Yeah... because he's already GM & VP of football operations of the Houston Texans.
Next step for Rick is Mrs. Cal McNair
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[Sources] OB & Smith relationship has worsened
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Yeah... because he's already GM & VP of football operations of the Houston Texans.
Next step for Rick is Mrs. Cal McNair
I don't see "chip lead to O'Brien"
He was brought in to instill some mental toughness into our players & get past the divisional round.
Winning in Indy moved the chips to O'b. Winning that game with Brandon Weeden probably pushed a big stack his way. As well as winning in Indy again. Sweeping the Colts.
But beating Oakland? Winning the division two years in a row? It cracks me up when O'b acts like we haven't done these things before he was a twinkle in McNair's eye.
Beat New England. Advance to the AFCCG. Do something we didn't do before he got here.
What do y'all think of Chip Kelly as our offensive coordinator? Bill keeps saying they're good friends.
We'll have to move away from the O'Leary offense, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
We'll have to move away from the O'Leary offense, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I think/I think
You think the Jimmy G thing isn't true. Please cite sources and then I will tell you your sources are just making things up and dont have a clue as to what the Texans org is or isn't doing. Rick forced Os onto BOB according to sources. See how that works.
He heard something from somebody. He could have said that about any HC, but he didn't he said it about BOB. For instance he could've said the same thing about Tomlin/BB/Harbaugh but didn't.
I just gotta believe if Savage is his guy now, he had to have been his guy back then.
Not if he was told to play Os. Which I can see since Os got paid all of that $$$$. Which could be the source of issues, especially if Os was forced on BOB.
All of those guys have tenure with their teams and great rapport with their team owner. Two of them are still in the playoffs and are expected to do well.
If Glazer had done ANY homework on the Texans, he would know that (a) McNair doesn't fire coaches lightly and (b) O'Brien isn't some whiney, little quitter who would cut and run from a job he signed on to do. I'm still not a fan of how O'Brien has mishandled getting a good caliber QB in here but I'll never say the man isn't a fighter.
No, Glazer didn't hear anything from anybody; he was just tweeting crap out to the TwitterVerse to see how many suckers he could reel in.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
And if it doesn't happen, he can claim his "I can see" speculation, retaining his media credibility while getting a metric crap ton of run out of the situation. The media these days wants to be the story as much as they want to report the story.
Who did you hear that from?
That Glazer didn't hear nothing from nobody.
Or were you just posting Cr.. to see how many suckers you can reel in?
Vinnie
with an I E
No, I haven't. I also haven't looked at the Texans drafts over the last ten years, I'm not that morbidly curious. I was just going off of memory. Sure, every team is going to bust on players, but the ones that dominate year over year bust far less than the ones that don't. You know, teams like the Texans.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Who did you hear that from?
That Glazer didn't hear nothing from nobody.
Or were you just posting Cr.. to see how many suckers you can reel in?
His tweet. It doesn't even cite an 'anonymous source.'
Pure conjecture.
Except Gazer doesn't have a history of reporting like that. Neither does LZ. LaConfora on the otherhand does have that kind of history. If he was reporting this I would be on board with you.
Doesn't matter since the Texans beat Oakland. I just hate that Marrone got the Jags job.
Vinnie
with an I E
I know it's not on topic, but why do you hate that Marrone got the Jags job? I don't foresee him being any more effective than Bradley. If anything it will likely be same 'ol Jags.
Marrone & O'b go way back. Could have been a nice OC for us.
Vinnie
with an I E
Ah, gotcha.
I think the media space is so crowded with voices that sometimes these guys have to make a splash to get noticed.
Key words in his initial statement - "Surprise", "could be", "if", and "I can see" - leads me to believe this is click-baits speculation. Maybe he did speak to "someone in the organization", but it could have been a waterboy that overheard a heated debated for all we know.
What I do know and feel confident about is history and public statements by those in power. And based on that history and previous statements, I tend to lean your way. Much ado about nothing.
McNair is a very patient owner that tends to hate drastic change. This entire story undermines the 15 year history of the Texans. His team is winning and making it to the playoffs. I'd expect O'Brien to get incrementally a little more power in the boardroom as a result. Nothing drastic, just a small evolution of how things are done on Kirby.
The most successful teams usually don't like change. I'm glad that McNair is a patient owner. I wouldn't mind OB having all the power and Smith having a nice new title away from personnel.
Because these talking heads always say when they have a "source". Did you not notice there wasn't the usual and customary, "I heard from a source close to the situation" anywhere in that tweet. When have you seen them leave that out if they can use it to validate the credibility of their "breaking news". In fact, he didn't even categorize this as "breaking news". He said, "I can see..." Not "I heard". Not, "someone told me".Who did you hear that from?
That Glazer didn't hear nothing from nobody.
Or were you just posting Cr.. to see how many suckers you can reel in?
I'm just yanking your chain, LOL.
