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steelbtexan

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Chipping away at your saying that.BOB is a mediocre HC before the season.
Mediocre ain't 0-4, LOL.
His record says he was a mediocre HC.

As Parcells once said, your record says what you are.

Since I know I wont get an answer from TB, I will ask you since we're all in agreement that DW4's got areas where he needs to improve,

What areas do you think he needs to show improvement?
 

amazing80

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How many yrs before you start questioning if DW4's as good as you think he is? We're in yr 4, maybe in yr 4 of the new regime and if they aren't successful and get fired will there be another if DW4 just had this or that he would be the greatest moment? Your acting as though the mistakes DW4's making and lack of consistency is because he's a rookie. He's been in the league for 4 yrs and counting.
He has improved in every measurable way. Watson gets 2 full seasons with a new front office and coaching staff. If he cannot lead the team in a winning direction after that then we can discuss our options. But until the front office has the chance to reboot our roster this is a pointless discussion.
 

amazing80

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His record says he was a mediocre HC.

As Parcells once said, your record says what you are.

Since I know I wont get an answer from TB, I will ask you since we're all in agreement that DW4's got areas where he needs to improve,

What areas do you think he needs to show improvement?
Watson needs to get a better feel for the late rushers and learn to throw the ball away. The problem (or double edge sword) is some of his best traits are when a play breaks down. He is the type of QB that you scream no no no and then scream yes when he delivers a TD. He is not everyone's cup of tea and I get that, but you get the great with the bad. I want to see him have full control at the line. I would love to see something similar to Manning got in Indy with 3 calls each play and he kills them at the line. This puts more control on him and I trust he can handle it.
 

76Texan

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Just the gradual improvement with more experience in the league.
He never had a good veteran QB to show him different things.
 

thunderkyss

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Anti Watson guys make such ridiculous claims that it forces guys like me into defending him and being labeled a homer. No. If you guys didn’t say such stupid things we wouldn’t have to talk about Watson in every thread. There are not 10 better qbs in this league. There is barely 5 better. Until the TEAM improves he will be limited in the win column. Just like every other qb in the history of the league. I can’t believe you guys said Schaub was better than Watson. Wtf us wrong with you guys
1000% correct
 

steelbtexan

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Just the gradual improvement with more experience in the league.
He never had a good veteran QB to show him different things.
He has improved in every measurable way. Watson gets 2 full seasons with a new front office and coaching staff. If he cannot lead the team in a winning direction after that then we can discuss our options. But until the front office has the chance to reboot our roster this is a pointless discussion.
Agreed,

I guess our differences are in my 3-4 games in yr 2 and your 2 full yrs.
 

steelbtexan

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Watson needs to get a better feel for the late rushers and learn to throw the ball away. The problem (or double edge sword) is some of his best traits are when a play breaks down. He is the type of QB that you scream no no no and then scream yes when he delivers a TD. He is not everyone's cup of tea and I get that, but you get the great with the bad. I want to see him have full control at the line. I would love to see something similar to Manning got in Indy with 3 calls each play and he kills them at the line. This puts more control on him and I trust he can handle it.
A fair eval,

I dont think you can win against the best teams playing this way. Obviously you feel they can win this way.

Be careful of what you ask for. I too would like to see this. but we have differing thoughts on what the outcome would be. The reason I want to see DW4 with freedom at the LOS is so we can find out if he can do it. If he cant then it's time to move on. IMHO
 

steelbtexan

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Some of how many? LOL.
You are seriously funny, man.
Try to deflect all you want.

I just hope you hold the new regime to the same standards.

10-11 wins and a final 8 berth in yr 1 just to accomplish what BOB already accomplished.

I'm sure you wont be doing this anytime soon.
 
Watson needs to get a better feel for the late rushers and learn to throw the ball away. The problem (or double edge sword) is some of his best traits are when a play breaks down. He is the type of QB that you scream no no no and then scream yes when he delivers a TD. He is not everyone's cup of tea and I get that, but you get the great with the bad. I want to see him have full control at the line. I would love to see something similar to Manning got in Indy with 3 calls each play and he kills them at the line. This puts more control on him and I trust he can handle it.
Not sure where you are getting this as his history shows he does worst the more options you give him. The system he had at Clemson was designed to be simple with few options.

Very few QBs, including the greats, could handle a system like Manning had because it requires the QB to completely dissect a defense in a few seconds and still have time to change the line. Being able to break down a play and the defense after the game when you are talking to reporters is not the same as breaking it down before the play even happens.

