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Texas Showdown! Texans @ Cowboys
- Thread starter TexanBorn51
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Yea Mills a had a good game today. Again !
I thought Pitre was playing at a legit All-pro level today.
ATXtexanfan
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On way way home from game. What bummer, had em
Texans fans weren't as strong as last game.
Texans fans weren't as strong as last game.
badboy
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yep was my 2nd choice due to the INTs went with Tremon. Jerry Hes seemed to get into backfield but zero tackles or assists.
I will never understand how the Texans go weeks without getting their TEs involved in the passing game. Especially when Cooks is out. SMH
Nick wanted to keep Lovie as DC, that was his idea from start. Gannon Balked, Nick Caved, Cal didn't let him.
Nick wanted to hire the coordinators, remember? That's why "they" were saying McCown had a chance to be our HC. Because Nick wanted that control.
Don't go rewriting history.
Nick fired Culley because he wanted to hire Flores. Flores went rogue & started suing the NFL. Easterby wanted McCown but because of the PC nature of the lawsuit they decided against McCown. Everybody else on the BS candidate list had been taken by the other teams & Gannon was what was left. It's not like they thought he was cream of the crop.
So no, I don't think Caserio ever thought Gannon was the best guy for the job & Cal over ruled him. That's the KoolAid narrative.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Lovie is here because Nick screwed up the HC search process.
Mr teX
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lol how’d he do that exactly? By valuing his job security & not telling Cal to go screw himself when Cal told him he wanted to keep Lovie around as DC?
this isn’t a peer to peer situation. Wish i would tell my boss I ain’t doing what he wants me to do.
you guys are reaching so hard with this it’s unbelievable.
badboy
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even worse we keep wasting draft picks on them.
beerlover
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Easy way to avoid that from happening. Draft Meyer with pick via Watson trade to Cleveland. Legit blue chip prospect that translates next level.
Mr teX
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you’re trying to pass rumor on as fact and its not fact. Someone’s rewriting history & its you. B.S. candidate list? 2 of the guys he interviewed over these last few years have gotten HC gigs (Eberflus, O’connell)…3 others are or REMAIN prime HC candidates THIS year (Lombardi, Frazier, Gannon, Bienemy)
Furthermore..unless you have NC on record saying he wanted to keep Lovie on as DC for Gannon, then you’re just passing rumor on as fact. The only thing Caserio is on record as saying is that Lovie Smith made the most sense…….at the time.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Correction: Cal wanted to keep Lovie as the DC. Just like they kept Crennel.
Well, I've told bosses "No" many times.
Of course they made the mistake of asking "Do you want to go do this or that..?."
My answer was always an honest "No." "However, I am willing to because it's why I get paid."
The questions then become more closer to "Will you ...?"
To which they then recieve the "Yes" they sought.
Not my fault words have meaning..... I just use them.
Mr teX
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Well, I've told bosses "No" many times.
Of course they made the mistake of asking "Do you want to go do this or that..?."
My answer was always an honest "No." "However, I am willing to because it's why I get paid."
The questions then become more closer to "Will you ...?"
To which they then recieve the "Yes" they sought.
Not my fault words have meaning..... I just use them.
unfortunately all ofus dont work in such a cavalier environment. I tell 1 of these docs no, im getting kicked out/ banned out of the OR/Cath lab or meeting..if not outright fired.
Mr teX
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youre giving too much credit to doctors…alot of them are potatoes too…they just have “MD” behind their names so you have to respect the chain of command…even of ypu know they’re wrong as hell.
austins23
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They should fire themselves .
gotta kick the FG there at the end of the game. I get it, we suck but you gotta take the points there
Oh, don't mistake my placing them above Cal as putting them on a pedestal.
I simply don't think that highly of Cal.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
That's a lot to digest but why would Nick want to keep Lovie as a DC? There was nothing admirable about the 2021 defense. If he wanted Gannon, then Nick should have brought in Vic Fangio as the DC. And why would Cal himself want Flores? I don't see Cal as being that proactive, IMO it would have come from someone else to influence him about Flores.
Same question but different person, why would Cal have wanted to keep Lovie around? Was he was hedging against a screwed up HC search process? If so, then he's a genius to see that beforehand.
amazing80
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While we are throwing around theories, I think they went with Lovie because they screwed around too long, lost the good options, the remaining ones weren't in love with our front office setup, Cal wanted McCown, but the Flores lawsuit shined too bright a light on the team and they got nervous. They already fired Culley and had to do something, so they made a deal with Lovie. Remember the deal he got. 5 years for 25 million, a ridiculous amount for a washed-up coach and a length he would never see. I don’t know if they will fire him this season or not, but I do think he took them to the woodshed on his contract.
That entire sequence was crap! 1st and goal from the 4 and you get zilch?
Good point. I don't think anyone expected the Texans to have a winning record. The weekly clown show where every apect of the team appears incompetent is what annoys and frustrates fans.
TexansBull
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There are two different versions of events that transpired.
Reality is that Cal wanted to keep Lovie as DC. I have a feeling there were some promises made to Pep to keep him from interviewing with Panthers.
Your version is your version.
TexansBull
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Asking the real questions.
Or an injured 1st round rookie. Don't hear any complaints when he's opening huge holes in the run game, or pancaking dudes on the second level.
They never even showed a down the line shot on replay. Only the overhead shot at an angle from the goalpost.
Lovie is much too blase to be challenging anything
It's an improvement over the horrid of OB
You got me. I guess everyone else has Cal on record saying he wanted Lovie to stay on as DC... or is that just as much rumor as what I'm saying?
None of those guys got a 2nd interview. It was a sham, just like the Giants interviewing Flores after they already offered the job to Daboll.
I wouldn't be griping if O'Connell was still on the list when Nick "chose" Gannon. But they "chose" Gannon when no one else was left.
Looks like you're going to believe whatever rumor you decide is true. That's OK. Bottom line, this is a clusterf & it's getting more clustery.
There he goes playing for the tie again. Something is wrong with that dude. And why didn't anyone ask him about that bullshit playcalling in that last series?
That's Plovie for ya!
I think your discussion with Jose went on a bit too long
Going for it on 4th down after 3rd down lost 2 yards was not the right call in that situation for that team and personnel. But yes the play call sucked
Mr teX
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i’ve explained this in several posts in different threads. Cal may have wanted to keep Lovie around b/c Lovie had been here and had witnessed & worked through all the dysfunction that has plagued this organization. He knew 1st hand what it was like around here during that time. Also, Lovie was an experienced coach who’d been a HC and coordinator…which was a far cry from what Culley was. He was also a well-respected guy in the league & no matter what WE thought of him as a guy to get this team over the hump, he himself brought instant credibility to an org in DIRE need of it …..after hiring a coach in Culley that came out of nowhere & was on noone’s list for HC…while also fighting the perception that a character coach was running things here.
everyone lost their **** b/c Culley didnt have any coordinator experience…Well Gannon had only 1 year as a coordinator…which was 2021 for the eagles.
I wonder if they would have offered the job to Frazier if Cal would have insisted Lovie remain the DC
Absolutely nothing in there is factual.
Mr teX
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I can’t confirm, but there’s a high probability those guys didnt get 2nd interviews b/c another team snapped them up before it got to that point. Daboll likely didnt get a 2nd interview..its not needed to hire a guy anyway so that’s a moot point.
& its not supposition to believe that the owner of the team has final say over who the GM offers the gig to or who is brought back and who isnt…thats just fact man.
No, you kick the field goal to go up by 6 and then worst case you only need a FG to win it.
Why not? Frazier is not a tampa 2 guy