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Earl34 said:
I don't know if the Texans have ever said who is calling the protections. I think because it's a WCO, many are assuming it's the center. It can be the center, QB or both.

Fun fact. Brady ran the EP offense and the QB is in charge of calling the protections. However, Manning was one of the smartest QBs in NFL history and Jeff Saturday his center was making the majority of the protection calls. All that Omaha crap was to distract the defense and for audibles. Even when Manning would change the protection it was up to Saturday to communicate to the OL. So, without the HC, OC or OL coach answering that question it's hard to know.
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Thanks. I believe that, at least once, I recall an OG may have called the protections, because of his experience. And of course, some OGs have experience at the C position, so there's that. I was thinking, because of the Texans inexperience at the C position, Mason might call protections. It very well may be that Scruggs has that responsibility, but it's not a given, hence my question.
 
Earl34 said:
I don't know if the Texans have ever said who is calling the protections. I think because it's a WCO, many are assuming it's the center. It can be the center, QB or both.

Fun fact. Brady ran the EP offense and the QB is in charge of calling the protections. However, Manning was one of the smartest QBs in NFL history and Jeff Saturday his center was making the majority of the protection calls. All that Omaha crap was to distract the defense and for audibles. Even when Manning would change the protection it was up to Saturday to communicate to the OL. So, without the HC, OC or OL coach answering that question it's hard to know.
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Number19 said:
Thanks. I believe that, at least once, I recall an OG may have called the protections, because of his experience. And of course, some OGs have experience at the C position, so there's that. I was thinking, because of the Texans inexperience at the C position, Mason might call protectionWatss. It very well may be that Scruggs has that responsibility, but it's not a given, hence my question.
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I remember reading this article to this season. If indeed Stroud has been given play calling responsibilities, he will have likely been given protection calls. Turning over such important responsibilities to a questionably experienced QB only in his 2nd year (after teams have had lots of film on him which they didn't last year) is likely overestimating his abilities beyond basic QB play. This could explain a lot of things about many of the WTF plays and poor pass protection. At this point in time, if Texans fans can fairly judge Stroud, he is not Brady..........at least certainly not at this point in time. Before these important responsibilities are ever turned over to a QB, that QB must be seasoned and exposed to everything under the sun..................which you don't get in one or two seasons.

Watson was give full control of the Browns offense................and the play calling was awful..........as awful as the pass protection.


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Houston Texans' QB CJ Stroud to Have Full Control Calling Plays in 2024 Season​

The Houston Texans offense will stay improved starting Week 1 of the 2024 season.

Kade Kimble | Jun 23, 2024​

 
Argue all day about the offensive line, but the fact is it's not working very well and hasn't in a while. The Texans just aren't going very far with this line, whatever it's problems are. I expect another one and done in the playoffs this year because of the frigging oline.
 
Tape & sample size both College & Pro’s to evaluate prospect/player in real time.

Kenyon is a road grader, Slowick should be running more in 3 or 4 man DL. Establish confidence and execution. Problem is, Tunsil playing next to him, strength is pass pro. Patterson can do both so a better pairing even though Greene is superior run blocker (he struggles reading & reacting) in pass pro.

Thats why I’ve been saying it’s on coaching, Stressel to refine technique, Bobby to implement. Fair? But overriding all that is protection for CJ, Slowick has to commit what’s on this roster, to help CJ and give him time to settle in the pocket yet quickly get the ball out on time.

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beerlover said:
Tape & sample size both College & Pro’s to evaluate prospect/player in real time.

Kenyon is a road grader, Slowick should be running more in 3 or 4 man DL. Establish confidence and execution. Problem is, Tunsil playing next to him, strength is pass pro. Patterson can do both so a better pairing even though Greene is superior run blocker (he struggles reading & reacting) in pass pro.

Thats why I’ve been saying it’s on coaching, Stressel to refine technique, Bobby to implement. Fair? But overriding all that is protection for CJ, Slowick has to commit what’s on this roster, to help CJ and give him time to settle in the pocket yet quickly get the ball out on time.

