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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

I'll have to watch the game again but I remember one run stop from Clowney and that's it. It's taken JJ 3 games to come back to form, hoping Clowney and Merci also kick off that rust here soon. Front 7 needs some energy.
 
Seegara said:
Trade Clowney now before everybody realizes that his 1st pick value is gone down the injury drain.
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Too fricking late for that. I think we are at the point that you are hurting the D with him on the field. Desire and heart makes a difference. Physical ability is not the whole story.
It will play out that we get nothing for him. I say that but the Pats or other strong team with a strong coach may take a chance because they may think they can get him to perform and they may be able to. BOB can't do it.
 
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gafftop said:
Too fricking late for that. I think we are at the point that you are hurting the D with him on the field. Desire and heart makes a difference. Physical ability is not the whole story.
It will play out that we get nothing for him. I say that but the Pats or other strong team with a strong coach may take a chance because they may think they can get him to perform and they may be able to. BOB can't do it.
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How about a third round and a 5th with both moving up one round based on some incentives? NE has two second rounders and I'd probably deal him straight for the last one.
 
badboy said:
How about a third round and a 5th with both moving up one round based on some incentives? NE has two second rounders and I'd probably deal him straight for the last one.
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If you can get that maybe but I don't think you will ever get over on NE. What will we get as compensatory? I do think Clown will be better with his 2nd team. He will finally have a chip on his shoulder.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Spurrier would have known Clowney pretty well. Don't know what to make of that video or the real details of that instance, but my explanation of "bruised ribs" in the Injury Thread shows how what may sound like a simple injury can be a very excruciating one that can last a long time (depending by what defines "bruised rib").
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yeah that video made the rounds during draft time that year and gave a certain Bortles fan boy some fodder
 
If you're familiar with Clowney's college career you would understand Spurrier's level of frustration which built up after many instances, not just this one. I think this was a rare instance when a head coach had finally had enough and the truth spilled out. Clowney must have had his feelings hurt because Spurrier actually came out later and kissed up. Clowney's knee injury was very serious... the "real" deal, but he has had so many "other" injuries... well you saw what his college coach thought. In any event I hope the Texans don't screw up again and give him 1.1 pay for production more liken to a much lower draft pick.

But hey, it's the Texans they extended OB 4 years, Clowney may end up the smartest business man in NFL history with full time pay for part time work and a career extended by not playing unless "he wants to".
 
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If you can get that maybe but I don't think you will ever get over on NE. What will we get as compensatory? I do think Clown will be better with his 2nd team. He will finally have a chip on his shoulder.
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based on my eval Texans probably will not have any comps. Henderson and Kele are a wash but losing Clowney would be balanced by getting Mathieu and/or Fulton.
 
badboy said:
based on my eval Texans probably will not have any comps. Henderson and Kele are a wash but losing Clowney would be balanced by getting Mathieu and/or Fulton.
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Different year. Clowney didn't leave as a FA this offseason. But I don't expect any comps for next offseason. Figure we will buy more.
 
Cursed

From the owner on down throughout the franchise and including almost damn near every player.

I've seen the word 'snake bit' on this site a few times but for the love of... je ne sais quoi, my brethren and fans.?!

Will the worm ever turn?
 
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How about a third round and a 5th with both moving up one round based on some incentives? NE has two second rounders and I'd probably deal him straight for the last one.
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Yea if we could score a single second round pick for Clowney I'd jump on that deal real quick. Maybe he'll have a better game this Sunday to elevate his market value and attract some interest.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea if we could score a single second round pick for Clowney I'd jump on that deal real quick. Maybe he'll have a better game this Sunday to elevate his market value and attract some interest.
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Did you hear about the John McClain interview today with Clowney? 610 radio was reviewing it with Clowney saying he was 100 % "nothing wrong with me" during TC and preseason although he did not ask coaches why he was not with his teammates on field. He said "I'm a player". He said he is ready to go Sunday. Talk later was discussing vets coming back from injuries getting time in preseason games to 'knock off rust'.
 
badboy said:
Did you hear about the John McClain interview today with Clowney? 610 radio was reviewing it with Clowney saying he was 100 % "nothing wrong with me" during TC and preseason although he did not ask coaches why he was not with his teammates on field. He said "I'm a player". He said he is ready to go Sunday. Talk later was discussing vets coming back from injuries getting time in preseason games to 'knock off rust'.
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Isn't it obvious, with his injury record why he wasn't playing. It also seems that if he really wanted to play he could have said something. Good to hear he's playing Sunday.
 
ColeThornton said:
Isn't it obvious, with his injury record why he wasn't playing. It also seems that if he really wanted to play he could have said something. Good to hear he's playing Sunday.
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there has been talk that Clowney was holding out for new extension. This info that he was not being allowed to "work off rust" in preseason games could add fuel to that. Bolded is what the radio guys were discussing. Little I got today from 610 was OB responded that team was handling Clowney's return from injury as team would with any other. Radio guys today said "Clowney threw coach under bus". It will be interesting to see if he improves with time in game as he has not looked very good so far. Watt at least had good game last week.
 
badboy said:
there has been talk that Clowney was holding out for new extension. This info that he was not being allowed to "work off rust" in preseason games could add fuel to that. Bolded is what the radio guys were discussing. Little I got today from 610 was OB responded that team was handling Clowney's return from injury as team would with any other. Radio guys today said "Clowney threw coach under bus". It will be interesting to see if he improves with time in game as he has not looked very good so far. Watt at least had good game last week.
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Watt also had more time/reps to work that rust off.

