You do not hear Ricky Smith-Mcnair's name coming up for potential job openings, and for good reason.
Yeah... because he's already GM & VP of football operations of the Houston Texans.
Next step for Rick is Mrs. Cal McNair
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You do not hear Ricky Smith-Mcnair's name coming up for potential job openings, and for good reason.
I believe winning the division and a playoff game has cemented B.Ob with at least some of his desired control.
Vrabel being interviewed by the Rams also gives McNair another egg in the B.Ob basket as that is his guy, not Rick's. I honestly doubt we ever see Smith totally out of the loop, but B.Ob called his bluff, remained professional, and won a playoff game. Chip lead is to B.Ob right now. But he could double up and take major control with a win, or tilt this weekend against his mentor and give Rick some momentum heading into the offseason. I do not necessarily think a win is necessary for B.Ob to get a lot of what he wants, but he has to make the game competitive until the horn.
Sigh... you should throw a couple of "I thinks" in there.
I think McNair should give O'b a little more of the power/influence he wants if he wins next week. I don't care if he wins because the whole Patriots team gets a stomach flu. We win, O'b should win.
But those are just our opinions. It has not been reported or confirmed by anyone.
& as bad as Rick had been, how bad has he been in O'bs tenure?
Other than the Garoppolo thing which we know isn't true.
Have you heard O'Brien say he wants out?
This was Glazer's tweet that started this whole s#!tstorm
Did you miss Glazer saying "I can see..."?? That means he was speculating. That's not a news report. That's him GUESSING. The rest of the lazy media retweeted like it was a scoop. It wasn't.
I think/I think
You think the Jimmy G thing isn't true. Please cite sources and then I will tell you your sources are just making things up and dont have a clue as to what the Texans org is or isn't doing. Rick forced Os onto BOB according to sources. See how that works.
I just gotta believe if Savage is his guy now, he had to have been his guy back then.
All of those guys have tenure with their teams and great rapport with their team owner. Two of them are still in the playoffs and are expected to do well.He heard something from somebody. He could have said that about any HC, but he didn't he said it about BOB. For instance he could've said the same thing about Tomlin/BB/Harbaugh but didn't.
All of those guys have tenure with their teams and great rapport with their team owner. Two of them are still in the playoffs and are expected to do well.
If Glazer had done ANY homework on the Texans, he would know that (a) McNair doesn't fire coaches lightly and (b) O'Brien isn't some whiney, little quitter who would cut and run from a job he signed on to do. I'm still not a fan of how O'Brien has mishandled getting a good caliber QB in here but I'll never say the man isn't a fighter.
No, Glazer didn't hear anything from anybody; he was just tweeting crap out to the TwitterVerse to see how many suckers he could reel in.
Who did you hear that from?No, Glazer didn't hear anything from anybody; he was just tweeting crap out to the TwitterVerse to see how many suckers he could reel in.
Have you looked at the Patriots drafts over the last 10 years? I think you'll find a lot more busts than 2 or 3 or even 4
Who did you hear that from?
That Glazer didn't hear nothing from nobody.
Or were you just posting Cr.. to see how many suckers you can reel in?
Surprise opening could be Texans, if they lose early in playoffs I can see O'Brien/team agreeing to part ways -- good candidate on market.
And if it doesn't happen, he can claim his "I can see" speculation, retaining his media credibility while getting a metric crap ton of run out of the situation. The media these days wants to be the story as much as they want to report the story.
Except Gazer doesn't have a history of reporting like that. Neither does LZ. LaConfora on the otherhand does have that kind of history. If he was reporting this I would be on board with you.
Doesn't matter since the Texans beat Oakland. I just hate that Marrone got the Jags job.
I know it's not on topic, but why do you hate that Marrone got the Jags job? I don't foresee him being any more effective than Bradley. If anything it will likely be same 'ol Jags.
Marrone & O'b go way back. Could have been a nice OC for us.