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That was before all of his injuries and surgeries. Certainly, now that he is on IR, he is a non factor............and I hope, especially after another major surgery on his shoulder, the Texans don't keep on trying to prove that he is any viable option in the future.

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Only Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil didn’t allow a sack against the Jets.

And the grades are in from this debacle. Before he left the game with a dislocated left shoulder that could end his season as he heads to injured reserve, struggling left guard Kenyon Green allowed one sack and three pressures for a 9.2 pass blocking grade on a scale of 0 to 100, according to Pro Football Focus analytics. His replacement, Kendrick Green, was admittedly rusty and he looked that way as he allowed five pressures and one sack for a 0.4 pass blocking grade. Right guard Shaq Mason had a 22.0 pass blocking grade, allowing a pair of sacks and four pressures. Aaron Wilson
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I’ve tried like hell to give Meco and Bobby the benefit of the doubt.I’ve always loved Meco and was thrilled when he was selected. Bobby grew on me in his time here and is as down to earth and straight talking as the come.

But it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they are both due a failing grade for this season.

Meco? Slow to react. No accountability. Not just asking, but demanding major changes.why does Stausser still have a job. Seems to me Meco is an ostrich. Sticks his head in the sand and hope the offense works itself out. Meco you aren’t DC anymore, you are HC. Start demanding accountability and the enforce it - right up to the OC level if necessary/.

Bobby - insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Quit forcing square pegs into round holes. Quit running what you want this offense to be and start running what it NEEDS to be. If I’m Meco, Bobby is on the razors edge. If Bobby wants to be here the rest of this year and 25, he needs to get his **** together, and fast. The clock is ticking fast on his tenure..again IF Meco can hold people accountable. If he can’t, that’s going to end up being DeMecos Achilles heel and will limit his effectiveness ala GK.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I remember reading this article to this season. If indeed Stroud has been given play calling responsibilities, he will have likely been given protection calls. Turning over such important responsibilities to a questionably experienced QB only in his 2nd year (after teams have had lots of film on him which they didn't last year) is likely overestimating his abilities beyond basic QB play. This could explain a lot of things about many of the WTF plays and poor pass protection. At this point in time, if Texans fans can fairly judge Stroud, he is not Brady..........at least certainly not at this point in time. Before these important responsibilities are ever turned over to a QB, that QB must be seasoned and exposed to everything under the sun..................which you don't get in one or two seasons.

Watson was give full control of the Browns offense................and the play calling was awful..........as awful as the pass protection.


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Houston Texans' QB CJ Stroud to Have Full Control Calling Plays in 2024 Season​

The Houston Texans offense will stay improved starting Week 1 of the 2024 season.

Kade Kimble | Jun 23, 2024​

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Good article & it aligns with my previous post when I said we have no idea what play Slowick called. So it's really difficult for us to be able to say Slowick is not calling plays well.

We basically see the play after Stroud has called the play at the LOS & the individual pieces have interpreted what Stroud communicated to them. & there appears to be a lot of miscommunication propagating on the field.

While I don't believe we can say, "Slowick is a poor play-caller." I think it is fair to say he's pretty bad at isolating the problems & correcting them. Was Kenyon Green the problem with pass protection? Maybe not but he was a big problem. Should it have taken 8 weeks to bench him? Then when your first solution was taken away was it prudent to put him back in line? Did it take another injury to get him off the field again? How many of us, who doesn't see what Slowick sees in practice, would have made that same decision? What could he possibly see in practice to make him think letting Stroud deal with the Kenyon Green problem is the best course of action?

Why is it so hard to get the TEs involved in the passing game? We're two starting WRs down. Yes, the WR depth has got to step up... but c'mon. They're burried on the depth chart for a reason.

Similarly & I know it sounds like a small thing for the uninitiated, but this RB rotation is not good strategy. It's not the way to win a Championship. Not in today's NFL, not with a 17 game season.
 
beerlover said:
Tape & sample size both College & Pro’s to evaluate prospect/player in real time.

Kenyon is a road grader, Slowick should be running more in 3 or 4 man DL. Establish confidence and execution. Problem is, Tunsil playing next to him, strength is pass pro. Patterson can do both so a better pairing even though Greene is superior run blocker (he struggles reading & reacting) in pass pro.

