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Out of curiosity, who is suppose to call the simple, fast developing play? Also, if that simple, fast developing play was called and Watson held onto the ball, who was suppose to chew him out in practice or when he came to the sidelines?

I recently read a story where Goff had gotten into the habit of locking on his first read and not going through his progressions. During practice, without telling the offense or Goff, Mcvay had defenders double teaming the first read. Forcing Goff to practice going through his progressions.

My point? I think O'Brien did a great job helping Watson understand NFL defenses. However, on the finer points of playing the QB position, I don't think O'Brien did as good a job as the other coaches with young QBs.
Was there an actual question in there or was it just rhetorical? Also for all we know OB did chew Watson out in practice and in the locker room. We always talk on here like we know exactly what play was called or everything that was said behind closed doors but most are just guessing based usually based on their own bias.

Now that being said I do agree with you that I think OB let to much slide and didn’t push a few things hard enough. Could be he tried but it came out badly like his conversation with Hopkins, could be Watson wouldn’t listen, could be he never tried because he didn’t see a problem or just left it to the QB coaches. Frankly we will never know.

I’ve said many times OB didn’t change the system to fit Watson’s strengths and there is no excuse for that. However Watson is a professional making a crap ton of money and has been doing it long enough where he should be able to see what he needs to most work on and self improve with or without the HC sitting him down for a one on one after every game.
 

Earl34

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Was there an actual question in there or was it just rhetorical? Also for all we know OB did chew Watson out in practice and in the locker room. We always talk on here like we know exactly what play was called or everything that was said behind closed doors but most are just guessing based usually based on their own bias.

Now that being said I do agree with you that I think OB let to much slide and didn’t push a few things hard enough. Could be he tried but it came out badly like his conversation with Hopkins, could be Watson wouldn’t listen, could be he never tried because he didn’t see a problem or just left it to the QB coaches. Frankly we will never know.

I’ve said many times OB didn’t change the system to fit Watson’s strengths and there is no excuse for that. However Watson is a professional making a crap ton of money and has been doing it long enough where he should be able to see what he needs to most work on and self improve with or without the HC sitting him down for a one on one after every game.
I had questions on the first two sentences.

I agree Watson is a professional and like many of us he has to work on his craft. There were reports of Watson practicing after a loss. He has a QB coach he works with in the offseason. By all accounts, the guy works on his craft. I agree, a coach cannot help a player improve if they don't put in the work.

Early in his career, Ben Roethlisberger had a similar playing style. After Tomlin changed OCs and hired Todd Haley with a mandate to implement a quicker, shorter passing game, Roethlisberger fought him and even threw him under the bus when the offense struggled. Eventually, Haley showed Ben the benefits of not holding onto the ball and taking unnecessary hits. Once Ben bought in, he elevated his game.

No matter how much these guys get paid, coaching still matters. So, again, if you tell me Watson is not executing the simple, quick plays. My question is what is being done to help him execute these plays. Are they changing the progressions, reducing the number of option routes, in practice is a coach using a cattle prod and zaps him if the ball isn't out when he reaches the top of his drop? That's where coaching pays off and that was the point of my questions.
 

Speedy

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Find a post where I compared him to another QB first. Unless you consider anytime someone uses an example as a comparison. In which case you know what those other QBs have that Watson doesn’t, a Super Bowl ring.
You apparently have issues with his performance and production, so you've got to be comparing him to someone. Unless that's not how throw **** against the wall and see what sticks works.
 
You apparently have issues with his performance and production, so you've got to be comparing him to someone. Unless that's not how throw **** against the wall and see what sticks works.
I'm comparing him to himself, hence the reason I'm talking about HIS scouting reports. It's called evaluation of a players progress, what his issues coming out of college were vs where he is now but apparently you think everything is sunshine and roses with Watson and its everything else that's the problem.

Well congratulations because we are going to get to see if you're right because almost everything except Watson is going to be changed. For the love of God I have never seen a fan base so dogmatic about defending a QB that hasn't won any more than past bridge QBs.

Seriously any criticism of him is tsjen as hating on him and wanting him to fail. You must all think he is completely flawless since only one person that is defending him actually answered the question as to what they think his flaws are.
 
I had questions on the first two sentences.

I agree Watson is a professional and like many of us he has to work on his craft. There were reports of Watson practicing after a loss. He has a QB coach he works with in the offseason. By all accounts, the guy works on his craft. I agree, a coach cannot help a player improve if they don't put in the work.