All of those guys have tenure with their teams and great rapport with their team owner. Two of them are still in the playoffs and are expected to do well.
If Glazer had done ANY homework on the Texans, he would know that (a) McNair doesn't fire coaches lightly and (b) O'Brien isn't some whiney, little quitter who would cut and run from a job he signed on to do. I'm still not a fan of how O'Brien has mishandled getting a good caliber QB in here but I'll never say the man isn't a fighter.
No, Glazer didn't hear anything from anybody; he was just tweeting crap out to the TwitterVerse to see how many suckers he could reel in.
The most successful teams usually don't like change. I'm glad that McNair is a patient owner. I wouldn't mind OB having all the power and Smith having a nice new title away from personnel.I think the media space is so crowded with voices that sometimes these guys have to make a splash to get noticed.
Key words in his initial statement - "Surprise", "could be", "if", and "I can see" - leads me to believe this is click-baits speculation. Maybe he did speak to "someone in the organization", but it could have been a waterboy that overheard a heated debated for all we know.
What I do know and feel confident about is history and public statements by those in power. And based on that history and previous statements, I tend to lean your way. Much ado about nothing.
McNair is a very patient owner that tends to hate drastic change. This entire story undermines the 15 year history of the Texans. His team is winning and making it to the playoffs. I'd expect O'Brien to get incrementally a little more power in the boardroom as a result. Nothing drastic, just a small evolution of how things are done on Kirby.
Because these talking heads always say when they have a "source". Did you not notice there wasn't the usual and customary, "I heard from a source close to the situation" anywhere in that tweet. When have you seen them leave that out if they can use it to validate the credibility of their "breaking news". In fact, he didn't even categorize this as "breaking news". He said, "I can see..." Not "I heard". Not, "someone told me".Who did you hear that from?
That Glazer didn't hear nothing from nobody.
Or were you just posting Cr.. to see how many suckers you can reel in?
I'm just yanking your chain, LOL.Because these talking heads always say when they have a "source". Did you not notice there wasn't the usual and customary, "I heard from a source close to the situation" anywhere in that tweet. When have you seen them leave that out if they can use it to validate the credibility of their "breaking news". In fact, he didn't even categorize this as "breaking news". He said, "I can see..." Not "I heard". Not, "someone told me".
I know it's not on topic, but why do you hate that Marrone got the Jags job? I don't foresee him being any more effective than Bradley. If anything it will likely be same 'ol Jags.
Well, Marrone is an offensive coach, and one of the first things Rex Ryan did when he took over for him was to fire Jim Schwartz as DC after his first (and obviously only) year there. Buffalo's defense went from top 5 (both yardage and scoring) the season before Rex took over to middle of the pack at best (both yardage and scoring) during Rex's two years there.Reading this article on Marrone quitting/leaving the Bills, it seem very similar to the situation playing out between the Texans and O'Brien.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...arrone-not-well-liked-bills-article-1.2064861
I'm with you on pretty much everything you are saying, especially on it likely being BS that O'Brien might be fired. That said, is it hard to believe OB and Ricky have some animosity between the two of them?I think the media space is so crowded with voices that sometimes these guys have to make a splash to get noticed.
Key words in his initial statement - "Surprise", "could be", "if", and "I can see" - leads me to believe this is click-baits speculation. Maybe he did speak to "someone in the organization", but it could have been a waterboy that overheard a heated debated for all we know.
What I do know and feel confident about is history and public statements by those in power. And based on that history and previous statements, I tend to lean your way. Much ado about nothing.
McNair is a very patient owner that tends to hate drastic change. This entire story undermines the 15 year history of the Texans. His team is winning and making it to the playoffs. I'd expect O'Brien to get incrementally a little more power in the boardroom as a result. Nothing drastic, just a small evolution of how things are done on Kirby.
