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Steve McNair dead
- Thread starter TheIronDuke
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I hadn't heard about the restaurant thing. And that article is only a week old.
Damn. Standup guy. Real, old school warrior. Tries to start something positive.
And it ends like this.
Absolutely tragic.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I was hoping that this was not the case. But it seemed a bit unusual that they would not have identified his wife during the initial report.
Police: Female Victim Not McNair's Wife
Getting even more bizarre with now possibility of murder/suicide. Witnesses were evidently not asked to come forward by the police:
Steve McNair and Companion Found Dead, Conflicting Reports Emerging
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Revolution
Rookie
No matter what happens to come out....
R.I.P. Steve.
I loved watching him play the game of football.
R.I.P. Steve.
I loved watching him play the game of football.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A Nashville TV station reports now that the police spokesman is saying that it is not a murder/suicide........and that they aren't even sure that the couple died today.
LINK
Seems like a good deal of false information is coming in. The media is frenzied to get the "scoop." CNN initially put out a contradictory report that it was the "girlfriend's" condominium.
The murder/suicide story came from the initial misinformation that his wife was the shooter and the dead woman. It will take awhile until readers get the facts established.
Meanwhile, lost in all of this is what McNair's 4 children are going through (and his wife). Their "recovery will be a very difficult one no matter what the circumstances.
LINK
Seems like a good deal of false information is coming in. The media is frenzied to get the "scoop." CNN initially put out a contradictory report that it was the "girlfriend's" condominium.
The murder/suicide story came from the initial misinformation that his wife was the shooter and the dead woman. It will take awhile until readers get the facts established.
Meanwhile, lost in all of this is what McNair's 4 children are going through (and his wife). Their "recovery will be a very difficult one no matter what the circumstances.
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I liked Steve alot. He was alot of fun to watch, even when he beat us. Someone getting murdered transcends a petty rivalry. It's a sad story. R.I.P.
Revolution
Rookie
He was HOUSTON Oiler, long before he ever played professional football in Tennessee...
toronto
Hall of Fame
For one of the first times ever, I am sick to my stomach over an athlete's death. McNair was one of the greatest players I ever got the chance to root for, and when I got the wire copy (I get all AP bullets sent to my crackberry for work) of this, I didn't want to believe it.
I still can't come to grips with this. This frigging sucks.
I still can't come to grips with this. This frigging sucks.
Revolution
Rookie
Thanks for the great post. I couldn't agree more...
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
I meant it in no disrespect but sometimes people see a guy as an enemy and think that it is a chance to diss the guy. When I heard the news the first thing I did was dig my jersey out and put it on. By far my favorite player as a Titan.
I know you guys are a classy group and did not think you would. I just felt remorse and did not want to see BS. Thank you all for not being those types of fans.
RIP McNair ... I just wish you had gotten a ring on what ever team you landed.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
This is the Texans msg board, not the Titans.
I have a Steve McNair jersey.
Take your lecture someplace else.
R.I.P. Steve. My sympathies to his family & friends.
No lecture in anyways ... read my previous post to see my reasoning.
Giant Tiger
Veteran
Terrible news. I too was thrilled when the Oilers drafted Steve McNair. I always enjoyed watching him play and the way he carried himself on & off the field. RIP Steve.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
texanhead08
All Pro
I dont think this is a murder/suicide. Its just too weird that she would kill McNair after they had been dating for a few months and he has purchased a new car for her and such. The only way I can see the murder/suicide possibilty is if he told her it was over and he wanted the car and such back.
Texaninlild
Veteran
I am in no way a Titan fan, but when you lose a good man those things don't matter. With all that is wrong with the players, he was one you could point to as an example of what players should be. He has garnered the respect of all around the league, as seen by the comments. Just a sad day.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
A friend called me up today to tell me as I've been working on a move all day. All the "celebrity" deaths lately, this one hit home to me more so then the others.
Shame that his life ended this way and I don't know if it might tarnish his legacy any. Guy was a great athlete and a fierce competitor. He was also a stand up guy in the locker room and community. I remember seeing reports of how he treated his mom on draft day and just... respect for a guy who does that for his mom. That made me a fan.