Early in his career, Ben Roethlisberger had a similar playing style. After Tomlin changed OCs and hired Todd Haley with a mandate to implement a quicker, shorter passing game, Roethlisberger fought him and even threw him under the bus when the offense struggled. Eventually, Haley showed Ben the benefits of not holding onto the ball and taking unnecessary hits. Once Ben bought in, he elevated his game.

No matter how much these guys get paid, coaching still matters. So, again, if you tell me Watson is not executing the simple, quick plays. My question is what is being done to help him execute these plays. Are they changing the progressions, reducing the number of option routes, in practice is a coach using a cattle prod and zaps him if the ball isn't out when he reaches the top of his drop? That's where coaching pays off and that was the point of my questions.
You did ask those two questions and then you proceeded to answer them hince i figured they were rhetorical questions.

As for your questions here none of us know everything that was dobe or not done so I'll just go with what I do know.

I know that Texans brought in a top QB coach, thats good.

I know that OB tried to keep using a system that was completely wrong for him, thats bad.

I know that Watson worked out on his own time with his personal coach because league rules said that for that time frame Texan coaches were not allowed to work with him, thats good.

I know this is the same coach he has had for years when he was still making the sane mistakes so either his personal coach doesnt know how to fix the issue or, worse, is reinforcing bad habits, that's bad.

I know that Watson is much better at reading a blitz tgan he was before, thats bad.

I know his answer to that blitz is still to try and play hero and extend the play for the deep ball, thats bad.

I know that there have been players open in the short passings game, thats good.

I know that Watson still doesnt see that players gor some reason, thats bad.

I could go on but I think that answers your questions.
 

FuzzyLogic

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I'm comparing him to himself, hence the reason I'm talking about HIS scouting reports. It's called evaluation of a players progress, what his issues coming out of college were vs where he is now but apparently you think everything is sunshine and roses with Watson and its everything else that's the problem.

Well congratulations because we are going to get to see if you're right because almost everything except Watson is going to be changed. For the love of God I have never seen a fan base so dogmatic about defending a QB that hasn't won any more than past bridge QBs.

Seriously any criticism of him is tsjen as hating on him and wanting him to fail. You must all think he is completely flawless since only one person that is defending him actually answered the question as to what they think his flaws are.
Not directed at me, but my opinion on what you asked...

Some on the forum have 'Deshaun Discussion Burnout' or DDB - on a team that has turned into a dumpster fire and almost every position and/or position group needs to be upgraded or torn down and rebuilt completely - including coaches.... Let's continually discuss DW. In. Every. Thread.

Start a thread about the Oline needing improvement? Read about how DW could make the line better if he would just do more, throw faster, help Martin block then throw etc. etc.

The defense is trash? If only DW could sustain drives the D would be rested and look much better, despite being devoid/robbed of talent by BOB

Running game is inconsistent? - if only DW would be more decisive and keep the ball and run it himself - only team in the league that can't seem to find a diamond in the rough 4th round RB to carry the load, but sure DW run the damn ball

I think you see where this is going... Most reasonable people on this forum agree that this teams QB could improve on some things, some think he has some think he hasn't.

If you are looking at this team and thinking - "man if we just had a QB we'd be contenders" then I would question if we are watching the same team.

I'm still pissed DW got that PR lady fired - if only he would have public relationed better. For shame. For shame.
 
Not directed at me, but my opinion on what you asked...

Some on the forum have 'Deshaun Discussion Burnout' or DDB - on a team that has turned into a dumpster fire and almost every position and/or position group needs to be upgraded or torn down and rebuilt completely - including coaches.... Let's continually discuss DW. In. Every. Thread.

Start a thread about the Oline needing improvement? Read about how DW could make the line better if he would just do more, throw faster, help Martin block then throw etc. etc.

The defense is trash? If only DW could sustain drives the D would be rested and look much better, despite being devoid/robbed of talent by BOB

Running game is inconsistent? - if only DW would be more decisive and keep the ball and run it himself - only team in the league that can't seem to find a diamond in the rough 4th round RB to carry the load, but sure DW run the damn ball

I think you see where this is going... Most reasonable people on this forum agree that this teams QB could improve on some things, some think he has some think he hasn't.

