I'm not nitpicking. Dude is not worth it if you want the Texans to succeed long term. Sorry that you feel otherwise. I thought better of you
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Texans / Lamar Jackson SI article
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, c'mon jb you hire the RB to run the ball...but you're not gonna balk at him being able to catch 60-100 balls out of the backfield are you? Moving the chains is moving the chains.
& whose saying he can't pass the ball? Who has he had to throw to the last few years outside of Mark Andrews?
Hollywood Brown? bust
Rashad Bateman? bust
Devin Duvernay? 3rd WR AT best
Andy Isabella..Lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly
Trading the #2 pick for a QB would have made more sense in a draft like 2022, when there were no rookie QB options available. 2023 has two viable rookie QBs. We've already seen the 1st overall pick go for 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a very good player. The #2 pick has similar value. Lamar Jackson can be had for 2 firsts (plus the massive contract). A sign and trade for Jackson only makes sense post draft. And you're not taking the #2 pick in that scenario, you're trading out.
The Texans are in the position to take a QB they likely feel will be at Jackson's level, at least. For a much smaller contract. A Jackson trade makes more sense for a team like the Colts, that don't have the surefire rookie QB option. And I doubt they would make a pre-draft deal, either.
The Texans are in the position to take a QB they likely feel will be at Jackson's level, at least. For a much smaller contract. A Jackson trade makes more sense for a team like the Colts, that don't have the surefire rookie QB option. And I doubt they would make a pre-draft deal, either.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Looks to me that Texans like both BY and CJS - and Will Anderson. Still hard to predict.
Richardson could be the next LJ but I can't see Texans taking a player as raw at #2 - #12, yes but he likely sits for a while if so.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Bird in the hand and all that jazz. I'm not advocating the Texans should trade the Ravens the #2 pick for Lamar or whatever you were saying...in fact i am strongly against that..but Jackson has already done it, vs any of these young kids coming out....& that has to account for something.
It means something. I don't know if that something makes up the difference between 5 years, $60 million and 5 years, $260 million.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So we're up to saying he wants 260 million now huh?
Pretty sure that was an alliterative moment from Lucky...
Done what exactly?
Generic Fan
He's just this guy, you know?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Has he?
2018
No, I didn't know you (I stress you!) were talking about as a starter. I just answered a question
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
started, played well & won in this league.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Won the MVP , took the Ravens to the playoffs without any true weapons at receiver or in the back field. His only weapon was a tight end.
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
To be fair, in the MVP 2019 season Mark Ingram was a 1,000+ yard rusher and had 10 total TD's on the season. He clearly didn't have a stud WR but he did have a stud RB that season. Take away Lamar's rushing yards and the Ravens still finish 7th in rushing offense that year.
Generic Fan
He's just this guy, you know?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol
2019 rushing #’s:
Jackson- 176 rushes 1209 6.9 ypc 7 TD’s
Ingram - 202 rushes 1018 5.0 ypc 10 TD’s
don’t know if you can call Ingram a “stud” if he got out-rushed by his own qb in every possible aspect of rushing…. except TD’s. Me thinks Ingram was eating as good as he was b/c of Jackson..not b/c their attack or Ingram was that good. Defenses had to give up something & Ingram was the guy they chose to ignore while they concentrated on trying to contain Jackson.
taking away his rushing numbers & them still being a a top 10 rushing team makes light of just how explosive Jackson was/is & its the negative way to look at it. The positive way to look at it is Adding in his rushing numbers pushes them up 7 slots to the #1 rushing team in the league that year.
Kid was amazing that year & Y’all outta be ashamed of yourselves for trying to downplay an MVP & 1st team all pro season.
The Ravens backup RB, Gus Edwards, had a higher ypc than Ingram (5.3 to 5.0) in 2019. Jackson was the straw that stirred the #1 rushing attack's drink.
If it wasn't for the draft capital that the Ravens would require, I'd be advocating for Jackson to the Texans. He's a dynamic player and would easily be the best QB in the AFC South. Texans would probably win the division this year if he stayed healthy.
Price tag (IMO) is just too steep for anyone not named Pat Mahomes. lol
Jackson had a remarkable year in 2019...
He's a hell of a rb
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
agreed…
Remind me. How many playoff games did the Ravens win in the 2019 season? How many points did that amazing QB score in the playoffs? Did he play in the playoffs the last 2 seasons? Did he play more than 12 games the last 2 seasons?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I was pointing out that a 1,000 yard rusher was on the team and that the RB's by themselves would have finished 7th in the league. That is not an insult to Jackson or downplaying his status. It is simply a fact. They were a very good rushing team without him. They were a freaking great rushing team with him.
It's amazing to me that for not having anyone to throw to, it would mean that the defenses were constantly in the box to stop any runs, regardless of who had the ball. Which means as a TEAM they were damn good at running the ball. Two of the offensive linemen were All Pro that season, three were selected to Pro Bowl and Mark Ingram went to the Pro Bowl.
And none of that takes away from Jackson having an MVP season.
