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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

disaacks3 said:
OK - this just seems like bitching about nada. You want / expect your QB to be a really competitive mofo. Unless he's yelling this out so that 20+ guys can't help but overhear it's one thing. If it's just Teddy trying to garner attention to a non-issue, it's different.

If you're not at least thinking this sort of stuff aloud when you're watching another guy play your position poorly, then I doubt you're competitive enough for the NFL. I just don't see this as "smack".
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The guy's under a microscope and he knows it and he still can't pull off just doing what is smart.

It's no huge deal but it's dumb.
 
infantrycak said:
The guy's under a microscope and he knows it and he still can't pull off just doing what is smart.

It's no huge deal but it's dumb.
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To a point I agree, but I can't help but think that Ryan Mallett was thinking the same thing while watching Fitz "at work". :kitten:
 
infantrycak said:
The guy's under a microscope and he knows it and he still can't pull off just doing what is smart.

It's no huge deal but it's dumb.
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If he tugs at his junk, picks his nose, or rubs his azz it'll be all over Twitter.
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Greg Cosell's Look Ahead: How will Johnny Manziel do?
Manziel’s success might come down to how the game is structured for him by the coaching staff. He needs to be in a position where the ball can come out quick, the reads can be defined and they can use the play-action bootleg effectively. It’s an odd thing to say his game needs to be controlled and managed because we think about Manziel as an improvisational player (and by the way, he’s going to make some plays with his improvisational skills), but he’s a certain kind of thrower. He’s 6-foot tall so the ball has to come out quick if he's asked to throw from the pocket – the same is true for Wilson, who is about the same height.

You also have to get Manziel on the perimeter, because when you roll him out the reads are better defined with just half the field to work with, and he also has a run-pass option. You can do all of this, by the way. Browns coordinator Kyle Shanahan did that with Griffin his rookie year. Griffin was a one-read passer that season running a lot of read option, before NFL defenses had time to study it and adjust...
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had he come out a few years ago i'd at least give him the benefit of vince young's career. highschool gameplan plus chaos would get him through a successful couple of years. right now teams are going to play him like they would kaepernick or geno smith or whoever within the trend of athletes at quarterback - all of which are taking a nosedive once the read option was adjusted to. the blue print is already in place, teams that fail to stop manziel - simply failed.
 
Browns getting blown out right now and Johnny looks like he thinks he is still going against college level competition. Improvising like he did in college isn't going to work in the NFL.
 
Let's be honest, everyone should have known that this is what it would look like to start. He doesn't have a NFL skill set. What matters is whether or not he'll be able to take the skills he does have and evolve into a NFL QB. My guess has always been no. But we won't know the answer for probably another year.
 
Welcome to the NFL, Johnny.............5 for 11 for 28 yds, 2 INTs, 2 sacks and "money sign" penalty and numerous other stupid decisions.......the definition of a dumbass who can't and does not want to learn and play within a playbook.................I wonder how many times Hoyer could be saying "I could have made that"..............
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Welcome to the NFL, Johnny.............5 for 11 for 28 yds, 2 INTs, 2 sacks and "money sign" penalty and numerous other stupid decisions.......the definition of a dumbass who can't and does not want to learn and play within a playbook.................I wonder how many times Hoyer could be saying "I could have made that"..............
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Don't forget the 3rd INT that came back on a pretty questionable offsides call.
 
Cleveland loses 30-0. Offense manages 3 first downs, 1/10 on third downs, 107 total yards.

Manziel: 10/18 for 80 yards and 2 INTs. Sacked 3 times. 5 rushes for 13 yards.
 
I saw a lot of what I expected to see. Then he handled the interview well. He didn't look unprepared, made some plays... he's got a deceptively strong arm. I think he's going to be alright if he doesn't get hurt. Better than Geno & Ej for sure.
 
Wolf said:
I've already heard people say the Browns need to let Johnny be Johnny

:tiphat:
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He did and it ended up in an interception in the end zone. Another one he tried to run to make something happen and he got sacked. The NFL is a lot faster than college.
 
I've held my opinion until I could see JFF play in the NFL. Internally, I felt he could do it, but now that I've seen it, his game will not translate to the big leagues. Wished him better, but speed kills.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Whoops.
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Our guy had one -- or two -- of those, yesterday.