Thats why I’ve been saying it’s on coaching, Stressel to refine technique, Bobby to implement. Fair? But overriding all that is protection for CJ, Slowick has to commit what’s on this roster, to help CJ and give him time to settle in the pocket yet quickly get the ball out on time.

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Yes,

But as poor as Tunsil is in run-blocking, they run well to the left. The problem, to me, is they need to figure out how to run well to the right. & figure out how to run from a spread formation whether in shotgun or under center.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’m a true believer of building absolute fortified trenches or the Dirty Dozen (LT, LG, OC, RG, RT, DE, DT, DT, DE, OLB, ILB, OLB). The trenches are the backbone of the team. Everything they scheme on both sides of the ball has its success begin and end with the guys in the trenches. Get this right and add a QB1 like CJ Stroud and suddenly a team would become unstoppable. Many of the old NFL’s coolest nicknames were attributed to a teams trench units. Texans and Caserio need to find this path and get there quickly.
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It needs to be handled the same way the Dline was handled last offseason. Gut it. Replace all interior you can with solid veterans who ply hard. Replace the OTs with a high draft pick and a top tier FA. This OL needs change of culture. The current alpha on this line plays like he is wearing bong gas mask before the games. And while we’re at it the OL coach needs to go as well. He’s responsible for this bad culture.
 
I suggest unless we just want to gripe, that we focus on what is going to happen and not what we want / think will happen. That just leads to ulcers and tension headaches.

1. LT Tunsil isn’t going anywhere barring career ending injury. We can tantrum like my neighbor's 5 YOA boy did today when mom threw away a cardboard box he wanted for his room. He sat in the road yelling/dry sobbing "I want it!". He didn't get it.

2. LG Caserio will hope some team offers something next year for Kenyon while hoping Patterson or Kendrick (26) can solve dilemma.
3. OC Scruggs or Patterson.
4. RG Mason isn't going anywhere.
5. RT Howard as with Tunsil is a pass blocking tackle. Both need to be better at run blocking but that may never happen.
Despite desires, I would not be shocked if we did not select a offensive lineman until round 3 in 2025. I doubt but could see an average free agent signed as a backup.
 
badboy said:
I suggest unless we just want to gripe, that we focus on what is going to happen and not what we want / think will happen. That just leads to ulcers and tension headaches.

1. LT Tunsil isn’t going anywhere barring career ending injury. We can tantrum like my neighbor's 5 YOA boy did today when mom threw away a cardboard box he wanted for his room. He sat in the road yelling/dry sobbing "I want it!". He didn't get it.

2. LG Caserio will hope some team offers something next year for Kenyon while hoping Patterson or Kendrick (26) can solve dilemma.
3. OC Scruggs or Patterson.
4. RG Mason isn't going anywhere.
5. RT Howard as with Tunsil is a pass blocking tackle. Both need to be better at run blocking but that may never happen.
Despite desires, I would not be shocked if we did not select a offensive lineman until round 3 in 2025. I doubt but could see an average free agent signed as a backup.
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Next year’s OL:

Tunsil
Kendrick Green/Patterson/FA battling it out
Scruggs
Mason/draft pick battling it out
Fisher


Kenyon Green and Tytus Howard cut or traded.
Strausser blamed for the OL and a highly regarded OL coach paid by Cal to fix it.
 
FireBOB said:
Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but I am really confused about what has happened to the O Line between last season and this current one. Stroud consistently had time to throw last season, but now he's under constant pressure. It's more or less the same personnel and coaching right?
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Different/Smarter guys were playing last yr, even if this yrs OL is more talented than last yrs OL.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I remember reading this article to this season. If indeed Stroud has been given play calling responsibilities, he will have likely been given protection calls. Turning over such important responsibilities to a questionably experienced QB only in his 2nd year (after teams have had lots of film on him which they didn't last year) is likely overestimating his abilities beyond basic QB play. This could explain a lot of things about many of the WTF plays and poor pass protection. At this point in time, if Texans fans can fairly judge Stroud, he is not Brady..........at least certainly not at this point in time. Before these important responsibilities are ever turned over to a QB, that QB must be seasoned and exposed to everything under the sun..................which you don't get in one or two seasons.

