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Steve McNair dead
- Thread starter TheIronDuke
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bckey
All Pro
Things that bothers me about this case are:
1) Nobody called in that they heard gunshots. 5 rounds should get someone's attention.
2) If the girl did the shooting they would have already found residue on her hand from firing the gun.
3) McNair's friend and co-owner of the condo found them but called a friend instead of the police.
4) The DUI incident just 2 days prior to the murder of McNair
5) A jealous ex-boyfriend
6) McNair had a concealed handgun license
I just hope they solve this quickly. His wife and kids don't need this to drag out in the media. If she truly didn't know then she is having to deal with grief and anger at the same time. Just a sad situation all the way around.
1) Nobody called in that they heard gunshots. 5 rounds should get someone's attention.
2) If the girl did the shooting they would have already found residue on her hand from firing the gun.
3) McNair's friend and co-owner of the condo found them but called a friend instead of the police.
4) The DUI incident just 2 days prior to the murder of McNair
5) A jealous ex-boyfriend
6) McNair had a concealed handgun license
I just hope they solve this quickly. His wife and kids don't need this to drag out in the media. If she truly didn't know then she is having to deal with grief and anger at the same time. Just a sad situation all the way around.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
This is what I talked about 2 pages earlier. People were concentrating on the wife when the girlfriend of his had a boyfriend for 4 years and they had broken up around the same time or a little earlier than when McNair came in the picture.
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Or this...so the guess would be he told her he would leave his wife and get married and then told her that it wouldn't happen..she is drugged up and shoots him...realizes what she did and shoots self...CSI
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4309196
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4309196
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spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
Being married is hard and I for one do not fault McNair for having a girlfriend...especially if he and his wife were separated and if his wife had a boyfriend. Sometimes marriages are complicated...well all marriages are complicated. It is easy to get married....hard to stay married. There are 60% of the marriages that end in failure. I would assume that that number is higher among professional athletes who have women at their disposal. In normal life there are some women see a married guy as a challenge...and some married men see it as a challenge to get over on their wives. Imagine being famous with money and 20 -30 year olds are throwing themselves at you on a regular basis. If your marriage went on a "dry spell" or was in a bad place (which most marriages get to at some point) would you be able to resist? Like I said before there is alot we dont know about Steve's marriage (and we shouldnt) so the fact that he had a girlfriend doesnot mean people should pass judgement on him. I am sure no one on here wants someone to pass judgement on our lives.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I see your points and agree marriage is hard but I'm a firm believer that if you want the extras, then get the divorce and move on. If your wife isn't a priority then at least make your kids a priority and try to do things the right way. I'm not judging but you can take the proper steps and still get what you want. It's that simple sometimes. If you are cheating then the love is gone already. My wife and I have a strong marriage but if anything went wrong I'd think of what would be best for my daughters and all involved.
bckey
All Pro
That is the onle of only 2 motives I could come up with for her to shoot McNair. He wanted to end the relationship. One other possibility is that she found out he never filed for a divorce like he told her and realized she was being strung along.
With it being reported she recently bought a gun, the door was locked when McNair's friend found them (no forced entry), she had a single gunshot wound to the head and was found laying on the gun. It is looking like more like murder/suicide with the new details. I still find it really hard to believe a 20 year old woman would kill her boyfriend and the turn the gun on herself unless she was extremely unstable or drugged up. Maybe one of those will be the next detail that comes out. Two lives snuffed out way too early. And for what.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I believe that Frog's words were misinterpretted to be referring to his wife having a boyfriend. There is NO report anywhere that I have come across that even implies that McNair's wife had a "boyfriend." Frog, I am sure, was referring to the girlfriend's ex boyfriend of 4 years.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Right...my bad and thanks for stating how it read. I was replying to another post talking about the girlfriend. But yes, his gf had a bf for 4 year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Haven't read the thread. Top most thoughts - not a hall of fame QB and getting murdered shouldn't make him one. Really good QB just like with any other athlete doesn't mean really good person.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
UMMM..I'm finding it quite bad that Andrew Sicilliano, sitting in for Rome, is having Warren Moon interviewed about McNairs death. Not to be harsh but you are asking a wife abuser, etc to comment on a the tragic death of a guy who was with his girlfriend on the side...OK. Not judging, again, just a poor choice of people to bring in IMHO....despite their connection.
