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Mr.Scarface

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They did last night. LOL

I believe after next season they can get out of Jimmy G's contract fairly easily.
Patrick Mahomes is the fastest to get to 90 Passing TD's in NFL History in 37 games (Marino - 40 games). Where is Watson? 84 Passing TDs in 44 games. So, He will probably be top 5 for quickest to 90 passing TDs and then 100 TDs. I think Watson will have the record for fastest to 100 career Passing/Rushing TDs combined on his next TD.

Edit: Mahomes has 97 Total TDs. So, Deshaun may get there first...but Mahomes will get there faster when he gets to 100.
 

steelbtexan

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Patrick Mahomes is the fastest to get to 90 Passing TD's in NFL History in 37 games (Marino - 40 games). Where is Watson? 84 Passing TDs in 44 games. So, He will probably be top 5 for quickest to 90 passing TDs and then 100 TDs. I think Watson will have the record for fastest to 100 career Passing/Rushing TDs combined on his next TD.

Edit: Mahomes has 97 Total TDs. So, Deshaun may get there first...but Mahomes will get there faster when he gets to 100.
Man the offense must really suck with those numbers. If he only had a better playcaller he would have 150 TD's by now.
 

steelbtexan

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BTW, the problem with the offense was the play calling. O'Brien was too conservative, and lacked adjustments. He was stubborn with the run game and many times lacked creativity.
Agreed, like I said with a good playcaller DW4 would've thrown 150 TD's according to some and they still wouldn't have won a darn thing.
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans 4-3...Post OB!!!!!
Agreed, like I said with a good playcaller DW4 would've thrown 150 TD's according to some and they still wouldn't have won a darn thing.
Got any teams in mind that may have had 3-4 quality players on the entire team and won or lost a Super Bowl? Not to mention, got there with a HC and coaching staff like OB and his staff?
 

steelbtexan

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Got any teams in mind that may have had 3-4 quality players on the entire team and won or lost a Super Bowl? Not to mention, got there with a HC and coaching staff like OB and his staff?
My point is DW4 couldn't have those kinds of stats if BOB was as awful as some on this MB makes him out to be. Is BOB a championship level HC? Nope Is BOB a bottom feeder HC? Nope He's an avg HC and it was past time to move on from BOB. 51-7
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans 4-3...Post OB!!!!!
My point is DW4 couldn't have those kinds of stats if BOB was as awful as some on this MB makes him out to be. Is BOB a championship level HC? Nope Is BOB a bottom feeder HC? Nope He's an avg HC and it was past time to move on from BOB. 51-7
I could say the same about Watson but you just have no desire to look at the whole picture when trying to hold a single player accountable in a 34 player assessment. How many times has Watson handed the defense the lead only to watch a complete breakdown and the opposing team drives the field for the win?

As for OB.....that's extremely generous, giving him "avg" as an assessment. I saw him in that 24-32 group.
 

76Texan

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My point is DW4 couldn't have those kinds of stats if BOB was as awful as some on this MB makes him out to be. Is BOB a championship level HC? Nope Is BOB a bottom feeder HC? Nope He's an avg HC and it was past time to move on from BOB. 51-7
BOB is awful no matter how you slice it.
Some people around here like to claim that the players quit on Kubiak.
Well, guess what?
The players helped show OB the door.

0-4 is definitely worse than 2-14, isn't it?
 

76Texan

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We spent days arguing over a Watson INT that was basically a punt. Can you imagine having a selection of 88 INTs to argue over?
:pursefight:
Haha, right.

"They" like to say Watson takes too many sacks and praise Tannehill as the better QB, but they don't even realize that his sack pct. is way higher than that of Watson.
And that's with a better offensive line (based on both professional opinions and data crunching by certain outfits that "they" themselves regard highly).
Not even mentioning the WCO "they" knew well from Kubiak; "they" even said/agreed that it's a QB-friendly system.

Oh, what irony.
 

JB

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Haha, right.

"They" like to say Watson takes too many sacks and praise Tannehill as the better QB, but they don't even realize that his sack pct. is way higher than that of Watson.
And that's with a better offensive line (based on both professional opinions and data crunching by certain outfits that "they" themselves regard highly).
Not even mentioning the WCO "they" knew well from Kubiak; "they" even said/agreed that it's a QB-friendly system.

