Really?Not in their first few seasons. Dude you really needs to stop it.
And repeating these same stuff is called an agenda.
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Really?Not in their first few seasons. Dude you really needs to stop it.
And repeating these same stuff is called an agenda.
AgreedQBs who are foot happy and like to run don't last in today's NFL. I'm glad that Watson is athletic enough to squirm out of situations and make something happen, it's a rare gift. But, if you combine that with deliberately called QB running plays your starting QB will have a much shorter life span in the NFL.
How many yrs has BOB been calling the shots? Oh right, this yearO'Brian has won more games with Watson running his offense than any other QB he has had. And he has had a lot of them.
O'Brian sure as hell could not win with his offense with any of these guys.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Case Keenum
Brian Hoyer
T. J. Yates
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Tom Savage
And let's not forget the stellar running game his weekly game planning genius has brought to Houston.
Just look at all the great RBs we have had.
Alfred Blue
Jonathan Grimes
Kenny Hilliard
Akeem Hunt
Chris Polk
Tyler Ervin
D'Onta Foreman
Andre Ellington
Jordan Todman
Buddy Howell
Taiwan Jones
Only these 3 have even been decent.
Lamar Miller
Carlos Hyde
Duke Johnson
So to sum up:
In 5 years with 9 different QBs and 14 different RBs O'Brian's vaunted offensive system has won a grand total of 1 playoff game.
That 1 win came against a rookie QB starting his first game in the NFL.
So I hope that he has finally seen the light & realized his system has never won anything.
I won't hold my breath though.
What's funny is how much Deshaun has done and people still doubt him."I doubt he can consistently win regardless of the shape of the rest of this team"
What. The. ****.
Nonsensical comment. Watson has THRIVED with some of the worst offensive lines in NFL history, with a pathetic excuse for an offensive coordinator, with a pathetic excuse for a head coach and with questionable talent in the RB and TE department. Still he wins. Still he walks on water. Still he gets it done with ONE EYE.
And still his very own fans question his ability to be a leader of men and show the rest of the team HOW TO BE A WINNER!! Why? Pride.
Dude wins, and what gets brought up?? Why he couldnt hit a few open receivers during the course of a game. LOL
#JesuswithCleats!!!!
I BELIEVE!
Stockholm Syndrome.What's funny is how much Deshaun has done and people still doubt him.
Then OBrien has done so little (has he done anything?) yet people believe in him.
Nahhh SteelB said he was "jesuswithcleats" so he will ALWAYS be #JESUSwithCLEATS to me!!Shouldn't it be Jesus in cleats?
I mean, unless he's just walking out onto the field with a ball in one hand and a pair of Adidas in the other..
Like he just goes everywhere with a pair of cleats. At HEB pushing a kart while holding some cleats, at a restaurant with a menu and some cleats, at home watching TV snuggled up on the couch with a fresh pair..
One guy gets nitpicked to death, the other is given every excuse in the bookNahhh SteelB said he was "jesuswithcleats" so he will ALWAYS be #JESUSwithCLEATS to me!!
One guy gets nitpicked to death, the other is given every excuse in the book
Keke Coutee is in step 2
Keke Coutee is in step 2
I think that's step 3 for O'Brien. Just cutting or trading a guy for peanuts
how long before Herr O'Brien just cuts him for looking at him wrong? LOL
Or giving up substantially more valuable picks for other peoples trash and "projects". But who needs 1st or 3rd round picks anyways? Shoot STeelB says all you need is a couple of 4ths, a 5th and the late rounders and you're good to go to restock! Such an easy plan to follow and imitate its a wonder that not everyone around the league is doing it!I think that's step 3 for O'Brien. Just cutting or trading a guy for peanuts
I like how other teams dumped guys on us they were likely to cut (Mingo, Hyde, stills) and got substantial assets in return.Or giving up substantially more valuable picks for other peoples trash and "projects". But who needs 1st or 3rd round picks anyways? Shoot STeelB says all you need is a couple of 4ths, a 5th and the late rounders and you're good to go to restock! Such an easy plan to follow and imitate its a wonder that not everyone around the league is doing it!
We have savants and Prometheus society members among us my dude! Act accordingly!!
Dump me more guys like Hyde and Stills and keep on dumpingI like how other teams dumped guys on us they were likely to cut (Mingo, Hyde, stills) and got substantial assets in return.
