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Texans Player Transaction DISCUSSION Thread

Checking the temp from Steelers fans, they are celebrating getting rid of Green and saying even a 6th is a fleecing of the Texans. Thwy say he was epically bad.

i get that he may be better suited to this system but i have zero confidence that this guy will end up a quality starter or even an adequate starter.

Getting rid of Deiter under the circumstances is crazy and if i am Cal and Hannah im calling Nick and Meco on the carpet for Deiter and King. They better have a damn good explanation on both.
 
Porky said:
Checking the temp from Steelers fans, they are celebrating getting rid of Green and saying even a 6th is a fleecing of the Texans. Thwy say he was epically bad.

i get that he may be better suited to this system but i have zero confidence that this guy will end up a quality starter or even an adequate starter.

Getting rid of Deiter under the circumstances is crazy and if i am Cal and Hannah im calling Nick and Meco on the carpet for Deiter and King. They better have a damn good explanation on both.
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Yeah but now we have two Greens on team again!

Do you realize how important that is?
 
Porky said:
Checking the temp from Steelers fans, they are celebrating getting rid of Green and saying even a 6th is a fleecing of the Texans. Thwy say he was epically bad.

i get that he may be better suited to this system but i have zero confidence that this guy will end up a quality starter or even an adequate starter.

Getting rid of Deiter under the circumstances is crazy and if i am Cal and Hannah im calling Nick and Meco on the carpet for Deiter and King. They better have a damn good explanation on both.
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I'm not sure an inquest is necessarily required as both are basically a slight step up from a JAG.

Simple fact is King got outplayed and while Deiter seems confusing I'm fully expecting him to be back on the roster after things are fully sorted out.
 
Porky said:
Getting rid of Deiter under the circumstances is crazy and if i am Cal and Hannah im calling Nick and Meco on the carpet for Deiter and King. They better have a damn good explanation on both.
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Don't be surprised if Dieters makes it back on the roster by next week. There may be a player (or players) on the current 53 man roster that will be placed on the IR-Return Designation list. If that happens, a roster spot opens.
 
Sweech said:
I'm not sure an inquest is necessarily required as both are basically a slight step up from a JAG.

Simple fact is King got outplayed and while Deiter seems confusing I'm fully expecting him to be back on the roster after things are fully sorted out.
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Who outplayed King? He is a solid nickel corner, who was essentially a starting corner on this team. He also added value at PR. Thomas is a good ST player, but you can’t value teams over core duties. Thomas is nowhere near as good at slot corner as King. But you made a claim so let’s hear it. Who outplayed King at nickel corner?
 
Porky said:
Who outplayed King? He is a solid nickel corner, who was essentially a starting corner on this team. He also added value at PR. Thomas is a good ST player, but you can’t value teams over core duties. Thomas is nowhere near as good at slot corner as King. But you made a claim so let’s hear it. Who outplayed King at nickel corner?
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Thomas is the better nickel CB. IMHO

I still would have kept King.
 
Porky said:
Who outplayed King? He is a solid nickel corner, who was essentially a starting corner on this team. He also added value at PR. Thomas is a good ST player, but you can’t value teams over core duties. Thomas is nowhere near as good at slot corner as King. But you made a claim so let’s hear it. Who outplayed King at nickel corner?
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I would assume whoever they intend to start there outplayed him at least in the eyes of the coaching staff. I mean do you really think Ryans was like "yeah man King's better but let's just cut him for fun".
 
Y'all know I'm a huge Meco fan, but I have blind faith in no man. I want to know in what universe is Thomas a better corner than King. A reasonable case cannot be made imho.

If DeMeco says Thomas is better, than I'm going to start questioning the hire because that's a load of horse manure.
 
JB said:
Because you're an infallible judge of talent right?

You don't know what all went into the decision
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SOS. Defend the indefensible and follow the pied piper right off the cliff. I've got eyes. I know the two players. You're not going to convince me that Thomas is better than King at corner.

There's no question which is better on defense. So, either they value ST more than I do, or there's something off the field that happened.
 
Porky said:
SOS. Defend the indefensible and follow the pied piper right off the cliff. I've got eyes. I know the two players. You're not going to convince me that Thomas is better than King at corner.

There's no question which is better on defense. So, either they value ST more than I do, or there's something off the field that happened.
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Or DeMeco knows who fits better in what he wants to do
 
Porky said:
Y'all know I'm a huge Meco fan, but I have blind faith in no man. I want to know in what universe is Thomas a better corner than King. A reasonable case cannot be made imho.

If DeMeco says Thomas is better, than I'm going to start questioning the hire because that's a load of horse manure.
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That's more than a little over the top. I know King has made plays over the past 2 seasons in Houston. But he also allowed 68% completions, compared to Thomas's 62%. Frankly, I thought Hollman had shown more this preseason than both King and Thomas. Either way, I wouldn't say Thomas is completely safe on the roster.
 
Porky said:
Y'all know I'm a huge Meco fan, but I have blind faith in no man. I want to know in what universe is Thomas a better corner than King. A reasonable case cannot be made imho.