Is it throwing someone under the bus when he’s telling the truth? BOb has tried to recreated Patriots South with the no leaks but that doesn’t work when you’re losing.
 
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there has been talk that Clowney was holding out for new extension. This info that he was not being allowed to "work off rust" in preseason games could add fuel to that. Bolded is what the radio guys were discussing. Little I got today from 610 was OB responded that team was handling Clowney's return from injury as team would with any other. Radio guys today said "Clowney threw coach under bus". It will be interesting to see if he improves with time in game as he has not looked very good so far. Watt at least had good game last week.
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Watt looked great! If having Clowney out there helps Watt, then that in and of itself is a good reason to have him out there. Unfortunately, Clowney throwing the coach under the bus is a terrible look especially the week after he was fined for one of the stupidest penalties in team history. Well, I posted the video of his college coaches' frustration with him, maybe it's O'Brien's turn.
 
No one....yes, I'm saying no one on our front 7 has proven anything thus far. We have so far gone against one of the sorriest and weakest parade of Olines in the League. This Sunday, we will go against another sickly Oline. I hate to think what will happen when we come against a top 10 OLine. I'll pray that the purported "rust" will be shed.........without the residual effects of injuries and surgeries left as the only rational explanation for lack luster performance.
 
I may be naive, but I don't think Clowney is trying to be a dog/ineffective, as it can only hurt his next contract.
I would think he'd want to prove that his knee (and overall health) isn't a problem if he wants any chance of a long-term deal.

OTOH - if I'm the Texans, I would have been trying to trade him for Khalil Mack (when he was still a Raider), or maybe now trying to trade him for Le'Veon Bell.
I can't think of any young disgruntled Offensive Tackles, but that would be an even better target.
 
badboy said:
Did you hear about the John McClain interview today with Clowney? 610 radio was reviewing it with Clowney saying he was 100 % "nothing wrong with me" during TC and preseason although he did not ask coaches why he was not with his teammates on field. He said "I'm a player". He said he is ready to go Sunday. Talk later was discussing vets coming back from injuries getting time in preseason games to 'knock off rust'.
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The whole situation with Clowney this entire calendar year has been nothing but a big mystery and cries out for transparency.
 
A possibility is Clowney wants to use his 2017 play to encourage other teams to come forth in a trade during this season or in the off season with an acceptable contract for the free agent. If he plays well and remains healthy it would encourage Houston to extend; if he is injured Texans probably will not want him and others might but would be able to offer less satisfactory deal. IMO I think the best offer [if any] would be done during the season:
1. 2019 draft offers several very good DEs and OLBs if a team cannot get him now. Middle of pack teams may make great offer to have CLowney take them deep or save a coach's job.

2. Team offering deal now controls him as does Houston for this season and 2 tags.

My thought next two games Clowney has great not just good games or he becomes trade bait. I'm not saying give him away but he should be worth what we got for D. Brown a third 2019 draft and a second 2020. A 30 + LT got three year extension with $16 million guaranteed. Talk about 25 YOA Clowney has had him at about that for annual guarantee for couple seasons. He might be worth even more.
 
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IDEXAN said:
The whole situation with Clowney this entire calendar year has been nothing but a big mystery and cries out for transparency.
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It's pretty clear to me. Clowney had ANOTHER knee surgery and the team was being very cautious with his return. The team really surprised me by showing the proper restraint by not signing him to a mega $$$ extension. His play so fay has me thinking I'd let him walk as an UFA. If he turns it up and doesn't need post season surgeries on anything, I'm just as comfortable tagging him. IMO, the Texans are just in hide and watch mode and will have a decision to make in 2019. If anyone offers me a 2019 2nd rounder for him in 2018, he's gone.
 
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Could have just drafted Khalil Mack and given him the fat contract he deserves and avoided all this Clowney bullshit.

We'll end up with our dicks in hand, as per usual.
 
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TheMatrix31 said:
Not hindsight when that was my opinion all along.
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It was a lot of peoples opinion back in '14... but if it would have been Mack that tore up his knee on the pallet turf it would turn out as Clowney's has. If Clowney doesn't turn it around by the break, I'd take a '19 3rd for him. If we would have drafted Donald has some also wanted or Matthews or Bortles that some wanted and injuries would have happened to them then we would have the same hindsight
 
badboy said:
A possibility is Clowney wants to use his 2017 play to encourage other teams to come forth in a trade during this season or in the off season with an acceptable contract for the free agent. If he plays well and remains healthy it would encourage Houston to extend; if he is injured Texans probably will not want him and others might but would be able to offer less satisfactory deal. IMO I think the best offer [if any] would be done during the season:
1. 2019 draft offers several very good DEs and OLBs if a team cannot get him now. Middle of pack teams may make great offer to have CLowney take them deep or save a coach's job.

