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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread
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DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Bad news is, this team ain't ready for primetime.
Good news is, due to a 4-2 start, they only need to go 6-4 the
rest of the way to clinch a playoff spot at 10-6.
Post-bye week, this team plays almost EVERYONE they need to beat
for tiebreakers head-to-head.
The playoffs start in two weeks at Indy.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
As much as players may despise him, I would love for Gruden to become the next HC for our team. He can yell and scream all I want and he's proven to get results.
Other than him, maybe Marty (I know he's old) would be a nice addition as a coordinator or maybe HC. Play some Marty Ball and at least get to the playoffs.
Regarding the game, the team looked slow and unconditioned. They played tired on defense and weren't able to bring Cassel down.
Other than him, maybe Marty (I know he's old) would be a nice addition as a coordinator or maybe HC. Play some Marty Ball and at least get to the playoffs.
Regarding the game, the team looked slow and unconditioned. They played tired on defense and weren't able to bring Cassel down.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I said it elsewhere, but the problem starts at the very tippy top. Mediocrity is not only accepted but embraced by this owner.
Well, you're just going to have to get over it, because the owner isn't changing. So make your decision and go with it.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't understand what he can show us at this point. What can he show us? That he can make the post season for the first time in 5 years with a stacked team? What he has shown us for all these years is that he doesn't get this team amped up to play two full halves consistently, and this is a team that plays either really HOT or really COLD from quarter to quarter. I don't think I've ever seen a team play so back and forth the way this Kubes led team does. It's games like this that end up saving his job just like those pointless ones at the end of the season did last year. What I fear the most is that the Texans do make the playoffs this year and everyone is ga ga over Kubes again, and this team plays very uninspired in the playoffs, and we lose and all the fans and Mcnair are happy "just to be there" and despite how badly the Texans might look in a game like that people will still act like Kubes accomplished something major.
This franchise and it's fans need higher expectations and that's the biggest problem.
GNTLEWOLF
Rookie
My question is,"Who do they beat to get the six wins?"
Don't think for one minute that the colts won't be ready with answers to beat this team as will Jacksonville-twice, and Tennessee-twice. That looks like 5 losses to me and that is in our division. My feeling is that we can stick a fork in this team cause they're done. But Kubiak will get his contract extended again cause, shucks, he's a great guy.
Agreed playoffs start after bye week for us.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
My overall point is, 6-4 guarantees the Texans a playoff spot, due to
the head-to-head matchups. I believe the AFC South is sending
two teams to the playoffs. So, the next ten games consist of
5 AFC South teams
Jets
Ravens
Chargers
Broncos
Eagles.
GNTLEWOLF
Rookie
Dex I got your point. I was just trying to imagine where this team as it stands now, will dig up six wins. I know that you weren't implying that this team could even get six wins.
As I see it we might beat Denver and possibly the Chargers the way they are playing.
I think it's pretty obvious you wants something other than results.
We're 4-2 leading the division.
I honestly think we make more of this than there really is. The other team get's paid too.. they want to win as well, but regardless what happens, Kubiak is always on the back end. If we blow someone out in the first half, but the other team makes a second half comeback, Kubiak is playing conservative & can't get his team to play for 4 Qtrs. If we stumble in the first half, but come out on fire in the second, He can't get his team amped up to start a game.
Last year, the only thing that mattered was W-L.... stats didn't mean anything. there were no moral victories. This year, we're 4-2 half the team playing injured, we lose our MLB (the QB of the defense), we get a win...... but it ain't good enough.
bckey
All Pro
Come on TK. I know you can see how desperate the Texans situation is right now even at 4-2 and leading the division. They just had to score 35 points to beat a Chiefs team that is a run first team. It won't happen like that all year. The Texans defense is horrible and they alone will keep this team from going anywhere. The better teams will exploit our weaknesses to embarrassment. It is great to be happy today but we still have to look at the big picture.
eriadoc
Texan-American
It has nothing to do with fan expectations. The team extended him, and Kubiak has built this team into what it is. So Kubiak can get up there and talk about how Earl Mitchell is the type of DT they want, or that they think they'll be fine at the S position, or that they need yet another TE instead of help on D. But show me. If he actually thinks all that, then he needs to win with it.
Moreover, firing the coach in mid-season is just flushing the season down the tubes. There's still a chance that they can make the playoffs with a terrible defense, although that chance seems to be diminishing each week. And even if they do make it, they'll get their asses handed to them. But if you fire Kubiak in mid-season, the team is finished.