BTW, I might killed for this opinion because people do reform, etc. It just hit me as very odd considering the fresh open wound that the murder is and the questions around it.
BTW, I might killed for this opinion because people do reform, etc. It just hit me as very odd considering the fresh open wound that the murder is and the questions around it.
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Dan B.
Hall of Fame
I heard that next they are having Barry Bonds on to discuss the harmful effects of steroid abuse.
As of 1:53 p.m. this afternoon, forensic reports have not been returned about gunpowder residue on her hands. It's still part of the investigation at this time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Since McNair's friend (co-renter) supposedly says he didn't find the bodies for a couple of hours after the incident, didn't call 911, and delayed even more in calling another McNair friend, who then called 911. A co-renter would have key (no forced entry). First friend (or someone else who knows of her newly purchased gun) shoots McNair, forces girlfriend to take knock out drug (the importance of tox screen results), puts the gun in girlfriend's hand murders her with her own hand (gun powder residue would fit picture).......... Only one possible scenario.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Damn. She looks like she just graduated out of my high school.
But she killed Steve McNair.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
This whole thing seems fishy. Like an earlier post mentioned, there would be gunpowder residue on her hand and would have been found at crime scene level. Maybe they are waiting to announce those findings because they seem pretty focused on the girlfriend as the lone assailant. Could they be luring an unnamed suspect into a false sense of security (boyfriend, girlfriend's father, Steve's roommate) who knows?
The numbers add up perfectly, but almost too perfectly. The only red lights outside of the girlfriend are Steve's roommates and her boyfriend. I throw the dad in there because they are muslim and from Iran and honor killings are not unheard of even within US borders. I know I wouldn't be happy if a married 33 year old NFL QB was sugar daddying my 19 year old daughter. Maybe her run-in with the law was the last straw for the dad or boyfriend? who knows...
she just doesn't seem the type to pull this but hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...maybe McNair was gonna break things off with her because of how she handled the DUI incident 2 nights prior, and she just flew off the hinges? once again, who knows.
One thing I do know is McNair was a great competitor and extraordinary athlete/tough guy. The guy was a winner and he managed to get Bud Adams' franchise to a Super Bowl...He couldn't break such a strong curse but he got as close as humanly possible before coming up one yard short.
The numbers add up perfectly, but almost too perfectly. The only red lights outside of the girlfriend are Steve's roommates and her boyfriend. I throw the dad in there because they are muslim and from Iran and honor killings are not unheard of even within US borders. I know I wouldn't be happy if a married 33 year old NFL QB was sugar daddying my 19 year old daughter. Maybe her run-in with the law was the last straw for the dad or boyfriend? who knows...
she just doesn't seem the type to pull this but hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...maybe McNair was gonna break things off with her because of how she handled the DUI incident 2 nights prior, and she just flew off the hinges? once again, who knows.
One thing I do know is McNair was a great competitor and extraordinary athlete/tough guy. The guy was a winner and he managed to get Bud Adams' franchise to a Super Bowl...He couldn't break such a strong curse but he got as close as humanly possible before coming up one yard short.
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Assuming she graduated HS you would be correct. She is only 20 years old, most graduate HS at 18.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Can not find link to Houston Chronicle article that I read about McNair. It talked about him having a wire in his chest and being instructed by doctor not to play, but the playing QB went down against Pittsburgh and Steve went in. The Steelers talked about hitting McNair and hearing air wheezing out of the wire. Steve got up and kept on playing. This is the McNair I am focusing on. Yes, the other things are valid and maybe even important. He apparently was not the role model most thought. I was shocked by his death but not by the alleged girl friend.
There will be plenty to lay blame and placed fault. It just will not be me. God, cover his children with Your Mercy and Grace.
There will be plenty to lay blame and placed fault. It just will not be me. God, cover his children with Your Mercy and Grace.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Found the link read #2 for good article.http://www.examiner.com/x-14024-Pit...ble-games-Steve-McNair-vs-Pittsburgh-Steelers
It was a Richard Justice article:
In his football career, McNair was a pro’s pro
**edit: badboy sort of beat me to it***
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
Yeah I agree with your point, my point was that we dont know the entire story and whether or not they were in the process of the divorce.There are three sides to a story, (in this case four) steve's side, wife's side, gf's side and what really happened.