Marrone is one of the best OL coaches.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The job of the gm is to scout and draft players based on the coaches profile of such players. Smith still has a job because he's been doing that for both Kubes and Obrien. Just look at the te position. No way Fido is drafted by Smith if Kubes is coach. XSF probably isn't either. Those were all BOB picks. Miller probably wouldn't have been signed, they would've probably found a cj anderson type of zone back.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Btw, Godsey is terrible
Reading this article on Marrone quitting/leaving the Bills, it seem very similar to the situation playing out between the Texans and O'Brien.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...arrone-not-well-liked-bills-article-1.2064861
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...arrone-not-well-liked-bills-article-1.2064861
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Well, Marrone is an offensive coach, and one of the first things Rex Ryan did when he took over for him was to fire Jim Schwartz as DC after his first (and obviously only) year there. Buffalo's defense went from top 5 (both yardage and scoring) the season before Rex took over to middle of the pack at best (both yardage and scoring) during Rex's two years there.
Buffalo didn't have a choice because Marrone had a clause in his contract that said he could walk if ownership changed. It changed, and he walked. I don't think the franchise was better off for it regardless of whatever challenges may have existed with Marrone as their coach. Quite the opposite (IMO).
For the record, I also think it's a pretty decent hire for the Jags. I think it's very realistic that over the next 2-3 years they're a bigger threat to the Texans than the Titans will be.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
I'm with you on pretty much everything you are saying, especially on it likely being BS that O'Brien might be fired. That said, is it hard to believe OB and Ricky have some animosity between the two of them?
The thing I found most convincing in this was what I read about Rick and OB's argument on Hard Knocks. Can't find the article, but I remember reading about how some of the crew became really uncomfortable with the dynamic between O'Brien and Smith. Also, I know there is a lot of hate for Jason La Canfora around here, but I found this quite interesting from Nov. 2015: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-power-structure-of-bill-obrien-gm-sharing-duties-to-change/
I tend to believe where there's smoke there's fire. These reports start last year and continue into this season. I doubt O'Brien's job was ever in jeopardy, but I do think it seems likely there are issues on Kirby.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
This thread has grown stagnant with he said she said speculation. The thing i found interesting was a report separate from glaziers original in which more then one nfl team was waiting to see what happened with ob before deciding on their new coach.
Media reporters dont stay relevant or credible by deliberately reporting erroneous reports. Million dollar franchises (billion?) dont just hault the future of their businesses unless there's smoke. Is there fire?
I think ob's making a power play and if he beats new England he'll get far more leverage then he's ever had over Ricky mcnair jr. Jmo of course.
Media reporters dont stay relevant or credible by deliberately reporting erroneous reports. Million dollar franchises (billion?) dont just hault the future of their businesses unless there's smoke. Is there fire?
I think ob's making a power play and if he beats new England he'll get far more leverage then he's ever had over Ricky mcnair jr. Jmo of course.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
Really convincing point man.
Maybe McNair was never going to fire O'Brien, but OB began demanding Smith be fired. Obviously, it's all speculation, and we'll know more depending on what happens to Smith the off-season. If he gets moved to a new position, we can pretty much be guaranteed that there were issues between OB and Ricky.
But yes you are right on. If it is true that NFL franchises were putting off their coaching search to wait and see what happened with OB, there can be no doubt that there was something going on.
Link please.
Every associated story I've seen references Glazer's original tweet. So maybe you have something I haven't come across. I'd like to see it.
More speculation fluff.
The article contains no quotes from anybody on the Texans. And looking at the original time stamp, it was posted before McNair and O'Brien both said the reports of him (O'Brien) leaving was pure B/S. Rapoport updated the post after our game - and the McNair/O'Brien quotes - and still refused to back away from this rumor.
That says a lot about his lack of credibility to me.
But you guys believe what you want.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
More speculation fluff.
The article contains no quotes from anybody on the Texans. And looking at the original time stamp, it was posted before McNair and O'Brien both said the reports of him (O'Brien) leaving was pure B/S. Rapoport updated the post after our game - and the McNair/O'Brien quotes - and still refused to back away from this rumor.
That says a lot about his lack of credibility to me.
But you guys believe what you want.
I believe there was/is some kind of power struggle.
Beyond that, I don't feel one way or another about it.
I think any rift has a good chance of being solved behind closed doors. Basically the speculation of the result of the rift that I believe is or at least was there is just that...speculation.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I do not doubt that there are some disagreements between the two. That is fairly common with front offices in extremely competitive environments.
I'm wondering if this story is less about the disagreements, though, and more about O'Brien's personality. We saw it on Hard Knocks. The dude cusses like a sailor and throws F-bombs around like it's his favorite adjective.
It did not bother me at all (I tend to use 'colorful' language in allowable environments), but I would not doubt if it bothered Bob McNair, and maybe to some extent Rick Smith. I would imagine that that kind of gruff attitude and use of F-bombs is probably a regular thing when O'Brien gets heated, which is most likely where his mindset is in disagreements over players and strategy.
Then add that it was documented on Hard Knocks and became part of the well cultivated and manicured image of his franchise? I can't help but wonder...