So start warming up the interview skills for the off-season and just hope in the meantime. It's all we can do.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Sorry, but I'm calling BS. The Texans consistently prove one thing - that they make the other team look really great. New Texans marketing slogan should be "Reliant Stadium: Where Stars Are Made".
Certainly. As long as we don't have to endure 2 weeks of "Kubiak has the team moving in the right direction" threads.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
These posts are ****ing absurd.
The HC told you what the plan is. We're going with this young secondary, come hell or high water. He believes in them, & I believe he very well should. I'm loving Glover Quin in his second year. If Jackson can play to that level, we'll be set. I have faith that Jackson will. He's looking really good to me.
Gary believes in the guys we have. He believes they will get better. & we're 4-2.
Goatcheese
Texan
Hmm...
We're 4-2, 1st place in the division and undefeated in the AFC.
It's all on Kubiak.
We're 4-2, 1st place in the division and undefeated in the AFC.
It's all on Kubiak.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Chargers just got their All-Pro left tackle back from a holdout, and
their #1 receiver, Vincent Jackson, is expected to report to the team
from a holdout. So, by the time the Chargers play us, their offense
should be "full tilt."
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yep. And if Kubiak is as willing as you are to ignore in victory what he would not ignore in defeat, then I guess we'll see where that gets him, huh?
Like I said, this is his make-or-break year. Regardless, his decision-making has not improved this team's chances to win.
Goatcheese
Texan
My post will be the same no matter what happens.
If we end up 4-12 it will look like this:
Hmm...
We're 4-12, last place in the division and got our asses kicked in the AFC.
It's all on Kubiak.
I'm only watching the game right now, but so far I don't have any huge problems with the game. I did listen to the whole thing on the radio, but the first half looked pretty good to me.
If I remember the broadcast pretty well, the offense moved the ball a little, the great kick-off returner Vonta Leach got us in position to score 7 in the second qtr, & we gave up a late last minute TD.
No big deal, happens all the time.
Offense looked bad in the 3rd Qtr.. defense looked really bad in the 3rd Qtr (we lost Demeco early in the 3rd).
We scored 21 points in the 4th... if it were the NYGiants scoring 21 points in a single Qtr, it's excellent frek'n coaching. If it's the Texans, it's blind luck.
remember, stats are meaningless. Ws & Ls are the only thing that matters. You want to ***** about Kubiak losing 8 games this year, let's wait 'till he does.
that's all I'm saying.
Man.... Kubiak sure has this team moving in the right direction. Never give up, play till the whistle blows.... just do it. We must protect this house, it's in you........
yadda, yadda, yadda.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Yes. You're right. There WILL be balance. LOL
Showtime100
Got JJ?
The way I see it Kubiak is the head coach of the Texans and will be for the foreseeable future. Granted, the foreseeable future in the NFL is nor far but this is the deal right now.
I was disappointed when Kubiak's contract was upped but from that moment on all I can really do is ***** about draw plays on 3rd and 20. I think right now firing Kubes would do more harm than good.
If there is no Week 18 for this team I'm sure I will have plenty to say but for now this the hand dealt and so I will just have to live with it and hope for the best.
I was disappointed when Kubiak's contract was upped but from that moment on all I can really do is ***** about draw plays on 3rd and 20. I think right now firing Kubes would do more harm than good.
If there is no Week 18 for this team I'm sure I will have plenty to say but for now this the hand dealt and so I will just have to live with it and hope for the best.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
I mentioned this elsewhere and got no responses. I wonder if anyone else has noticed that between our Head Coach, DC, and OC, they have less than 6 years of experience in that coaching spot. Kubes has 4, Bush has 1, Dennison has 0.
Ultimately, in the NFL, you are what your record says you are. Still, last year we should have won a couple games we lost (Colts at home, Jags at home). This year, we have won one we should have lost (Skins) and very nearly another (Chiefs).
Here's what I'm saying. Last year we got unlucky in going 9-7. This year we are damn lucky to be 4-2 and the way we are playing right now, I won't be surprised to see us miss the playoffs again.
I don't think Kubiak should go because of where we are right now, but because of where I expect us to be in 10 weeks. Actually I think Kubiak has gotten as a HC, but his coaching team is abysmal, and that's what matters.
Ultimately, in the NFL, you are what your record says you are. Still, last year we should have won a couple games we lost (Colts at home, Jags at home). This year, we have won one we should have lost (Skins) and very nearly another (Chiefs).
Here's what I'm saying. Last year we got unlucky in going 9-7. This year we are damn lucky to be 4-2 and the way we are playing right now, I won't be surprised to see us miss the playoffs again.