However, O'Brien is used to a model from New England in which the coach expects to control much of what goes on in the building, and while O'Brien currently carries a great degree of say in personnel matters, numerous sources with knowledge of the dynamics at play in this front office have believed it was only a matter of time before changes occurred in how decisions are made for the Texans. Their disastrous start to the season has only intensified the friction, and McNair will have a decision to make for 2016 about their duties and roles for next season.
"It's gone from a slow drip to a water fall," said one source of the divide between coach and general manager.
Some form of change is inevitable, and there are already split allegiances in the team facility between some who are closer to O'Brien and many who predate him there and have worked closely with Smith. O'Brien is a proponent of Texans director of player personnel Brian Gaine, and also thinks highly of Tampa personnel exec Jon Robinson, whom he worked with in New England. If given the opportunity to chose a general manager, those two would be considered strong candidates.
Really convincing point man.This thread has grown stagnant with he said she said speculation. The thing i found interesting was a report separate from glaziers original in which more then one nfl team was waiting to see what happened with ob before deciding on their new coach.
Media reporters dont stay relevant or credible by deliberately reporting erroneous reports. Million dollar franchises (billion?) dont just hault the future of their businesses unless there's smoke. Is there fire?
I think ob's making a power play and if he beats new England he'll get far more leverage then he's ever had over Ricky mcnair jr. Jmo of course.
Link please.This thread has grown stagnant with he said she said speculation. The thing i found interesting was a report separate from glaziers original in which more then one nfl team was waiting to see what happened with ob before deciding on their new coach.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ms-are-waiting-to-learn-status-of-bill-obrienLink please.
Every associated story I've seen references Glazer's original tweet. So maybe you have something I haven't come across. I'd like to see it.
More speculation fluff.
More speculation fluff.
The article contains no quotes from anybody on the Texans. And looking at the original time stamp, it was posted before McNair and O'Brien both said the reports of him (O'Brien) leaving was pure B/S. Rapoport updated the post after our game - and the McNair/O'Brien quotes - and still refused to back away from this rumor.
That says a lot about his lack of credibility to me.
But you guys believe what you want.
Link please.
Every associated story I've seen references Glazer's original tweet. So maybe you have something I haven't come across. I'd like to see it.
I'm with you on pretty much everything you are saying, especially on it likely being BS that O'Brien might be fired. That said, is it hard to believe OB and Ricky have some animosity between the two of them?
The thing I found most convincing in this was what I read about Rick and OB's argument on Hard Knocks. Can't find the article, but I remember reading about how some of the crew became really uncomfortable with the dynamic between O'Brien and Smith. Also, I know there is a lot of hate for Jason La Canfora around here, but I found this quite interesting from Nov. 2015: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-power-structure-of-bill-obrien-gm-sharing-duties-to-change/
I tend to believe where there's smoke there's fire. These reports start last year and continue into this season. I doubt O'Brien's job was ever in jeopardy, but I do think it seems likely there are issues on Kirby.
I do not doubt that there are some disagreements between the two. That is fairly common with front offices in extremely competitive environments.
I'm wondering if this story is less about the disagreements, though, and more about O'Brien's personality. We saw it on Hard Knocks. The dude cusses like a sailor and throws F-bombs around like it's his favorite adjective.
It did not bother me at all (I tend to use 'colorful' language in allowable environments), but I would not doubt if it bothered Bob McNair, and maybe to some extent Rick Smith. I would imagine that that kind of gruff attitude and use of F-bombs is probably a regular thing when O'Brien gets heated, which is most likely where his mindset is in disagreements over players and strategy.
Then add that it was documented on Hard Knocks and becomes part of the his well cultivated and manicured image of his franchise? I can't help but wonder...
Maybe he even got gruff in the boardroom. Can you imagine Bob McNair's attitude if O'Brien barked at Cal? Pure speculation on my part, of course, but I can't help but wonder if much of these rumors have to do with personality conflicts more than the actual disagreements themselves. And now that O'Brien is firmly entrenched with three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win, what can McNair really do when he's probably struggling with the issue himself? Letting O'Brien go undermines everything he's established as an owner. But, the dude has a potty mouth, and that can be upsetting to some delicate sensibilities.
