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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

Found this on a Browns board:

Even I ventured onto a Browns forum to gauge reaction -- something I rarely have ever do,

One guy postulated a different perspective in his topic opened well before Johnny Money started... his premise, "What if Hoyer makes our offense look better than they actually are?" After watching CIN game, I'm open to that thought.
 
Even I ventured onto a Browns forum to gauge reaction -- something I rarely have ever do,

One guy postulated a different perspective in his topic opened well before Johnny Money started... his premise, "What if Hoyer makes our offense look better than they actually are?" After watching CIN game, I'm open to that thought.

With Hoyer starting, the Browns beat the Bengals 24-3 in Cincinnati. Hoyer didn't have a great game but that was the score. The most important part was that he didn't throw interceptions, I think.

I really feel like Pettine gave up on this season by starting Manziel. I don't think there are going to be good consequences to that in the locker room.

Unless, of course, it wasn't Pettine who made the decision. If so, there are going to be even worse consequences in that locker room.
 
I really feel like Pettine gave up on this season by starting Manziel. I don't think there are going to be good consequences to that in the locker room.

I think Hoyer gave him no choice. Pettine held on as long as he could.


Nobody was going to believe Hoyer gave the Browns the best option to win, until they saw Manziel. Pettine just had to see it for himself as well.
 
I think Hoyer gave him no choice. Pettine held on as long as he could.


Nobody was going to believe Hoyer gave the Browns the best option to win, until they saw Manziel. Pettine just had to see it for himself as well.

I'd be willing to bet that everyone in that locker room knew that Hoyer gave the Browns the best chance to win.

But any chance of the playoffs was pretty much out the window. Hoyer will be a FA and the front office just invested a first round pick in his replacement. Under those circumstances I would have to believe that they decided to go with Manziel so they could see what they have.

And they are lucky they did it, to be honest. Because now they have a shot at bringing back Hoyer if they want to. I don't think that Hoyer is at all better than mediocre, but he's certainly better than Manziel at this moment in time.
 
I'd be willing to bet that everyone in that locker room knew that Hoyer gave the Browns the best chance to win.

But any chance of the playoffs was pretty much out the window. Hoyer will be a FA and the front office just invested a first round pick in his replacement. Under those circumstances I would have to believe that they decided to go with Manziel so they could see what they have.

And they are lucky they did it, to be honest. Because now they have a shot at bringing back Hoyer if they want to. I don't think that Hoyer is at all better than mediocre, but he's certainly better than Manziel at this moment in time.

True, however the owner went all Dan Snyder over Manziel
 
...the front office just invested a first round pick in... Manziel.

Everything I've been told, over and again, was it was all Haslam and this isn't considered "on Framer" around the league. Doesn't give him a pass from me for passing on Watkins. Even today. all I'm hearing is neither Farmer nor Pettine are invested in Johnny Money.
 
I was happy as all get out when they drafted him, he made the money sign and it was all in my teams division...

I can ignore it all until the the last game of the season, if he makes it that long and I will be there to see him crushed...
 
I was happy as all get out when they drafted him, he made the money sign and it was all in my teams division...

I can ignore it all until the the last game of the season, if he makes it that long and I will be there to see him crushed...

I was hoping he'd go to the Titans or Jaguars.

Not that they needed much help to suxor this year.
 
I don't think he's gonna be a very good qb in the NFL and i made that known well before his 1st start; his style of play just didn't appear to mesh well with how the NFL is imo.

But even i'll admit, I didn't think he was gonna look as bad as he did. Some of those throws were god awful...the red zone pick by itself was worthy of a :mariopalm:. Even if the WR was open, that throw was ugly and seemed like it was floating in the air for a full qtr. The sad thing is, he got away with that kind of stuff all the time in college.
 
Yeah, the difference in competition at the college level simply does not exist in the pros.

That floater to the end zone that got intercepted was really pathetic.
 
Yeah, the difference in competition at the college level simply does not exist in the pros.

That floater to the end zone that got intercepted was really pathetic.

In college Mike Evans vs college DBs meant Johnny could throw those floaters and get a completion. If you pointed out that was a bad throw, people would say "no, it was a brillant play". Loved him in college, never thought his play would work in the NFL.
 
I always said Manziel would not last long in the NFL because of his style of undisciplined sandlot football and his body's inability to take NFL trauma. It didn't take long. He left the game in the 2nd quarter with a hamstring pull. Later, he was limping on the sideline. MRI tomorrow. Whatever the results, I don't see him playing next Sunday.....and he does, not for long before he re-injures. It will now make it much easier for me to root for the Browns to take the Ravens.
 