If you are looking at this team and thinking - "man if we just had a QB we'd be contenders" then I would question if we are watching the same team.

I'm still pissed DW got that PR lady fired - if only he would have public relationed better. For shame. For shame.
You are right but as I pointed out in another thread there is literally nothing else on the team worth talking about. Most of the things you mentioned the way the Texans are going to improve is to replace them including coaches. We can’t even have an interesting discussion on the draft because by the third round almost all of the exciting picks are done and it’s mostly fillers, hopefuls and projects. All this with the Texans being over capped and the cap going down so F/A is pretty much out unless the Texans get a real wheeler, dealer for a GM.

Believe me I too wish there was something worth talking about other than Watson but frankly there isn’t unless we just want to talk about how screwed we are for the foreseeable future.
 

FuzzyLogic

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Believe me I too wish there was something worth talking about other than Watson but frankly there isn’t unless we just want to talk about how screwed we are for the foreseeable future.
I think the 'how screwed we are' is a better discussion - then every thread being turned into DW this DW that by the same five or six people.

For example - I think the biggest challenge to getting a good GM / Coach to come to Houston is ownership and team structure. As bad as some perceived Bob McNair to be, e.g. meddling owner etc. look at how much worse it has been since his passing. The team is a dumpster fire, the organization has turned into a a train hauling dumpsters while on fire - every decision being made just looks worse and worse.

Interesting topic, obviously not much we as fans can do their, but how long will it take that statement to be about DW?

As you mentioned DW isn't going anywhere, or Tunsil for that matter - even if you wanted to they are basically untradeable unless BOB gets another GM job somewhere then we might be able to get that teams entire 2021 draft for them + some of 2022. So why focus on them - if the team around them is still this horrible they won't be setup by the org to have success.

So much more interesting to talk about all the other pieces.
 

steelbtexan

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I think the 'how screwed we are' is a better discussion - then every thread being turned into DW this DW that by the same five or six people.

For example - I think the biggest challenge to getting a good GM / Coach to come to Houston is ownership and team structure. As bad as some perceived Bob McNair to be, e.g. meddling owner etc. look at how much worse it has been since his passing. The team is a dumpster fire, the organization has turned into a a train hauling dumpsters while on fire - every decision being made just looks worse and worse.

Interesting topic, obviously not much we as fans can do their, but how long will it take that statement to be about DW?

As you mentioned DW isn't going anywhere, or Tunsil for that matter - even if you wanted to they are basically untradeable unless BOB gets another GM job somewhere then we might be able to get that teams entire 2021 draft for them + some of 2022. So why focus on them - if the team around them is still this horrible they won't be setup by the org to have success.

So much more interesting to talk about all the other pieces.
Cal makes terrible decisions is the reason this team will suck for yrs to come.

Look at the hiring committee he chose. You can't even talk about that without talking about DW4.

Cal giving DW4 160 mil even though history says you can't win a championship like that.

Giving Easterby that much power

Giving BOB that much power.

His choir boy stance about who's drafted and sign In FA.

His lack of participation in bringing in top tier FA's No Eric Murray isn't a top tier FA.

I could go on and on, but hey the Texans always will have a great game day experience. That's what's important.
 
I think the 'how screwed we are' is a better discussion - then every thread being turned into DW this DW that by the same five or six people.

For example - I think the biggest challenge to getting a good GM / Coach to come to Houston is ownership and team structure. As bad as some perceived Bob McNair to be, e.g. meddling owner etc. look at how much worse it has been since his passing. The team is a dumpster fire, the organization has turned into a a train hauling dumpsters while on fire - every decision being made just looks worse and worse.

Interesting topic, obviously not much we as fans can do their, but how long will it take that statement to be about DW?

As you mentioned DW isn't going anywhere, or Tunsil for that matter - even if you wanted to they are basically untradeable unless BOB gets another GM job somewhere then we might be able to get that teams entire 2021 draft for them + some of 2022. So why focus on them - if the team around them is still this horrible they won't be setup by the org to have success.

So much more interesting to talk about all the other pieces.
Alright on that topic I disagree that we can’t attract a good GM or Coach. There are only 32 NFL HC jobs and 32 NFL GM jobs. Anybody wanting these jobs can’t afford to be picky. Texans aren’t the only org that doesn’t have an ideal situation.

