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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

steelbtexan said:
Carr was a McNair pick.

Just as Clowney was.

I also think McNair signed off on Watson.
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Think your right about McNair pushed for Carr, even though Capers wanted Peppers. Maybe reason why Clowney is here cause that’s who Romeo wanted, so Bob made adjustment to trust football people. As Watson was Rick Smith choice, nice parting gift.
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JB said:
Texans have not splurged big in FA (other than Os) since JJO. That year they went and got the best nor named Asomuadi (sp?)

Thankfully they passed on that guy
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So.... paying top dollar isn't all that it's cracked up to be?
 
texans take care of healthy plus players. Mckinney is available, boom extended. Mercilus was, etc I think teams do need to be careful with injury history and top contracts for non QBs. Aint my money, if they can pay Clowney before DW4 needs his and have some incentive laden, go for it. Rooting for him tomorrow, need stout run D
 
Uncle Rico said:
Nobody is above reproach on here Doc has made mistakes in his profession and if he says otherwise then I'll call him a liar. Its part of being a human. So because Doc has his PHD and is well standing contributor here and has based his opinion on very sound medical 'facts' and probabilities does that mean that Doc will be 100% right?

Everyone keeps talking about JDC's knee as if its on a countdown and all I see is an All Pro out there being a bonafide disruptor. What does how much money Clowney has made in his current deal have to do with the current market? First level thinking has been a detriment to this franchise and many of its fans for a long time. Indifference has taken over, and its sad that guys here are trying to look out for Uncle Bobs money as if the team has any idea on how to spend it properly to begin with.

Take care of your guys, it will send a good message to the rest of the league and will help reestablish positive sentiments about free agents;think about it; all that money last year and no high profile free agent wanted to come play for the Texans, why is that? Obviously its not only about the money when players are choosing whether to play here or not, and that starts with a good culture.

Most sensical thing to do would be trade the guy to a team that values him more and move on, but then you have the psycho's who would rather the guy sit out as a malcontent then to reward him or cut the strings. PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS.
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*C nnnD is a Doctor of Medicine not a PHD.
*He has never claimed to be 100% correct and has repeatedly stated he preferred to be wrong on Clowney.
*Clowney as most other similarly injured football players is on a count down. It's just a medical fact; how long can he continue is the throw of the dice question.
* https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/jadeveon-clowney/6932 just over 50 % chance of injury doesn't call for Brink's truck to back up.
* current market value IIRC is based on stats not on health.
* I am not concerned about Uncle Bob's money but I'm very concerned on how cap $ is spent. Texans have done very well since Chris Olsen got us out of cap hell.
* Texans have taken care of their players. That's just a silly comment.
* Since game one I have seen nothing that Clowney is malcontent. He's playing like he wants a new deal as he should.
* I am very passionate fan during game and try to be dispassionate with things like contracts. Earn it and get it.
 
Clowney is a bust as a 1.1.. That said unless you are a franchise qb a 1.1 should almost always be traded. To get the 1.1 you sucked the year before so you need help in multiple areas. Picking JD with 1.1 is what a fanboy would do. One great hit and fanboy starts drooling. His past was suspect in many areas. I wish we knew the truth on who wanted Clowney. My feeling is it was McNair. Rick was a politician puppet that would go along.

Also any team with any sense would not give up much for the Clown.
Thank goodness this is the NFL.
I also think with a chip on his shoulder the Clown will play better at his new team if health stays the same.
Texans I don't think get anything but what they have. Notice how Watt and Clowney never seem to be team mates . I think because Watt has the same feelings I have about Clowney. Again just my thoughts
 
gafftop said:
Clowney is a bust as a 1.1.. That said unless you are a franchise qb a 1.1 should almost always be traded. To get the 1.1 you sucked the year before so you need help in multiple areas. Picking JD with 1.1 is what a fanboy would do. One great hit and fanboy starts drooling. His past was suspect in many areas. I wish we knew the truth on who wanted Clowney. My feeling is it was McNair. Rick was a politician puppet that would go along.
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But McNair is a hands off owner.
 
gafftop said:
Clowney is a bust as a 1.1.. That said unless you are a franchise qb a 1.1 should almost always be traded. To get the 1.1 you sucked the year before so you need help in multiple areas. Picking JD with 1.1 is what a fanboy would do. One great hit and fanboy starts drooling. His past was suspect in many areas. I wish we knew the truth on who wanted Clowney. My feeling is it was McNair. Rick was a politician puppet that would go along.

