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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread
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Goldensilence
hipster elite
Well, would've been nice to see sort of adjustments in the Giants and Cowboys games. Instead I saw us get our ass kicked by two mediocre coaching staffs.
I was excited about the DC win, but in truth, we got lucky.
Offensively we're out of sync. Defensively our secondary is killing us. I just hope that with Cushing getting more reps with the other starters that the defense will look better as time goes on like usual.
Blake
MMQB
I understand how you feel. I was just replying to GP's statement that the Texans are unable to adjust.
And I will have to disagree that "we got lucky." The Texans executed the gameplan on offense and earned the win. Lucky would be our right tackle performing a choke hold on the OLB on the last plays of the game. Twice. lol @ Alex Barron.
I disregard argument that says this. Watch the games, & you'll see it's not true. Pass coverage is killing us, but it's definitely not the secondary. Even with Kj back there, his mistakes aren't the ones killing us.
Every team makes plays to the WRs, that's what they are supposed to do, so I don't over-react to one or two mistakes by Kj.
Lbs are killing us. You saw Cushing get a hand on a ball. Prior to the Giants game, Adibi is the only other LB to tip a ball, or be anywhere close to a ball thrown by a QB. Even Demeco's tip to Nolan in the Raiders game wasn't until the ball had already hit Murphy.
Watch other teams, see how many times LBs in coverage do their job & make it difficult for a QB to complete passes.
We don't have the best secondary in the league, but we don't have the worse either. Our zone coverages are crap & the CBs are doing a good job there... our safeties slightly worse, & our LBs are just terrible.
Like you said, I hope that changes with Cushing. But if he's the only LB who can attack the QB & defend the pass, I only see it getting slightly better.
HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
Damn.
I thought this thread just popped back up earlier this week when the loss was still fresh in our minds. I'm known to not let **** go but even I moved on lol. I see it's still going strong.
I have to say that as my comments prove I am not yet in the "Fire Kubiak" club and have no pink soap, more crapfests like last week will continue to sway that position.
This team is too talented sans the secondary not to win now.
I thought this thread just popped back up earlier this week when the loss was still fresh in our minds. I'm known to not let **** go but even I moved on lol. I see it's still going strong.
I have to say that as my comments prove I am not yet in the "Fire Kubiak" club and have no pink soap, more crapfests like last week will continue to sway that position.
This team is too talented sans the secondary not to win now.
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Ckw
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*Thanks God above that some members of this board or just that, and not in the Texans organization*
Idiots!!!
Bill, I have a couple of sincere questions for you that I hope you will take the time to answer.
1. Do you think five years is enough time to get it right?
2. Do you think Kubiak is the man for the job and will be the coach to get us to the promised land? If yes, then continue calling everyone that wants Kubiak gone an idi0t.
3. Can you think of 8 games in the last two seasons where Kubiak has outcoached his opponent? I'm not talking about luck of the draw like the Washington game when we not only got lucky with Pollard blocking the field goal, not only got lucky with Andre making his miracle catch, and not only got lucky with Gano missing field goal try #2 in OT. I am talking about games like the Colts game this year or the Titans game last year.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
meh.....the fact of the matter is the Texans are still an inconsistent team just like they were when Kubiak got here. They are just a more talented inconsistent team now.
The Texans have what it takes to win the AFC South if they so desire. The question remains how badly do "they" (players, coaches, front office) desire it. So far this year they've been doing what they've been doing since BEFORE Kubiak and Smith arrived; sometimes they show up for the game sometimes they don't.
The Texans have what it takes to win the AFC South if they so desire. The question remains how badly do "they" (players, coaches, front office) desire it. So far this year they've been doing what they've been doing since BEFORE Kubiak and Smith arrived; sometimes they show up for the game sometimes they don't.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Executed the game plan? Which involved falling behind big in the first half and having Matt killed?
Part of was decent run defense the other part was DC unable to run the ball. Not to mention it took a heave throw on 4th and ten resulting ina jump ball that thankfully AJ managed to come down with.
Look I'll an ugly win anyday, but to think we went in and executed a game plan the entire game just isn't what my eyes saw that day.
They have shown they have the ability to adjust, but can't seem to be consistent on it. Same thing with Gary being able to manage a game.