Watson was give full control of the Browns offense................and the play calling was awful..........as awful as the pass protection.


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Houston Texans' QB CJ Stroud to Have Full Control Calling Plays in 2024 Season​

The Houston Texans offense will stay improved starting Week 1 of the 2024 season.

Kade Kimble | Jun 23, 2024​

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Wow, I think we've identified a problem.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Next year’s OL:

Tunsil
Kendrick Green/Patterson/FA battling it out
Scruggs
Mason/draft pick battling it out
Fisher


Kenyon Green and Tytus Howard cut or traded..
Strausser blamed for the OL and a highly regarded OL coach paid by Cal to fix it.
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Unless Scruggs gets significantly stronger, those pass rushes up the middle will continue to kill our QB. Scruggs can't seem to hold his blocks and gets pushed back too often.............too often directly or indirectly setting up hits or sacks on the QB.
 
Porky said:
I’ve tried like hell to give Meco and Bobby the benefit of the doubt.I’ve always loved Meco and was thrilled when he was selected. Bobby grew on me in his time here and is as down to earth and straight talking as the come.

But it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they are both due a failing grade for this season.

Meco? Slow to react. No accountability. Not just asking, but demanding major changes.why does Stausser still have a job. Seems to me Meco is an ostrich. Sticks his head in the sand and hope the offense works itself out. Meco you aren’t DC anymore, you are HC. Start demanding accountability and the enforce it - right up to the OC level if necessary/.

Bobby - insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Quit forcing square pegs into round holes. Quit running what you want this offense to be and start running what it NEEDS to be. If I’m Meco, Bobby is on the razors edge. If Bobby wants to be here the rest of this year and 25, he needs to get his **** together, and fast. The clock is ticking fast on his tenure..again IF Meco can hold people accountable. If he can’t, that’s going to end up being DeMecos Achilles heel and will limit his effectiveness ala GK.
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How did I know this post was coming?

After reading a post upthread, is Slowik even calling plays, or is Stroud calling the plays, protections?
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Next year’s OL:

Tunsil
Kendrick Green/Patterson/FA battling it out
Scruggs
Mason/draft pick battling it out
Fisher


Kenyon Green and Tytus Howard cut or traded.
Strausser blamed for the OL and a highly regarded OL coach paid by Cal to fix it.
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This is what I am expecting. I am not saying that Nick will not draft an offensive lineman but not before round 3 and maybe later.
As it looks now, I see WR [Isaiah Bond or Tre Harris or Jalen Royals]
and Corner [Jahdee Barron or Jordan Hancock or Davison Igbugnuson]
Safety [Jahdee Barron or Nick Emmanwori or Xavier Watts].
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Unless Scruggs gets significantly stronger, those pass rushes up the middle will continue to kill our QB. Scruggs can't seem to hold his blocks and gets pushed back too often.............too often directly or indirectly setting up hits or sacks on the QB.
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Tunsil Kendrick Patterson Mason Howard.

Scruggs backing up the 3 interior guys and developing. Fisher swing while developing.
 
badboy said:
Tunsil Kendrick Patterson Mason Howard.

Scruggs backing up the 3 interior guys and developing. Fisher swing while developing.
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I guess you didn’t get to see the 2nd half of Thursday’s game b/c Mason and Howard play confirmed why they’re both over paid failures.

No way I find a way to hold onto either for another season…..unless the goal is to get CJ wiped out.

This team needs an amazing Pro Bowl veteran to quarterback and call protections for this OL. Again, I’d find a way to convince C- Ryan Kelly (IND) to sign with the Texans as an UFA. This absolutely puts a check mark at Center and elevates the OL’s play to what the should expect.

Signing Kelly allows the Texans to put Scruggs and Patterson as the OG’s and Tunsil /Fisher as the OT’s. Now the Texans would have (2) Pro Bowlers on the OL….one protecting CJ’s blindside and the quarterbacking the OL.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I guess you didn’t get to see the 2nd half of Thursday’s game b/c Mason and Howard play confirmed why they’re both over paid failures.