Obviously, JMO, but I do think there is an actual reason why these rumors persists. We just don't get much to substantiate it, so we fill in the blanks.
I could understand it if he were abusive, which I don't think he's been.
We all say we want these guys to be held accountable, but every time they're held accountable by the only guy who can hold them accountable, we complain that he's a meddling owner.
It's ridiculous the amount of power Kubiak had in this organization as a first time head coach, but McNair let him do his thing. David Carr was one stipulation... but that's the way it goes. He was our 1st ever pick, the guy had the talent, I don't think anyone denies that. We either had to pay him $8M or let him walk. If he were let go & became a franchise QB we'd be talking about another wasted opportunity. That decision had to be made before Kubiak could work with him. So all he's got is a bunch of game tape & a few conversations with Carr & there's no doubt Carr could come across as someone who gets it. But on game day...
Still, it got so bad that most of the country thinks the fans in Houston cheered when Matt Schaub got hurt. That's a decision Kubiak refused to make. He farts around with Keenum all season. We lead in most of those 8 games at half time & blew the lead, not being able to score... not scoring, because I think they were fully capable if Kubiak didn't turtle up every game. He pulls Keenum, throws Schaub back in there, damn right he needed his hand slapped. McNair did the right thing then, we all said as much at the time (we may not have liked the way he did it) but now we can pile it all up to a "meddling" owner.
Kubiak was only in that situation because our meddling owner fixed Kubiak's defensive problems.
Then O'brien says he can win with Fitz, then benches him. He says he can win with Hoyer, then benches him... neither had a winning record as the starting QB of the Houston Texans. Then he sticks Hoyer in that playoff game after Rick done got him Yates & Weeden. Our QB turns the ball over four times in the first half & he's trotted out there for the second half... there's no way in the world that O'brien should have had any say on who our QB should be. He's proven he couldn't pick a franchise QB out of a HOF candidates list. He can coach the heck out of them, but he can't pick them to save his life.
So our GM does his job & gets him a decent prospect with big game experience.
After these rumors come out that there's friction between Smith(McNair) & O'b, I don't think we can base our opinion of Brock on anything that happened this season. All season long O'bs play calling has been called predictable & stale. Sure, it's possible that's due to the limitations of the QB. But we've seen some pretty good drives from Osweiler. So we know it's possible. IMO it's the coach's job to find a way to get more of those drives out of his offense. Do the things that you're successful at more often than you don't.
But that's not what O'brien has done. He doesn't try to get his QB into a rhythm until late in games. He doesn't call "complimentary routes" until he "has" to. & I've yet to see us exploit any matchup. Most teams will attack the weaker matchups, the one where we have the advantage, but we go after teams best players. Whoever Jalen Ramsey was covering was the guy we're going to throw the ball to & that's with Tom Savage.
The guy is a joke. If he can't do his job, which is coach the players he's given to the best of his abilities... we don't need him. I think McNair spoiled him by giving him the benefit of the doubt, giving him more influence in player selection than he earned. But he screwed up twice. He shouldn't get a third chance, especially without proving that he can develop the players he's given... especially when it seems like there's a lack of "want to"
That said, I think the dumbass figured out the best thing for him to do is win. The more he wins from here out, the better his ability to negotiate new terms with the Texans will be, if he wants to be here, & the better the chances he'll be selected to coach another team, if he decides to leave.
Had he gone to San Francisco, he'd have had to win with Kaepernick/Gabbert, or he'd have had to been fired after one year.
Had he gone to Buffalo, he'd have had to win with Ej Manuel, Tyrod Taylor, or Cordale Jones, or he'd have been fired after two years.
If he went to Miami, he was going to have to make Tannehill work...