Merrill Hoge on Johnny Manziel: 'Whoever drafted him in Cleveland, they need to be fired'
"As I've said before, it's going to be a quick exit and it's unfortunate, because whoever drafted him in Cleveland, they need to be fired,'' Hoge said on a postgame show. "Because it's unfair to the kid. He has sixth-round talent but first-round hype, and you draft him there and now regardless of what happens from here on out, he will be expected to play like a first-rounder and that's unfair to him.

"He doesn't have the skill set to withstand that expectation and that's not his fault, it's the Cleveland Browns' for drafting him that high.''
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Johnny Manziel’s 1.0 Total QBR Sunday was the worst by any player in his starting debut since 2006 (when QBR data exists).
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Hookem Horns said:
Browns getting blown out right now and Johnny looks like he thinks he is still going against college level competition. Improvising like he did in college isn't going to work in the NFL.
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yep. Two immediate things that came to mind seeing his low-lights: his speed is negated in the NFL to the point that it is not going to be an asset like it was on college, and the other was that his floaty pass to the end-zone might have worked at the college level but it's a gift-wrapped interception in the pros.

His little 'money sign' thing only tells me to get paid before you get figured out. It's the most ridiculous showboating for an over-hyped player that has not proved a dern thing in the pros that I've ever seen.

Playoffs said:
Our guy had one -- or two -- of those, yesterday.



Merrill Hoge on Johnny Manziel: 'Whoever drafted him in Cleveland, they need to be fired'
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Did Manziel text "we're gonna' wreck this league" to the Browns owner on draft day, or was it actually "we're gonna be a wreck in this league" and was misread?
 
Playoffs said:
Our guy had one -- or two -- of those, yesterday.


Merrill Hoge on Johnny Manziel: 'Whoever drafted him in Cleveland, they need to be fired'


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
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Well fire the owner then. The GM and HC both wanted Bridgewater. The owner spent $100k on an analytics study of the QB's in this draft class and the returns were Bridgewater was the best. The GM was prepared to take Bridgewater on draft day and the owner called down and straight up said they were taking Manziel.
 
WolverineFan said:
Well fire the owner then. The GM and HC both wanted Bridgewater. The owner spent $100k on an analytics study of the QB's in this draft class and the returns were Bridgewater was the best. The GM was prepared to take Bridgewater on draft day and the owner called down and straight up said they were taking Manziel.
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I thought there was a homeless guy involved.
 
Just watched the game rewind, that whole offense was out of sync. JFF was bad, but got little support. False starts, LOS penalties, blocking penalties. Looked like a team w/new OC in preseason.

Browns couldn't stop the run. (244 yards)

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JFF: I'm taller than you.

Marvin Lewis: Take that helmet off.


Needs to get out of this CFB stuff, imo...

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With all the parties and clubs he goes to how does Johnny Manziel have time to learn the playbook and study the game? He's a rich kid having fun. A professional he is not. At least not yet and that maturity level likely won't come for another five or six years. By then he could be out of the league a la Vince Young.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
With all the parties and clubs he goes to how does Johnny Manziel have time to learn the playbook and study the game? He's a rich kid having fun. A professional he is not. At least not yet and that maturity level likely won't come for another five or six years. By then he could be out of the league a la Vince Young.
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If he uses it as motivation. It probably wouldn't hurt him to be humbled a bit.
 
Playoffs said:
Our guy had one -- or two -- of those, yesterday.


Merrill Hoge on Johnny Manziel: 'Whoever drafted him in Cleveland, they need to be fired'


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
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Ironically Hoge hated Vince Young also and I remember how many VY fans were calling out Hoge for being a dumba**.

Honestly, I don't think we are going to have to suffer with Johnny No Points like we did with VY. VY while looking bad was at least winning which kept him around longer and his fans on his jock. I don't see Johnny winning much of anything to keep him and his fanboys around very long.

My gut feeling is he will be a funny memory in a couple of years with the "what were people thinking" referring to those that thought he would be an NFL QB.

The best Aggy on the field during Johnny's tenure is now a Buc. Mike Evans is legit and has even made Josh McCown look good at times.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Ironically Hoge hated Vince Young also and I remember how many VY fans were calling out Hoge for being a dumba**.

Honestly, I don't think we are going to have to suffer with Johnny No Points like we did with VY. VY while looking bad was at least winning which kept him around longer and his fans on his jock. I don't see Johnny winning much of anything to keep him and his fanboys around very long.