2. Team offering deal now controls him as does Houston for this season and 2 tags.

My thought next two games Clowney has great not just good games or he becomes trade bait. I'm not saying give him away but he should be worth what we got for D. Brown a third 2019 draft and a second 2020. A 30 + LT got three year extension with $16 million guaranteed. Talk about 25 YOA Clowney has had him at about that for annual guarantee for couple seasons. He might be worth even more.
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This post doesn't make sense to me. Clowney is a walking time bomb, injury-wise and the Seahawks were fools to give DB that kind of $$.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I wanted Clowney, looking back Mack or Matthews should've been the pick.

Give me Matthews to protect Watson.

See, Shish I can admit when I miss.
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I wanted Watkins or Matthews. Donald if we traded down. But Clowney was the best choice at the time, except for those that wanted to trade down for a pass rusher
 
JB said:
I wanted Watkins or Matthews. Donald if we traded down. But Clowney was the best choice at the time, except for those that wanted to trade down for a pass rusher
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I wanted Clowney, Matthews was my 2nd choice.

Looking back on the pick, I should've looked at the Matthews gene pool and their ability to stay healthy for decades at a time. Plus it would've been really cool to have Bruce's son play for a Houston based team.
 
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DocBar said:
Clowney is no DB.
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He doesn't have to be. He just has to be the guy a team thinks can get it to SB. LT are important but so are QB disruptors. Clowney is 25 DB 33. 2017 Clowney had 9 sacks 20 QB hits and 21 tackles for loss. 2 forced fumble and 2 pass defended in 2017 and very similar stats in 2016 playing in 30 of those 32 games. If you do not see value in that... Texans were willing to risk his health this year when they could have cut him putting $12 million into cap space. As I've stated my move barring an outstanding offer and him showing '16 and '17 play this season is to tag him.
 
I was a Clowney #1 fan. Still not entirely disappointed; he’s had his moments. Injuries are the big what if but I think he still has some time left to prove his value. As far a contracts, I’d tag him if I was the FO. If I was Clowney I’d probably be trying to get away from this franchise. Someone is going to pay him good money. Oft injured disrupters still get paid in this league.
 
PapaL said:
I was a Clowney #1 fan. Still not entirely disappointed; he’s had his moments. Injuries are the big what if but I think he still has some time left to prove his value. As far a contracts, I’d tag him if I was the FO. If I was Clowney I’d probably be trying to get away from this franchise. Someone is going to pay him good money. Oft injured disruptors still get paid in this league.
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Just a little disagreement PapaL, IMO Clowney should remain here even taking somewhat less $ looking at whom he plays with. If the nuclear of this defense remains healthy including JJ, Clowney can be a huge part and still not have overwhelming stats. Texans should offer a Brinks truck to Mathieu and KJ is playing very well for a 30 YOA and if that continues I could see him getting an extension with another clever Chris Owen contract. A rotation of these two with Justin Reid would allow Andre Hal time to get himself into football shape. This would be easier for a safety than Quessenberry had as OL. McNair had made some early statement about wanting to get deal done before season started and while I disagreed with that it should show Clowney McNair wants him.
 
badboy said:
He doesn't have to be. He just has to be the guy a team thinks can get it to SB. LT are important but so are QB disruptors. Clowney is 25 DB 33. 2017 Clowney had 9 sacks 20 QB hits and 21 tackles for loss. 2 forced fumble and 2 pass defended in 2017 and very similar stats in 2016 playing in 30 of those 32 games. If you do not see value in that... Texans were willing to risk his health this year when they could have cut him putting $12 million into cap space. As I've stated my move barring an outstanding offer and him showing '16 and '17 play this season is to tag him.
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Trading Clowney after 2017 was the Texans best shot at getting maximum value for Clowney. I would love to know if any teams asked about his availability and if they made any offers. His play so far, in 2018, leaves a lot to be desired and he's a ticking injury time bomb. Going into the season, I was on the "tag him for two years or trade him" bandwagon. Now I'm thinking more along the lines of using the transition tag or just letting him walk, barring a trade.
 
beerlover said:
For some reason, as it pertains to this thread, O'Brian doesn't feel O-Line level of talent is as subpar to rest of the league as some of us, well most of us here do.
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Hmm...same way it seems he's felt about QBs the last 4 years. Imagine that.
 
Clowney has taken over this game in the first quarter!! I don't understand people who play down how good he is when healthy. He's been our best player on D over the last 3 years. Just that projected health going forward that's a worry.
 
infantrycak said:
There's really not much point to thr transition tag. It's $12.9 instead of $14.9.
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Well, I'd actually dispute that.
Say you don't want to commit to him long term due to health concern, maybe you can say I'm happy tagging him but not unhappy trading him. You bait that trade by transition tagging him, with a set high value for compensation.

I think it does make sense.
 
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