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CloakNNNdagger

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The sports media, former and even one current NFL player (JJ Watt) is either baffled or furious over the Texans firing Amy Palcic. Apparently she is much more than just a PR rep for a lot of people in the business.

Amy Palcic was such a key player for the Texans organization in so many facets that most do not know. She was the one that helped smoothed over Bob McNair's "inmates" comment firestorm. She was 90% responsible for the PR and promotion of Watt's Hurricane Harvey campaign (while Watt offered mostly his name) which was originally expected to raise only a fraction of the $37 million that was ultimately collected. She also accompanied Watt New York after arranging his appearance on SNL. Those in the know feel that there is a Communications Director position in her future...........not for another team..........but for one of the professional leagues.

Firing Palcic will leave no one that can "clean up" this League-wide glaringly noticed mess of a FO decision.
 

Earl34

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While I understand JJs point on offensive holds not being called that probably benefits Texans more than hurts them.
I'm not sure how much it benefits the Texans' OL. Doesn't the OL have to at least get their hands on the defenders to get the benefits of holding not being called?
 
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CloakNNNdagger

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Who will pull out the sword that Jamey Rootes fell on..............will it be Cal or Easterby? My guess is they leave it in a little bit longer, until things begin to die down a whole lot more.

Blaming everybody else is great until you've got nobody left around to blame but yourself............and that day's coming with the Texans............hear that, Cal?
 

Earl34

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Random thought of the day. Since the Texans have never been able to do a good job distributing carries between RBs, I should not be surprise that they couldn't distribute playing time between so many WRs.

I thought with his versatility, Stills would have rotated between the slot and outside positions to keep Cooks, Cobb and Fuller fresh, but he's basically disappeared from the offense. He has 10 catches for 138 yards and the worst catch rate among WRs.

To his credit, I haven't seen him pouting and he always seems to be enthusiastically supporting his teammates, but at what point do we put Kenny Stills on a milk carton?
 
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badboy

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Amy Palcic was such a key player for the Texans organization in so many facets that most do not know. She was the one that helped smoothed over Bob McNair's "inmates" comment firestorm. She was 90% responsible for the PR and promotion of Watt's Hurricane Harvey campaign (while Watt offered mostly his name) which was originally expected to raise only a fraction of the $37 million that was ultimately collected. She also accompanied Watt New York after arranging his appearance on SNL. Those in the know feel that there is a Communications Director position in her future...........not for another team..........but for one of the professional leagues.

Firing Palcic will leave no one that can "clean up" this League-wide glaringly noticed mess of a FO decision.
Wonder if any thought by XFL to hire her? She probably would not be interested.
 

badboy

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Random thought of the day. Since the Texans have never been able to do a good job distributing carries between RBs, I should not be surprise that they couldn't distribute playing time between so many WRs.

I thought with his versatility, Stills would have rotated between the slot and outside positions to keep Cooks, Cobb and Fuller fresh, but he's basically disappeared from the offense. He has 10 catches for 138 yards and the worst catch rate among WRs.

To his credit, I haven't seen him pouting and he always seems to be enthusiastically supporting his teammates, but at what point do we put Kenny Stills on a milk carton?
No trade, he's not being brought back unless they want him outside opposite Cooks. If WFV extends reasonably, Stills gone. I think like most RBs, Stills needs targets.
 

Double Barrel

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She knows their dirt lol so of course they will attempt to settle out of court. But we know when a woman is scorned she can get pretty nasty. Especially a very smart one.
It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.
 

badboy

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It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.
I taught him everything I know..and he is successful anyway!
 

Corrosion

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It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.

One thing we have to remember here .... Texas is a "right to work state" ..... the employer doesn't really need a reason to terminate.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Plus Watt likes her.
As strongly vocal Watt has been for and against so many issues and personnel in the past, even in the recent past, and as much as he has to owe Amy in so many ways, he has not come out in defense of her with any significant criticism of the firing. Being vocal is very easy when you don't put anything of yourself on the line, as in publicly addressing the FO. From of all people, she deserved at least that from Watt.
 