My gut feeling is he will be a funny memory in a couple of years with the "what were people thinking" referring to those that thought he would be an NFL QB.

The best Aggy on the field during Johnny's tenure is now a Buc. Mike Evans is legit and has even made Josh McCown look good at times.
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Winning is the key. If he's able to knock out a couple of winning seasons, then maybe he'll be in the league long enough to learn how to play.

I like the kid. He's exciting & fun to watch. Guys like him generally don't last very long in this league, so I've got no illusions about that.

Merrill Hoge is still a dumb ass. He takes it personal that these guys are getting drafted & have the chance to start & come across looking like a bitter shrew.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I were Johnny, I'd let Merrill know, "Hey Merrill, as soon as I decide to hang-up my cleats, I'll take your job & there's nothing you can do about it."
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I doubt Manziel becomes an analyst. He'd have to actually study film and understand the complexities of NFL offenses and defenses, which is obviously not his strong suit.

And yeah, Hodge can be a little douchy, but I do not think that he takes anything personal. I think it's just a personality trait.

Honoring Earl 34 said:
Johnny will host a show on MTV .
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yep. Some kind of infinite beach party thing.
 
Double Barrel said:
I doubt Manziel becomes an analyst. He'd have to actually study film and understand the complexities of NFL offenses and defenses, which is obviously not his strong suit.
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I don't think he'd actually do it, just let Hodge know that he could have his job anytime he wants.
 
What's up everyone? I actually was looking forward to seeing what Manziel was going to do against my Bengals, but that was VERY far from fun to watch. It was painful. While he didn't get much help, he looked awful. A boy among men if you will. It was a good lesson for him in realizing this isn't college anymore and the things he could pull off at A&M just won't work in the pros. The Bengals didn't send the blitz and forced his movement in the pressure they sent. The gameplan worked tremendously and you got what you saw.

I don't think it means he's a bust, but rather a young kid who REALLY needs to take more time to study not only his own playbook, but reading defenses pre-snap. I'm not convinced that he's mature enough to dedicate himself at this point in time though.

He will be fun to watch if he can grasp it sooner rather than later.
If not, he won't be around long enough to worry.
 
Found this on a Browns board:

Interesting insight from the outside: Manziel did not play like a quarterback who had training camp and 14 weeks to prepare for his starting debut. Maybe it is because he did not, in fact, steadily prepare as needed.

In the final minutes Sunday, as Fox showed Manziel sitting on the bench with his head down, analyst and former standout defensive back John Lynch spoke of an interaction he had with Manziel: "The best quarterbacks in this league, they're the hardest workers in the building. Johnny Manziel was, this week -- by all accounts. All year, he hasn't been. And I asked him: 'Are you willing to do that?' He said, 'Well, this week was a good start.' He was stand-up. I think he didn't argue that he hasn't been. He said, 'This was a good start.' And we'll see from here, and I think that will go a long way in determining his success.''

Obviously, Lynch saying, "I think he didn't argue that he hasn't been'' left plenty open to interpretation -- Manziel's interpretation. Manziel might counter that Lynch misunderstood that he conceded a lack of required study habits for most of the season. At the same time, Lynch is a solid analyst who doesn't open his mouth to hear himself talk, nor has he picked a side in Hoyer vs. Manziel. Lynch must have gotten his information from somewhere credible, if not Manziel, or he never would have tweaked him.
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. Factory of Embarrassment: The Browns (7-7) lost as a team -- coaching staff, offense, defense, special teams. The Browns' were dominated as a team from start to finish by a highly motivated opponent that happens to be leading the AFC North.

Regardless, Manziel's poor performance stood out. He could have used some help, and he was not the sole reason the Browns were destroyed -- but he was a significant part of the problem.

Nothing Manziel did, or attempted to do, made the Bengals the slightest bit nervous.

Hard to believe, but true: Manziel accounted for 67 yards of offense in 26 opportunities (18 passes for 80 yards; five rushes for 13; three sacks for minus-26).

Manziel averaged 2.58 yards per opportunity. Let that marinate.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_dmans_report_ga.html
 
I hated Manziel as a prospect and his style of play was probably the biggest reason why. He MUST adapt to make it in the NFL. If Michael Vick couldn't make it this way then you can bet your ass that Manziel can't.
 
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