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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Very disappointing performance yesterday by JD especially since he was going agasnt an offensie tackle who most thought he would dominate.
Maybe it was just conditioning because as we know he had really virtually no preseason activity this year.
So anyway looks like Clowney has a ways to go before GM Gaine feels any need to sit down with his agent.
 
I know Reid looks really good, but right now I wish they had traded the pick (Reid) for the Pats LT Trent Brown. What a massive human being who has pretty good feet for a 350Lbs man.

Clowney looked like an UDFA out there Sunday.
 
steelbtexan said:
I know Reid looks really good, but right now I wish they had traded the pick (Reid) for the Pats LT Trent Brown. What a massive human being who has pretty good feet for a 350Lbs man.

Clowney looked like an UDFA out there Sunday.
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That's true. Brown handled Clowney Sunday and the Pats got the 25 year old LT with their 3rd round pick (and also got back a 5th round pick from the 49ers).
Brown played RT for the 49ers where Gaine had already made the deal for Sentreel to play RT.
I doubt that anybody realized that Brown could start at LT and play as well as he did so Belichick might have lucked out there but his team did suffer a misfortune when first round pick Wynn, destined to play LT, had a season ending knee injury in preseason.
It will be interesting to see how Brown does against that front of the Jags this Sunday.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's true. Brown handled Clowney Sunday and the Pats got the 25 year old LT with their 3rd round pick (and also got back a 5th round pick from the 49ers).
Brown played RT for the 49ers where Gaine had already made the deal for Sentreel to play RT.
I doubt that anybody realized that Brown could start at LT and play as well as he did so Belichick might have lucked out there but his team did suffer a misfortune when first round pick Wynn, destined to play LT, had a season ending knee injury in preseason.
It will be interesting to see how Brown does against that front of the Jags this Sunday.
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Or maybe Brown lucked out by facing Clowney after he spent 90% of the offseason and preseason rehabbing a "minor" procedure on his knee. I'm watching the game right now and the Texans pass rush was mostly negated by Brady running quick hitting plays instead of the long developing ones Watson was running that made the Pats pass rush look great. What I'm seeing in rewatching the game is poor play calling than poor play.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's true. Brown handled Clowney Sunday and the Pats got the 25 year old LT with their 3rd round pick (and also got back a 5th round pick from the 49ers).
Brown played RT for the 49ers where Gaine had already made the deal for Sentreel to play RT.
I doubt that anybody realized that Brown could start at LT and play as well as he did so Belichick might have lucked out there but his team did suffer a misfortune when first round pick Wynn, destined to play LT, had a season ending knee injury in preseason.
It will be interesting to see how Brown does against that front of the Jags this Sunday.
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Belichick sure seems to get lucky alot on retread guys. Corey Dillon comes to mind.

Brown was starting at LT before Wynn got hurt.
 
steelbtexan said:
I know Reid looks really good, but right now I wish they had traded the pick (Reid) for the Pats LT Trent Brown. What a massive human being who has pretty good feet for a 350Lbs man.

Clowney looked like an UDFA out there Sunday.
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For some reason, as it pertains to this thread, O'Brian doesn't feel O-Line level of talent is as subpar to rest of the league as some of us, well most of us here do. Instead O'Brian choose to upgrade another weak link, the TE position. Spending two picks Jordan Akins, end of 3rd and Jordan Thomas mid 6th. To be fair he did slot in Rankins ahead of Akins in the 3rd and for the most part, like what I see. But here is something I noticed, wondering if anybody else noticed or were as irked as me about it. O'Brian play called Watson to target Griffith five times at least and he had zero receptions. He looked slow, lethargic and little to no athletic ability to make a play on any of them. Meanwhile Akins looked pretty good with his two receptions on two targets and even Thomas one reception.

Regarding Clowney, probably wont get much for him, certainly not worth a big pay day here so let him just play out his contract and become a free agent, get a compensatory 3rd. pick in exchange for what amounts to 5 year rental & #1 overall pick in 2014.
 
