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The Actual and Real 2017 Texans Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

jradMIT said:
Why would he be the next Graham Harrell? Harrell went undrafted and had nowhere near the talent of Mahomes but put up just as impressive if not moreso numbers. Its not about the numbers its about his arm and accuracy.
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In Houston, it's more than that. It's about mentality, the eagerness to be coached hard and not let criticism get to you. I have no idea who that guy is in this draft. O'Brien apparently has the ability to shatter confidence in quarterbacks that don't have thick skin. Either O'Brien needs to change or they need to get lucky in the draft.
 
Cincinnati has gone over the clock. They are trying to overhaul their LB corps. I nominate Jarrad Davis as the pick.
 
They could use a WR too.

Zay Jones (A favorite of mine) or Curtis Samuel would look pretty good opposite AJ Green. As would Foreman at RB.

Davis is a great player and I could get on board with that pick.

Just throwing it out there.
 
Good pick for Bengals by picking Davis. They need to add pieces to their LB corp and upgrade their D. OL especially at OT and OG would also help.
 
With the 42nd pick in the 2017 TT Draft, the New Orleans Saints select, WR - Zay Jones, East Carolina

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After addressing some Defensive needs with the first two picks, the Saints give Brees a weapon. The Saints need a WR after losing Cooks, this kid can flat out catch. Also thought about TE here, I'm not sold on the Saints TE's but Brees likes to chuck downfield most of the time so TE here would be a little early.

Per Draftek:
A personable, polished and gifted performer who completed record-breaking career as one of the premier pass catchers in NCAA history … Owns FBS, American Athletic Conference and ECU career (399) and single-season (158) standards in receptions … A Fred Biletnikoff Award, William V. Campbell Trophy and Senior CLASS Award Finalist in 2016 … Was also formally recognized as a Heisman Trophy candidate by the Heisman Trust
 
TexansFTW said:
It does for me to an extent. I'm not doubting his arm strength, but yeah, I definitely doubt his QB makeup.

Yall ever see a Tech offensive play? It's misdirection galore. 5+ guys running routes and crossing and picking each other. No Big 12 defense AKA Big Joke of a defense is going to be able to lock in on all of these guys. Plus the plays generally call for him to focus on 1 or 2 guys that are supposed to be thrown at. So much talk of going through progressions, but I generally see him following a player until the time is right vs clicking through players and moving on.

I have seen him make a couple nice touch passes like at the 0:52 mark of Oklahoma game and I have seen him do a couple things with his feet which besides Rosencopter we've never really had either, but at the end of the day, these Brett Favre comparisons are a very long reach for me.

I guess cause they both gamble occassionally he's Brett Favre?

Feel free to check out some of his video and tell me I'm not watching this correctly, that's fine too:

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/patrick-mahomes/
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I can't believe you're either actually watching his video or trying to make an honest assessment of what you're seeing, not when you continue on with this reductive description of his game. Yes, he does the things you're saying, in terms of throwing simple 5 yard looks or having some plays that are simple one/two receiver reads, but it's in absolutely no way a summation of his tape. Not by a long sight.

Mixed in those things are the vast number of times he's seen throwing deep ins, 10-15 yd outs, posts, and go routes. And then the times he's to be seen looking off a covered target to move to the next (often) or buying time with his legs and instincts meanwhile keeping his head up and into the development of the play to covert downfield. And even when he is asked to make the simple looks he does so timely, accurately, with the right touch, and even at moving arm angles to react to closing windows of defenders.

Idk, those plays are plentiful and in the very tape linked in your post, making even less sense how you're incapable of seeing them, or for whatever reason acknowledging them. But sure, tech offense so must suck, as that seems to be the go-to low hanging fruit with Mahomes.
 
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With the 43rd pick in the TT Mock Draft the Philadelphia Eagles select Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado.

Per PM from Beerlover

I think this is a great pick for the Eagles Barnett and Awuzie should really help the Eagles defense. I'm sure they will continue to address the secondary in this deep DB draft.

Bah007 is on the clock.
 
Ouch. Buffalo was targeting Awuzie here. But our backup option is still available.

With the 44th pick, Buffalo selects Adoree Jackson - CB, USC.

With the loss of Stephon Gilmore, Buffalo is looking for a top tier CB opposite Ronald Darby. Jackson's ability as a return man is a bonus. He's a little too much of a gambler but we love his potential outside once he gets some pro coaching.

@Shishkabob is on the clock for Arizona. His pick is not due until 11:00 AM.
 