I wish the killer would have thought about the kids and their need to have the father around. It is sad it had to end in death.
I really feel sorry for Mechelle McNair. If indeed, she "was the last to know", she's going through a fate worse than death. Can you just imagine having to prepare and attend your own spouse's funeral, and being forced to feel nothing but pure humiliation in front of the entire world? And then, there are his 4 kids. Just imagine how their lives will be affected.
And Steve McNair will no longer be remembered for what he did on the field.
He'll just be looked back on as a married man who was gunned down by his girlfriend. That will be his legacy.
And Steve McNair will no longer be remembered for what he did on the field.
He'll just be looked back on as a married man who was gunned down by his girlfriend. That will be his legacy.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Oh no, a married man who had a woman on the side. Never heard of that one. I wouldnt be so quick to judge. Who knows what kind of arrangements he had with his wife. Or if his wife had a man on the side too.
If that is the worst thing he ever did in his life than he wasnt to bad of a man.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I hope that doesn't happen. While McNair was "the enemy" most of his time in the NFL, he was a damn good QB and wasn't the a-hole that some of the Titans were. This is just tragic and horrible.
I will always remember McNair for being a great, and very tough, NFL QB. His football legacy will live on in NFL Films.
You're kidding me, right? If you've been keeping up with the reports, you wouldn't say that.
Sounds like you've been there, done that. I guess you're one of those you think having a "mid-life crisis" is a legit excuse to **** around, aayy?
Eye of the beholder, I guess.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Speculations and accusations make you a very sad person.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Yes indeed, great post.
Don't ever get near my sister, if so you and I both will make the 6 o'clock news. (tougue in cheek, but I strongly disagree with that post.)
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Wait one second. Aren't you the flagship ala Michael Jackson of believing all the courts say? If so don't be a hypocrite.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sorry, already posted
Steve was married and took his chances having a GF on the side.
He took a gamble and his number came up.
Warren Moon should be a great interview on the subjects of domestic violence and extra marital affairs.
As well as DWI laws.
He took a gamble and his number came up.
Warren Moon should be a great interview on the subjects of domestic violence and extra marital affairs.
As well as DWI laws.
I'm not a big fan of Richard Justice, but his article did have a good point:
Regardless of what the public eventually decides to remember as his legacy, the simple and very sad fact is that his children will always remember him as "dad".
Regardless of what the public eventually decides to remember as his legacy, the simple and very sad fact is that his children will always remember him as "dad".
CTWade
Quack Attack
I read or heard somewhere that romantic jealously is the leading cause of murders. McNair is not the first and likely won't be the last.
Most, I suspect, will mourn the passing of such athletic talent but I will mourn McNair's lack of wisdom. Ah, the price he and others paid for it. Alas, if only talent and character went hand in hand.
Most, I suspect, will mourn the passing of such athletic talent but I will mourn McNair's lack of wisdom. Ah, the price he and others paid for it. Alas, if only talent and character went hand in hand.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The gun involved was purchased by the girlfriend Thursday after McNair bailed her out from the DUI. The purchase was from a private party, not a gun shop. It has been said that the police do not know if the "sale" was legal or not. However, since a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee requires that you be 21 years old, considering "legality" seems a little strange .
bckey
All Pro
It is looking more and more like murder/suicide.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090706/NEWS03/90706040
Police spokesman Don Aaron has said Sahel Kazemi purchased the gun on Thursday night from a private owner, and there were a total of five shots fired.
That means each of the shots fired at the Second Avenue-area condo hit one of the victims. The gun, Aaron said, was purchased sometime on the night after Kazemi's DUI arrest. He declined to say who sold it, or where that person obtained the gun.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090706/NEWS03/90706040
Police spokesman Don Aaron has said Sahel Kazemi purchased the gun on Thursday night from a private owner, and there were a total of five shots fired.
That means each of the shots fired at the Second Avenue-area condo hit one of the victims. The gun, Aaron said, was purchased sometime on the night after Kazemi's DUI arrest. He declined to say who sold it, or where that person obtained the gun.