Besides we have had proof in the past that Watson can call an audible when he was micced up and did just that. So if he does have the option to change the line up then why hasn’t he done it more if he saw something on the defense?
 

thunderkyss

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So let me get this straight, we are suppose to disregard all the scouting reports from multiple sources saying the same thing but this one guy we are suppose to take as gospel?



Ok.
Scouting reports were before Watson was drafted. That video was posted 4 days ago.

What you are supposed to disregard, following 76Texan’s logic are the guys saying Watson hasn’t improved since his scouting reports.
 

thunderkyss

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Not sure where you are getting this as his history shows he does worst the more options you give him. The system he had at Clemson was designed to be simple with few options.

Very few QBs, including the greats, could handle a system like Manning had because it requires the QB to completely dissect a defense in a few seconds and still have time to change the line. Being able to break down a play and the defense after the game when you are talking to reporters is not the same as breaking it down before the play even happens.

Besides we have had proof in the past that Watson can call an audible when he was micced up and did just that. So if he does have the option to change the line up then why hasn’t he done it more if he saw something on the defense?
How long do you think it took Peyton to learn to do that?

How long should it take someone going from the simple Clemson system to the complicated O’Brien system? With O’Brien teaching you?
 

badboy

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We all have our opinions, so chill the freak out with that noise. And we all have said he needs to improve joker. But how can we really expect that with the crap he's working with.


It's like you guys just have to be right in yall evaluation.
You state your opinion. Feel free. I am saying plain and simple HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE. I really hope he can.
Wait, wait just a dang minute! You changed your name E? As Kathy Bates said in Misery that's not the way it's supposed to be! You dirty bird.

Can't you at least clarify the original name? Perhaps we should have a thread and each of us come up with an alternative name just in case Powda's Apocalypse happens.

Back to the thread...
 

Texansballer74

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Scouting reports were before Watson was drafted. That video was posted 4 days ago.

What you are supposed to disregard, following 76Texan’s logic are the guys saying Watson hasn’t improved since his scouting reports.

They ignored your evaluation/opinion because they’re too busy trying stick land this scouting report/opinion that was established way before the draft.

Let’s use last night game as an example.

Rivers and the Colts on two different occasions were in the red zone. On both series Rivers waited way too late to throw to his receivers running an out route. If he throws on time, those are easy touchdowns. Both passes were incomplete.

Now let’s talk about Tannehill. I remember at half time Terry Bradshaw was talking about Brady’s game against the Saints. He said basically when your offensive line isn’t blocking and you’re constantly getting hit, you will make mistakes no matter who you are. Tannehill felt this type of pressure thus the reason why he was inaccurate last night.

This is my main point to these gents who are saying Watson hasn’t improved from a dang scouting report that was presented before he was drafted. Maverick refuses to separate opinions from pure darn hate. I say that because it is very clear to not just me, those guys only look for the negatives and not the positive. They refuse to address the obvious, which is the offensive line being as terrible as they are. They won’t bring up the running game not being there. Neither will they bring up the predictability of this offensive scheme. Lol


We all also know Watson has some areas he needs to improve on. But if he had the luxury of a top 5 defense, he might not try to be the hero all the freaking time. He would probably throw some of those busted up plays out of bounds verse trying to keep the play alive. I ask how many times the offense led by Watson drove down the field and took the lead. Only for that freaking horrendous defense to blow the should be game away. Man if that defense does their job, it’s a strong possibility O’Brien doesn’t get fired.
 
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76Texan

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So let me get this straight, we are suppose to disregard all the scouting reports from multiple sources saying the same thing but this one guy we are suppose to take as gospel?



Ok.
Not just because he's one of the most respected analysts, but also because he was also very hard on Watson in his scouting report.

Just like several others, he's been seeing Watson's progress through the years.

(Besides, I've always stated that I don't take anybody's words wholeheartedly, but do recognize them all no matter what.)
 

steelbtexan

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They ignored your evaluation/opinion because they’re too busy trying stick land this scouting report/opinion that was established way before the draft.

Let’s us last night game as an example.

Rivers and the Colts on two different occasions were in the red zone. On both of series Rivers waited way too late to throw to his receivers running an out route. If he throws on time, those are easy touchdowns. Both passes were incomplete.