Dallas as an egomaniac as a owner and his son as GM and won’t hire any coach they think might take attention away from them, Washington can’t go a week without some national scandal, Bengals are so cheap they have to draft any decent player because as soon as F/A hits they are gone, LA couldn’t get fans to the games if they paid them.

Every team has got something going on except for the championship teams but the kicker is those championship teams aren’t looking to hire a HC or GM. So again if you want to be an NFL HC or GM you are going into a dumpster fire and it’s your job to put it out. That’s pretty much the entire job description.

I would even argue Texans are very appealing HC or GM wise because we are in a no income tax state, we have a hard core fan base that fills the stadium even when the team sucks, a QB that seems to have a sky high ceiling, a team that needs a complete rebuild so they can build the team they want and, in the past at least, an ownership that give way more rope than most teams do. Yeah there are a lot of reasons Texans are an appealing landing spot.

Even the lack of draft picks is just a short term issue because in 22 they have all their picks plus some.
 

FuzzyLogic

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Alright on that topic I disagree that we can’t attract a good GM or Coach. There are only 32 NFL HC jobs and 32 NFL GM jobs. Anybody wanting these jobs can’t afford to be picky. Texans aren’t the only org that doesn’t have an ideal situation.

Dallas as an egomaniac as a owner and his son as GM and won’t hire any coach they think might take attention away from them, Washington can’t go a week without some national scandal, Bengals are so cheap they have to draft any decent player because as soon as F/A hits they are gone, LA couldn’t get fans to the games if they paid them.

Every team has got something going on except for the championship teams but the kicker is those championship teams aren’t looking to hire a HC or GM. So again if you want to be an NFL HC or GM you are going into a dumpster fire and it’s your job to put it out. That’s pretty much the entire job description.

I would even argue Texans are very appealing HC or GM wise because we are in a no income tax state, we have a hard core fan base that fills the stadium even when the team sucks, a QB that seems to have a sky high ceiling, a team that needs a complete rebuild so they can build the team they want and, in the past at least, an ownership that give way more rope than most teams do. Yeah there are a lot of reasons Texans are an appealing landing spot.

Even the lack of draft picks is just a short term issue because in 22 they have all their picks plus some.
Get your point - at some stage power, money, prestige play a role with these jobs and they are limited so not like a guy will pass up an opportunity - I mean the Browns get a new GM and coach every two years and the Texans are known or were known, for giving a GM or coach multiple years regardless of the result. But I still think if you are one of the top GM or HC candidates on the market and you have offers from two teams, are the Texans your first choice given the craziness of the last two years?
 

thunderkyss

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Believe me I too wish there was something worth talking about other than Watson but frankly there isn’t unless we just want to talk about how screwed we are for the foreseeable future.
Well, there is the defense. But we’re all pretty much in agreement there. So discussion is relatively short.

Texansfan#1: defense sucks.
Texansfan#2: yep

Texansfan#1: good talking to you. Let’s do it again sometime.
 

thunderkyss

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As bad as some perceived Bob McNair to be, e.g. meddling owner etc. look at how much worse it has been since his passing. The team is a dumpster fire, the organization has turned into a a train hauling dumpsters while on fire - every decision being made just looks worse and worse.
But how did we get here? They gave total control to Kubiak. Then they switched to Ricky, then they switched to BO’b, now it’s all on Easterby.

If I were GM/HC I’d be drooling at the possibility in a very short time I could have complete control of an NFL franchise & unlike the last bunch of chumps I’ll hold on forever.
 
Get your point - at some stage power, money, prestige play a role with these jobs and they are limited so not like a guy will pass up an opportunity - I mean the Browns get a new GM and coach every two years and the Texans are known or were known, for giving a GM or coach multiple years regardless of the result. But I still think if you are one of the top GM or HC candidates on the market and you have offers from two teams, are the Texans your first choice given the craziness of the last two years?
Depends, I'd take the Texans over Dallas where if I do to well as a HC I'll be fired. Or the Jets who have never recovered from BB screwing them over and now think one splash player, Bell or Trevor for wxample, is all they need. Or Washington where the owner is.....yeah and the team is so lost they literally don't have a name. Or Bengals where they are so cheap a newly drafted player would have to take a grey hound to get to the draft partly.