I don't think Kubiak should go because of where we are right now, but because of where I expect us to be in 10 weeks. Actually I think Kubiak has gotten as a HC, but his coaching team is abysmal, and that's what matters.
Scooter
Funky
anybody remember the 2 win texans season? that's the roster kubiak started with, let that sink in before reading further.
kubiak has replaced every player on the roster but AJ, is sporting the youngest starting 22 in the league (again), and still may not have completed his coaching staff (if kubiak's here next season, marciano wont be without dramatic improvements). everyone here and in both local and national media talks about the great young talent we have ... that kubiak has brought in, while dumping salary, while somehow accumulating excess cap room, while holding onto draft picks. just about everyone short of the patriots, ravens, and steelers want to be able to build that well that fast ... and they've had a 30 year head start.
those two win texans i mentioned earlier? in under 5 seasons kubiak has a winning record already as a head coach. we're 4-2 heading into our bye week. we're leading arguably the toughest division in the NFL with a week to get healthy and return our starting LT.
our defense is getting destroyed, i get it. we live in houston and expect the worst, i get it. to be bitching about where we are now, especially after a win where we fought until the final seconds is absolutely absurd.
kubiak has replaced every player on the roster but AJ, is sporting the youngest starting 22 in the league (again), and still may not have completed his coaching staff (if kubiak's here next season, marciano wont be without dramatic improvements). everyone here and in both local and national media talks about the great young talent we have ... that kubiak has brought in, while dumping salary, while somehow accumulating excess cap room, while holding onto draft picks. just about everyone short of the patriots, ravens, and steelers want to be able to build that well that fast ... and they've had a 30 year head start.
those two win texans i mentioned earlier? in under 5 seasons kubiak has a winning record already as a head coach. we're 4-2 heading into our bye week. we're leading arguably the toughest division in the NFL with a week to get healthy and return our starting LT.
our defense is getting destroyed, i get it. we live in houston and expect the worst, i get it. to be bitching about where we are now, especially after a win where we fought until the final seconds is absolutely absurd.
eriadoc
Texan-American
OK, now that it's sunk in, let me offer a bit of alternative perspective on that.
1.) This is Kubiak's team. He built it, he chooses who plays, and he's responsible for the result.
2.) Take a look at other teams in the NFL that have rebuilt their roster in similar timeframes and check their results. Sure, you have teams like the Saints, but you also have teams like the Falcons and Dolphins and now the Chiefs. Coaches don't get 5 years in this league without making the playoffs. Other teams can get there, so we damn sure need to expect it from ours.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Oh, I'm not suggesting that the Texans fire him in mid season. That would be a waste of time, because it would never happen any way. Although, that wouldn't bother me one bit, because at least I wouldn't have to worry about a playoff appearance saving his job and getting him a longer extension which it certainly will if the Texans make the playoffs. I can't stand Kubes, but I'm forced to root for him and this team with zero confidence that he'll ever take them to the SB and we've got a good enough roster to get there right now if we had the right HC to lead them.
This team is still the same inconsistent team that they were last season though. When physical teams punch them in the mouth, the Texans fold. They play for half a game, and it's just awful to watch an uninspired team that's such a reflection on their HC. This offense bails Gary's ineptitude out time and time again. Kubiak reminds me a lot of Mack brown, but at least Brown went out and got the best defensive mind in the country that could camoflouge him and GD's awful offensive play calling. Gary went with Frank Bush after Smith.
Livid13
Waterboy
Come on guys/gals, please feel free to pile on without any retribution. WHY, WHY does this thread exist ? We're 4-2 , on top of the division and can beat the Jags, Titans and Indy.......TWICE. I know this is a board comprised of VERY intelligent and savvy fans, but come ON. YES, this team is horrid on defense. YES, we are an extremely inconsistant club, but we won a game today that we HAD to have. I get tired of reading all of the half hearted compliments to the team as a whole and the downright JADED comments of weary TEXANS fans. Feel free to point out bone headed coaching decisions, poor play (at times) and an overall malaise. Just remember how you all felt when we lost our OLD franchise and how thrilled you were to get a second chance in the NFL. I'm not saying go tripping all over yourselves with blind optimisim, but we have won games that would have been losses in years past. How about some unbridled love, if for only an afternoon ? In closing, "SCORE BOARD" !