It isn't an either/or situation and as much as you accuse everyone of downplaying him, you make it sound like he was out there leading XFL scrubs to an 13-2 record that season.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Sure, right after you tell me how many rushing yards the Baltimore defense gave up to Derrick Henry and who Jackson had to throw the ball too b/c clearly u didnt watch that game and you don’t understand what the Ravens roster had outside of Lamar.
You also clearly haven’t put together that without Lamar doing what he did these last 2 years in the games he actually did play in, which by his standards were sub par, the Ravens most likely aren’t close to making the playoffs. Their offense for a while has been him and a bunch a jags. He doesn’t have an Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan that can carry him with great, creative playcalling. He doesn’t and has never had a legitimate #1 WR.
And you do realize that the last few years he’s been hurt, he was hurt IN THE POCKET, not running right? IOW’s, the injuries that sidelined him could’ve happened to your favorite prototypical pocket passer. His “style of play” had zilch to do with it; which makes what Arthur Blank said look even more silly.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Might as well have been. Outside of Stanley and Andrews who and what else have they really had since Lamar took over as the starting qb?
Hell even the Texans have sent a player to the pro bowl each of the last few years…and we know what they’ve been recently.
Shame he doesn't keep that up every year
Generic Fan
He's just this guy, you know?
He didn't finish 2/5 seasons he played and those 2 are the last 2 seasons.
Do we think owners and GM's are going to see that and not think he has a durability risk?
Do we think owners and GM's are going to see that and not think he has a durability risk?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
RB's typically have a 4-5 year shelf life - do running QB's also reduce their shelf life by being runners?
Logic would suggest yes.
The same logic would also seem to apply to often sacked ones.
Generic Fan
He's just this guy, you know?
I would think so. I am usually leery about running QB's, especially if they are too quick to run.
Its ok to throw the ball away sometimes.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Me also.
That is the instinctual college style of play coming through.
As soon as they lose their read/s, they take off and smart DC's are all too aware of that tactic so they scheme their defenses to cover their known main reads and force them off script.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Owners, HC and GM's are 2 faced. You can't build a team around a guys' ability to run the ball or fail to adequately support him with effective protection or even encourage a guy to play injured and then use that against him when its time to pay.
You guys might have a valid point..................if he was hurt these last 2 seasons running the ball...but he wasn't.
He doesn't take near the pounding a running back will
Generic Fan
He's just this guy, you know?
Great so he is an injury concern even when he's not running. How will that make a GM feel better?
Every QB is an injury concern
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Exactly. Colts thought Andrew Luck was gonna be durable b/c he played all 16 his 1st 3 years so they extended him for 122 mil…the very next year he missed 10 games with injury..and as we know, never quite got back right and that repeated injury is why he retired…..despite playing in every game for 2 years after the injuries.
Then u have guys who are dealing with something every single year, but somehow are able to power thru for 10 years….like Big Ben.
Mangler
Toro de España
So, the Ravens had three stud RB’s. Nice! I hope we hit on another RB in this draft to pair with Pierce and Singletary! Maybe we too can make the playoffs like the Ravens did with a three headed monster ground attack.
Ravens Offered Lamar Jackson $175MM In Total Guarantees; Deal No Longer On Table
Assuming it's legit, this looks on the surface like a pretty fair offer..
Assuming it's legit, this looks on the surface like a pretty fair offer..
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don’t believe they offered that…that would’ve been leaked before the other contracts they reportedly offered to him that he supposedly turned down…….
But you gotta keep wondering why this stuff keeps leaking…Ravens are still trying to control the narrative and draw attention away from the fact that they misjudged the market and should’ve had him extended 3 years ago; Well before the DW4 contract was signed for him to supposedly wanted to benchmark his deal after his……And the fact that they’re becoming known as that franchise that doesn’t pay..and the fact that the ways in which they negotiate contracts by making guys play their deals all the way out before offering extensions is antiquated.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Y'all think it's not fair (contract demands) just look around last couple of years, the price of position is skyrocketing because of revenue the NFL is generating. If I could find any ties, which should be focus, between Ryans/Slowick/49ers to Lamar, I'd be all for it, but there is none so relax.
This franchise has a new/old look back to Kubiak days. The QB who best fits that scheme is the target, problem is does he exist in this draft? Clarity coming in next couple of weeks but one thing for sure if they choose one in the 1st round they don't have to pay him exorbent cost that it would require via trade or free agency. Just Draft One
This franchise has a new/old look back to Kubiak days. The QB who best fits that scheme is the target, problem is does he exist in this draft? Clarity coming in next couple of weeks but one thing for sure if they choose one in the 1st round they don't have to pay him exorbent cost that it would require via trade or free agency. Just Draft One
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That team was 14-2. They scored 12 points in a playoff game. How many playoff games has Lamar won? 1. "The best ability is availability". The last 2 seasons he wasn't available for 5 games each season and 1 playoff game last season. I don't care if he got injured running, passing, or hopping up and down on one foot. I am not giving him a fully gauranteed contract. I can see giving him a front loaded contract with a ton of money. He doesn't want that. He wants a Watson contract. Every cent gauranteed with no way out for the team if he keeps getting hurt and playing 12 games a season. Every single team can get away from their QB after 3-4 years without an outlandish cap hit. Except 1.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol my goodness.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
trying to tell u..