Now let’s talk about Tannehill. I remember at half time Terry Bradshaw was talking about Brady’s game against the Saints. He said basically when your offensive line isn’t blocking and you’re constantly getting hit, you will make mistakes no matter who you are. Tannehill felt this type of pressure thus the reason why he was inaccurate last night.

This is my main point to these gents who are saying Watson hasn’t improved from a dang scouting report that was presented before he was drafted. Maverick refuses to separate opinions from pure darn hate. I say that because it is very clear to not just me, those guys only look for the negatives and not the positive. They refuse to address the obvious, which is the offensive line being as terrible as they are. They won’t bring up the running game not being there. Neither will they bring up the predictability of this offensive scheme. Lol


We all also know Watson has some areas he needs to improve in. But if he had the luxury of a top 5 defense, he might not try to be the hero all the freaking time. He would probably throw some of throw busted up plays bout of bounds verse trying to keep the play alive. I ask how many times the offense led by Watson drove down the field and took the lead. Only for that freaking horrendous defense to blow the should be game away. Man if that defense does their job, it’s a strong possibility O’Brien doesn’t get fired.
Too emotional?
 

76Texan

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Not sure where you are getting this as his history shows he does worst the more options you give him. The system he had at Clemson was designed to be simple with few options.

Very few QBs, including the greats, could handle a system like Manning had because it requires the QB to completely dissect a defense in a few seconds and still have time to change the line. Being able to break down a play and the defense after the game when you are talking to reporters is not the same as breaking it down before the play even happens.

Besides we have had proof in the past that Watson can call an audible when he was micced up and did just that. So if he does have the option to change the line up then why hasn’t he done it more if he saw something on the defense?
Have you checked Manning's first four years in the league?
His Int's percentage was always higher than Watson's.

And contrary to your belief, Moore's system for Manning was designed to be simple.

 

steelbtexan

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Have you checked Manning's first four years in the league?
His Int's percentage was always higher than Watson's.

And contrary to your belief, Moore's system for Manning was designed to be simple.

If DW4 becomes close to what Manning becomes I will buy you a steak dinner.
 
Scouting reports were before Watson was drafted. That video was posted 4 days ago.

What you are supposed to disregard, following 76Texan’s logic are the guys saying Watson hasn’t improved since his scouting reports.
I never said he hasn’t improved but the question is how much and can he continue to do so. I agree he had gone as far as he could in OB’s system and that is was long past time for a change. I think he can improve if the system is designed for him but ultimately we will see once a new HC is hired.
 
Have you checked Manning's first four years in the league?
His Int's percentage was always higher than Watson's.

And contrary to your belief, Moore's system for Manning was designed to be simple.

You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Complexity or simplicity have nothing to do with the number of options a QB has. Perhaps that was my mistake for using those terms but a better way to put it is Manning was at his best when he had everything on the table and could pick and choose whatever he wanted play to play. Watson has shown he is at his best when he has the fewest options and can focus on executing those few, or even one, option as flawlessly as possible. It’s the jack of all trades vs singular master argument.
 
How long do you think it took Peyton to learn to do that?

How long should it take someone going from the simple Clemson system to the complicated O’Brien system? With O’Brien teaching you?
People keep harping on “with O’Brien teaching you” as if OB was personally sitting down with Watson and trying to walk him through how to be a QB. Some of the mistakes we have seen Watson make, not sliding, not throwing the ball away, always going for the big play, are basic QB 101 things.

Are you saying Watson came into the NFL not knowing basic QB play? I understand that player always have to adjust to the speed and talent level of the NFL but there is a difference between adjusting and having to learn from scratch. On top of that Watson has his personal QB coach that has been with him for years and the Texans brought in the best QB coach out there for Watson’s skill set. So why does failure to learn or failure to teach fall strictly on OB?
 

Texansballer74

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I never said he hasn’t improved but the question is how much and can he continue to do so. I agree he had gone as far as he could in OB’s system and that is was long past time for a change. I think he can improve if the system is designed for him but ultimately we will see once a new HC is hired.

Now we’re talking, this I can agree with. Good stuff.
 

76Texan

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If DW4 becomes close to what Manning becomes I will buy you a steak dinner.
It's a team sport.
Go back and study Manning's career.
They tailored the offensive system around him, making him the center piece.
They added the pieces, like E James to give him a running game.
They pass the ball more (which I think the next HC should do with Watson), but they almost always had a reliable running game.
And then they added the weapons, and build their defense for the long haul.
Even in the years when the D was subpar, they were still able to generate turovers. It's called an opportunistic defense.
 