Also any team with any sense would not give up much for the Clown.
Thank goodness this is the NFL.
I also think with a chip on his shoulder the Clown will play better at his new team if health stays the same.
Texans I don't think get anything but what they have. Notice how Watt and Clowney never seem to be team mates . I think because Watt has the same feelings I have about Clowney. Again just my thoughts
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Yeah drafting an athlete and not a football player worked out well the top pick. Dont look at the list of guys drafted after him. Dont look at our second round pick and guys drafted after him. That draft could have changed our future
 
gafftop said:
Clowney is a bust as a 1.1.. That said unless you are a franchise qb a 1.1 should almost always be traded. To get the 1.1 you sucked the year before so you need help in multiple areas. Picking JD with 1.1 is what a fanboy would do. One great hit and fanboy starts drooling. His past was suspect in many areas. I wish we knew the truth on who wanted Clowney. My feeling is it was McNair. Rick was a politician puppet that would go along.

Also any team with any sense would not give up much for the Clown.
Thank goodness this is the NFL.
I also think with a chip on his shoulder the Clown will play better at his new team if health stays the same.
Texans I don't think get anything but what they have. Notice how Watt and Clowney never seem to be team mates . I think because Watt has the same feelings I have about Clowney. Again just my thoughts
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Clowney is not a bust. Mack may have had the better career and outlook in the future, but are you going to say you draft Mack out of Buffalo over Clowney at 1.1? That's ballsy. Mario Williams was a bust. David Carr was a self-induced bust. Clowney has been bad luck.
 
DocBar said:
Clowney is not a bust. Mack may have had the better career and outlook in the future, but are you going to say you draft Mack out of Buffalo over Clowney at 1.1? That's ballsy. Mario Williams was a bust. David Carr was a self-induced bust. Clowney has been bad luck.
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No I trade the pick. By bad luck if you mean health, he had those type issues in college. Bad decision by upper management. I think mario and JD are very similiar.
 
DocBar said:
Clowney is not a bust. Mack may have had the better career and outlook in the future, but are you going to say you draft Mack out of Buffalo over Clowney at 1.1? That's ballsy. Mario Williams was a bust. David Carr was a self-induced bust. Clowney has been bad luck.
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I would have. And I'm on record saying so repeatedly.

Mario Williams wasn't really a bust. And if he was a bust, then Reggie Bush's superhumaninsane-level hype definitely made him a bust too.
 
gafftop said:
No I trade the pick. By bad luck if you mean health, he had those type issues in college. Bad decision by upper management. I think mario and JD are very similiar.
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I was for trading the pick also. It takes two to tango. Obviously Smith valued the pick more than the rest of the league. I can't fault him for that.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I would have. And I'm on record saying so repeatedly.

Mario Williams wasn't really a bust. And if he was a bust, then Reggie Bush's superhumaninsane-level hype definitely made him a bust too.
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Please don't quote me again. I'm allergic to freaking idiots.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I would have. And I'm on record saying so repeatedly.

Mario Williams wasn't really a bust. And if he was a bust, then Reggie Bush's superhumaninsane-level hype definitely made him a bust too.
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Wow. Very few people are actually as dumb as they look. Good job.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I would have. And I'm on record saying so repeatedly.

Mario Williams wasn't really a bust. And if he was a bust, then Reggie Bush's superhumaninsane-level hype definitely made him a bust too.
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If Mario wasn't a bust, neither is Clowney.
 
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DocBar said:
Clowney is not a bust. Mack may have had the better career and outlook in the future, but are you going to say you draft Mack out of Buffalo over Clowney at 1.1? That's ballsy. Mario Williams was a bust. David Carr was a self-induced bust. Clowney has been bad luck.
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Clowney is not a bust
Wtf
Looks at players drafted after him that have already been paid.
Not a bust lol. Yeah he's above average. But not good enough to be extended like all the ballers drafted behind him. He will always be tied to his draft class which was full of fruit.
 
Were there any reasonable trade offer available to us for 1.1 that year?

Vaguely remember some rumor/talk of something possibly on the table with the Falcons at 1.6, but I don't really recall if that was legit or just fan spin.
 
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ATXtexanfan said:
Clowney is not a bust
Wtf
Looks at players drafted after him that have already been paid.
Not a bust lol. Yeah he's above average. But not good enough to be extended like all the ballers drafted behind him. He will always be tied to his draft class which was full of fruit.
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Clowney was the safe pic. Asshole fans respond now.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because one poster wanted to let us know Mack was his guy. I believe him but the only guy I really remember pounding the table for Mack was XTR.
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A few wanted Mack.

Some wanted Greg Robinson to understudy Brown and eventually take his place (well, it looked good on paper :D).

Now with the benefit of hindsight, I think Aaron Donald was the primo pick of that draft. Just think of Donald on the inside and Watt on the outside in RAC's defense.
 
steelbtexan said:
Really other than Mack who is better than Clowney.

