It's relevant to the conversation I was in the middle of. Not relevant to the point you're making.I just don’t think it’s relevant
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It's relevant to the conversation I was in the middle of. Not relevant to the point you're making.I just don’t think it’s relevant
I don’t have any deep thoughts or problems with any of this. I just don’t think it’s relevant. we are talking third round here and our starter was TT. It’s a layup. And we don’t know how any other pick would have performed at that spot to compare it to DM’s contribution Anyway.
Thank you.Frankly I find this kind of thinking strange.
Every year I say I don't watch college football. So to me it's more about position. I didn't like using our 1st pick on a QB & to me it signaled the Texans thought an awful lot of him.TK's done a fine job of threading the needle of not liking the Mills pick and somehow not having an issue with Mills being the QB.
TK's done a fine job of threading the needle of not liking the Mills pick and somehow not having an issue with Mills being the QB.
He did the same thing with the Derrick trade. He liked what Caserio got in the trade but doesn't like how Caserio went about making the trade.
Frankly I find this kind of thinking strange.
It’s a way to fight back for something you can’t change to one’s own way of doing something but it brings everyone else down with them.Complaining to complain. Girls do it a lot.
I believe he’s playing devils advocate like always.TK's done a fine job of threading the needle of not liking the Mills pick and somehow not having an issue with Mills being the QB.
He did the same thing with the Derrick trade. He liked what Caserio got in the trade but doesn't like how Caserio went about making the trade.
Frankly I find this kind of thinking strange.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.I believe he’s playing devils advocate like always.
Not me. If someone with talent of Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady or Peyton Manning in his prime was sitting there for the Texans at #3 in the 2022 draft and the Texans said, "no thanks, we'll go with a corner" (or any other position) they'd be forever be looked upon as morons, and rightfully so.I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I didn’t read your post until after I posted.I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
Or trade the pick for a boatload of picks to help expediate the rebuild. This really comes down to whether you truly believe Mills is a franchise QB, I think he is.Not me. If someone with talent of Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady or Peyton Manning in his prime was sitting there for the Texans at #3 in the 2022 draft and the Texans said, "no thanks, we'll go with a corner" (or any other position) they'd be forever be looked upon as morons, and rightfully so.
By the way, you can still sit your quarterback for a year or so like the Chief's did with Mahomes and Rodgers and that worked out pretty well for those teams.
The Colts started their rebuild with Manning. Very successful. But I hear youI'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
I'm telling you exactly why I don't like it. I wouldn't start my rebuild with a QB. It's simple. & has nothing to do with Mills. His name could be Aaron Rodgers for all I care.
Peyton Manning may be the only exception to the rule. Rodgers & Majomes went to playoff teams.Not me. If someone with talent of Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady or Peyton Manning in his prime was sitting there for the Texans at #3 in the 2022 draft and the Texans said, "no thanks, we'll go with a corner" (or any other position) they'd be forever be looked upon as morons, and rightfully so.
By the way, you can still sit your quarterback for a year or so like the Chief's did with Mahomes and Rodgers and that worked out pretty well for those teams.
If there's a QB you like, you take him. Never know when another one will come along
And like I said earlier, the personnel moves they've made are pretty much the same type moves they would make in your scenario too
I agree. But I keep getting asked, so I keep sayingDoesn't matter what you like. What's done is done.
I’m thrilled that a bunch of the coaches from 2021 are carrying over into 2022. I’m glad they found some players they liked in 2021 & were able to form a core to build on. I’m glad guys like Blacklock, Greenard, & Lopez got some good work in last season & appear to be trending towards the good.How do you think the rebuild is going.
Like you said, what’s done is done. Hopefully the rest of the team can develop with him.I'm glad Mills is the QB and I'm looking forward to seeing how he grows.
If Mahomes & Watson swapped places. Texans still would have won just 4 games in 2019.
Good point. But you risk wasting career after career if you start at QB.And I don't necessarily agree with not starting your rebuild with a QB. A QB's career can be a lot longer than the other players. If you build up this great team of great players, you run a real risk of wasting their talent and careers if you don't hit on the QB at just the right time. If you see a QB you think could be the guy, I say you take your shot and build around him.
Only variable I’m looking at is in Alabama nowAnd to even say that is to discredit Mahomes and give too much credit to Watson and his skill.
