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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread
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That's how I roll!!!
Missed ya today bud! I needed someone to hit real bad...
we could have gone lookin' for melon heads and mudpies!
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I see TB is in good form after the W. 
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I've seen coaches get fired even after taking their teams to the play-offs.
I'm not saying Kubiak should be fired (yet), but I do not think that he has done a great job this season...despite his W/L record...
See, it works both ways....
A coach can be doing a better job than his record indicates, or he can be doing a worse job than his record indicates...
I'd actually like to Kubiak, just present a team that comes out and plays good football from all aspects in one of the wins we've had...Or hell...even one of the losses...Doesn't matter...
"How" this team has been playing is poorly for the most part. I'm very happy we got the win today,but c'mon...You'd really have to be sticking your head in the sand to ignore the many shortcomings we have...especially defensively...
I actually think the offense is fine, but I doubt we are going to be able to win shootouts every week...
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
You DO realize these are the same Chargers that lost to the Raiders and Rams in successive weeks, right?
Yes, I'm being a deliberately obtuse about the situation. The post I quoted, you're talking about results, & judging Kubiak on results. Well, I posted the results.... yet you're judging him on something totally different.
Last year, all off-season, when some of us are talking about being a top 4 defense over the last 13 games, or being a top 10 defense over the whole season, we were countered with the W-L.
That's all that mattered.
But now... now.. that group wants to talk about actual performance. forget the W-L because it doesn't mean anything.
Now, we want to talk about what the W-L will be at the end of the year, if "this" don't happen, or if Kubiak doesn't do "that"
Make up your minds, that's all I'm saying.
I'm not scared. I'll be here.
Brando
Hall of Fame
Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!!Fire Kubiak!!!
Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!
Listen, you Kubiak haters can't have it both ways.
if the players win the game, then it's on them when we lose.
if you folks claim the coach doesn't get the players prepared/inspired/ready when we lose, then he must have gotten them ready/prepared/inspired when we win.
and if it's just the talent responsible for this win (or any win), then I ask you who assembled that talent? Who makes the cuts and decides who starts and who plays? I think that guy is the head coach.
And the coach or the players (pick one) have us at 4-2 and leading the division.
Thank you, you just made a case why Kubiak should stay.
That has to be one of the most negative, glass half-empty posts I've seen in awhile! Congratulations! Rep coming your way!
For you and the rest of you who get tired of a coach just because he hasn't met YOUR expectations fast enough, be careful what you wish for. It never turns out the way you want.
Kansas City looks pretty inconsistent to me right now. How many touchdowns have they allowed before today? 305 passing yards? 129 yards on the ground?
GreenBay looks pretty inconsistent to me. Dolphins beat them. Washington beat them. Detroit scored 26 points on them. Chicago beat them.
San Diego is looking pretty inconsistent. Oakland & St Louis? I can understand one of the worst teams in the league beating you. But two?
Chicago loses to the Giants when the Giants weren't playing well. The offense scored what 3 points (the Giants offense). They lost to Seattle.. Seattle!
Welcome to the NFL.
Instead of talking about subjectives, lets get into a conversation about specific performances, lets talk about what's really wrong on this team. You keep talking about energy, ho-hum, attitude.... that's BS. You make it sounds like they'd win every game if they just want it bad enough.
This is the NFL, & it don't work that way.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well, whose fault is it that we have the worst defense in the NFL right now?
Smith? Kubiak? Bush? Other coaches? Players? Refs? Texans Talk BBS posters?
It's somebodys fault. My God, our defense couldn't stop a high school team right now. I'm glad we won, I want to see the Texans in the playoffs, I want a Super Bowl trophy for our team just as much as anyone does. But it doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to the most craptastic defense I've ever seen. In 2002 the expansion Texans were 16th in the league in defense at the end of the year. Where is the Texans defense rated now? LAST!!!!!!
Smith? Kubiak? Bush? Other coaches? Players? Refs? Texans Talk BBS posters?
It's somebodys fault. My God, our defense couldn't stop a high school team right now. I'm glad we won, I want to see the Texans in the playoffs, I want a Super Bowl trophy for our team just as much as anyone does. But it doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to the most craptastic defense I've ever seen. In 2002 the expansion Texans were 16th in the league in defense at the end of the year. Where is the Texans defense rated now? LAST!!!!!!
Nice post TK. All we heard from certain quarters was that results were what mattered. Now when the results are good ( and prior to wk 1 we all would have been estatic with a 4-2 record) it's not the results at all, it's how we got there.
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Ckw
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Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!!
Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!
I'd just like to know why you've done such a good job keeping up with this thread but have failed to answer my questions both times I have asked them.
Sure, get drunk celebrating the win. Party hard. Enjoy it. Am I happy we won? Hell yes. But am I happy the WAY we have been winning? Hell no. We have had ONE big time win. Kubiak has been consistently outcoached. Our defense has been abysmal. Our recent draft picks, Cushing off roids may eventually need to be included, have been failures up to this point (please note I am not saying they will NEVER be good or even great players).