Steve no matter what you're still an Oiler to me. RIP.
Shame that his life ended this way and I don't know if it might tarnish his legacy any. Guy was a great athlete and a fierce competitor. He was also a stand up guy in the locker room and community. I remember seeing reports of how he treated his mom on draft day and just... respect for a guy who does that for his mom. That made me a fan.
Steve no matter what you're still an Oiler to me. RIP.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
My wife just saw it on her IPod. Wow. I said what? Are you sure? RIP.
Wolf
100% Texan
BA, I know we give grief and kid around in the rivalry section (among other things), but .. at least on this board, when things turn serious, you will see our true colors ..on game day.. yes it is the enemy and we say stuff but when it comes to real life stuff , we are compassionate human beings and fans of the game.
R.I.P Steve
sad that the good dye young
my thoughts and prayers go out for his family,friends and even fans on this tragic day
I will admit.. even as the titans were a yard short, I was pulling for them to beat the rams (no matter what smack talk I gave and continue to give)
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When I heard about this before leaving for fireworks, all I could think was the world lost one of its great competitors. The man may not have been the best QB, but he was a true competitor who left it all on the field every game.
RIP Steve.
I had just tuned into CNN when the breaking news report was announced. I sat in absolute shock. My prayers are extended to his family, fans, teammates and teams as I can only imagine the devastation all must feel.
I recall him being the awe of SWAC and how people went to games that Alcorn played just to see this young quarterback. Then, after being drafted by the Oilers he appeared on Extra Points or a similar Houston sports show and how accessable he ws to the audience and his many supporters. While visiting Nashville on business in the early 2000's I bought a jersey for my son at a sports team shop near the stadium. Although at the time, I wasn't happy with Bud packing up and leaving Houston, I still had nothing but admiration for McNair.
He was a warrior and I recall reading how sometimes it was hard for him to pick up his child or his wife who was educated as a nurse helped him through much of the pain that he bore from his game injuries.
I recall him being the awe of SWAC and how people went to games that Alcorn played just to see this young quarterback. Then, after being drafted by the Oilers he appeared on Extra Points or a similar Houston sports show and how accessable he ws to the audience and his many supporters. While visiting Nashville on business in the early 2000's I bought a jersey for my son at a sports team shop near the stadium. Although at the time, I wasn't happy with Bud packing up and leaving Houston, I still had nothing but admiration for McNair.
He was a warrior and I recall reading how sometimes it was hard for him to pick up his child or his wife who was educated as a nurse helped him through much of the pain that he bore from his game injuries.
bckey
All Pro
I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing the former boyfriend Keith Norfleet whom she lived with for 4 years is a major suspect.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
I think it is a murder-suicide. How can Steve McNair have multiple gunshots to the hair, but the girlfriend have one? Murder-suicide.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Very sad news. I was shocked, and my prayers go out to the victim's families.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I'm sure most of us don't. Most of us don't give a crap about team colors when it comes to a 36 year old man murdered - someone who we all followed since his draft at that. You Titan fans need to find some dignity or go pollute your own board with this stuff please.
stingray
Hall of Fame
This is the cover that came out on of S.I. when I saw Steve play in Hunstsville against the Bearkats.
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YellerLotYeller
nice marmot
I remember sitting in the Astrodome thinking "man, I sure wish they would play him." It seemed like all we did that year was watch Eddie run and stare at the back of Steve's head wishing he was in.
When he became the enemy I was always jealous of how tough of a qb he was.
RIP Steve McNair
When he became the enemy I was always jealous of how tough of a qb he was.
RIP Steve McNair
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Listen man, I haven't read this entire thread, but I saw this post and had to respond... just what the hell do you think you're saying here?
He was a Houston Oiler before he ever went to Nashville, and he was beloved here, as well. I was a huge, huge McNair fan, obviously - and I'm sorry - but he's not "yours" to come in here and be uneccessarily protective over. I saw this guy play in Huntsville when I was going to SHSU and Alcorn St. came to town. I was doing color commentary for the team as a student and by then it was already obvious he was headed for the NFL... and a lot of people were already speculating he would end up an Oiler... so again - he was a HUGE part of Houston's community too, it was just a long time ago.