Yeah we as fans see the F ups Texans have done and we compare them to top organizations but in reality Texans arent near as bad a place to work as we make them out to be.
 

steelbtexan

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Alright on that topic I disagree that we can’t attract a good GM or Coach. There are only 32 NFL HC jobs and 32 NFL GM jobs. Anybody wanting these jobs can’t afford to be picky. Texans aren’t the only org that doesn’t have an ideal situation.

Dallas as an egomaniac as a owner and his son as GM and won’t hire any coach they think might take attention away from them, Washington can’t go a week without some national scandal, Bengals are so cheap they have to draft any decent player because as soon as F/A hits they are gone, LA couldn’t get fans to the games if they paid them.

Every team has got something going on except for the championship teams but the kicker is those championship teams aren’t looking to hire a HC or GM. So again if you want to be an NFL HC or GM you are going into a dumpster fire and it’s your job to put it out. That’s pretty much the entire job description.

I would even argue Texans are very appealing HC or GM wise because we are in a no income tax state, we have a hard core fan base that fills the stadium even when the team sucks, a QB that seems to have a sky high ceiling, a team that needs a complete rebuild so they can build the team they want and, in the past at least, an ownership that give way more rope than most teams do. Yeah there are a lot of reasons Texans are an appealing landing spot.

Even the lack of draft picks is just a short term issue because in 22 they have all their picks plus some.
The fact that ownership wont let the new regime draft the best players possible and that ownership wont spend the $$$$ for top tier FA's makes this the least attractive job this yr.

The Not Texans Worthy thingy isn't going away because the Texans have hired a new GM/HC.
 

steelbtexan

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Depends, I'd take the Texans over Dallas where if I do to well as a HC I'll be fired. Or the Jets who have never recovered from BB screwing them over and now think one splash player, Bell or Trevor for wxample, is all they need. Or Washington where the owner is.....yeah and the team is so lost they literally don't have a name. Or Bengals where they are so cheap a newly drafted player would have to take a grey hound to get to the draft partly.

Yeah we as fans see the F ups Texans have done and we compare them to top organizations but in reality Texans arent near as bad a place to work as we make them out to be.
I'm betting Douglas makes the Jets a winner long before the Texans org becomes a winner. They're chocked full of draft picks will get even more after they trade Darnold. There's probably going to be a bidding war for Darnold. Bears/Redskins (You know the name of the team that the owner wants HIS team to be called)/ 49ers etc...
 
I'm betting Douglas makes the Jets a winner long before the Texans org becomes a winner. They're chocked full of draft picks will get even more after they trade Darnold. There's probably going to be a bidding war for Darnold. Bears/Redskins (You know the name of the team that the owner wants HIS team to be called)/ 49ers etc...
They still have Gase as HC, guy makes OB look like Lombardi.
 

Corrosion

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I had questions on the first two sentences.

I agree Watson is a professional and like many of us he has to work on his craft. There were reports of Watson practicing after a loss. He has a QB coach he works with in the offseason. By all accounts, the guy works on his craft. I agree, a coach cannot help a player improve if they don't put in the work.

Early in his career, Ben Roethlisberger had a similar playing style. After Tomlin changed OCs and hired Todd Haley with a mandate to implement a quicker, shorter passing game, Roethlisberger fought him and even threw him under the bus when the offense struggled. Eventually, Haley showed Ben the benefits of not holding onto the ball and taking unnecessary hits. Once Ben bought in, he elevated his game.

No matter how much these guys get paid, coaching still matters. So, again, if you tell me Watson is not executing the simple, quick plays. My question is what is being done to help him execute these plays. Are they changing the progressions, reducing the number of option routes, in practice is a coach using a cattle prod and zaps him if the ball isn't out when he reaches the top of his drop? That's where coaching pays off and that was the point of my questions.
The one thing that stands out here is "Roethlisberger bought in".


I've said before that its a philosophical issue with Watson - the idea that he can always escape which leads to him hanging onto the ball forever and a day. He's said "that's his way of playing QB".
OB's been gone yet .... nothing about the offense really has.

Until that changes , nothing changes.

Its great that he has that elusiveness - when you need it but not something you want to hang your hat on and that's exactly what he's done and it leads to the boom or bust nature of this offense.

He's got to buy in. So far , Watson hasn't.
 

Speedy

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He's said "that's his way of playing QB".
OB's been gone yet .... nothing about the offense really has.
That's because this offense is still OB's offense. I don't know why you can't grasp that simple concept. He may not physically be in the building anymore, but his playbook, his design, his philosophy, blocking schemes, game plan strategy....all of that is still there. Tim Kelly isn’t changing that. Hell, he’s been under OB’s wing since 2012. That’s basically all he knows, poor fella.