No way I find a way to hold onto either for another season…..unless the goal is to get CJ wiped out.

This team needs an amazing Pro Bowl veteran to quarterback and call protections for this OL. Again, I’d find a way to convince C- Ryan Kelly (IND) to sign with the Texans as an UFA. This absolutely puts a check mark at Center and elevates the OL’s play to what the should expect.

Signing Kelly allows the Texans to put Scruggs and Patterson as the OG’s and Tunsil /Fisher as the OT’s. Now the Texans would have (2) Pro Bowlers on the OL….one protecting CJ’s blindside and the quarterbacking the OL.
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I don't think Ryan Kelly is all you believe him to be... yes he's a 4 time pro bowl center that was a 2nd team all pro in 2020, but how much of that was because of having a 1st team LG next to him? Also he will be 32 before next season and has already missed 2 1/2 games this year on top of past injury history
 
Apparently, according to all the beat reporters covering training camp, there was a massive issue with the interior OL that should have been addressed then. But instead of trying to actually “stitch up the open wound” they just used CJ, Tank, Nico, Diggs, and Mixon as a band aid to cover the wound.

The question Big Sarge raises, is if those reporters saw the problem, the coaches saw it, too. The interior OL problem is not going away, no matter what changes they make to the play calling. The only thing we’re going to get out of the rest of the season is a ruined quarterback.

 
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steelbtexan said:
How did I know this post was coming?

After reading a post upthread, is Slowik even calling plays, or is Stroud calling the plays, protections?
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Stroud is not calling the plays. Full stop. Anyone saying anything contrary to that is out in left field.

And the Center is calling the protections.

Lastly, what did I say that you disagree with? You think Bobby has done a good job? Strausser has done a good job? DeMeco has held people to account?
 
Porky said:
Stroud is not calling the plays. Full stop. Anyone saying anything contrary to that is out in left field.

And the Center is calling the protections.

Lastly, what did I say that you disagree with? You think Bobby has done a good job? Strausser has done a good job? DeMeco has held people to account?
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Did you read CnD's post upthread? We dont know who's doing what.

No I dont think anybody is doing a great job. I also thought they would lose the NYJ game and posters on here would say things like they aren't going to make the playoffs this yr and the world's coming to an end.
 
steelbtexan said:
Did you read CnD's post upthread? We dont know who's doing what.

No I dont think anybody is doing a great job. I also thought they would lose the NYJ game and posters on here would say things like they aren't going to make the playoffs this yr and the world's coming to an end.
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Texans are in the AFC South. We can be a **** team and still make the playoffs. :lol:

And we're not a **** team. Texans are a good team with a totally pathetic oline that keeps them from doing what they are capable of.
 
I think the consensus is that our OL is a problem. But what went wrong?

Jan 2023.....Ryans was hired as Head Coach

Feb 2023.....Slowik was hired as Offensive Coordinator

Feb 2023.....Strousser was hired as OL Coach

March 19, Tunsil signed a 3 year extension thru 2026

April 2023 Texans draft Stroud in the 1st round, draft Scruggs in the 2nd round, draft Patterson in the 6th round

May 10, Mason signed a 3 year extension thru 2026

July 28 Howard signed a 3 year extension through 2026

On the surface it appears the organization made all the correct moves for the new beginning. So was anything wrong with this plan?

I believe so. Something fundamental, although I understand why they took the actions they took.

We locked up 3 veteran linemen with expensive contract extensions through 2026; and although this was an accepted plan of action, at the time, it was committing to these players before the new coaching staff had seen their play under game conditions as a fit for whatever system they were about to install.

Although it may have meant a slower path forward, they should have rebuilt more slowly with more coaching input.
 
JB said:
I don't think Ryan Kelly is all you believe him to be... yes he's a 4 time pro bowl center that was a 2nd team all pro in 2020, but how much of that was because of having a 1st team LG next to him? Also he will be 32 before next season and has already missed 2 1/2 games this year on top of past injury history
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The way we all pretty much see it….Scruggs is the responsible for calling the protections. To date, it hasn’t been working so well. I’d like to Patterson get a shot at C, but I’m pretty sure the Texans wouldn’t be up for trying this.