I just have to know, do you think Kubiak is the answer? Forget all the posts by the people you refer to as "jokes." Just answer the ****ing question if you are going to bash everyone on here for expressing a viewpoint that is different than yours. Do you think Kubiak can or will be the guy to take us to the promised land? Do you think our defense has played up to par under Kubiak in his ENTIRE time coaching here? Have we really played the way you would like?
If the answer to all of those questions is yes, then continue your bashing. We are all Texans fans, and we all want what is best for this franchise. Some of us are just tired of believing this team has "turned the corner", but then continue to be let down by the teams poor play.
Just remember dude, we are all rooting for the same franchise. We are all happy that we are sitting at 4-2. We all want the best for this team. Some of us just see things that bother us, see big mistakes that bother us, and see an inconsistent team that can't seem to play two good halves and believe heads need to roll because of it.
I understand what you are saying, but actually Buffalo is last.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Co-sign. That's how we are: We can't get rid of Kubiak because, well, look at what we had under Capers! (As if the only alternative would be re-hiring Capers. I swear, we sports fans can be dumbasses sometimes).
Having said that, I went to the game today, and it was a blast. I have no voice and damn near had a heart attack, but defintely a good day at Reliant.
Still, I bet if you asked Kubiak about our problems on defense, he would say: "What problems? Our defense is fine."
Clueless.
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Ckw
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Rep!
Some of you need to read this over a few times. Sure we have some injuries. But this is KUBIAK'S DEFENSE. HE assembled this team. HE chose his coordinators. HE chose many of his players. HE decided to go into battle with a rookie CB, a couple of 2nd year CBs, safeties that can't cover, and HE decided to let go of one of our better backup LBs in Danny Clark.
Greg Williams?
Is that the guy that allowed 22 points to the 1-5 (they beat Oakland) 49ers? 275 yards to Alex Smith (his second best game this year)? 112 yards to Frank Gore (his second best game this year (by far))?
27 points to Atlanta? Their second highest point total of the year. 114 yards to Michael Turner? His second best game of the year by a wide margin as well. Atlanta hasn't been able to beat anybody this year worth a crap..... but the won this game with 27 points.
86 yards to DeAngelo Williams, who can't run more than 60 yards on the likes of the Giants, the Bucs, the Bengals, or the Bears.
Do you mean that Greg Williams?
Seriously?
Wolf
100% Texan
luckily those teams aren't playing us
i'd love it if the Texans would "only" give up 22 points a game
Scooter
Funky
this is what i disagree with. heck yeah i'm happy with the way we're winning. we dominated a team who goes no worse than 12 wins every season and in week 6 already have 2 come from behind wins. the second part of that statement describes what all great teams do, they find ways to win when things arent going well.
kubiak is a former offensive coordinator. a former quarterback. he coaches potentially the best offense in the league. has hired a staff who is familiar with him and doesnt appear to be finished. has given most money and draft picks to the defense and still dominates on offense. if there's a gripe with what kubiak's done it's frank bush ... though across 13 games of last season we had a fairly good defense, so i want to see what happens after the bye before proclaiming that the sky is falling.
Scooter
Funky
only 2 people have mentioned capers, guess who.
See, I'm not going to get into the "excuses" about why I believe Kubiak has done a great job this year. But I will tell you this.
Before the season started, I thought the only way we wouldn't make it to the play-offs, was if we had some serious injury to important members of this team.
Now, I don't think even that will stop us.
So who do you want to point the finger at next? Your deceased mother-in-law or the tooth fairy?
Did you say successive weeks? Is that like two weeks in a row or something?
Maybe they are being more consistent than I'm giving them credit for.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Gee, yesterday this was the most potent run game in the NFL.... today they're not even a highschool team.
Oh yeah, forget the fact that Demeco went down, his back up wasn't active today, we had someone who never (that I know of play the position) taking his place, & some guy I didn't even know was on our team playing the WiLL LB spot.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Huh?? I was speaking to the defense, not the offense. It's obvious we have one of the best offenses in the league. As to Demeco going down, they were already playing bad when he was in there.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
You DO realize they didn't have their All-Pro left tackle, nor their #1
receiver during those games, right? Both of their stars
were trying to force the front office to trade, and had yet to play
a down of football until this week.
Yes, Kubiak will get us to the promised land.
Yes, I was very happy with out defense last year.
Yes we've played the way I would like
It's kinda hard to turn the corner when you guys keep moving the damn thing.
These ugly wins.... would have been losses last year. Plain & simple. It's nothing that is going to show up on a stat sheet. Nothing you can put your finger on. It's that intangible maturity level we were lacking last year. If we're 100% healthy after the by, this team is going to turn circles around those corners you keep moving.
Take inconsistent out of your vocabulary. Let's get more specific. What's wrong with our pass defense? If you say secondary, show me... if you say it's our young corners, show me. There are plenty of threads around here discussing the specifics. Several posters have contributed evidence contrary to popular belief, but we keep getting the same arguments..... inconsistency.