I find it simply amazing that there are guys who are simply 100% clearly not going to make it in the NFL and people continue to fall for it again and again. And not only that, but to waste a first round pick in the process as well. I don't blame the A&M guys, because of course they are pulling for their guy. But the people outside of that who convinced themselves that this kid was a NFL QB just confuse the hell out of me.

I don't really like Manziel that much. His entire attitude and persona irritate me. But I truly feel sorry for him. He was a fantastic college player. And he either got bad advice or he was just way too confident in himself and he left early when he still had eligibility left. It would have been a lot more fun to watch him tear it up in college for another year than it is to watch him get quickly destroyed in the NFL.

This post really has no purpose. I already knew this is what Manziel was going to look like. I am just absolutely dumbfounded by the Cleveland Browns front office.
 
This post really has no purpose... I am just absolutely dumbfounded by the Cleveland Browns front office.

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This post really has no purpose. I already knew this is what Manziel was going to look like. I am just absolutely dumbfounded by the Cleveland Browns front office.

Great post, but I'm just going to add onto this part a little bit. The Browns FO had nothing to do with the pick. It came from one guy and one guy only. The owner. The owner ordered a $100k analytic study of the QB's in the 2014 draft class. This study found that Teddy Bridgewater was the best QB in the class. The Browns were on the clock at #22 and the coach and GM were united on taking Bridgewater when the owner called down and made the order for Manziel.

It's clear that the HC has never been behind Manziel and the talk league wide is that other NFL teams don't put this pick on Ray Farmer. We all know who's fault this is. This is what happens when you have meddlesome owners who care more about ticket prices than they do winning. No different than Dan Snyder selling the future of his franchise for a poster boy.
 
From Wiki

Atlanta Falcons (1991)
Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the second round, 33rd overall in the 1991 NFL Draft.[20] On July 19, 1991, Favre agreed to a three-year, $1.4 million contract with a reported signing bonus of $350,000.[21] Atlanta coach Jerry Glanville did not approve of the drafting of Favre, saying it would take a plane crash for him to put Favre into the game.[22] Favre's first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown.[23] He only attempted four passes in his career at Atlanta, was intercepted twice, and completed none of them. Favre took one other snap, which resulted in a sack for an eleven-yard loss.[7]

March 2010
“I had to get him out of Atlanta. . . . I could not sober him up,” Glanville said. “I sent him to a city where at 9:00 at night the only thing that’s open is Chili Joes. You can get it two ways, with or without onions. And that’s what made Brett Favre make a comeback was going to a town that closed down. If I would have traded him to New York, nobody to this day would have known who Brett Favre ever was.”

I don't know what will become of Johnny Manziel. I think he's got the ability to be very good in the NFL, but is more likely to bust. But I do like watching the kid play. Just like I enjoyed watching Favre play.

Not that Johnny is an exact clone of Brett, but he does remind me of the Packers' gunslinger. Favre never transitioned to a drop back pocket passer, chances are Johnny won't either, but he left his stamp on the NFL & he won a lot of games.
 
Great post, but I'm just going to add onto this part a little bit. The Browns FO had nothing to do with the pick. It came from one guy and one guy only. The owner. The owner ordered a $100k analytic study of the QB's in the 2014 draft class. This study found that Teddy Bridgewater was the best QB in the class. The Browns were on the clock at #22 and the coach and GM were united on taking Bridgewater when the owner called down and made the order for Manziel.

It's clear that the HC has never been behind Manziel and the talk league wide is that other NFL teams don't put this pick on Ray Farmer. We all know who's fault this is. This is what happens when you have meddlesome owners who care more about ticket prices than they do winning. No different than Dan Snyder selling the future of his franchise for a poster boy.

The Texans had their own poster boy .
 
I find it simply amazing that there are guys who are simply 100% clearly not going to make it in the NFL and people continue to fall for it again and again. And not only that, but to waste a first round pick in the process as well. I don't blame the A&M guys, because of course they are pulling for their guy. But the people outside of that who convinced themselves that this kid was a NFL QB just confuse the hell out of me.

I don't really like Manziel that much. His entire attitude and persona irritate me. But I truly feel sorry for him. He was a fantastic college player. And he either got bad advice or he was just way too confident in himself and he left early when he still had eligibility left. It would have been a lot more fun to watch him tear it up in college for another year than it is to watch him get quickly destroyed in the NFL.