Every GM out there knows OBrien is an idiot
Depends on what we give upDump me more guys like Hyde and Stills and keep on dumping
You're so full of it.Or giving up substantially more valuable picks for other peoples trash and "projects". But who needs 1st or 3rd round picks anyways? Shoot STeelB says all you need is a couple of 4ths, a 5th and the late rounders and you're good to go to restock! Such an easy plan to follow and imitate its a wonder that not everyone around the league is doing it!
We have savants and Prometheus society members among us my dude! Act accordingly!!
You're so full of it. I never said anything like this but if I did how would you know since you have me on ignore. Which after posts like this misleading one I'm glad to be a member of your ignore list. Hopefully you add more to the list so I can follow them, they must be sensible posters.Or giving up substantially more valuable picks for other peoples trash and "projects". But who needs 1st or 3rd round picks anyways? Shoot STeelB says all you need is a couple of 4ths, a 5th and the late rounders and you're good to go to restock! Such an easy plan to follow and imitate its a wonder that not everyone around the league is doing it!
We have savants and Prometheus society members among us my dude! Act accordingly!!
For once , we're in agreement …. even if we get there in different ways.Personally I think this conversation is premature. Is he a top 5 QB? He may be top 5 in some (many) stats, but so what?
Matt Stafford is a dam fine QB, but he hasn't lifted that team out of Mediocrity.
& I think that's the kind of QB we're looking for. Can Watson lift this team out of the funk we're in? Like Brady did for the couldn't win it all Patriots, Brees for the Aints, Peyton for the Colts.
I think he has all the tools. I doubt he can consistently win regardless the shape of the rest of this team, like those guys did. Like Favre did, like Roethlisberger did, like Marino did. Even Bledsoe.
Those guys in the league right now, Brady, Brees, Wilson, Rogers... five spot wide open.
Matthew Stafford. Phillip Rivers.And still his very own fans question his ability to be a leader of men and show the rest of the team HOW TO BE A WINNER!! Why? Pride.
Dude wins, and what gets brought up?? Why he couldnt hit a few open receivers during the course of a game. LOL
PFF has him at 8 FWIW. Im pretty sure they missed adding the whole "cant make progressions" argument, but Im sure it will be on the next rankings list.8. DESHAUN WATSON, HOUSTON TEXANS
The highlight-reel plays continue to add up for Watson, who ranks sixth in big-time throw percentage and second in rushing grade (88.0) among quarterbacks this season. Watson’s high-end play is among the best in the league, but he must avoid the disastrous games, as he’s posted four single-game grades of 40.5 or lower since entering the league in 2017. If he can cut down on his sack rate and turnover-worthy plays (13th highest this season), Watson has all of the skills to rank among the elite signal-callers in the NFL, but he’s still refining those elements of his game.
They're only assets if they turn out to be something. But when you consider that the success rate for draft picks in the NFL is only 53% & the average NFL career is only 3-4 years, i would say there's a decent possibility that those "assets" dont turn out to be much. & that 53% success rate..........that's for 1st rounders..Goes considerably lower for lower draft picks.I like how other teams dumped guys on us they were likely to cut (Mingo, Hyde, stills) and got substantial assets in return.
Every GM out there knows OBrien is an idiot
After a year and a half of (mostly) fading the Texans with Deshaun Watson, I have to say it’s nice to have a week where we can root for one of the league’s best young players. After being the highest-pressured quarterback in the NFL a season ago (44.7%), Watson pressure rate has fallen to the league’s 12th-highest rate this year (38.5%). And since Week 5, he’s been pressured just under 31% of the time (26th in the league). In the increasingly prevalent clean pockets, he’s generated the fourth-highest adjusted completion percentage in the league (85.1%) and will likely see higher returns on investment if his receivers’ drops (12 from clean pockets so far, fifth-most) regress to the mean as the season progresses.
Just like every other teams QB.Easy to see that how DW4 goes, so the Texans go
I also think that Deshaun Watson leads the league in missed progressions. Not a real stat or anything, but its what i've heard. Shrug.@IE_NFL: Deshaun Watson has completed 73.8% of his passes against the blitz this season, highest in NFL.
#WeAreTexans https://t.co/SHSvzOVTTn
@IE_NFL: Deshaun Watson has completed 73.8% of his passes against the blitz this season, highest in NFL.