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steelbtexan

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It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.
I've had them represent our company. They're very good at what they do.
 

banned1976

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As strongly vocal Watt has been for and against so many issues and personnel in the past, even in the recent past, and as much as he has to owe Amy in so many ways, he has not come out in defense of her with any significant criticism of the firing. Being vocal is very easy when you don't put anything of yourself on the line, as in publicly addressing the FO. From of all people, she deserved at least that from Watt.
(Tongue partially in cheek)
He’s married now. Wouldn’t be prudent to put himself out there like that for another woman.

The reality is, if he came out and publicly blasted the organization over this, many people would speculate he’s doing it to force a trade.

Watt will likely be traded in the offseason. For the sake of the future of this team, I prefer him to have a quiet season off the field and a loud one on it. This isn’t his battle to fight.
 

badboy

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As strongly vocal Watt has been for and against so many issues and personnel in the past, even in the recent past, and as much as he has to owe Amy in so many ways, he has not come out in defense of her with any significant criticism of the firing. Being vocal is very easy when you don't put anything of yourself on the line, as in publicly addressing the FO. From of all people, she deserved at least that from Watt.
Yeah during an interview he did mention her help with hurricane relief but did not say much more. His contract isn't guaranteed.
 

IDEXAN

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It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.
Th Texans organization, and I mean the ownership, I mean the ownership most of all, is just incredibly incompetent and dense when it comes to handling any kind of personnel matters it seems.
Why didn't they just sit down with this young woman and tell her they wanted to go a "different way" when it came to her position and write a check
some where in the 7 figures area and be done with it because that's what's gonna happen here anyway with this little family squabble
as it will never see the the light of day in any court room, i.e., they will settle with the plaintiff out of court but now they've also got all of the negative PR.
 

Double Barrel

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One thing we have to remember here .... Texas is a "right to work state" ..... the employer doesn't really need a reason to terminate.
Yep. But, in the so-called 'court of public opinion', the Texans have a lot to lose here. I fully expect them to settle before it gets that far. Then they'll just sweep it under the rug.

I'm not sure about "public." If it turns out to be a large or embarassing settlement, I would expect the settlement to be sealed.
Yeah, I meant "public" if it goes to trial. But like most, I think this one gets settled. The Texans have nothing to gain by a trial. And we will never know the amount.
 

Earl34

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Th Texans organization, and I mean the ownership, I mean the ownership most of all, is just incredibly incompetent and dense when it comes to handling any kind of personnel matters it seems.
Why didn't they just sit down with this young woman and tell her they wanted to go a "different way" when it came to her position and write a check
some where in the 7 figures area and be done with it because that's what's gonna happen here anyway with this little family squabble
as it will never see the the light of day in any court room, i.e., they will settle with the plaintiff out of court but now they've also got all of the negative PR.
Excellent points. Regarding incompetence. As mentioned previously, Texas is a RTW state. Was it necessary to mention "cultural fit"? Why not simply say, new direction or something similar? With Jamey Rootes coming out with a book on leadership/culture and everyone wondering what is a Jack Easterby and you want to minimize negative perceptions, why allow this negative impression to potentially impact candidates for the GM and HC openings?

EDIT: It seems Jamey Rootes is doing radio interviews and mentioning "trust" as a factor without going into details. Again, this is the same group who stood around and trusted O'Brien with the GM role and the keys to NRG. Go figure.
 

mws

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One thing we have to remember here .... Texas is a "right to work state" ..... the employer doesn't really need a reason to terminate.
That's true but you can still file a wrongful termination suit & win it in Texas for any of the reasons below.

1. Wrongful Termination Based on Breach of Contract
2. Wrongful Termination Based on Discrimination
3. Wrongful Termination Based on Retaliation
4. Wrongful Termination Based on Harassment
5. Wrongful Termination Based on Refusal to Perform a Criminal Act
6. Wrongful Termination Based on Violation of Civil Rights Statutes
 

Corrosion

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That's true but you can still file a wrongful termination suit & win it in Texas for any of the reasons below.