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beerlover said:
For some reason, as it pertains to this thread, O'Brian doesn't feel O-Line level of talent is as subpar to rest of the league as some of us, well most of us here do. Instead O'Brian choose to upgrade another weak link, the TE position. Spending two picks Jordan Akins, end of 3rd and Jordan Thomas mid 6th. To be fair he did slot in Rankins ahead of Akins in the 3rd and for the most part, like what I see. But here is something I noticed, wondering if anybody else noticed or were as irked as me about it. O'Brian play called Watson to target Griffith five times at least and he had zero receptions. He looked slow, lethargic and little to no athletic ability to make a play on any of them. Meanwhile Akins looked pretty good with his two receptions on two targets and even Thomas one reception.

Regarding Clowney, probably wont get much for him, certainly not worth a big pay day here so let him just play out his contract and become a free agent, get a supplemental 2nd rd. pick in exchange.
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I have to go back and look at the other 3 targets of Griffin, the first over throw by Watson I'm putting on Griffin. He had his guy beat, he should have kept going vertical instead of flattening his route off. The 2nd on in the end zone was a missed throw by Watson. Griffin ran a good route and Watson delivered the ball late, and behind
 
beerlover said:
For some reason, as it pertains to this thread, O'Brian doesn't feel O-Line level of talent is as subpar to rest of the league as some of us, well most of us here do. Instead O'Brian choose to upgrade another weak link, the TE position. Spending two picks Jordan Akins, end of 3rd and Jordan Thomas mid 6th. To be fair he did slot in Rankins ahead of Akins in the 3rd and for the most part, like what I see. But here is something I noticed, wondering if anybody else noticed or were as irked as me about it. O'Brian play called Watson to target Griffith five times at least and he had zero receptions. He looked slow, lethargic and little to no athletic ability to make a play on any of them. Meanwhile Akins looked pretty good with his two receptions on two targets and even Thomas one reception.

Regarding Clowney, probably wont get much for him, certainly not worth a big pay day here so let him just play out his contract and become a free agent, get a supplemental 2nd rd. pick in exchange.
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When did supplemental picks become 2nd rounders? I thought end of the 3rd round was earliest for supplemental picks. I would happily take a 2nd rounder for Clowney in a trade.
 
DocBar said:
When did supplemental picks become 2nd rounders? I thought end of the 3rd round was earliest for supplemental picks. I would happily take a 2nd rounder for Clowney in a trade.
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My bad I meant compensatory picks and begins end of 3rd rd. Lol. That’s what Texans should receive in return if Clowney plays out his contract unless as you suggest Gaine is able to trade him for a second round pick.
 
How the f&*k do you make this guy the 1.1 This is what he is. Already resting for his next contract.

Following much off-season hype, Clowney began his junior season as a frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy.[34] In the season-opener against North Carolina, weakened by gastroenteritis, Clowney appeared “tired” and only registered three tackles.[35][36] After a slow start into the season, while being plagued by minor injuries, Clowney's Heisman chances began to fade.[37] His decision to sit out the Kentucky game with a muscle strain near his rib area caused media controversy.[38] In a much anticipated rematch with Tennessee offensive tackle Antonio Richardson at Neyland Stadium, Clowney recorded a season-high five tackles, including four solo, in an overall performance that was widely praised.[39] He sat out another game, against Coastal Carolina, ailing with bone spurs in his right foot on November 23.[40]

Clowney finished his junior season with 35 tackles, 10.5 for a loss of yardage, and three quarterback sacks—considerably lower in each category compared to his sophomore year.[41] Nonetheless, he was again a first-team All-Southeastern Conference (SEC) selection.[42] However, after receiving unanimous All-American honors in 2012, Clowney was only selected to one 2013 All-America team—by the American Football Coaches Association.[43]

After South Carolina's 34–24 win over Wisconsin in the 2014 Capital One Bowl, in which Clowney had five tackles including one for a loss, he announced that he was going to forego his senior year and enter the NFL Draft.[44]
 
Well losing Henderson eliminates one of our FA pickups but with all we've signed not sure one would not cancel losing Clowney. IIRC we have to lose more (of equal value) than we signed. For example Honey Badger would cancel out losing CLowney in free agency. Kelemete, Fulton, Colvin and perhaps at some point Kayvon Webster may play into that. I wouldn't count on any Comp selections.