#WeAreTexans https://t.co/SHSvzOVTTn
I also think that Deshaun Watson leads the league in missed progressions. Not a real stat or anything, but its what i've heard. Shrug.
@Corrosion if you have access to the coaches film share it. I’d love to be humbled and redirected. I share as much as I can with my subscriptions. I provide links to data or supplementary material. I don’t just blurt out my opinion as fact. I watch the film I do have access to and rewind the plays you guys say he missed over and over again and I don’t see the gross “one hash one read” QB he’s made out to be. No QB makes every read. NO QB MAKES EVERY READ. Some are more experienced to take the easy play and throw the haymaker later - Deshaun is trying to throw nothing but haymakers. He has overcome handicaps in the playbook and on the offensive line. He’s not perfect but in year 3 I’m a pig in mud with the kid.
#jesuswithcleats 4 MVP
I'm not in the Jesus In Cleats camp. However, I recognize we have a very talented young QB who will make his share of mistakes, but I also consider the play calling and scheme as a factor in some of his mistakes. I read the article below regarding Aaron Rodgers and how he regressed in the Green Bay offense. It sounds very similar to what we are seeing with Watson and O'Brien's offense. It makes you realize that even a franchise, future HoF QB like Rodgers who had over 10 years in an offense was making some of the same mistakes our 3rd year QB is making. Here are some of the quotes from the article. Does some of it sound familiar?If you rewind the plays we talk about him missing reads on and don't see the problem …. I don't know what to say.
Now , lets clear something up - I never said he was a one hash one read QB …. I said he misses an awful lot of reads. (I did say that pre-draft because that's exactly what he did in college - with much larger windows to throw into).
Part of that is on him and part of that is on OB and his stupid offense where the reads don't seem to flow naturally from one side to another.
You think he's Jesus In Cleats and seem to believe others think he's hot garbage. I'm not in either camp - I think he has all the tools but wonder what he is - What I see is a guy who's average in the pocket but fantastic when he gets off script.
I don't really know what to make of him as a "Quarterback" because I believe the offense is not well suited to him - I'd like to see him with another HC / OC before I handed him a 5 year 190m contract. He's got to be able to string together drives within the scope of the offense , not just make big plays when things break down.
OB aint helping matters and Cal aint helping himself by letting OB stick around. He's going to end up paying that $190m without knowing if he has a great Quarterback or a stat monster.
I checked your link. Still didn't see Rivers or Stafford winning anything of note.
He's far from hot garbage, he's a young player who needs toIf you rewind the plays we talk about him missing reads on and don't see the problem …. I don't know what to say.
Now , lets clear something up - I never said he was a one hash one read QB …. I said he misses an awful lot of reads. (I did say that pre-draft because that's exactly what he did in college - with much larger windows to throw into).
Part of that is on him and part of that is on OB and his stupid offense where the reads don't seem to flow naturally from one side to another.
You think he's Jesus In Cleats and seem to believe others think he's hot garbage. I'm not in either camp - I think he has all the tools but wonder what he is - What I see is a guy who's average in the pocket but fantastic when he gets off script.
I don't really know what to make of him as a "Quarterback" because I believe the offense is not well suited to him - I'd like to see him with another HC / OC before I handed him a 5 year 190m contract. He's got to be able to string together drives within the scope of the offense , not just make big plays when things break down.
OB aint helping matters and Cal aint helping himself by letting OB stick around. He's going to end up paying that $190m without knowing if he has a great Quarterback or a stat monster.
I dont expect any one piece to be perfect. Watson isnt, the line isnt, ob damn sure isnt.even though Watson is a great player.
This isn't about the HC , why does everything gotta be Watson vs BOB?I'd rather give a QB like Watson $35M+/yr than another red cent to a HC who can't win big with a QB like that..
I respect your opinion and everything you question should be. I dont have doubts though.I've got my doubts.
Unwad your panties, I didn't say anything about O'Brien.This isn't about the HC , why does everything gotta be Watson vs BOB?
It's about do you think Watson can improve on areas he's struggled with since college and can he avoid more ACL injuries given his style of play.
Even with a new HC I've got my doubts.
Hope you're right.Unwad your panties, I didn't say anything about O'Brien.
I implied that I believe DW is good enough to lead a team to a SB while I said that I believe a HC worth his paycheck should be able to pull the requisite coaching strings to do so with him.