Agree on our Lbers. I've said repeatedly that I like Diles, but his lack of foot speed is killing us over the middle. I'd really like to see him moved to the middle if the Staff just insists that Diles, Ryans, Cushing is really the best 3 we're got. I just know that isn't going to happen though.
I'm ust hoping more than anything that with Cushing back and getting reps we can have a LBer that can hold down the TE from completely killing us and he's the best pass rushing LBer as well.
Biggest problem is that its really not going to matter who lines up against Jackson, teams are going to target who he is covering. Athletically I think the guy has the tools to be good, just I think the staff made a big mistake in throwing him in the fire right away.
Actually, I believe McCain gets targeted even more, even though he is only in on Nickel situations.
Also the Giants game, we looked rely good on defense, when they were fresh. If we can move the ball on offense, I don't care how as long as we take time off the clock, I don't think or defense, any part of it, will be a liability.
Blake
MMQB
GS, when did I say that the Texans went in and executed a game plan the ENTIRE game? I simply said that they executed the offensive game plan, and made the plays that it took to win the game. You call it lucky. But I call it timely execution. We finally got our **** together and made some plays.
And I dont consider the 4th and 10 play to AJ as luck either. It was a top 10 QB throwing to the #1 WR in the league. Ill take my chances with that. Especially against Doughty.
I am all for holding people accountable for their actions. But when they make a good play you cant just cast it aside and say it was luck! Unless you like being a pessimist.
Blake
MMQB
I will add to this that I feel that a defense is going to get defalted fast when hey see their offense struggle that much. Kind of like, "here we go again." There are only a few defenses good enough to play lights out all 60 minutes. And they aint from Houston. If our offense can keep them fresh, and give them hope, I think our defense can make some plays.
Is that really proof of adjusting, or did guys just play better?
You have a 4th down 'miracle' catch by AJ in the endzone, and you also have a blocked FG by Pollard, and you also have their FG kicker miss a game winning FG...
I didn't feel good after that win and I don't feel good about it now.
I'm happy we won, but I'm not happy about how we won. Washington had to really screw up in the end, and we had to make some unbelievable plays to win that game. That's not a good combo.
TK, the offense is not going to be on fire every week.
I would like to be able to actually win a game 13-10 every once in a while.
They are two separate units and even though they can help each other out, you can't out the blame on the offense because the defense wasn't "rested".
They can cause 3 and outs just like the opponents D can cause 3 and outs. Problem is, they don't do that often enough.
281
Veteran
i hope you mean "adversity"
houstonspartan
All Pro
lmao!!!!!!!!
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
With our offense out of synch more than it has been in years, I'm looking at our new offensive coordinator, not Kubiak.
Same goes for Gibbs.
Same goes for Gibbs.
I'm not disagreeing. Our defense sucked Sunday. 21 points in the first Qtr, 34 points overall. That aint going to get it on any Sunday.
My post was mainly to point out that the defense looked good in spurts. We have reason to be optimistic. It was originally in reply to another post saying they didn't have one good stand the entire game.
It's always someone else's fault. The coordinators. The assistants. The players. It's never on Gary Kubiak. He's just the head coach.
Well, since this is the guy Kubiak wanted, it's definitely on him. If this were Mike Singletary, who probably took what he thought was the best available (I don't know if Singletary was able to pick "his" guy).. then I wouldn't blame the HC, I'd blame the OC.... like Garrett in Dallas, Wade shouldn't be blamed for that situation.
But yes, this time if it's the OC, it's on Kubiak & he'll tell you so.
Kubiak will certainly tell you so. It's just that nobody wants to believe him.
vtech9
All Pro
The calls by the OC and DC are on them, but the choosing of those coordinators is on Kubiak. What is also on Kubiak is not getting onto those coordinators for not making the adjustments needed to overcome adversity.
IMHO, I think the Defense has played pretty damned good when we put pressure on the QB AND our secondary is Man on Man. If we get pressure on the QB with our 4 man front, all the better, but if we can't, we need to start blitzing more.
Our Secondary being good is dependant on getting pressure on the QB. However, it doesn't matter how much pressure we put on the QB if the Secondary is playing a soft zone, and gives the QB an open target to dump it off to.