Matthews, OBJ, Evans and that's debatable
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Well how nice to have OBJ or Evan's along with Hopkins. They have been available for four years. Clowney was a project who has missed how many game
In a passing league what would those guys have done for us
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Well how nice to have OBJ or Evan's along with Hopkins. They have been available for four years. Clowney was a project who has missed how many game
In a passing league what would those guys have done for us
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OBJ or Evans would have been wasted. Remember '14 was the Fitzy year followed by Hoyer in '15 and Ozweiner in'16.

I'd would rather have given RAC another monster like A.Donald as another defensive weapon than waste OBJ or Evans.
but that's just me.
 
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ObsiWan said:
OBJ or Evans would have been wasted. Remember '14 was the Fitzy year followed by Hoyer in '15 and Ozweiner in'16.

I'd would rather have given RAC another monster like A.Donald as another defensive weapon than waste OBJ or Evans.
but that's just me.
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I wanted Donald IF they traded down
 
JB said:
I wanted Donald IF they traded down
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Full disclosure:
I wanted the best OL guy which appeared, per all the pre-draft hype, to be Robinson. The hype-mongers were wrong about him (although he's probably better than our current OL guys).
So I was wrong too I for listening to them. LoL

I'm not as big on draft day trades as some of our draftniks. If a guy is at to top of your board you get him. Wanting to get your guy AND extra picks is just greed. LoL
 
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Yeah this argument could simply end by trading Clowney to Pittsburgh for Bell. Both guys are FA's in 2019 and both need a new team.

Pittsburgh will be more inclined to make this trade b/c Clowney at least brings something to their team whereas Bell is no longer needed with the emergence of Connor.

Texans need a RB in the worst way but I'm also not so sure that Bell makes the OL look any better.

As I write this, I think the Texans could just make Clowney available and a team in the playoff picture would arrive with the right offer. Clowney is worth a pick or two right now whereas Bell would be worth nothing if he walks after the season.
 
DocBar said:
Clowney was the safe pic. Asshole fans respond now.
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Media hype and one awesome hit made him the safe pick not his medical or game tape history. If the Texans would have removed themselves from the ether, they could've made a much better decision. Hell, if all it takes is tons of media pressure to decide who should be the number one overall pick in the draft.....why not open a fan ballot and just let them help in the decision?
 
This is what represents the Texans problems.....they draft players that do not fit their system and then want to do a make-over. Mercilus' transition to OLB took two full seasons to get the desired results. Clowney was mostly injured for two seasons, therefore got his education mostly from classroom exposure. Had a very nice season last year but seems as though he's entered protection mode to ensure his payday beyond 2019. Clowney was a 4-3 DE who was forced to become a 3-4 OLB. Mack was a 3-4 OLB who obviously delivered in the NFL b/c he was playing a position in his wheelhouse.
 
steelbtexan said:
I said IMHO,

Most owners make the call on 1-1. McNair certainly did on Carr, although I cant prove it and I think that McNair really wanted to add his fellow Gamecock alum.
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I think it was a situation where they desperately wanted to trade back, there was no player that any team had to have to trade up to 1.1, so we couldn't find a partner. Thus leading the Texans to take the safe consensus #1 pick.
 
Shishkabob said:
I think it was a situation where they desperately wanted to trade back, there was no player that any team had to have to trade up to 1.1, so we couldn't find a partner. Thus leading the Texans to take the safe consensus #1 pick.
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are you talking about 2002 or every time they've had 1.1?
 
JB said:
are you talking about 2002 or every time they've had 1.1?
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I was talking in 2014 the Clowney draft. in 02 I was to young to delve that much into football analysis, in '06 I thought the pick should've been either Williams or Bush, I loved VY at UT, but what he was doing didn't seem sustainable to me, and I thought the best QB in the draft was going to be Cutler.(I took a lot of heat from family and friends over that take)
 
ObsiWan said:
A few wanted Mack.

Some wanted Greg Robinson to understudy Brown and eventually take his place (well, it looked good on paper :D).

Now with the benefit of hindsight, I think Aaron Donald was the primo pick of that draft. Just think of Donald on the inside and Watt on the outside in RAC's defense.
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I wanted Jake Matthews but all he's done is start 64 games and get steadily better. He wasn't a "1st Overall" guy but I wanted a safe pick Rick couldn't screw up and he would have been that. Had no faith in our front office and I still don't.

But yeah, obviously if you're not going turtle like me on that one and working hindsight that would have been pretty amazing. 2nd round we could have had DeMarcus Lawrence instead of Su'a-Filo.

Would have much preferred Matthews and Lawrence over Clowney and Su'a-Filo but I guess it doesn't matter in the long run. O'Brain would have coached Matthews down to the same bust Xavier was and it's not like Clowney has been devoid of impact. He's done some good over there.
 
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