Texansballer74

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You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Complexity or simplicity have nothing to do with the number of options a QB has. Perhaps that was my mistake for using those terms but a better way to put it is Manning was at his best when he had everything on the table and could pick and choose whatever he wanted play to play. Watson has shown he is at his best when he has the fewest options and can focus on executing those few, or even one, option as flawlessly as possible. It’s the jack of all trades vs singular master argument.
In Manning’s first four years he did not have full control of that offense like that. He was not a good quarterback during that time. But over time along with a coaching change he became what the experts believe he would become. I believe that’s 76 point of view there Maverick.

Shoots it even took Brady some years before he mastered that craft. Once he did and coaching seen he could handle that type of responsibility, then only then, the coach allowed him to audible in and out of plays. Before, he was what some would call a game manager.
 
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They ignored your evaluation/opinion because they’re too busy trying stick land this scouting report/opinion that was established way before the draft.

Let’s us last night game as an example.

Rivers and the Colts on two different occasions were in the red zone. On both of series Rivers waited way too late to throw to his receivers running an out route. If he throws on time, those are easy touchdowns. Both passes were incomplete.

Now let’s talk about Tannehill. I remember at half time Terry Bradshaw was talking about Brady’s game against the Saints. He said basically when your offensive line isn’t blocking and you’re constantly getting hit, you will make mistakes no matter who you are. Tannehill felt this type of pressure thus the reason why he was inaccurate last night.

This is my main point to these gents who are saying Watson hasn’t improved from a dang scouting report that was presented before he was drafted. Maverick refuses to separate opinions from pure darn hate. I say that because it is very clear to not just me, those guys only look for the negatives and not the positive. They refuse to address the obvious, which is the offensive line being as terrible as they are. They won’t bring up the running game not being there. Neither will they bring up the predictability of this offensive scheme. Lol


We all also know Watson has some areas he needs to improve in. But if he had the luxury of a top 5 defense, he might not try to be the hero all the freaking time. He would probably throw some of throw busted up plays bout of bounds verse trying to keep the play alive. I ask how many times the offense led by Watson drove down the field and took the lead. Only for that freaking horrendous defense to blow the should be game away. Man if that defense does their job, it’s a strong possibility O’Brien doesn’t get fired.
Again not sure why or where you get this idea I hate Watson. That makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever unless you think I want him to fail because of outside reasons I won’t go into because it would get us both banned.

We can sit here and look at the positives as you say all day long but the fact is the team is a dumpster fire with no end in sight so it would be fools gold in my eyes. There is an old saying never fail to learn in victory what you would have learned in defeat. In other words I can give you a list of Watson’s positives, and yes I do know he has many, but those positives aren’t the focus because it’s not the positives he needs to improve on.

Yes if Watson has a top 5 defense and a wall for an Oline and a scary running game and top receivers he would be doing much better. You know what though any QB in the NFL would look like a superstar with those things. What makes the greats the greats is that even without them they find ways. Rogers hasn’t had any help on defense or receivers for years but GB is still always in the mix. Wilson lost beast mode and the legion of boom but he’s kept the hawks a force to fear. Mahomes has a joke for a defense and not only didn’t he have a running game but he had a coach that doesn’t even plan for a running game and he got the Chiefs into the mix.

I don’t expect Watson to win it all alone and you’re right the defense has crapped the bed many times. Though I have to say I find it ironic that now people are saying the defense is crap and holding the team back but when OB was here and they did that it was OB’s fault. The philly game in particular comes to mind. And yes there has been times Watson alone has saved the day such as the game against the Giants, but there has also been times when the heroics has hit the team in the backside as well.
 
In Manning’s first four years he did not have full control of that offense like that. He was not a good quarterback during that time. But over time along with a coaching change he became what the experts believe he would become. I believe that’s 76 point of view there Maverick.

Shoots it even took Brady some years before he mastered that craft. Once he did and the coach seen he could handle that type of responsibility, then only then the coach allowed him to audible in and out of plays. Before he was what some would call a game manager.
You’re not wrong on both accounts but some here are calling for Watson to have that level of control now and my point is that he hasn’t shown that not only can he do it but that it would even be the best system for him. Watson’s style of play is nothing at all like Manning or Brady so why do people want to give him a system like Manning or Brady. You know what kind of system is designed for a Manning type QB, O’Brien’s system and we saw how well that worked.
 