RIP Steve McNair. He was a class guy who never a "me" athlete, and he didn't seek out the spotlight. He will be missed. One of the toughest football players ever.
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Wolf
100% Texan
I thought that too.. It took a Eddie George injury to open fisher's eyes up to open up the offense (so it seemed)
Fisher was a 3 yards and a cloud of dust (so it seemed at the time)
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I've been reading this thread for a couple of hours, but didn't really know what to type in it. When I found out about Steve's death I was in absolute shock.....he's a guy I followed since his college years and he was one of the last "Oilers". I'm extremely saddened by what happened. The guy is not going to go in the HOF and years from now the guy is not going to be remembered as one of the alltime great QBs, but I don't know if I've seen more of a straight "competitor" from that position. He was a guy that just kept getting up...and up..and up. Even though Adams moved the team, I always had respect for McNair and a peice of me wanted Tenn. to win that SB for him......god knows he put them in position to win the damn thing.
Anyways...RIP Steve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6fQ7FKRTRw
I still can't believe the news I heard today...... It might as well have been a Texan killed....after all the battles we've had with Steve (and the guy always found a way to win..LOL he killed us) it felt about the same way.
Anyways...RIP Steve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6fQ7FKRTRw
I still can't believe the news I heard today...... It might as well have been a Texan killed....after all the battles we've had with Steve (and the guy always found a way to win..LOL he killed us) it felt about the same way.
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GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Wait, so the woman he was supposedly cheating on his wife with, killed him? If true, I have to admit a certain twisted karma.
But, one of the toughest players to ever play football, at any position. It's unbelievable how he was so banged up yet never gave up, never cried, never whined and never ego tripped. How he was able to put his body through hell and still be a leader and an effective player is something I'll never ever forget. I don't think his numbers are good enough to get him into Canton, at the very least his #9 should at least be retired by the Titans.
But, one of the toughest players to ever play football, at any position. It's unbelievable how he was so banged up yet never gave up, never cried, never whined and never ego tripped. How he was able to put his body through hell and still be a leader and an effective player is something I'll never ever forget. I don't think his numbers are good enough to get him into Canton, at the very least his #9 should at least be retired by the Titans.
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
Lesson to all of you; Don't date a 19-20 year old Dave & Busters Waitress/Psychobitch.
Most recently, she had a new black car she said was a gift from her boyfriend.
She was arrested in that car, a black 2007 Cadillac Escalade registered to her and McNair, early Thursday at Broadway and Ninth Avenue, just two days before the deaths. She was charged with driving under the influence and refusing to take a breath test. She told police she was not drunk, but high.
McNair was in the car, a fact that was not in the police affidavit but was confirmed by police Saturday night. Police allowed McNair to take a cab home. He later bailed Kazemi out of jail, according to bail bondsmen.
Ex-boyfriend worried
Keith Norfleet, who said he dated Kazemi for four years before they broke up five months ago, was worried about her dating McNair, a married man. She met McNair while she was a waitress at Dave & Buster’s Grand Sports Cafe, he said.
“She was a very strong, independent girl. A hard worker,” said Norfleet, who had hoped to get back together with her. “She had a huge heart. She was very caring, very loving.”
Neighbors said she had turned 20 just a few weeks ago and described her as friendly and fun-loving though naive about some things. She was known as Jenny to her friends.
Tony Farahani, general manager at Dave and Buster’s at Opry Mills, said McNair frequently came to his restaurant, often bringing several people. He said he would not be surprised if McNair met Kazemi there. He described Kazemi as a solid employee, a workaholic with high energy.
“This is a tremendous shock, so unexpected. She was a bubbly girl and she was supposed to come today at 5 p.m.”
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...t+to+death
Most recently, she had a new black car she said was a gift from her boyfriend.
She was arrested in that car, a black 2007 Cadillac Escalade registered to her and McNair, early Thursday at Broadway and Ninth Avenue, just two days before the deaths. She was charged with driving under the influence and refusing to take a breath test. She told police she was not drunk, but high.