From @Matt Karoly
Assuming he hits the market, I wonder how much Jadeveon Clowney's injury history will lower his value in free agency this offseason and if that will allow a team like the #Falcons to be in play for his services, perhaps on a one-year rental. He turns 26 in February.
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posted 6:17 Sept 16th. Most reply comments were Texans would not allow him to hit market. If they are not shopping Clowney they are fools.
 
Well losing Henderson eliminates one of our FA pickups but with all we've signed not sure one would not cancel losing Clowney. IIRC we have to lose more (of equal value) than we signed. For example Honey Badger would cancel out losing CLowney in free agency. Kelemete, Fulton, Colvin and perhaps at some point Kayvon Webster may play into that. I wouldn't count on any Comp selections.

From @Matt Karoly
Assuming he hits the market, I wonder how much Jadeveon Clowney's injury history will lower his value in free agency this offseason and if that will allow a team like the #Falcons to be in play for his services, perhaps on a one-year rental. He turns 26 in February.
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posted 6:17 Sept 16th. Most reply comments were Texans would not allow him to hit market. If they are not shopping Clowney they are fools.

Edit computer glitch had last sentence of another post in this one.
 
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badboy said:
Well losing Henderson eliminates one of our FA pickups but with all we've signed not sure one would not cancel losing Clowney. IIRC we have to lose more (of equal value) than we signed. For example Honey Badger would cancel out losing CLowney in free agency. Kelemete, Fulton, Colvin and perhaps at some point Kayvon Webster may play into that. I wouldn't count on any Comp selections.

From @Matt Karoly posted 6:17 Sept 16th. Most reply comments were Texans would not allow him to hit market. If they are not shopping Clowney they are fools. You are only two tackles behind you know whom....
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get your point
 
radio talk 610 yesterday heavy on what to do with Clowney. He didn't help himself with penalty for his taunting.
 
badboy said:
radio talk 610 yesterday heavy on what to do with Clowney. He didn't help himself with penalty for his taunting.
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What was the consensus on the show? I mean if trading him is the end result what specific players/teams were discussed?
 
Uncle Rico said:
What was the consensus on the show? I mean if trading him is the end result what specific players/teams were discussed?
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Talk was not giving extension, tag him if he has good season. Not much about trade and nothing about other teams. Another resource I use said Falcons and Patriots could use Clowney but nothing about his value or what he could bring. Patriots have two first round picks and should be willing to trade lowest one to get a pass rusher.
 
badboy said:
Talk was not giving extension, tag him if he has good season. Not much about trade and nothing about other teams. Another resource I use said Falcons and Patriots could use Clowney but nothing about his value or what he could bring. Patriots have two first round picks and should be willing to trade lowest one to get a pass rusher.
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Clowney though has certainly not had much success as a pass rusher.........moreso as a run disruptor.
 
Clowney may not want to make a big chance this season since his contract year is coming up. Could be a similar stunt he pulled in South Carolina when he sat out quite a bit of the 2013 season to avoid potential injury before the draft.

I would call the Steelers and see if there would be any interest on their part in swapping Clowney for Bell. Both guys will be FA's next season and both are looking for big paydays. Bell's request is far more viable than Clowney's based on actual results. Bell will not be re-signed and I doubt the Steelers franchise tag him. Clowney's asking price will be far too high based on his limited playing time and I doubt the Texans franchise tag him based on this season's results and the cost of tagging him. I think the problem with Clowney and his agent.....they're still banking on his perceived upside with a solid 2016 and decent 2017 as enough to get GM's scrambling to sign him.

Preferably, I'd try to find a trade partner for Clowney and see what pick(s) I could get in return. There's eventually going to be a playoff team or one teetering on the edge that would entertain having Clowney for the rest of this season.
 
Somebody will give him big money would be my guess - as much as we bag on our GM's there are quite a few that make major gaff's every year. If we don't sign/tag him somebody will throw a Brinks truck at him, probably not Mack money but it will be a lot.