GP
Go Texans!
McNair had two to the chest and two to the head....
That's not how a 20-year-old party girl waitress shoots someone. Is it?
Someone was pissed off. And that someone knew how to make sure that the bullets did their work. Two to the head, two to the chest.
It's a hire, or it's an ex. Or both.
That's not how a 20-year-old party girl waitress shoots someone. Is it?
Someone was pissed off. And that someone knew how to make sure that the bullets did their work. Two to the head, two to the chest.
It's a hire, or it's an ex. Or both.
GP
Go Texans!
Maybe the ex-boyfriend said "Go buy the gun, I'll do it."
Then he DID do it, but he made sure he popped the girl, too. She unknowingly helped to kill Steve and herself. With the sale of the firearm in her name...that's pretty much doing the work of a goon yourself.
Or, maybe she bought the gun to defend herself from the ex-boyfriend, especially if he was saying "I'm going to blow the lid of your affair with Steve"? Somehow she threatens him with it, and he grabs it and shoots her. Then heads down to take care of Steve?
That's only a couple of scenarios. I don't think she shot Steve. Two to the head, two to the chest.
This whole deal is sad.
bckey
All Pro
Watch the video in this link of Don Aaron, Metro Police spokesman. She was arrested on wednesday night/thursday morning and bought the gun thursday night from a private party.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090706/NEWS03/90706040
I think the police in this case are doing a really good job.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090706/NEWS03/90706040
I think the police in this case are doing a really good job.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I agree with you. I think it's every kids right to believe that their father (and mother as well) walk on water right up until the parent proves otherwise. They're going to learn soon enough that their parents are all too human so why speed up the process.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I just had a thought..........a really troubling thought...........the DUI...........presence of McNair totally obscured.............he is wisked home by cab..........she is booked...........still no mention of McNair's presence..........he bails her out..........still no mention..............could it be that McNair was driving?...........obvious implications (past DUI's in Tennessee) with immediate wide release of public record of his name and situation.........could his girlfriend have been made to be the "fall guy?"......................under aged drinker with McNair................still no mention of his presence.........................girlfriend sobers up................purchases gun...............girlfriend dead............McNair finally mentioned........"DEAD."
[FYI, in Tennessee DUI laws have a twist that wasn't invoked against McNair...............this time. Keep in mind, the car was registered to both his girlfriend McNair] READ THIS LINK to jar your memory
[FYI, in Tennessee DUI laws have a twist that wasn't invoked against McNair...............this time. Keep in mind, the car was registered to both his girlfriend McNair] READ THIS LINK to jar your memory
awtysst
Draft Guru
Well said.
Or more likely
GF gets DWI, she's p***ed off.
McNair gets her out of jail. They go out partying that night, GF finds out McNair hasn't filed for divorce. He tells GF he is going back to his wife.
She knows that means she is going to be waiting tables at Dave & Busters. She cant handle that. (Being Used)
GF waits for a drunk- drugged McNair to pass out.
GF shoots McNair 2 times in the head and twice in the chest.
Gf turns gun on self.
McNair had to have been asleep for GF to shoot him 4 times. She was inexperienced with a gun.
We're in agreement that this is really sad.
Does anybody woder why McNair's co-owner waited 30 mins. before he called a mutual friend and asked him to call the cops?
Could he have been cleaning up the drugs in the house. After all the GF said she wasn't drunk. She was high during the DWI stop the night before the homicide.
Could he have been cleaning up the drugs in the house. After all the GF said she wasn't drunk. She was high during the DWI stop the night before the homicide.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How about this:
Steve and GF are out getting high.
Police pull them over, Steve gets GF to switch places.
GF goes to jail, Steve goes home.
GF spends night in jail, scared and alone.
Steve bails out GF.
Steve says something about "distancing" himself from GF to save his reputation or something. (Maybe, how about one last time for old time's sake?)
GF gets pissed, buys gun.
GF goes over to "talk" to Steve, finds out that on top of everything else, he wasn't getting a divorce. Maybe she threatens him or something and he laughs at her, not thinking she's serious.
Bam, bam, bam, bam.
Bam.