Maybe he even got gruff in the boardroom. Can you imagine Bob McNair's attitude if O'Brien barked at Cal? Pure speculation on my part, of course, but I can't help but wonder if much of these rumors have to do with personality conflicts more than the actual disagreements themselves. And now that O'Brien is firmly entrenched with three winning seasons, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win, what can McNair really do when he's probably struggling with the issue himself? Letting O'Brien go undermines everything he's established as an owner. But, the dude has a potty mouth, and that can be upsetting to some delicate sensibilities.
Obviously, JMO, but I do think there is an actual reason why these rumors persists. We just don't get much to substantiate it, so we fill in the blanks.
I could understand it if he were abusive, which I don't think he's been.
Some folks think cuss words are abusive in and of themselves regardless of the attitude or intent behind it. My grandmother always said it was a perception thing, and hated the language.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Here's my issue with all of this craziness that's going on with this organization. Both parties are completely at fault.
1st Rick and McNair given O'Brien the power to bring in his type of quarterbacks from the get go.
When those array of quarterbacks didn't pan out, oh let's go get a quarterback without the coaches thumbs up.
2nd: Bill O'Brien should have approached this season with the same chain of thought he had when he hand picked his quarterbacks. He should have made sure he got the very best out of Brock just like he did with Hoyer, Fitzpatrick and even Mallett. That way his stance in the matter could be a little more validated. He's paid to do a job correct.
Finally all of them needs a kick in the butt for not being on the same page from day 1. Every acquisition should have been a collective agreement amongst all parties. The golden plan should have been etched out when they hired Bill O'Brien and staff.
It's very clear both parties had their own agendas. This is not fair to all those players who are out there grinding their butts off and to us, the fans.
1st Rick and McNair given O'Brien the power to bring in his type of quarterbacks from the get go.
When those array of quarterbacks didn't pan out, oh let's go get a quarterback without the coaches thumbs up.
2nd: Bill O'Brien should have approached this season with the same chain of thought he had when he hand picked his quarterbacks. He should have made sure he got the very best out of Brock just like he did with Hoyer, Fitzpatrick and even Mallett. That way his stance in the matter could be a little more validated. He's paid to do a job correct.
Finally all of them needs a kick in the butt for not being on the same page from day 1. Every acquisition should have been a collective agreement amongst all parties. The golden plan should have been etched out when they hired Bill O'Brien and staff.
It's very clear both parties had their own agendas. This is not fair to all those players who are out there grinding their butts off and to us, the fans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
B*tch B*tch B*tchMore speculation fluff.
The article contains no quotes from anybody on the Texans. And looking at the original time stamp, it was posted before McNair and O'Brien both said the reports of him (O'Brien) leaving was pure B/S. Rapoport updated the post after our game - and the McNair/O'Brien quotes - and still refused to back away from this rumor.
That says a lot about his lack of credibility to me.
But you guys believe what you want.
You asked for something that didn't have Glazer's quote referenced and it took 5 seconds to find one. I'm no huge Rappaport fan, but you appear to be finding new ways to split hairs.
I wasn't b*tching at you. Sorry if you took it that way.
I'm more than a little frustrated at how we take these rumors/suppositions/speculation and repeat them as gospel.
I like to think we're smarter than that.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
"We" is a large and diverse thing! That is to say that you're both right and wrong.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think you're smarter than to always want to dismiss things as if they just came out of thin air. This didn't. You look around the rest of the playoff teams and they don't have these imaginary rumors swirling around the HC and the team's GM. This is very common to hear this stuff towards the end of the season with certain groups of management or HC's. OB is not some push over and he'll let his opinions be known. It isn't like having to believe in big foot to believe that that him and Rick Smith may not get along that well especially with how dysfunctional the Texans organization has always been. Radio hosts and reporters didn't just get high one night and think they could get a bunch of web hits by manifesting spats between Texans staff members with literally zero validity to it. There is a struggling QB that OB may or may not have wanted who has a huge salary cap and he played awful this season. That wasn't expected. Things got rocky this year as they did last year. Why wouldn't they have disagreements with circumstances like that?
Geez I swear some of you guys almost put a wall up to believe anything no matter how obvious unless you see video footage of it on your street.
The other teams in the playoffs didn't need a boost of publicity, either. I have no idea, whatsoever, if any of this is true or not, but I do know that the Texans are the black sheep in this years playoffs. Just another angle to think on.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
OB is kind of like that coworker we all know that everyone kind of avoids because anytime you ask them to do something it take more effort to get them to do it than to do it yourself. Given that you hope they just go away.
However, he may be the only guy that was right and somehow the three that were wrong (Cal, McNair, and Rick) are agreeing it's his fault so they don't look bad. Sort if like when your HQ tells you to do work a certain way and you know it may look good in a spreadsheet but will never fly in real life and somehow its your fault because they just dont understand the real world.
Either way the hypotheticals are endless.
I bet Belichick was "the leak"
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