IMHO, I think the Defense has played pretty damned good when we put pressure on the QB AND our secondary is Man on Man. If we get pressure on the QB with our 4 man front, all the better, but if we can't, we need to start blitzing more.
Our Secondary being good is dependant on getting pressure on the QB. However, it doesn't matter how much pressure we put on the QB if the Secondary is playing a soft zone, and gives the QB an open target to dump it off to.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
If Jackson is playing well in the second half of the season then the decision to start him will look a lot better than it does now. That's the gamble they took. If we are 4-2 at the bye and the young secondary begins to gel, then this will be a very different conversation as we head throug November. I'm not predicting it... but, that is what the coaches are thinking.
And if Jackson looks the same and we are 3-3 at the bye after being 3-1 after four games, then people will say the sky is falling.
Neither one would really be a proven statement, but what we do know is what they have shown so far.
What they have shown is the propensity to have total team wide breakdowns.
That, and I can pretty much guarantee that the opposing QB will have a great day.
Honestly I'm still optimistic about this team but it is tempered somewhat.
The team has done some good things. The defense has done some good things.
I actually am not as down on Kareem as a lot of people are. I think he will be a good corner for us. If not by the end of this year, definitely next year. I like his open field tackling and even though he has gotten beat he is normally right there on the receiver. I think the pass rush is hampered by the fact that opposing QB's are able to hit their back foot and let the ball come out. They rarely have to hold onto the ball for long, and when they do we normally make things happen up front and on the back end.
What I am not optimistic about is the intensity and focus we bring each Sunday come game time. I just don't believe we will get that corrected any time soon. We may be able to win some games in spite of that, but more often than not it will lead to a loss.
I think we can beat the Chiefs this Sunday, but I just don't have a good feeling about this game..
Goatcheese
Texan
We're 3-2, tied for 1st and undefeated in the AFC south. It's all on Kubiak.
Dwade
Waterboy
And we got destroyed by a 1-3 Dallas team, and demolished by a Giant's team that lost to the Colts...
And we destroyed a 3-2 Colts team that destroyed the Giants, and beat a Washington team that destroyed the cowgurls.
Welcome to the NFL.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
That is some typical bullshite from someone that apparently doesn't pay attention.
You're not expecting common sense are you?
I don't feel good about either of those wins other than the fact that they were wins.
About the only thing we had going for us against the Colts was the running game.
Against the Skins,we sucked for most of the game but we had quite a few late game heroics and some lucky balls bounce our way.
I'm glad we got the win, but under Kubiak I've seen too many games like the Giants, Cowboys and the Saints in the pre-season.
For some reason, this team just don't not come out ready to play every Sunday like a professional franchise should. I've been a big kubiak supporter, and I would still hate to have to get on the band wagon that wants to see him go, but this stuff is getting old.
There is no reason for us to play as poorly as we have played in some games this year. I don't care how bad the secondary is, we should not be giving up this many yards.
Simple things like putting the corners up on the WR and not conceding 6-7 yard receptions reflects on the D-coordinator and head coach. Not being able to move the ball with the offensive talent we have reflects on the O-coordinator and head coach. Poor special teams play reflects poorly on the Special teams coordinator and the head coach.
What do all of those deficiencies have in common?
That's right, the common denominator is the head coach.
I'm hoping Kubes can get his stuff together and get his team to play like a professional franchise on a weekly basis, but honestly it's not looking too good right now.
I think our defense came to play. There was a lot of energy, & they were playing fast IMHO... too fast.
Schaub has came out slow every game this year. I think that is a real issue. The game against the Seahawks in 2009 is the only "fast start" I can recall right now.
Owen Daniels looked great against the Giants. I hope he'll help us get off to a fast start the rest of the season.
I'm also still very impressed with Dressen. With those two tightends, I don't see how we could ever get off to a slow start. They are both very adequate blockers & they both have soft hands. The defense should never be able to tell which tight end is going to do what.
Our 2 TE sets should be deadly.
I have never... ever... ever,ever ever seen a game where the CBs did not give cushion. I have never seen a game where both corners played press coverage the entire game.
I think there is a reason for that.
Maybe we do it more than other teams...... I won't argue that. But that's basic defense & is in every teams play book.
Not saying press the corners the entire game. Not even saying press them at all. Just saying play them a little closer and not concede easy yards a majority of the time.