I can't think of any team that will give him more say in personnel than he's had here. He botched it. He needs to deal with it, make it work, or leave.
B*tch B*tch B*tchMore speculation fluff.
The article contains no quotes from anybody on the Texans. And looking at the original time stamp, it was posted before McNair and O'Brien both said the reports of him (O'Brien) leaving was pure B/S. Rapoport updated the post after our game - and the McNair/O'Brien quotes - and still refused to back away from this rumor.
That says a lot about his lack of credibility to me.
But you guys believe what you want.
I wasn't b*tching at you. Sorry if you took it that way.B*tch B*tch B*tch
You asked for something that didn't have Glazer's quote referenced and it took 5 seconds to find one. I'm no huge Rappaport fan, but you appear to be finding new ways to split hairs.
"We" is a large and diverse thing! That is to say that you're both right and wrong.
I like to think we're smarter than that.
I wasn't b*tching at you. Sorry if you took it that way.
I'm more than a little frustrated at how we take these rumors/suppositions/speculation and repeat them as gospel.
I like to think we're smarter than that.
The other teams in the playoffs didn't need a boost of publicity, either. I have no idea, whatsoever, if any of this is true or not, but I do know that the Texans are the black sheep in this years playoffs. Just another angle to think on.I think you're smarter than to always want to dismiss things as if they just came out of thin air. This didn't. You look around the rest of the playoff teams and they don't have these imaginary rumors swirling around the HC and the team's GM. This is very common to hear this stuff towards the end of the season with certain groups of management or HC's. OB is not some push over and he'll let his opinions be known. It isn't like having to believe in big foot to believe that that him and Rick Smith may not get along that well especially with how dysfunctional the Texans organization has always been. Radio hosts and reporters didn't just get high one night and think they could get a bunch of web hits by manifesting spats between Texans staff members with literally zero validity to it. There is a struggling QB that OB may or may not have wanted who has a huge salary cap and he played awful this season. That wasn't expected. Things got rocky this year as they did last year. Why wouldn't they have disagreements with circumstances like that?
Geez I swear some of you guys almost put a wall up to believe anything no matter how obvious unless you see video footage of it on your street.
I do not doubt that there are some disagreements between the two. That is fairly common with front offices in extremely competitive environments.
I'm wondering if this story is less about the disagreements, though, and more about O'Brien's personality. We saw it on Hard Knocks. The dude cusses like a sailor and throws F-bombs around like it's his favorite adjective.
It did not bother me at all (I tend to use 'colorful' language in allowable environments), but I would not doubt if it bothered Bob McNair, and maybe to some extent Rick Smith. I would imagine that that kind of gruff attitude and use of F-bombs is probably a regular thing when O'Brien gets heated, which is most likely where his mindset is in disagreements over players and strategy.
Then add that it was documented on Hard Knocks and became part of the well cultivated and manicured image of his franchise? I can't help but wonder...
Maybe he even got gruff in the boardroom. Can you imagine Bob McNair's attitude if O'Brien barked at Cal? Pure speculation on my part, of course, but I can't help but wonder if much of these rumors have to do with personality conflicts more than the actual disagreements themselves. And now that O'Brien is firmly entrenched with three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win, what can McNair really do when he's probably struggling with the issue himself? Letting O'Brien go undermines everything he's established as an owner. But, the dude has a potty mouth, and that can be upsetting to some delicate sensibilities.
Obviously, JMO, but I do think there is an actual reason why these rumors persists. We just don't get much to substantiate it, so we fill in the blanks.
The other teams in the playoffs didn't need a boost of publicity, either. I have no idea, whatsoever, if any of this is true or not, but I do know that the Texans are the black sheep in this years playoffs. Just another angle to think on.
I wasn't b*tching at you. Sorry if you took it that way.
I'm more than a little frustrated at how we take these rumors/suppositions/speculation and repeat them as gospel.
I like to think we're smarter than that.