You are right about one thing, until that changes, all these coaches are purged, and a new system, new philosophy, new everything, is brought in, there isn’t going to be much change.
 

steelbtexan

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That's because this offense is still OB's offense. I don't know why you can't grasp that simple concept. He may not physically be in the building anymore, but his playbook, his design, his philosophy, blocking schemes, game plan strategy....all of that is still there. Tim Kelly isn’t changing that. Hell, he’s been under OB’s wing since 2012. That’s basically all he knows, poor fella.

You are right about one thing, until that changes, all these coaches are purged, and a new system, new philosophy, new everything, is brought in, there isn’t going to be much change.
I'm almost sure the coaching philosophy your bringing up doesn't include hanging on to the ball like DW4 does.
 

steelbtexan

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A thread about cutting players and better GM options? Sure....lets de-rail and knock on watson.
Agenda pushing.
So it's ok for the pro DW4 agenda can talk about the failures of the coaching staff, but if I say I'm sure the coaches dont want DW4 to hold onto the ball, I'm derailing the thread. Ok, speaking of agendas, this is just an attempt to silence one side of the debate.
 
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OptimisticTexan

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I'm almost sure the coaching philosophy your bringing up doesn't include hanging on to the ball like DW4 does.
Nor the 40 yard routes before they make their breaks. Or the absolute telegraphed offensive scheme....at least that failure has been kicked to the curb but his “Mini-Me” is still in house as well as the turd known as the OL Coach. Big picture versus pin hole focus.
 

Corrosion

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Douglas inherited Gase.

I bet with his contacts he hires a competent HC. In fact Douglas learned under Ozzie/Reid so why would Bienemy not want to take the Jets job over the Texans job.

If the Jets have the #1 pick .... Having Lawrence locked up for 5 years on a rookie deal is pretty appealing. I'd take that over the Texans current situation ....

Atlanta is rumored to be considering him too .... That team has fallen off the proverbial cliff since that Superbowl disaster.
 

steelbtexan

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Nor the 40 yard routes before they make their breaks. Or the absolute telegraphed offensive scheme....at least that failure has been kicked to the curb but his “Mini-Me” is still in house as well as the turd known as the OL Coach. Big picture versus pin hole focus.
I knew this would be your response. (Nothing is ever DW4's fault) 7 pts. LMAO

Wonder what your response is going to be if things dont change with the next regime.
 

FuzzyLogic

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eh, plenty of things are DW4's fault, a game like yesterday there is plenty of blame to go around everyone played and coached like a bunch of bums.

But we have seen him do enough on a mediocre team to help them win games and make it to the playoffs.

Right now he is on a bad team - horrid team - and can't overcome it by himself (lack of talent, lack of desire whatever - have really only seen a few QB's who could make horrid look 'respectable')

I would like to see what he could do with a good team. What do I see as a good team, I hear you wondering? A team with enough weapons that they are an 8 or 9 win team with a nobody at QB - can Watson take that team to 11, 12, 13 win seasons and playoff wins?
 

OptimisticTexan

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eh, plenty of things are DW4's fault, a game like yesterday there is plenty of blame to go around everyone played and coached like a bunch of bums.

But we have seen him do enough on a mediocre team to help them win games and make it to the playoffs.

Right now he is on a bad team - horrid team - and can't overcome it by himself (lack of talent, lack of desire whatever - have really only seen a few QB's who could make horrid look 'respectable')

I would like to see what he could do with a good team. What do I see as a good team, I hear you wondering? A team with enough weapons that they are an 8 or 9 win team with a nobody at QB - can Watson take that team to 11, 12, 13 win seasons and playoff wins?
Your logic is not fuzzy at all.
 

amazing80

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A great QB like Watson is pushing too hard to carry this team. Look at Wilson right now, bad defense, limited OL and he too is struggling. Watson will continue to press the issue because he doesn't seem to trust his team around him. Another OB blunder. This team is going to look like trash every week until the season ends. Expecting anything different is pointless. Judging any of these guys on-field production at this point is pointless.