76Texan

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You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Complexity or simplicity have nothing to do with the number of options a QB has. Perhaps that was my mistake for using those terms but a better way to put it is Manning was at his best when he had everything on the table and could pick and choose whatever he wanted play to play. Watson has shown he is at his best when he has the fewest options and can focus on executing those few, or even one, option as flawlessly as possible. It’s the jack of all trades vs singular master argument.
You might want to give that article a thorough read.

Also, Clemson's system is not as simple as you think. There were some instances that Watson made full field read and went through the whole progression.

And the base of the WCO that Tannehill and Montana run doesn't have that many reads either. The field is often cut in half.

I had put up a quote in the past (quite a few years ago), that Bill Walsh didn't get Montana to go through the whole progression until the 4th or 5th year, I can't remember exactly.
 

Texansballer74

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Again not sure why or where you get this idea I hate Watson. That makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever unless you think I want him to fail because of outside reasons I won’t go into because it would get us both banned.

We can sit here and look at the positives as you say all day long but the fact is the team is a dumpster fire with no end in sight so it would be fools gold in my eyes. There is an old saying never fail to learn in victory what you would have learned in defeat. In other words I can give you a list of Watson’s positives, and yes I do know he has many, but those positives aren’t the focus because it’s not the positives he needs to improve on.

Yes if Watson has a top 5 defense and a wall for an Oline and a scary running game and top receivers he would be doing much better. You know what though any QB in the NFL would look like a superstar with those things. What makes the greats the greats is that even without them they find ways. Rogers hasn’t had any help on defense or receivers for years but GB is still always in the mix. Wilson lost beast mode and the legion of boom but he’s kept the hawks a force to fear. Mahomes has a joke for a defense and not only didn’t he have a running game but he had a coach that doesn’t even plan for a running game and he got the Chiefs into the mix.

I don’t expect Watson to win it all alone and you’re right the defense has crapped the bed many times. Though I have to say I find it ironic that now people are saying the defense is crap and holding the team back but when OB was here and they did that it was OB’s fault. The philly game in particular comes to mind. And yes there has been times Watson alone has saved the day such as the game against the Giants, but there has also been times when the heroics has hit the team in the backside as well.
Maverick I never said you hate Watson. What I said was you tend side with those that do. You’re always coming to there defense verse actually reading what I am saying. Another thing I never said Watson was without flaws. What I am saying here is look at the entire picture verses saying he hasn’t improved. Something those select few tends to hang their hate on every freaking day. My thing is ( after DB asked me to start a thread catered to what Watson does good. Those select few came on there with their negativity. But you gents want to make it look like I’m the one that’s in the wrong.
 

Texansballer74

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You’re not wrong on both accounts but some here are calling for Watson to have that level of control now and my point is that he hasn’t shown that not only can he do it but that it would even be the best system for him. Watson’s style of play is nothing at all like Manning or Brady so why do people want to give him a system like Manning or Brady. You know what kind of system is designed for a Manning type QB, O’Brien’s system and we saw how well that worked.

I Don’t recall anyone making those type of suggestions. Bill O’Brien is the one that said this year Watson will be able to audible in out of plays. He’s the one that said Watson job was to change up the protection. I always wanted them to bring him along slowly. Unfortunately and like many others he was thrust into the starting role because we didn’t have a solid veteran HOF type of quarterback he could sit back and learn from. And the starter got benched because he wasn’t ready either. I was never on board with Bill O’Briens offensive philosophy and I knew Watson wasn’t his type of quarterback. Meaning he didn’t fit his system. But I only disagree with y’all because he played pretty solid in that system.
My point is it takes time to learn and back that up with two great examples. Both Manning and Brady perfected those systems over time. They did not learn it overnight
 
Maverick I never said you hate Watson. What I said was you tend side with those that do. You’re always coming to there defense verse actually reading what I am saying. Another thing I never said Watson was without flaws. What I am saying here is look at the entire picture verses saying he hasn’t improved. Something those select few tends to hang their hate on every freaking day. My thing is ( after DB asked me to start a thread catered to what Watson does good. Those select few came on there with their negativity. But you gents want to make it look like I’m the one that’s in the wrong.
There’s no siding here, I simply state what I believe and what I see. If that happens to be in line with what someone else sees or thinks then so be it. If that conflicts then also so be it. If I’m in the majority or the lone voice in the minority it makes no difference because it’s still what I see.