This post really has no purpose. I already knew this is what Manziel was going to look like. I am just absolutely dumbfounded by the Cleveland Browns front office.

You, me and most everybody would like to have seen manziel stay at A&M but not everyone is like Andrew luck in that they have another good senior season and stay injury free. Ideally it would be great for players to gain experience in college but sometimes you gotta strike while the irons hot.

Good for manziel for getting first round money but unfortunately for him he is too dumb and cocky to realize that he's playing against professionals and conjuring magic is easier when your playing against lesser competition. Maybe he'll wise up and try to take a professional and mature approach to his trade but I doubt it.
 
Here is a very long and very good review article about Manziel. He continues to have well-choreographed interviews saying the "right" things. But after you read this article, you are still left with the same impression you were left with after seeing him flash the money sign at the Draft, just to go on with additional antics reflecting ongoing poor decision making.

Johnny Manziel: 'I don't think it'd be fair to give up on somebody after seven quarters of football'


I don't have a problem with the money sign. No one has a problem with the finger wag or the mile-high salute, or the discount double check.

Johnny was able to create a brand at the collegiate level that very few have. .

No he's a pro & "we" want him to be humble... not going to happen.

Just like winning the Heisman as a freshman, he had to come back & perform at a high level as a sophomore. He knew that. Still, he was all over the papers that summer, which only focused the scrutinous eyes even more.

Still he came out, had a productive system, played more from the pocket, & got himself drafted in the first round.

So now he's doing the money sign, going to basketball games, & being Johnny. Still, he's got to perform. He knows this. He chooses this. Succeed or fail, he's going to be Johnny.
 
I don't have a problem with the money sign. No one has a problem with the finger wag or the mile-high salute, or the discount double check.

Do you understand why the money sign is different and just don't care or not understand why the money sign is different?
 
Do you understand why the money sign is different and just don't care or not understand why the money sign is different?

No matter the gesture's original meaning, at this point it's basically as sinister as a high five. Pointing fingerguns at somebody doesn't mean you literally want to shoot people, and Loftin playing along with this hand gesture doesn't mean he condones marijuana use.
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Dude, step away from the overblown, it's embarrassing.

Nope. It's cumulative. Any one act I would defend too. His inability to stop being a dumbass - it's on him and deserved. Whatever talent he may have he's an idiot.

There have been a million talented college players and he stands out. He's getting mocked across the league. Rent him Bull Durham and send him some shower shoes. He'll never be anything until he gets rid of the attitude that the money sign typifies.
 
Nope. It's cumulative. Any one act I would defend too. His inability to stop being a dumbass - it's on him and deserved. Whatever talent he may have he's an idiot.

There have been a million talented college players and he stands out. He's getting mocked across the league. Rent him Bull Durham and send him some shower shoes. He'll never be anything until he gets rid of the attitude that the money sign typifies.

The attitude doesn't have anything to do with him being successful or not. People who are great in the NFL are usually cocky. Favre/Brady/Manning etc.... it's in their DNA. IMHO Fans with normal lives cant and don't like the type of people who are great (At the college level) and can backup the hyperbole.

Manziel will either make it or not on his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. I'm betting against him adjusting.
 
The attitude doesn't have anything to do with him being successful or not. People who are great in the NFL are usually cocky. Favre/Brady/Manning etc.... it's in their DNA. IMHO Fans with normal lives cant and don't like the type of people who are great (At the college level) and can backup the hyperbole.

Manziel will either make it or not on his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. I'm betting against him adjusting.

You miss the point as does he, so appropriate. All cockiness is not the same. Some cockiness drives you because you know you can be the best like a JJ or Aryton Senna...and then there is cockiness like JFF that thinks you already are the best.

Really a damn shame you can't see the difference.
 
The attitude doesn't have anything to do with him being successful or not. People who are great in the NFL are usually cocky. Favre/Brady/Manning etc.... it's in their DNA. IMHO Fans with normal lives cant and don't like the type of people who are great (At the college level) and can backup the hyperbole.

Manziel will either make it or not on his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. I'm betting against him adjusting.

Don't forget Rodgers & CAM...... I love it when he does the SuperMan.
 
I didn't realize shaw was getting the start.

I feel better about the Browns chances now.

So do I. The Chargers won't really have any significant film on him (Connor Shaw). With this, anything can happen.......and more than likely good rather than bad. Nice article on this young man.

A start Sunday in Baltimore in his NFL debut would add a final chapter he couldn’t have imagined six weeks ago.