1. Wrongful Termination Based on Breach of Contract
2. Wrongful Termination Based on Discrimination
3. Wrongful Termination Based on Retaliation
4. Wrongful Termination Based on Harassment
5. Wrongful Termination Based on Refusal to Perform a Criminal Act
6. Wrongful Termination Based on Violation of Civil Rights Statutes

Sure you can ..... but you gotta prove any of the above. That's quite difficult.

But @Double Barrel is probably correct that they settle.
 

mws

Waterboy
It is definitely stacked in the employers favor but speaking as a union steward for 20+ years in Texas that sat in on over 100 federal mediations I would say that close to 35% of the people that got fired got their job back & probably around 20% also got back pay.
 

SnakeEyes

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It's gonna' cost Cal. Her lawyer, Joseph Ahmad, appears to be the real deal. Guys like that don't fool around and don't take cases they cannot win. :popcorn:

Mr. Ahmad has been recognized nationally as one of the best lawyers in his field and was elected to the prestigious American Board of Trial Advocates, an elite group of the country’s leading judges and civil trial lawyers. He has been selected by his peers as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 2003 and he was named "2015 Lawyer of the Year" in the Employment Individual category for the Houston area. Mr. Ahmad has been recognized as one of the leading Employment & Labor Law attorneys in "Chambers USA: America’s Leading Lawyers for Business." He has also been named to the Texas Super Lawyers list since 2003, been on the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Houston since 2006, and been in the Texas Super Lawyers Top 100 in Texas every year but one since 2006. Having tried more than 50 employment law cases to a verdict, and argued more than a dozen cases on appeal, he is a nationally recognized expert in the trial of employment cases.
Cal is hiding.
 

steelbtexan

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It is definitely stacked in the employers favor but speaking as a union steward for 20+ years in Texas that sat in on over 100 federal mediations I would say that close to 35% of the people that got fired got their job back & probably around 20% also got back pay.
So unions can force employees on employers that employers dont want they want to fire and they can do this in the State of Texas?
 

IDEXAN

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The report she received from national media was immense.

Charean Williams, former president of Pro Football Writers of America, tweeted: "The Texans have turned into one of the worst organizations in football since Bob McNair died. @amypalcic was the best. She certainly was too good for what the Texans deserve."
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Yea ole Cal and his entourage of bozos are quite a crew.
 

FuzzyLogic

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Agree as bad as the on field product has been, I can still be a fan of a bad football team.

The organizational problems we have seen over the past few years - that is what's making me question being able to support the team - at this point the McNairs are showing their asses to the world.
 

steelbtexan

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Agree as bad as the on field product has been, I can still be a fan of a bad football team.

The organizational problems we have seen over the past few years - that is what's making me question being able to support the team - at this point the McNairs are showing their asses to the world.
They haven't changed.

Fans are just beginning to wake up and now that they fired a woman that the media respected the media is turning on them. Of course for some fans the media sets the narrative. See: Luhnow

Of course this doesn't include Pancakes.
 
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FuzzyLogic

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They haven't changed.

Fans are just beginning to wake up and now that they fired a woman that theedia respected the media is turning on them. Of course for some fans the media sets the narrative. See: Luhnow

Of course this doesn't include Pancakes.
Really you don't think they/things have changed? I get your point that even under old Bob McNair you, and some others, thought he was a meddling, incompetent owner and you may not have been wrong.

But the last two years have been a ninja whirlwind of bad decisions - the extensions of mid-range players to overvalued contracts, the trades of any and all draft capitol for players of questionable value/performance, the weird firings (yeah the PR lady is included, but Olsen sticks out even more and for me), the absolute most concerning is turning the entire franchise into the 'Cult of Easterby' it's just downright strange.
 

steelbtexan

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Really you don't think they/things have changed? I get your point that even under old Bob McNair you, and some others, thought he was a meddling, incompetent owner and you may not have been wrong.

But the last two years have been a ninja whirlwind of bad decisions - the extensions of mid-range players to overvalued contracts, the trades of any and all draft capitol for players of questionable value/performance, the weird firings (yeah the PR lady is included, but Olsen sticks out even more and for me), the absolute most concerning is turning the entire franchise into the 'Cult of Easterby' it's just downright strange.
The Cult of Easterby

The Cult of RS.

The McNair's love them some snake oil salesmen.
 


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