For example I am most likely the only person on here that thinks RS did a decent job as GM and would not be opposed to him returning as the GM. I’d want someone else to draft rounds 2-7 but for round one he drafted Hopkins, Watt, Fuller and Watson. He also drafted Clowney at 1:1 which I didn’t, and still don’t, like but hey so be it. If nothing else you’d at least know he would hire a HC that he thought would give Watson his best chance as RS legacy as a GM is directly tied to Watson’s as a QB.
 

Texansballer74

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There’s no siding here, I simply state what I believe and what I see. If that happens to be in line with what someone else sees or thinks then so be it. If that conflicts then also so be it. If I’m in the majority or the lone voice in the minority it makes no difference because it’s still what I see.

For example I am most likely the only person on here that thinks RS did a decent job as GM and would not be opposed to him returning as the GM. I’d want someone else to draft rounds 2-7 but for round one he drafted Hopkins, Watt, Fuller and Watson. He also drafted Clowney at 1:1 which I didn’t, and still don’t, like but hey so be it. If nothing else you’d at least know he would hire a HC that he thought would give Watson his best chance as RS legacy as a GM is directly tied to Watson’s as a QB.

I’m in the same company as you when it comes to what RS did here. I remember the back and forth stuff you had with one of those gents that’s hating on Watson today. Remember I was involved with those heated exchanges to. If you notice, that same individual picks one person on that team and go all out on them. If Watson bounce he will direct that energy to someone else.
 

76Texan

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There’s no siding here, I simply state what I believe and what I see. If that happens to be in line with what someone else sees or thinks then so be it. If that conflicts then also so be it. If I’m in the majority or the lone voice in the minority it makes no difference because it’s still what I see.

For example I am most likely the only person on here that thinks RS did a decent job as GM and would not be opposed to him returning as the GM. I’d want someone else to draft rounds 2-7 but for round one he drafted Hopkins, Watt, Fuller and Watson. He also drafted Clowney at 1:1 which I didn’t, and still don’t, like but hey so be it. If nothing else you’d at least know he would hire a HC that he thought would give Watson his best chance as RS legacy as a GM is directly tied to Watson’s as a QB.
I've always said Ricky is better than average.
 

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You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Complexity or simplicity have nothing to do with the number of options a QB has. Perhaps that was my mistake for using those terms but a better way to put it is Manning was at his best when he had everything on the table and could pick and choose whatever he wanted play to play. Watson has shown he is at his best when he has the fewest options and can focus on executing those few, or even one, option as flawlessly as possible. It’s the jack of all trades vs singular master argument.
Exactly,

Unfortunately you're beating a dead horse.
 

steelbtexan

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People keep harping on “with O’Brien teaching you” as if OB was personally sitting down with Watson and trying to walk him through how to be a QB. Some of the mistakes we have seen Watson make, not sliding, not throwing the ball away, always going for the big play, are basic QB 101 things.

Are you saying Watson came into the NFL not knowing basic QB play? I understand that player always have to adjust to the speed and talent level of the NFL but there is a difference between adjusting and having to learn from scratch. On top of that Watson has his personal QB coach that has been with him for years and the Texans brought in the best QB coach out there for Watson’s skill set. So why does failure to learn or failure to teach fall strictly on OB?
True, it shouldn't take q QB 4 yrs to adjust to the speed of th game. That's the main issue though, after 4 yrs DW4 still doesn't process fast enough an no this doesn't mean I think DW4's the S-Word.
 

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I Don’t recall anyone making those type of suggestions. Bill O’Brien is the one that said this year Watson will be able to audible in out of plays. He’s the one that said Watson job was to change up the protection. I always wanted them to bring him along slowly. Unfortunately and like many others he was thrust into the starting role because we didn’t have a solid veteran HOF type of quarterback he could sit back and learn from. And the starter got benched because he wasn’t ready either. I was never on board with Bill O’Briens offensive philosophy and I knew Watson wasn’t his type of quarterback. Meaning he didn’t fit his system. But I only disagree with y’all because he played pretty solid in that system.
My point is it takes time to learn and back that up with two great examples. Both Manning and Brady perfected those systems over time. They did not learn it overnight
In the NFL QB's aren't brought along slowly anymore. I would say after 4 yrs DW4 has had enough time to adjust and learn. But it hasn't happened. Hopefully it happens with the next regime and DW4 has an epiphany.
 


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