If I'm a QB and I know that your are going to play that soft zone and give my receivers a 6-7 yard cushion even when it's short yardage to go, I'm going to take that all day.
Go back and look at the Giants game...Before the announcers even said anything about how silly the Texans D looked playing that soft zone for the whole first half, I was wondering what kind of coach Kubiak really was.
Look at the play by play...Eli wasn't throwing deep over the middle. He was throwing short and intermediate passes outside of the hashes. This has long been a problem with this defense. They go into a mode where they just allow the opposing QB to have easy underneath passes.
In the second half you see we started to play up on the receivers some and 'coincidentally' we started getting more pressure on Eli and more forced throws.
I just can't understand playing your corner back 6 yards off the LOS when the offense only needs two yards for a first down. Makes absolutely no sense...especially if you have safety help over the top.
But I never said anything about pressing the corners or playing them a certain way for the whole game. The whole point is to mix it up. Pressing the whole game will get you beat just as bad as playing off the whole game.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Took the words right out of my mouth. I wish just once I could see a game where the D did play press coverage a LOT just to see what happens.
I hate listening to what the commentators say.... especially Ron Jaworski or Chris Collinsworth. They yap & yap & prove they don't really understand the game as much as they should.
Now if it were Gruden or Madden (& there are a couple more that know what they are talking about, but not many).
This is the beginning of the second Qtr
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Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This year our special teams are worse. Our pass rush is worse. Our secondary is waaaaay worse. Our offense is worse.
Every year I defend Kubiak. I'm now convinced this is his last year.
Every year I defend Kubiak. I'm now convinced this is his last year.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
FIRE HIM NOW!
This team has horrible execution and no discipline. Both of those reflect directly to coaching. I was on the fence, but this game has pushed me over the edge. Heads need to roll. It'sa probably not smart to fire your head coach or one of the coordinators mid season, but it sure as hell would send a message. Maybe not a smart message, but a message none the less.
I'm PISSED!
bckey
All Pro
If what Steve Tasker said that Kubiak said is true then Kubiak is even more hard headed and stubborn than I thought. He said he is going to live or die with the young secondary. You can't expect this offense to win every game from behind all season long. Kubiak is arrogant to think his offense is that good. Kubiak needs to go. He should have been gone after last season. Whether the Texans win or lose this game doesn't matter. This Texans team will not go anywhere with a defense like this. And how do you go into a game with 4 linebacker total? Kubiak just doesn't think like or make decisions like an experienced NFL coach.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
This team has been this way the entire time that Kubes has been here. I've never liked this guy as a HC, and I really hope that he's gone after this season, but I doubt it. Mcnair loves the guy and they were acting like they won a SB last season when they went 9-7 by beating a Pats team that wasn't even hardly into it and we still missed the playoffs.
We had a great shot at Cowher in the off season of last year, and blew it. Now we'll probably have to watch Cowher on the sidelines of the Cowboys next season or possibly the Giants if they end up faltering against this season. Other than Cowher there really aren't that many great candidates that jump off the page really. Gruden is probably the next best name out there, but I wouldn't want Gruden at all personally.
The good thing is that the Texans HC job would be one of the most attractive HC vacancies in the league if Bob ever grew a pair of balls to actually fire the guy.
We had a great shot at Cowher in the off season of last year, and blew it. Now we'll probably have to watch Cowher on the sidelines of the Cowboys next season or possibly the Giants if they end up faltering against this season. Other than Cowher there really aren't that many great candidates that jump off the page really. Gruden is probably the next best name out there, but I wouldn't want Gruden at all personally.
The good thing is that the Texans HC job would be one of the most attractive HC vacancies in the league if Bob ever grew a pair of balls to actually fire the guy.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
True, but I don't care about the name. The HC for the Chiefs was a newbie and he gets his guys up to play. That's our problem.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Well Haley had been a hot coordinator for a while. He was always known as a very hard nosed no nonsense HC. He was the one HC in Dallas that told TO to go **** himself.
Kubes is a guy that needs to be a coordinator. Not a HC.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
The offense saved Kubiak's job today.
Still I am OVER his playcalling and the defenses ineptness.
Still I am OVER his playcalling and the defenses ineptness.
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