“It’s been such a blessing. It’s such an awesome year for me and my family to be able to live my dream and have a beautiful daughter and marry my high school sweetheart,” said Shaw, an undrafted rookie. “It’s been awesome for me, and hopefully we can cap it off with a win.”

Shaw married Molly in July. Mila was born nearly four months ago.

He saw those life-changing events coming. He would’ve had a hard time predicting he’d take the first-team quarterback repetitions on the final Wednesday of the season.

Especially when he was taking snaps at safety with the scout team.

But with Johnny Manziel placed on injured reserve with a hamstring injury and Brian Hoyer’s status in doubt with right shoulder/biceps injuries, Shaw could get the call against the Ravens, who need a win in their attempt to reach the playoffs. Hoyer is holding out hope he can play, but if he can’t, it’ll be Shaw.

“Yeah, I’m really excited about it,” Shaw said. “It’s been a long season. I’ve done everything they’ve asked, and I feel like I’ve done a good job.

“We’ll see what happens at the end of the week. Right now, I’m just focused on the game plan and seeing if I have to suit up against Baltimore.”

Shaw was one of the most successful and exciting college quarterbacks the last few years, drawing comparisons to Manziel. He’s the winningest quarterback in South Carolina history with a 27-5 record. As a senior, he threw 23 touchdowns and one interception.

“I’m a tough, gritty guy,” Shaw said. “I feel like I’m smart with the ball.”

But without ideal size (6-foot-1, 210 pounds) and arm strength, he went undrafted. In fact, the Browns were the only team to have him in for a visit. He signed with them after the draft and was added to the practice squad after he was cut at the end of training camp.

He spent the first 16 weeks splitting scout-team reps at quarterback with Manziel, serving as an extra practice body at safety, going largely unnoticed in the practice squad section of the locker room and studying the game plan and opponents’ defenses alongside Hoyer and Manziel.

“Well, I did everything Johnny and Brian did except for play,” Shaw said. “I was in the meeting rooms. I was doing everything they were. I was trying to stay as sharp as possible because you never know when you’re going in. It just happens to be that way this week, and we’ll see how it all turns out at the end of the week.”

“He’s a competitive guy, and he’s tough,” Hoyer said. “I think he’s done his due diligence in meetings and stuff like that. It’s definitely not easy, and I know he’ll do everything he can to prepare to play.”

Shaw made an impression on coach Mike Pettine with his gritty preseason play and work throughout the season. Shaw didn’t get much work in the preseason as the competition between Hoyer and Manziel played out, but took advantage of the limited time he had.

He went 8-for-9 for 123 yards, a touchdown and a 155.8 rating against Washington. He ran six times for 20 yards in the finale against Chicago.

“I think I proved to myself that I can play in this league, and hopefully, if I get that opportunity, I’ll make some plays and we can come out with a win,” Shaw said.

Pettine liked him as early as his predraft visit and workout.

“I’ve spoken on it before, just that ‘it factor,’” Pettine said. “You just look at him and does he pass the eyeball test? No. And he doesn’t have the strongest arm and he’s not the fastest or the biggest, but he’s found a way and he’s just got something about him. He’s well-respected by his teammates and he goes out and he works his tail off on the practice field.

“He’s a guy that you like having around just because there’s a lot of positive energy coming from Connor, so he was a guy that we did like. I don’t know exactly where he ended up on the final draft rankings, but he was a guy that we targeted and we were fortunate to be able to get him here after the draft.”

Shaw took the first-team reps Tuesday and Wednesday and is preparing to face the Ravens and their fierce pass rush.

“He did a great job today,” left tackle Joe Thomas said Tuesday. “I was impressed. Nobody’s seen or heard from him from the No. 1 offense in a long time because even going back to training camp I can’t really remember taking any reps with him. But he stepped right in today and hardly made any mistakes calling the plays and I was impressed.”

With the quarterback carousel that’s been spinning in Cleveland since 1999 - Shaw would be the 22nd starter - fans are trained to greet each new experiment with great expectations. Shaw was asked if he’d view the start Sunday as an audition to get into a competition for the starting job next year.

“I don’t see it that way, and I really can’t focus on it like that,” he said. “If I have the opportunity to play, then I’m going to play with the best of my ability the only way I know how. We’ll see how it all turns out after the season.”

Shaw has wanted to be a starting quarterback in the NFL since he was 5. All those years didn’t prepare him for the final week of his rookie season.