Oh, what irony.
Since when did one become "they"?
 

steelbtexan

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BOB is awful no matter how you slice it.
Some people around here like to claim that the players quit on Kubiak.
Well, guess what?
The players helped show OB the door.

0-4 is definitely worse than 2-14, isn't it?
Agreed about the players quitting


BOB was not awful, he was avg.

Just another case of you trying skew the numbers and no 0-4 isn't as bad as 2-14. You're trying to hard.
 

steelbtexan

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Haha, right.

"They" like to say Watson takes too many sacks and praise Tannehill as the better QB, but they don't even realize that his sack pct. is way higher than that of Watson.
And that's with a better offensive line (based on both professional opinions and data crunching by certain outfits that "they" themselves regard highly).
Not even mentioning the WCO "they" knew well from Kubiak; "they" even said/agreed that it's a QB-friendly system.

Oh, what irony.
All I know is Tannehill drove his team the length of the field for a game tying TD with less than 2:00 with no TO's and threw for 350 yds. His play speaks for itself and he's been quite good and very consistent this yr.

This is another case of the numbers geeks trying to skew the numbers to make some twisted case.
 

steelbtexan

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Maybe your humour is a little dry?
:ahhaha:

Or maybe I need clarification all the time?
Or maybe that post was kind of hard to tell that you were trying to be funny. BTW, if people dont get the humor that attempt wasn't funny.
 

thunderkyss

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Maybe your humour is a little dry?
:ahhaha:

Or maybe I need clarification all the time?
Amazing80 said

Watson is number 3 in passing yards on the season. Even after a rough start with OB.
So I replied

Signed Jamies Winston
As Jamies Winston was constantly among the passing leaders, implying passing yards alone doesn't make a person a good QB (I happen to be one of the ones who believe Watson is a good QB, just don't think his passing yards is a good barometer for that, just like all the TDs Watson's thrown in a short amount of time does not mean BO'b was a good HC).

Your reply about Winston's interceptions was totally irrelevant to the conversation. Had Amazing80 said, look at Watson's TD/Int ratio, then it would. But since he didn't, & I didn't...... it doesn't.

Or maybe that post was kind of hard to tell that you were trying to be funny. BTW, if people dont get the humor that attempt wasn't funny.
I wasn't trying to be funny. The point was being a passing leader doesn't apply to what Amazing80 was trying to imply.
 

steelbtexan

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Amazing80 said



So I replied



As Jamies Winston was constantly among the passing leaders, implying passing yards alone doesn't make a person a good QB (I happen to be one of the ones who believe Watson is a good QB, just don't think his passing yards is a good barometer for that, just like all the TDs Watson's thrown in a short amount of time does not mean BO'b was a good HC).

Your reply about Winston's interceptions was totally irrelevant to the conversation. Had Amazing80 said, look at Watson's TD/Int ratio, then it would. But since he didn't, & I didn't...... it doesn't.
Thanks for spelling it out for him.

You shouldn't have to do this.
 

thunderkyss

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All I know is Tannehill drove his team the length of the field for a game tying TD with less than 2:00 with no TO's and threw for 350 yds. His play speaks for itself and he's been quite good and very consistent this yr.

This is another case of the numbers geeks trying to skew the numbers to make some twisted case.
But Watson's done the same thing before... well, the defense spit the bit, but Watson's done pretty much the same thing. More than once. Did you see the 2 play 75 yard drive that put us up 30-29?
 

76Texan

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Amazing80 said



So I replied



As Jamies Winston was constantly among the passing leaders, implying passing yards alone doesn't make a person a good QB (I happen to be one of the ones who believe Watson is a good QB, just don't think his passing yards is a good barometer for that, just like all the TDs Watson's thrown in a short amount of time does not mean BO'b was a good HC).

Your reply about Winston's interceptions was totally irrelevant to the conversation. Had Amazing80 said, look at Watson's TD/Int ratio, then it would. But since he didn't, & I didn't...... it doesn't.