Not offering an opinion either way on what the Texans should do (have grown very meh of Clowney) just stating it's not just the Texans who give out bad contracts (if that is your perception).
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Clowney may not want to make a big chance this season since his contract year is coming up. Could be a similar stunt he pulled in South Carolina when he sat out quite a bit of the 2013 season to avoid potential injury before the draft.

I would call the Steelers and see if there would be any interest on their part in swapping Clowney for Bell. Both guys will be FA's next season and both are looking for big paydays. Bell's request is far more viable than Clowney's based on actual results. Bell will not be re-signed and I doubt the Steelers franchise tag him. Clowney's asking price will be far too high based on his limited playing time and I doubt the Texans franchise tag him based on this season's results and the cost of tagging him. I think the problem with Clowney and his agent.....they're still banking on his perceived upside with a solid 2016 and decent 2017 as enough to get GM's scrambling to sign him.

Preferably, I'd try to find a trade partner for Clowney and see what pick(s) I could get in return. There's eventually going to be a playoff team or one teetering on the edge that would entertain having Clowney for the rest of this season.
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In light of Clowney's history past and present, whichever team(s) entertain(s) a big trade or payday for Clowney deserves to get Clowney. The contrast between monies (financial risks) involved today in#1 picks vs megabucks thrown around for 2nd contracts is oceans apart. Clowney has done a better job of hiding and publicly minimizing his injuries than faking them. Seeing that the Texans did not give him an extension, if teams were so very enamoured with Clowney and his potential, you would have heard a rumor or two of at least some interest and/or "feelers." :cricket:
 
badboy said:
9.5 sacks in 2017 while not great is still pretty good.
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The next highest sack total by a Texan was by McKinney with 3.0. Now CnnnD is telling us that neither Clowney nor Watt will be what they once were.
I feel soooo much better now.
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ObsiWan said:
The next highest sack total by a Texan was by McKinney with 3.0. Now CnnnD is telling us that neither Clowney nor Watt will be what they once were.
I feel soooo much better now.
:sarcasm:
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Watt and JDC have been battling injuries ... what is McKinney's excuse for sucking ass so far?
 
IDEXAN said:
You folks who continue to put that bust label on Clowney are badly mistaken, but I won't deny that as the #1 overall in 2014 Draft that he's fallen somewhat short of what we hoped for but that is not at all a bust.
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I do consider it a bust for the Texans brain trust. Clowney has not changed at all from college. Just my opinion.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Clowney may not want to make a big chance this season since his contract year is coming up. Could be a similar stunt he pulled in South Carolina when he sat out quite a bit of the 2013 season to avoid potential injury before the draft.

I would call the Steelers and see if there would be any interest on their part in swapping Clowney for Bell. Both guys will be FA's next season and both are looking for big paydays. Bell's request is far more viable than Clowney's based on actual results. Bell will not be re-signed and I doubt the Steelers franchise tag him. Clowney's asking price will be far too high based on his limited playing time and I doubt the Texans franchise tag him based on this season's results and the cost of tagging him. I think the problem with Clowney and his agent.....they're still banking on his perceived upside with a solid 2016 and decent 2017 as enough to get GM's scrambling to sign him.

Preferably, I'd try to find a trade partner for Clowney and see what pick(s) I could get in return. There's eventually going to be a playoff team or one teetering on the edge that would entertain having Clowney for the rest of this season.
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If he has the value you indicate and I hope he does, one or all should be pounding on Gaines door with offers. If so, seemingly Gaines is firmly in control either knowing he can get better offer now or as season progresses; or the interest solidifies Gaines' desire to hold onto Clowney. Texans continue to be in a strong position. IMO, it would be better for him to be on field increasing his dollar value unless he does not want to play here any longer. I've heard no evidence of that.
 
badboy said:
If he has the value you indicate and I hope he does, one or all should be pounding on Gaines door with offers. If so, seemingly Gaines is firmly in control either knowing he can get better offer now or as season progresses; or the interest solidifies Gaines' desire to hold onto Clowney. Texans continue to be in a strong position. IMO, it would be better for him to be on field increasing his dollar value unless he does not want to play here any longer. I've heard no evidence of that.
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Gaine hasn't made it known to anyone that Clowney is available for the right price. My post was pure speculation as to what I would do if I were in Gaine's shoes.
 
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