“Yeah, it’s pretty crazy,” he said. “I didn’t see it turning out like this, but nonetheless, I’ll be ready if I’m called on.”
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To me, in the pre season shaw looked better than Manziel.

Good write up on him....I hope he does well....for our sake mostly.
 
It's going to be up to the Brown's defense to take Flacco & his receivers out of the game. If they're healthy, I think they've got the talent to do it.
 
I don't have a problem with the money sign. No one has a problem with the finger wag or the mile-high salute, or the discount double check.

Remind me about that time when J.J. Watt was drafted and did the finger wave on the draft stage...

Oh yeah, Watt only does it when he actually achieves something ON THE FIELD.

There's your difference. Showboating over a self-inflated marketing brand that has accomplished nothing at the pro level versus one of pro football's best players celebrating AFTER MAKING A PLAY.

You do get the fundamental differences, yeah?

Manziel has earned NOTHING at the pro level, yet he acts like he's already one of the elite players just by his mere existence. Some of us see that as nothing more than a bloviated fool whose endless narcissism is pathetic.
 
Remind me about that time when J.J. Watt was drafted and did the finger wave on the draft stage...

Oh yeah, Watt only does it when he actually achieves something ON THE FIELD.

There's your difference. Showboating over a self-inflated marketing brand that has accomplished nothing at the pro level versus one of pro football's best players celebrating AFTER MAKING A PLAY.

You do get the fundamental differences, yeah?

Manziel has earned NOTHING at the pro level, yet he acts like he's already one of the elite players just by his mere existence. Some of us see that as nothing more than a bloviated fool whose endless narcissism is pathetic.

I understand the difference, just like I don't believe you understand what's going on here. Johnny's hand signal is not about being one of the better players in the league, he was doing it before he was in the league.

It's who he is & his fans expect to see it. If you're not a fan, I can understand you not appreciating it.

"It's me & you" that's what he's saying to his fans, they get it & they appreciate it.

You don't like it when Dj Swagg does his thing. But that's Swagg, it's who he is, it's not going to change. He's not saying he's one of the best players in the league when he does it either, it's like a high five. A celebration.

There were people watching the draft, doing the money sign with Manziel... they were on the edge of their seat, waiting for it.

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It's showmanship.

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Some players get it

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& some players were doing it long before they got to the NFL.
 
No you don't get it. Their showmanship was earned.

You just proved the point using hall of famers as contrast for never been dick in the NFL.

Irving was doing that before anyone thought to mention his name & HOF in the same breath. Dione's been doing his thing way before he was in the NFL. He came into the NFL being a showman, which had a lot of people like you dogging him, until you couldn't deny his greatness anymore.

I don't get why some think this is an earned trait. It's not. Aaron Rodgers didn't start doing the discount double check because he woke up one day & said, "I'm a great QB, I need a signature move."

He's always done it, just didn't get a lot of attention because no one cared.

But just like Johnny hanging out with Drake & LeBron before he was in the NFL, people give a **** about what Manziel does. His fans can't get enough, his detractors... well they can't seem to get enough either.
 
Final answer is he is not a NFL player, nor a professional at this time in his "career." He simply does not have the skill, size, or focus to be successful at this level.

The CFL would be a great place for him.
 
Irving was doing that before anyone thought to mention his name & HOF in the same breath. Dione's been doing his thing way before he was in the NFL. He came into the NFL being a showman, which had a lot of people like you dogging him, until you couldn't deny his greatness anymore.

I don't get why some think this is an earned trait. It's not. Aaron Rodgers didn't start doing the discount double check because he woke up one day & said, "I'm a great QB, I need a signature move."

He's always done it, just didn't get a lot of attention because no one cared.

But just like Johnny hanging out with Drake & LeBron before he was in the NFL, people give a **** about what Manziel does. His fans can't get enough, his detractors... well they can't seem to get enough either.

They proved their cocky in the NFL. Don't know what part of that is hard to understand.
 
They proved their cocky in the NFL. Don't know what part of that is hard to understand.

I think Johnny is proving to be pretty cocky too.

I agree he hasn't proven that he belongs in the NFL, much less listed among the greatest... all I'm saying is he isn't the first NFL nobody to have a signature move & he won't be the last.

Some of those guys go on to be somebodies..... imagine if Arian Foster never had another TD after his first Namaste, it wasn't like he waited till he made the Pro Bowl before he started doing them.

A lot of them become nobodies.... is Santana Moss still doing that jet thingy?





Just like Jj Watt's figured out, it's a brand & they have to capitalize on it while the getting's good.
 
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