Just in the nick of time, thanks Steelbtexan for all that you do :tiphat:

Chidobe Awuzie has look of next level corner. Lean, muscular athletic build 6' 200lbs that can move in space 4.14 shuttle 6.18 three cone and 4.43 forty. Experience, four year starter, other than lacerated Kidney in practice 2014 he is injury free. No red flags on or off the field, he just checks all the boxes. Rare press corner, reminds me of Talib coming out of Kansas. Long, instinctive, fluid hips & physical. After Lattimore, Awuzie, could very well be impact corner that Eagles require to start day one.

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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...E1789115F058CC5F43FEE1789115F058CC5&FORM=VIRE
 
bah007 said:
Ouch. Buffalo was targeting Awuzie here. But our backup option is still available.

With the 44th pick, Buffalo selects Adoree Jackson - CB, USC.

With the loss of Stephon Gilmore, Buffalo is looking for a top tier CB opposite Ronald Darby. Jackson's ability as a return man is a bonus. He's a little too much of a gambler but we love his potential outside once he gets some pro coaching.

@Shishkabob is on the clock for Arizona. His pick is not due until 11:00 AM.
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I'm really not a fan of Adoree Jackson. I just don't think he's a very good corner. He's got other positives, but I would find it hard to draft him with a need at corner.

There are alot of corners rated in this area. It'll be interesting to see how many go in the first 64 picks in the real draft.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I'm really not a fan of Adoree Jackson. I just don't think he's a very good corner. He's got other positives, but I would find it hard to draft him with a need at corner.

There are alot of corners rated in this area. It'll be interesting to see how many go in the first 64 picks in the real draft.
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I think a lot will go in the first two rounds. Maybe close to 10.

Jackson is an athlete at this point. He's not nearly a finished product and does come with serious risk. He reminds me a lot of Justin Gilbert from a few years back. The physical skills are there in spades. If his head is on right you could turn him into a hell of a player. If not, I just burned a 2nd on a punt returner.
 
Corners still on the board, Kevin King, teez Tabor, Cordrea Tankersley, Fabian Moreau-injury, Witherspoon, and jourdan Lewis


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beerlover said:
Just in the nick of time, thanks Steelbtexan for all that you do :tiphat:

Chidobe Awuzie has look of next level corner. Lean, muscular athletic build 6' 200lbs that can move in space 4.14 shuttle 6.18 three cone and 4.43 forty. Experience, four year starter, other than lacerated Kidney in practice 2014 he is injury free. No red flags on or off the field, he just checks all the boxes. Rare press corner, reminds me of Talib coming out of Kansas. Long, instinctive, fluid hips & physical. After Lattimore, Awuzie, could very well be impact corner that Eagles require to start day one.

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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...E1789115F058CC5F43FEE1789115F058CC5&FORM=VIRE
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Great pick I love Awuzie. He's so versatile. I would use him like the Packers used Charles Woodson when he won DPOY years ago. Play him at CB on base downs, move him into the slot in nickel, and utilize him as a 3rd safety in sub-packages and move him across the formation. He can do it all.
 
the run on corners continues here with Arizona looking to get someone opposite of patrick peterson.

Cordrea Tankersley. He has the look and the make up of being a #1 corner in the NFL, fortunately for him though Arizona has Patrick Peterson already so he wont have to assume that role right away. However this could give the Cardinals one of the best CB tandems in the league over the next year or 2.

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Mollywhopper said:
I can't believe you're either actually watching his video or trying to make an honest assessment of what you're seeing, not when you continue on with this reductive description of his game. Yes, he does the things you're saying, in terms of throwing simple 5 yard looks or having some plays that are simple one/two receiver reads, but it's in absolutely no way a summation of his tape. Not by a long sight.

Mixed in those things are the vast number of times he's seen throwing deep ins, 10-15 yd outs, posts, and go routes. And then the times he's to be seen looking off a covered target to move to the next (often) or buying time with his legs and instincts meanwhile keeping his head up and into the development of the play to covert downfield. And even when he is asked to make the simple looks he does so timely, accurately, with the right touch, and even at moving arm angles to react to closing windows of defenders.

Idk, those plays are plentiful and in the very tape linked in your post, making even less sense how you're incapable of seeing them, or for whatever reason acknowledging them. But sure, tech offense so must suck, as that seems to be the go-to low hanging fruit with Mahomes.
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Do you man. I'm not gonna internet fight you as much as you want it.

You think you see a guy that's making unreal plays, I don't.