I wasn't trying to be funny. The point was being a passing leader doesn't apply to what Amazing80 was trying to imply.
I figured everything was implied.
He was just mentioning a part of it.

I never even thought for a moment that yardage alone is a measuring stick; you know me, skeptical of stats and such.
 

OptimisticTexan

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All I know is Tannehill drove his team the length of the field for a game tying TD with less than 2:00 with no TO's and threw for 350 yds. His play speaks for itself and he's been quite good and very consistent this yr.

This is another case of the numbers geeks trying to skew the numbers to make some twisted case.
In comparing Watson and Tannehill, wouldn't you rather compare his numbers while with the Dolphins versus the luck he got when traded to the Titans? Watson didn't get the opportunity to get traded to the Patriots, Bears, or any other relavent team.....he got stuck with that below avg team and HC/OC, O"Brien.
 

Double Barrel

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Could be both actually. We saw this with Schaub in the past where we as fans didn't think he had "permission" to audible and Schaub through his radio show on monday mornings a few times explained to us that he in fact could audible...What he didn't go into specifics about however was how much lattitude Kubiak gave him in audibling..in which case as we all suspected, was probably rather limited. In fact, most likely b/c the more you change the harder it is to keep all players on offense on the same page. It takes a **** ton of communication to be able to do it.
There was a great interview on 610 with Sage Rosenfels a few years ago that went into depth about Kubiak's offense. I looked for it but they have the page and it's not on there anymore.

He said it is a very QB friendly offense. They were given three audibles to work with at the LOS, but it was very basic stuff. The offense was not complicated on purpose. Kubiak wants his players to react instead of overthink.

****Edit: I might have found it from 2014: Rosenfels: The O’Brien Offensive System Harder To Get Down Than The Kubiak System (I'm listening now. . .)

****2nd Edit: The second interview touched on it, but was not the one I remember. The interview I was looking for was about an hour and went into depth. I wish they still had it up.

You missed my point. I'm not saying that it should not be about T-E-A-M. I'm saying these are grown men. Going through the halls at NRG and removing player records, awards or whatever that was on the walls is amateurish. Why not remove their names from the jerseys too.

Just my opinion, it just seems silly and time could be spent on other more productive things like designing screen plays. The players are on social media, they see commercials, they are mentioned on ESPN and NFL network. These are grown men. Treat them like men, professionals.
That's a coach that can talk the talk but could not walk the walk. Or, as they say in Texans, he was all hat and no cattle.

Another great thread has been derailed
Yep, this is why we can't have nice things. idonno:

Reminds me of guys that have to fart on elevators. They either can't seem to help themselves, and/or, they like the smell.
 
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leebigeztx

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I didn't have a problem with the trade because if they would've drafted a LT they would've had to trade two 1sts to get up high enough to draft a LT that could start as a rookie and there would be no guarantee that the rookie would ever be as good as Tunsil already is. The contract is a result of getting a proven LT.

What I want to know is why Howard has regressed so badly. Devlin has to go. The OL has talent but is missing something and I think that something is the OL is thinking too much instead of thinking about kicking the guy across from them azz on a regular basis.
We don't agree alot, but Devlin getting gone is one. Scharping has hustled backwards too.
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans 4-3...Post OB!!!!!
If anything they are relevant because of Tannehill.

I understand David Henry stirs the koolaid, but nobody was worried about the Titans before Tannehill.
Derek Henry finally started producing at the same time Tannehill arrived. The talent on the team got much better while Tannehill has been on board. Timing and getting the pieces to the puzzle are crucial......Texans, I believe they were dyslexic and never quite understood how to put a puzzle together.
 

Earl34

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Out of curiosity, any posters want to debate/refute the points being made by two different evaluators of Watson's play in posts #143 and #144?

Does it change anyone's opinion on if Watson can or cannot read defenses or stay in the pocket or throw with timing and anticipation?
 

Texansballer74

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Derek Henry finally started producing at the same time Tannehill arrived. The talent on the team got much better while Tannehill has been on board. Timing and getting the pieces to the puzzle are crucial......Texans, I believe they were dyslexic and never quite understood how to put a puzzle together.
Their offensive line got much better. That’s where it all starts. In the trenches.
 


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