The front office is butchering this search and it really hasn't even started. They better get aligned and get someone in here that will bring credibility to the search, or we may end up with Bill O'Brien 2.0
 

steelbtexan

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A great QB like Watson is pushing too hard to carry this team. Look at Wilson right now, bad defense, limited OL and he too is struggling. Watson will continue to press the issue because he doesn't seem to trust his team around him. Another OB blunder. This team is going to look like trash every week until the season ends. Expecting anything different is pointless. Judging any of these guys on-field production at this point is pointless.

The front office is butchering this search and it really hasn't even started. They better get aligned and get someone in here that will bring credibility to the search, or we may end up with Bill O'Brien 2.0
7 pts isn't pressing, it's just bad and that goes not just for DW4 but the entire offense.

You're onto something, nobody is going to be added to the search committee. They are more likely to end up with BOB or worse than a McVay/Lil Shanny.
 

Corrosion

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eh, plenty of things are DW4's fault, a game like yesterday there is plenty of blame to go around everyone played and coached like a bunch of bums.

But we have seen him do enough on a mediocre team to help them win games and make it to the playoffs.

Right now he is on a bad team - horrid team - and can't overcome it by himself (lack of talent, lack of desire whatever - have really only seen a few QB's who could make horrid look 'respectable')

I would like to see what he could do with a good team. What do I see as a good team, I hear you wondering? A team with enough weapons that they are an 8 or 9 win team with a nobody at QB - can Watson take that team to 11, 12, 13 win seasons and playoff wins?

You mean like the team OB took over .... that was a solid roster missing a QB.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
I could go on and on, but hey the Texans always will have a great game day experience. That's what's important.
Someone posted a video in a thread a few days back. It was President Jamey Rootes talking about the Texans. The guy was bragging about the "game day" experience, saying the Texans' is the best in the NFL. Then he went on to say that "we have over 3,000 people on the season ticket waiting list", but he said it arrogantly, smug. Like he (the Texans) don't give a damn if they win or not, but by God we gonna take your money and be rich!
(Nothing is ever DW4's fault) 7 pts. LMAO
And that one TD looked like it was a mistake, lucky. Two receivers right next to one another. Who was he throwing it to?? Terrible offense.
 

KoolAid Sipper

Waterboy
And that one TD looked like it was a mistake, lucky. Two receivers right next to one another. Who was he throwing it to?? Terrible offense.
I was wondering the same thing when I saw the play and because it was a TD it wasn't highlighted...this offense sucks. Maybe not in philosophy but for the Texans it has either been too difficult, too rigid, badly executed and never consistent. Couple that with underwhelming coaching, underachieving players and a bad GM and you have Texans à la mode.
 

mws

Waterboy
The one thing that stands out here is "Roethlisberger bought in".
The article seems a bit vague about the "Early in his career, Ben Roethlisberger had a similar playing style" part so here is some stats to flesh it out.

Before Roethlisberger Bought into Todd Haley

Regular Season Record From 2004 - 2011
89-39-0 .695

2004 - Lost AFCCG
2005 - Won SB XL
2008 - Won SB XLIII
2010 - Lost SB XLV

After Roethlisberger Bought into Todd Haley

During Todd Haley's Tenure 2012-2018
70-41-1 .631

2016 - Lost AFCCG
 

SnakeEyes

Waterboy
We need to put Watson's QB coach on the payroll. Then if his play stays as is you can fire him. Which is some I would not be surprised to see. Seeing Watson is set up for the full contract no matter what. And we all know that. McNair would only be willing to get rid of him (good or bad play) IF:
1- A team took the whole remaining amount of the contract.
2- His deal ran out.

No, not saying that he should go. Just stating that the FO is so messed up they only see $$$ not performance of ANYONE. True, you would think that they would figure out that if you win BIG games and make it to title games and SBs you can make much more. But, BoB didn't understand, so why would Cal?
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
We need to put Watson's QB coach on the payroll. Then if his play stays as is you can fire him. Which is some I would not be surprised to see. Seeing Watson is set up for the full contract no matter what. And we all know that. McNair would only be willing to get rid of him (good or bad play) IF:
1- A team took the whole remaining amount of the contract.
2- His deal ran out.

No, not saying that he should go. Just stating that the FO is so messed up they only see $$$ not performance of ANYONE. True, you would think that they would figure out that if you win BIG games and make it to title games and SBs you can make much more. But, BoB didn't understand, so why would Cal?

I think that personal QB coach might be part of the problem .... rather than the solution.
 


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