McNair was in the car, a fact that was not in the police affidavit but was confirmed by police Saturday night. Police allowed McNair to take a cab home. He later bailed Kazemi out of jail, according to bail bondsmen.
Ex-boyfriend worried
Keith Norfleet, who said he dated Kazemi for four years before they broke up five months ago, was worried about her dating McNair, a married man. She met McNair while she was a waitress at Dave & Buster’s Grand Sports Cafe, he said.
“She was a very strong, independent girl. A hard worker,” said Norfleet, who had hoped to get back together with her. “She had a huge heart. She was very caring, very loving.”
Neighbors said she had turned 20 just a few weeks ago and described her as friendly and fun-loving though naive about some things. She was known as Jenny to her friends.
Tony Farahani, general manager at Dave and Buster’s at Opry Mills, said McNair frequently came to his restaurant, often bringing several people. He said he would not be surprised if McNair met Kazemi there. He described Kazemi as a solid employee, a workaholic with high energy.
“This is a tremendous shock, so unexpected. She was a bubbly girl and she was supposed to come today at 5 p.m.”
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...t+to+death
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Date rape drug and boyfriend threat. Facts, rumors or coincidence???? The Nashville City Paper reports:
GermanTexan
Waterboy
R.i.p.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I thought that, at a time like this, it would be appropriate to post a link to what I have found to be the best and most inclusive biography on McNair I've ever read. I learned many things about McNair "the man" and "the QB" that I didn't know
STEVE MCNAIR'S BIOGRAPHY---HIS LIFE AND CAREER
STEVE MCNAIR'S BIOGRAPHY---HIS LIFE AND CAREER
Everyone, this has been hashed over enough. Let's move on and not spoil this thread. This is about Steve McNair.
Edit: Any off topic posts will be removed, from here on.
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The Tennessean will be the most reliable source throughout all this, not ruling out those rumors, though. This whole thing is a big mess.
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
The sad thing is if the Nashville Police didn't cover up the fact that McNair was in the car when the bimbo was popped for the DWI, he still might be alive.
News would leak that a car with McNair in it (and registered to him as co-owner) was involved in a DWI stop. Michelle McNair (wife) would have raised Holy Hell, and Steve would have gone back to Hattiesburg to settle things out. He wouldn't have been in Nashville when the bimbo went off her rocker.
Hes a reminder to us all that we put the wrong people on pedestals, that running fast and jumping high defines one only narrowly.
Being brilliant in the fourth quarter of a close game doesnt make one a great husband or father. So as we honor a great athlete who touched hundreds and lived his public life with grace and dignity, we are reminded that men have flaws.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6513317.html
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Here's Chron columnist Richie J being candid again and some might say controversial with these thoughts about McNair just hours after the former-QBs tragic and violent death. But it certainly puts some things in perspective.
Being brilliant in the fourth quarter of a close game doesnt make one a great husband or father. So as we honor a great athlete who touched hundreds and lived his public life with grace and dignity, we are reminded that men have flaws.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6513317.html
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Here's Chron columnist Richie J being candid again and some might say controversial with these thoughts about McNair just hours after the former-QBs tragic and violent death. But it certainly puts some things in perspective.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I actually agree. I haven't posted on this topic because there's no need to trample a dead man's grave, but I keep seeing people post how he's a class act when he's got a 20-year old girlfriend and a wife back home.
I hated him on the football field, but in the way that you hate truly great players. The game was better for having him, and I wish we would have gotten the opportunity to enjoy him here in Houston. R.I.P. Steve.
That may be, and I hope that's the case.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
I agree. The reverence given to these players is too much in general. I'll root for them on Sunday (if they play for my team) however it pretty much stops there for me. We rarely know who these people really are and meeting them a few times is no indicator. Just because they have some athletic ability doesn't make them any better or due anymore reverence than anyone else. Many of these pro athletes are slimeballs on the human level.
As for this story, I will just say that nothing good ever comes out of betraying your own family. McNair paid the ultimate price however the price his family will now be paying is even greater because they have to live with it.
This girl wasn't even legal to drink. My feelings are more for his wife and kids than McNair himself.