If DeMeco says Thomas is better, than I'm going to start questioning the hire because that's a load of horse manure.
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My thing has always been I'll believe it until I don't see it with new hires. Part of that is natural optimism as a fan but ultimately Ryans played in the league at a high level and then has spent his time since retiring as a coach in this league. He's been an assistant in a few top tier defenses and then lead a few more after that. I don't trust him blindly but at this point there's nothing to go off of but success for him.

If we get out there a few weeks into the season and Thomas is struggling badly then yeah there's some questions to be asked. Until then I'll trust the guy with the resume above over my own amateur talent evaluation. Not to mention the Athletic Football podcast with Nate Tice and Robert Mays (two fairly respected analysts) had some glowing things to say about Thomas over the offseason so it's not just Ryans who seems to think highly of him.

My question to you is do you really feel at this point with the resume above that you are a better talent evaluator than Ryans?
 
Porky said:
In what universe is Thomas better? He got torched the other night by NO backups.
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Do you remember 2 yrs ago, he was a pro bowl level nickel.

Remember he was playing with the backups too.

Either you trust Ryans vision of what he wants for his defense or you dont. I thought you were all in on Ryans?
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you remember 2 yrs ago, he was a pro bowl level nickel.

Remember he was playing with the backups too.

Either you trust Ryans vision of what he wants for his defense or you dont. I thought you were all in on Ryans?
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I'm not into blind homerism or nodding yes to every move, good or bad. As Reagan once said about Russia - trust, but verify.

Yes, he's got a long leash from me and most of the fans. I'm not saying fire the guy. Not even close. He's got at least 3 years at min, unless it's just total disaster which would be shocking.

But at the very least, the fans deserve an explanation. King is a good player. There's a reason why the Steelers wasted no time in bringing him in.

I don't buy Hollman or Thomas as being better at nickel. On 3rd and 8, who do you want out there? Thomas? I don't. Give me King, all day every day.

I suspect there's more going on than meets the eye and I think it behooves the Texans to give us some insight into the thinking. Literally, the guy has been playing starter slot corner all 3 preseason games. It's not like he was sliding down the depth chart. So...what gives?
 
Porky said:
I'm not into blind homerism or nodding yes to every move, good or bad. As Reagan once said about Russia - trust, but verify.

Yes, he's got a long leash from me and most of the fans. I'm not saying fire the guy. Not even close. He's got at least 3 years at min, unless it's just total disaster which would be shocking.

But at the very least, the fans deserve an explanation. King is a good player. There's a reason why the Steelers wasted no time in bringing him in.

I don't buy Hollman or Thomas as being better at nickel. On 3rd and 8, who do you want out there? Thomas? I don't. Give me King, all day every day.

I suspect there's more going on than meets the eye and I think it behooves the Texans to give us some insight into the thinking. Literally, the guy has been playing starter slot corner all 3 preseason games. It's not like he was sliding down the depth chart. So...what gives?
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You think I'm a homer? 😂

The fans don't deserve crap, other than to watch the team and hope they succeed. This was made abundantly clear with the Stroud pick. They're going to do what they want to do for whatever reasons they see fit and fans can either accept this or not.
 
Porky said:
Who outplayed King? He is a solid nickel corner, who was essentially a starting corner on this team. He also added value at PR. Thomas is a good ST player, but you can’t value teams over core duties. Thomas is nowhere near as good at slot corner as King. But you made a claim so let’s hear it. Who outplayed King at nickel corner?
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Steven Nelson?
 
Speedy said:
So that the TEXANS PLAYER TRANSACTION thread doesn't get all clogged up.

All you have to do is hit the quote button on a post there, and insert it here.


Signed as a UDFA by the Texans in 2017, cut at the end of camp.
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Like the man said.
 
Porky said:
Who outplayed King? He is a solid nickel corner, who was essentially a starting corner on this team. He also added value at PR. Thomas is a good ST player, but you can’t value teams over core duties. Thomas is nowhere near as good at slot corner as King. But you made a claim so let’s hear it. Who outplayed King at nickel corner?
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Hollman and Thomas outplayed him.

As much as you might want to gnash your teeth about it King didn't really do anything in camp or in games.

The amount of tears you've already shed over the move has me thinking we lost an All-Pro or something.
 
Porky said:
Y'all know I'm a huge Meco fan, but I have blind faith in no man. I want to know in what universe is Thomas a better corner than King. A reasonable case cannot be made imho.

If DeMeco says Thomas is better, than I'm going to start questioning the hire because that's a load of horse manure.
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King had a bad Miami game. I liked him but I heard he had some locker room problems??
 
steelbtexan said:
You think I'm a homer? 😂

The fans don't deserve crap, other than to watch the team and hope they succeed. This was made abundantly clear with the Stroud pick. They're going to do what they want to do for whatever reasons they see fit and fans can either accept this or not.
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sure as hell hasn’t slowed down your criticism of them. in fact I would say you’re unequivocally the biggest critic of this team on this board. Well except for many texian. But no one pays much attention to him. :)
 
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Lucky said:
Like the man said.
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Doesn't your post clog the thread when you could have just 'like' his post as I could have 'like' your post rather than commenting?

I would add 'serious question ' but that would not be correct.
 
mussop said:
sure as hell hasn’t slowed down your criticism of them. in fact I would say you’re unequivocally the biggest critic of this team on this board. Well except for many texian. But no one pays much attention to him. :)
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Difference is I'm really a very big Texans fan.
 
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