For me, if Scruggs nor Patterson prove to be the answer, I’m pretty sure inserting a new rookie C wouldn’t be the answer for the team nor CJ. This is why I’d make a move to secure C- Ryan Kelly. He’s a Pro Bowl C who still plays the position at a high level. I think he could be the rock this OL needs to finish this season and potentially another 2-3 seasons. Texans have to draft a C, but let the rookie learn behind one of the better ones out there. So I’m upping the ante now….maybe Caserio could make a call, if the Colts fall flat today, to see what they may want for Kelly before the trade deadline.
 
Thorn said:
Texans are in the AFC South. We can be a **** team and still make the playoffs. :lol:

And we're not a **** team. Texans are a good team with a totally pathetic oline that keeps them from doing what they are capable of.
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When they get Collins back and make a couple of trades then we'll see what they are. Even after they make a trade or two it still will take a couple of weeks for everything to come together. I've still got a lot of hope that this team can make a playoff run. Of course I expected a loss to the NYJ, so I'm not panic mode.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I guess you didn’t get to see the 2nd half of Thursday’s game b/c Mason and Howard play confirmed why they’re both over paid failures.

No way I find a way to hold onto either for another season…..unless the goal is to get CJ wiped out.

This team needs an amazing Pro Bowl veteran to quarterback and call protections for this OL. Again, I’d find a way to convince C- Ryan Kelly (IND) to sign with the Texans as an UFA. This absolutely puts a check mark at Center and elevates the OL’s play to what the should expect.

Signing Kelly allows the Texans to put Scruggs and Patterson as the OG’s and Tunsil /Fisher as the OT’s. Now the Texans would have (2) Pro Bowlers on the OL….one protecting CJ’s blindside and the quarterbacking the OL.
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See my post #1568 "what I expect to happen".
It is one thing to say you want to find a way to get this pro bowler as our Center and to actually see it done. Not always is Cash the final say.
 
steelbtexan said:
When they get Collins back and make a couple of trades then we'll see what they are. Even after they make a trade or two it still will take a couple of weeks for everything to come together. I've still got a lot of hope that this team can make a playoff run. Of course I expected a loss to the NYJ, so I'm not panic mode.
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We’ve seen the other division leaders make trade acquisitions so far. Chiefs, Ravens and Bills.

Right now the Texans have not. They need to bring in an impact player to make up for losing Diggs. Not necessarily a WR but they need someone who can make this team better.

Depending on Anderson’s injury status I wouldn’t be opposed to going after an edge rusher as well. We sure needed Anderson in the second half!
 
Yes! Let's trade for a superstar or just sign a free agent that's just been sitting out there overlooked by every other team for 9 weeks who will turn our future around! Oh wait. Who is that person and how do we pay for them?

We don't care! Just Nike it!
 
badboy said:
Yes! Let's trade for a superstar or just sign a free agent that's just been sitting out there overlooked by every other team for 9 weeks who will turn our future around! Oh wait. Who is that person and how do we pay for them?

We don't care! Just Nike it!
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Diontae Johnson isn’t a “superstar”. Deandre Hopkins isn’t anymore. Just find a solid player from a team selling to make your team better.

No more outlandish than any of your daily Tunsil trade scenarios ;)
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Diontae Johnson isn’t a “superstar”. Deandre Hopkins isn’t anymore. Just find a solid player from a team selling to make your team better.

No more outlandish than any of your daily Tunsil trade scenarios ;)
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Exactly, there are difference makers out there that are available and wont cost a ton. Another need is a blocking TE. Caserio should be able to find a guy like that.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Diontae Johnson isn’t a “superstar”. Deandre Hopkins isn’t anymore. Just find a solid player from a team selling to make your team better.

No more outlandish than any of your daily Tunsil trade scenarios ;)
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😅🤣😂 remind me how Johnson is doing again and how many games he played in the last 3 years?
You actually want him?
Hopkins? You think he will ever play in Houston?