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Scooter's little statement about remembering 2 wins is exactly what I was talking about earlier about fans expectations and the front office's expectations. People are so afraid of what they were under Capers, that Kubiak's average seasons and inconsistencies are acceptable. All of his problems as a HC get ignored. If the Texans do make the playoffs most of the fans will act like we won a SB even if we get blown out as a WIldcard team and play uninspired. Making the playoffs will get this team a parade probably. This team's utter failures from the Capers era unfortunately has dropped expectations big time.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I agree with this, as I pointed out earlier. You're a fool and/or being deliberately obtuse to ignore the obvious signs that people in this thread are arguing. So I'll tell you what: you go on thinking exactly what you posted, and we'll just revisit that at the end of the season. This thread's not going anywhere, because Kubiak's not doing anything to make it go anywhere.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
You do know that same roster won SEVEN games the year before, right?
Quit using 2-10 to justify Kubiak being stuck-in-place.
Rate him on RESULTS. 6-4 over the next 10 gets you into the playoffs..
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Again, how many years are we going to hear excuses like this from certain fans? What the hell does the Oilers leaving have to do with poor coaching right now? Every season we go through this where certain fans say "remember how it was when Capers was here" or "remember what happened when we lost our team?" I mean some of you act like we'll lose the team for demanding better coaching. What the hell? How long will it be before people stop trying to compare everything to the Capers era or bringing up Bud Adams leaving this town as a reason for why no one should dare to bring up the problems that still exist under Kubiak as a HC?
Livid13
Waterboy
What would you have ? Seriously, in all honesty, what do you want to happen ?
awtysst
Draft Guru
Ah, there's the rub!
Its easy to call for someone's head, but who do you replace him with?
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
No need to feign ignorance. Some of us want our team to actually play
for the big prize now-and-then. The days of being "the best non-winning
team in the NFL," and enjoying it, are over. Kubiak's inconsistent team
is the same bunch we've watched since he got here.
Being better than the worst head coach/GM-pairing in team history, ain't
good enough to keep Kubiak around if he doesn't produce. No one can
tell their boss "I may not meet the company standard, but I'm better than
that LAST guy" and expect to keep their job.
Kubiak being better than Dom Capers isn't the standard. Playoffs and
championships are the standard. The fans at Reliant won't let
Bob Mcnair forget that.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, personally I don't fault McNair for hiring Kubiak. Sometimes you give an up-and-coming coordinator a job. In Kubiak's case, someone was going to, for sure. However, when Richard Smith was fired, Frank Bush was promoted. That's kind of like when Capers fired Palmer as OC and then promoted the O-Line coach to OC. Absurd. Then, after it was pretty clear last year that the team consistently came out inconsistent, Kubiak should have been let go. Since he was kept, I want to see him play solid, winning football with the team he built.
I'm getting wins, but not winning football, and definitely not solid football. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, so I'm happy about that, but only a fool continues to rely on luck. It's not hard to determine trends from Kubiak's tenure, and you'd have to be a fool to ignore trends.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Easy answer is you replace Richard Smith with Gregg Williams, which is exactly what a ton of posters on this board wanted. Instead, you got a guy that had contributed to the prior crappy defense promoted to being in charge of a crappy defense.
Scooter
Funky
1 ... i assume no sane fan will hold 2006 against him, and since then kubiak is 29-25 and currently leading the division (after being robbed out of a playoff birth last season). even with all of my reasons and excuses, that's the result. i know "Not For Long", and i absolutely hate it - especially with a team this young and with our potential tied directly to kubiak. but the result is positive.
2 ... no team has had our turnover. each team mentioned had (has) core pieces in place and were in better position to add players. parcells went to miami with an aged but veteran team and brought key free agents and coaches with him - it took 3 seasons to get "kubiak's" defensive coordinator and 5 to get his offensive coordinator. sure it sucks as a fan to take so long, but i'll be a fan tomorrow and 10 years from tomorrow. my perspective follows that timeline, this team is being built too well and is moving forward too well to get off of the ride - no matter how bumpy.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This sums up his tenure in a nutshell Eriodic. Very accurate way to describe it. Repped big time for the description.
Scooter
Funky
actually my little statement was to illustrate exactly what kubiak has done to get to the 4-2 record (division leader, heading into the bye to get healthy and fix some of these problems) that you and others are complaining about. fans like many read in this post and the largest portion of most gameday threads would ***** for days about the things we did wrong while winning a superbowl. "we'll never repeat because we only ran for 70 yards in this superbowl!!!", fire kubiak! or some other nonsense ... only slightly more absurd than your great parade for making the playoffs.
13-9 in the past season and a half, after being absolutely robbed of a playoff birth, and some raise hell to fire the head coach of the youngest starting 22 in the league. i guess where we are NOW, where we were LAST SEASON, and where i think WE WILL BE are no match for where we'll inevitably be according to those here.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!! 
Fire Kubiak!!!
Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!
Fire Kubiak!!! Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!
Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!!
Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!
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