Speaking on the same OK game I saw at the 3:14 mark of that link I showed you where he's looking left and throws to the middle of the field. I also saw the play before that he had his man wide open on a post in the middle of the field and probably wanted to exploit those safeties again in the middle of the field that looked lost the play previous.

It's fine man, you like to get aggressive and tell me how stupid I am.

I will tell you, do you, I don't care, but I also don't agree. I think he's overrated and is a system QB with a great arm.

Feel free to duck the topic in 3 years if I remember to bring it up when that time comes.
 
TexansFTW said:
Do you man. I'm not gonna internet fight you as much as you want it.

You think you see a guy that's making unreal plays, I don't.

Speaking on the same OK game I saw at the 3:14 mark of that link I showed you where he's looking left and throws to the middle of the field. I also saw the play before that he had his man wide open on a post in the middle of the field and probably wanted to exploit those safeties again in the middle of the field that looked lost the play previous.

It's fine man, you like to get aggressive and tell me how stupid I am.

I will tell you, do you, I don't care, but I also don't agree. I think he's overrated and is a system QB with a great arm.

Feel free to duck the topic in 3 years if I remember to bring it up when that time comes.
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Where did I tell you how stupid you are or get aggressive?

I was pretty clear about simply taking issue with reducing an eval of the kids play into an encapsulation of the few things you don't like.

You were throwing your toys out the pram throughout the entire discussion over Mahomes/Watson when everyone else was just bringing up points and now you want to claim the victim when someone simply responds back? C'mon, man..
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where did I tell you how stupid you are or get aggressive?

I was pretty clear about simply taking issue with reducing an eval of the kids play into an encapsulation of the few things you don't like.

You were throwing your toys out the pram throughout the entire discussion over Mahomes/Watson when everyone else was just bringing up points and now you want to claim the victim when someone simply responds back? C'mon, man..
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Do you man.

I guess time will tell in the Mahomes / Watson discussion.
 
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Indy is thrilled to be able to land this guy in the second round. Indy is doubling down on pass rush here. After landing McKinley in the first round, Indy is grabbing another edge here in hopes of having the next generation of Mathis/Freeney. The pick is in Charles Harris EDGE Missouri. Viscious Spin move here. Here are some snippets of scouting reports.

What he does best:

  • Has arguably the best spin move among pass-rushers in this draft class. Can get into the body of an opposing offensive tackle and spin free at speed. Picked up nine of his 59 total pressures on spins.
  • Very good get-off on pass-rushes. Helped him to a pass-rushing productivity rating of 14.4 on rushes from the right side of the defense, seventh-best among 3-4 outside linebackers in 2016.
  • Consistently one of the nation’s top pass-rushers in two years as a starter. Had the ninth-best pass-rushing grade among edge defenders in 2015, and 12th-best in 2016.
  • Got the better of draftable prospect Dan Skipper when Missouri took on Arkansas, beating him for two hits, a hurry and a forced holding penalty.
  • Had at least five pressures in eight of the 12 games he played in this year.
Biggest concern:

  • Pushed around far too easily against the run this season. Didn’t offer much resistance against down blocks, and his run stop percentage of just 4.9 percent was tied for 91st-best among 3-4 outside linebackers.
  • Caught over pursuing far too often. Sometimes inside, sometimes outside, and sometimes upfield. Seemed to lose track of the play.
  • Was overpowered by opposing offensive tackles at times. Big part of the reason why his run defense grade ranked tied for 163 among edge defenders in 2016.
  • Needs to develop more moves as a pass-rusher. Can win with speed off the edge, and with a devastating spin move, but lack of power shows up on bull rushes.

STRENGTHS
Long legs with well defined bubble. Has loose, fluid hips. Explodes out of his stance in search of gap work vs. run game. Lateral quickness makes it a challenge to reach him or cross his face for offensive linemen. Good first step quickness. Plays with energy and keeps it cranked up until the whistle blows. Runs with high knees and athletic, long strides in the open field. Basketball standout in high school who uses nimble feet for an effective spin move. Can unleash spin counter in either direction. Plays on either side of the line and can play with a hand down or standing up. In 2015, led team in sacks, tackles for losses and hurries and was second in tackles. Uses early speed-to-power to create movement before attacking the tackle's inside shoulder. Showed some ability to drop in space when called upon.
WEAKNESSES
Found himself too easily engulfed by size this season. Gives ground on the edge and can be widened out of his run fit. Hands must get better at point of attack. Needs to punch and own the point. Rides on blocks rather than shucks them. Lacks desired glass-chewing mentality against the run. Plays with slow reaction time to counters and misdirection and can lose track of the ball. Needs earlier shoulder turn as rusher to prevent early pass sets from punching him as squared-up rusher. Slow to activate his counter spin back inside. More violent approach with hands at top of his rush would help grease the edge. Productivity dropped after struggling with new defensive scheme.