Let's get specific, what's been inconsistent?
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The same Gregg Williams that held Tampa Bay to 6 points today?
When will the Texans allow less than 24 points? When will
the Texans defense not make bad quarterbacks look decent, decent
quarterbacks look like probowlers, pro bowl quarterbacks look like
hall of famers, and giving hall of fame quarterbacks career games?
Saints Defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texans Defense
No comparison.
I have NO confidence they'll keep the Colts under 24 points in two
weeks. Give up that number in Indy, and that's a LOSS.
C
Ckw
Guest
It's all perspective man. I see what you are saying but what I see is a team that only seems to really come out when their backs are against the wall or when they are really motivated (which is rare). The Colts game was one of those games. We came out ready to play and treated game 1 of this season like it was our Super Bowl. Our players were even hyping it as such and what did we do? We came out and punched the Colts in the mouth unlike just about any team we have ever played. I commend them for that.
But what do we do in game 2? We get stomped in the first half and have to rely on a miraculous comeback to win the game against a team we should have beaten fairly easily. And game 3? Well you know what happened.
If we come out and beat up on the Colts again in two weeks, then I will shut my pie hole. But I'm not counting on it...
No doubt about it, someone is clueless alright. Kubiak ain't never said no dumbshit like that, & after every win this year, he's told us there are some things we need to work on.
Clueless.......
sooooo... you're saying the loss of key players matters to other teams' performance but it shouldn't matter to the Texans because it's always Kubiak's fault...?
just trying to understand where you're coming from
People act like the Colts led the league in defense the last 10 years.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Yes, we're 4-2. Give up 24 points on any of our division teams,
Jets, or Ravens, that's a potential 7 losses right there. This defense,
that Kubiak's responsible for, is HORRRRREENNNNDOUSSS.
We can't count the loss of Demeco as an excuse, because they
were still horrendous with him in there. Cushing isn't the animal
he was last year, and the kiddie corners got worked by receivers
with bad hands today.
The run defense is merely average. When a team runs with dedication,
they will wear this defense SMOOTH OUT. The offense can NOT put up
35-40 points a week. If we're to sniff 6 more wins this season, the
defense MUST find a way to hold people under 20 points. Has
not happened yet, and we've played more than 1/3 of the season.
Jets, or Ravens, that's a potential 7 losses right there. This defense,
that Kubiak's responsible for, is HORRRRREENNNNDOUSSS.
We can't count the loss of Demeco as an excuse, because they
were still horrendous with him in there. Cushing isn't the animal
he was last year, and the kiddie corners got worked by receivers
with bad hands today.
The run defense is merely average. When a team runs with dedication,
they will wear this defense SMOOTH OUT. The offense can NOT put up
35-40 points a week. If we're to sniff 6 more wins this season, the
defense MUST find a way to hold people under 20 points. Has
not happened yet, and we've played more than 1/3 of the season.
No, I was talking about the Chiefs running game.
texansdrummer
Veteran
Not even Jerry Jones would fire his coach at 4-2....is that really the kind of FO some of you want? If it were up to this board we'd have about 10 coaches each......game.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
soooooooooooo.... I'm saying a coach that's taken his team to the playoffs
a couple times within 5 years gets more "benefit of the doubt." Kubiak's
in a position where he has to deliver, even if all 53 men on the roster are
lost, and he has to bring in reserve players from the CFL.
Kubiak has gone from
"It needs to get better."
"We gotta fix it."
"It needs to get better."
"We gotta fix it"
to
I have no answer for our D so...(that's me saying that)
"Our O and ST will have to carry and win games for us"
Where is Dale and Barrett when you need them to decode the pressers, heh.
"It needs to get better."
"We gotta fix it."
"It needs to get better."
"We gotta fix it"
to
I have no answer for our D so...(that's me saying that)
"Our O and ST will have to carry and win games for us"
Where is Dale and Barrett when you need them to decode the pressers, heh.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
See my response to ObsiWan...
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Actually, I think it is the same Gregg Williams with a ring on his finger as a defensive coordinator.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Gregg Williams is a high risk/high reward type.
When it works its sensational, when it doesn't it is sensational. I think with his defenses it depends a lot on the bounce of the ball and a bit of luck.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
I do know his defense doesn't consistently give bad/mediocre quarterbacks
career games every week.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Perhaps not but they do concede big plays regularly and against good OLines and QBs they get sliced and diced.
All depends on what you want in a defense, there is more than one way to cook an egg..... too bad our ovens broken.
The 28th scoring team in the league Tampa Bay Buccaneers??
The high flying 16 points per game Tampa Bay Buccaneers??
& you think that is impressive?
If they were to play the Bucs they'd probably allow less than 24 points.
Which QBs are you talking about?
No comparison is right.
I have every confidence we will beat the Colts. Whether that means keeping them under 24 points, or scoring 38.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Actually I feel good about that one too.
Our whole franchise has been built around the premise of beating Manning. If we don't win that one it is a huge condemnation of all that has been done here.
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