Come on.
 
steelbtexan said:
Exactly, there are difference makers out there that are available and wont cost a ton. Another need is a blocking TE. Caserio should be able to find a guy like that.
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You guys keep saying guys are there and you say Nick should be able to find them. As the hammer used to say, I'm waiting!
 
badboy said:
You guys keep saying guys are there and you say Nick should be able to find them. As the hammer used to say, I'm waiting!
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Caserio may think Stover can get better at blocking as the season goes along. I mean. he did find Tomlinson and Saubert in the middle of the season. I've got confidence that Caserio can find a guy on the cheap if he considered this a need.
 
I watched the Bengals game......................their TE Erik All looked like a classic ACL. They have not called it yet. He started TC on the Non-Football injury list due to a torn ACL in the same knee last year when he was still in college. So All has now suffered the same injury within ~14 months, which is certainly not good. His injury history was also the main reason why he fell in the Draft.
 
Porky said:
I’ve tried like hell to give Meco and Bobby the benefit of the doubt.I’ve always loved Meco and was thrilled when he was selected. Bobby grew on me in his time here and is as down to earth and straight talking as the come.

But it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they are both due a failing grade for this season.

Meco? Slow to react. No accountability. Not just asking, but demanding major changes.why does Stausser still have a job. Seems to me Meco is an ostrich. Sticks his head in the sand and hope the offense works itself out. Meco you aren’t DC anymore, you are HC. Start demanding accountability and the enforce it - right up to the OC level if necessary/.

Bobby - insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Quit forcing square pegs into round holes. Quit running what you want this offense to be and start running what it NEEDS to be. If I’m Meco, Bobby is on the razors edge. If Bobby wants to be here the rest of this year and 25, he needs to get his **** together, and fast. The clock is ticking fast on his tenure..again IF Meco can hold people accountable. If he can’t, that’s going to end up being DeMecos Achilles heel and will limit his effectiveness ala GK.
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"why does Stausser still have a job?" That question is spot on.
 
Trade deadline is coming very soon. Texans simply need and should first do some trade to get OL improvement. Bolster the line protection to run and pass. More importantly protect CJ a top 5 pro QB and future of the team and the offensive core of the Texans who is being crushed and battered by the opposing defense. Make a OL move and here a few suggestions maybe out there. imho.
Parham (Raiders)
Neal (Giants)
Scherff (Jags)
Ruiz (Saints)
Teller (Browns)
 
TexanBorn51 said:
Neal (Giants)
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Trading in 1 high o-line bust in Kenyon Green out for another high o-line bust in Evan Neal. Aside from that, i don't even believe he's healthy right now........plus he plays tackle, not guard.

TexanBorn51 said:
Scherff (Jags)
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Sensible suggestion....he's old & might be done tho.

TexanBorn51 said:
Ruiz (Saints)
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PFF isn't the end all be all, but according to his PFF grades, he struggles in the same area Kenyon Green did basically for the same reason..in pass pro b/c his strength is an issue; So he might not be much better if at all better there. Plus, what is the Saints incentives for giving him up?

TexanBorn51 said:
Teller (Browns)
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After fleecing the Browns in the DW4 trade, do you think the Browns FO would really come back to the table with NC for another trade lol
 
I would like to see Patterson at center and Juice at LG if they don't get another player. Scruggs is not getting it done at center and hurts both guards. CJ needs to get rid of the ball when his back foot lands as well
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Unless Scruggs gets significantly stronger, those pass rushes up the middle will continue to kill our QB. Scruggs can't seem to hold his blocks and gets pushed back too often.............too often directly or indirectly setting up hits or sacks on the QB.
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This. He seems to get a pass in this conversation. And I keep hearing move Patterson to C and Scruggs to LG. Scruggs just isn’t good enough to be a starter at either position.
 
Porky said:
Collins at one point was highly touted. Was it injury or just plain bad performance that derailed his career?
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Stupidity and a torn ACL/MCL in 2022. If he’s recovered from the injury and the smart light finally came on…..he could be a reasonable signing since it should be a veterans minimum deal with incentives and a no-guarantee out for the Texans. He had his best season with the Cowboys…..maybe he’s finally ready to focus on football again. My biggest question, did he stay in shape while waiting for a call?
 
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