Strengths
- Elite first step off the snap
- Gifted feet and long arms
- Flexibility and balance to turn the corner
- Effort and character are great
- Versatile player

Weaknesses
- Football IQ and awareness are still growing
- Needs to add strength from top to bottom
- Footwork and hand placement need to be polished

BOTTOM LINE
High-cut pass rusher with good athleticism but concerns regarding his ability to drop anchor against the run. Ironically, Harris might be best suited as a penetrator which is something he fought against this season. His hands can be improved as pass rush weapons, but he has agility and footwork that can't be taught. Harris can play on the edge in a 4-3 or 3-4 front and should be the next in a line of early contributing defensive ends coming out of Missouri.


The good from Harris is very good. He can make a fool out of offensive linemen with his signature spin move, and it’s good enough to cause problems for tackles the NFL too. That being said, the lack of variety in his pass-rushing arsenal, along with his lack of strength against the run, especially in 2016, does give cause for concern. He may be limited to a pass-rushing role at the next level.




NFL Comparisions: Connor Barwin, Jerry Hughes, Whitney Mercilus, Shane Ray
 
TexansFTW said:
The Ravens play a lot of Zone coverage defense right? How do I find these breakdowns?
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They like to mix it up with both man and zone but zone is their preferred coverage. The one consistency is they like big CB's and they like to press regardless of coverage. Not sure where to find the snap breakdowns on coverage but here's an article on Dean Pees defense.

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bah007 said:
I think a lot will go in the first two rounds. Maybe close to 10.

Jackson is an athlete at this point. He's not nearly a finished product and does come with serious risk. He reminds me a lot of Justin Gilbert from a few years back. The physical skills are there in spades. If his head is on right you could turn him into a hell of a player. If not, I just burned a 2nd on a punt returner.
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I think we are at 14 already!

I disagree with the Justin Gilbert comp. Jackson is a great football player who loves the game. I think his biggest issue is over confidence which comes from the level of play. Year one I think he is a top slot corner in the league. By year three he could be a top outside guy. Gilbert was a track star playing football, Jackson is a baller. If I was setting odds for DROY I would place Garrett, Peppers and Jackson as the top 3. Adoree will get his hands on some footballs.
 
gs27 said:
I think we are at 14 already!

I disagree with the Justin Gilbert comp. Jackson is a great football player who loves the game. I think his biggest issue is over confidence which comes from the level of play. Year one I think he is a top slot corner in the league. By year three he could be a top outside guy. Gilbert was a track star playing football, Jackson is a baller. If I was setting odds for DROY I would place Garrett, Peppers and Jackson as the top 3. Adoree will get his hands on some footballs.
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I worry about Jacksons durability with slight frame. Boom or bust corner but your right about him getting his hands on a few. Where he excels next level is returning kicks/punts. That alone is worth pick anything else is bonus.
 
There's been a lot of run on solid CBs and there's only a few healthy ones left that I like, so I guess I'll jump in on it too.

I've been going back and forth between Kevin King and Jourdan Lewis. Lewis seems like such a bulldog to me and I love guys that have the "BUT IF MAYBE" placed on them, "IF only they were taller, BUT they aren't, and MAYBE they will get burned at the next level because of it...".

I think the Ravens could use this guy especially as a slot CB until they realize he's better than Brandon Carr, and with that said... I will now go against my gut and go with Kevin King.

Kevin King - CB - 6'3" - 200 lbs - Washington

I felt like this guy is simply a better fit for the Ravens. I felt they did a lot of press and zone which is where I feel King can thrive at in the NFL as opposed to being an "island" DB, but couldn't really find that info until Wolverine gave me some info above.

If they want a guy that can hang with big receivers and press and play zone I think this guy is just a better system fit for the Ravens. Carr may start the season, but I see this guy finishing it opposite Jimmy.

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TexansFTW said:
There's been a lot of run on solid CBs and there's only a few healthy ones left that I like, so I guess I'll jump in on it too.

I've been going back and forth between Kevin King and Jourdan Lewis. Lewis seems like such a bulldog to me and I love guys that have the "BUT IF MAYBE" placed on them, "IF only they were taller, BUT they aren't, and MAYBE they will get burned at the next level because of it...".

I think the Ravens could use this guy especially as a slot CB until they realize he's better than Brandon Carr, and with that said... I will now go against my gut and go with Kevin King.

Kevin King - CB - 6'3" - 200 lbs - Washington

I felt like this guy is simply a better fit for the Ravens. I felt they did a lot of press and zone which is where I feel King can thrive at in the NFL as opposed to being an "island" DB, but couldn't really find that info until Wolverine gave me some info above.

If they want a guy that can hang with big receivers and press and play zone I think this guy is just a better system fit for the Ravens. Carr may start the season, but I see this guy finishing it opposite Jimmy.

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I really like that pick. I think King got overshadowed a bit by Sidney Jones at UW but he's really opened some eyes during the pre-draft process. Wouldn't be surprised if he went late 1st round. He's the prototype press CB that teams like Seattle love.
 
The Vikings OL gave up the 6th most sacks last year and they were dead last in rushing. PFF ranked them the 2nd worst OL in the league -- it was a mess and derailed the team. They've upgraded 2 OT positions in FA but need an interior starter and depth everywhere.

Vikings select OG: Dion Dawkins

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Big, powerful, good technique (w/ some minor exceptions) and has the quickness and length to play Tackle as needed.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I'm really not a fan of Adoree Jackson. I just don't think he's a very good corner. He's got other positives, but I would find it hard to draft him with a need at corner.

There are alot of corners rated in this area. It'll be interesting to see how many go in the first 64 picks in the real draft.
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bah007 said:
I think a lot will go in the first two rounds. Maybe close to 10.

Jackson is an athlete at this point. He's not nearly a finished product and does come with serious risk. He reminds me a lot of Justin Gilbert from a few years back. The physical skills are there in spades. If his head is on right you could turn him into a hell of a player. If not, I just burned a 2nd on a punt returner.
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gs27 said:
I think we are at 14 already!

I disagree with the Justin Gilbert comp. Jackson is a great football player who loves the game. I think his biggest issue is over confidence which comes from the level of play. Year one I think he is a top slot corner in the league. By year three he could be a top outside guy. Gilbert was a track star playing football, Jackson is a baller. If I was setting odds for DROY I would place Garrett, Peppers and Jackson as the top 3. Adoree will get his hands on some footballs.
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beerlover said:
I worry about Jacksons durability with slight frame. Boom or bust corner but your right about him getting his hands on a few. Where he excels next level is returning kicks/punts. That alone is worth pick anything else is bonus.
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Little late to the party here, but I'm equally intrigued and hesitant on Jackson. Hard not to see Asante Samuel when watching him play, which is across the board both positive and negative. If the accounts of his love for the game and attitude toward coaching are to be believed then this kid could be a real gem, otherwise it's tough trying to really coach up technique and discipline to a super athletic kid who's played for so long simply relying on those gifts. Certainly hope the former is true.
 
TexansFTW said:
There's been a lot of run on solid CBs and there's only a few healthy ones left that I like, so I guess I'll jump in on it too.

I've been going back and forth between Kevin King and Jourdan Lewis. Lewis seems like such a bulldog to me and I love guys that have the "BUT IF MAYBE" placed on them, "IF only they were taller, BUT they aren't, and MAYBE they will get burned at the next level because of it...".

I think the Ravens could use this guy especially as a slot CB until they realize he's better than Brandon Carr, and with that said... I will now go against my gut and go with Kevin King.

Kevin King - CB - 6'3" - 200 lbs - Washington

I felt like this guy is simply a better fit for the Ravens. I felt they did a lot of press and zone which is where I feel King can thrive at in the NFL as opposed to being an "island" DB, but couldn't really find that info until Wolverine gave me some info above.

If they want a guy that can hang with big receivers and press and play zone I think this guy is just a better system fit for the Ravens. Carr may start the season, but I see this guy finishing it opposite Jimmy.

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Great pick, Indy was torn between Harris and King. He has great size and agility, really hard to come up with a comp with a guy that big with the speed and fluidity that he possesses.


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Washington takes Caleb Brantley DT Florida.

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Brantley provides the Skins with a missing element, inside penetration. His ability to push the pocket will enhance the outside rushers. Long term, Brantley provides position flexibility with a passion for the game. A need and value pick in the middle of the 2nd.
 
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Looks like the Bucs are going to go over. I think the perfect pick for them here is Budda Baker. They had some of the worst Safety play in the league last year and he would be a huge upgrade.
 
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