Too many variables.
I’m really moving far from what my point really is.What if we had a round 1 and a round 2 in 2021 Draft when we selected Davis Mills in round 3? What if we had drafted wide receiver jamarr Chase and Center Creed Humphreys. We did not have tunsil for most of that season anyway.
Well dang... Super BowlI’m really moving far from what my point really is.
but in 2020 we had 10 starters who didn’t know what they were doing taking direction from somebody that didn’t know what he was doing.
different strokes. I gave my reasons for my position
& we’re giddy about our draft. If Mills can’t read a defense or recognize a blitz or free rusher, or how to manage a hot route, we’ll be back to talking about the talentless OL & Tunsil’s empty pro bowls & lack of offensive weapons.
again, I hope Nick & Lovie can develop a team & a QB at the same time. But odds are against them.
If there's a QB you like, you take him. Never know when another one will come along.
different strokes. I gave my reasons for my position
Why would you think Mills is a franchise qb?Or trade the pick for a boatload of picks to help expediate the rebuild. This really comes down to whether you truly believe Mills is a franchise QB, I think he is.
Why would you think Mills is a franchise qb?
How good does a QB have to be before he is considered a franchise guy?Why would you think Mills is a franchise qb?
The game obviously slowed down for him towards the end of the season. Another year should tell us a lot more - especially with some team upgrades around him.I think he's just scratching the surface of his abilities ,since he's played so little. He surprised me with the speed of his decision making in the last 5 games of the season. Plus he throws with great accuracy and anticipation.
Why do you think he's not? Do you think he can't get better?
Why would you think Mills is a franchise qb?
How good does a QB have to be before he is considered a franchise guy?
I think good Schaub is a benchmark to start at and Mills definitely has the potential to reach that mark.
Peyton Manning may be the only exception to the rule. Rodgers & Majomes went to playoff teams.
If Mahomes & Watson swapped places. Texans still would have won just 4 games in 2019.
Matthew Stafford would never win a Super Bowl & the Lions have been a bad team for 20 years.
If our running game can be even 50% better, and there are plenty of reasons to believe it should, that will take a lot of pressure off him and open up his passing game more and allow him to settle into a balanced role that is ideal for a QB and a varied, dual threat offence.I think he can be better than Schaub.
I think there is a difference between franchise qb and qb of a franchise. A franchise qb is basically an eraser. A qb of a franchise needs everything to be successful. You can win games with a qb of a franchise as long as the team is strong from top to bottom, but that only lasts so long because of free agency. A franchise qb can overcome these shortcomings. Whether its a leaky line, avg running game, middle of the pack defense. A qb of the franchise can't win without all these componets functioning at a high level. I think Mills can be a solid qb, I don't see him as an eraser type. I've told you, I don't see any special physical traits. So you have to build a perfect team which is basically impossible in today's nfl. Before free agency when you could keep your depth and all your players, the qb was almost just like another player, but now he is the most important player in all sports.I think he's just scratching the surface of his abilities ,since he's played so little. He surprised me with the speed of his decision making in the last 5 games of the season. Plus he throws with great accuracy and anticipation.
Why do you think he's not? Do you think he can't get better?
Even franchise QBs can take time to reach their potential and that obviously starts as a rookie. Look at Drew Brees for an example of that.I think there is a difference between franchise qb and qb of a franchise. A franchise qb is basically an eraser. A qb of a franchise needs everything to be successful. You can win games with a qb of a franchise as long as the team is strong from top to bottom, but that only lasts so long because of free agency. A franchise qb can overcome these shortcomings. Whether its a leaky line, avg running game, middle of the pack defense. A qb of the franchise can't win without all these componets functioning at a high level. I think Mills can be a solid qb, I don't see him as an eraser type. I've told you, I don't see any special physical traits. So you have to build a perfect team which is basically impossible in today's nfl. Before free agency when you could keep your depth and all your players, the qb was almost just like another player, but now he is the most important player in all sports.
Interesting but what players can we possibly lose in the next two years? Not saying that Mills will take us to the Superbowl in those years but we will definitely know what we have. If he is a above-average NFL quarterback we have 4 round ones and two round twos to solidify offense. Cooks and Tunsil may leave after contracts but should be replaceable.I think there is a difference between franchise qb and qb of a franchise. A franchise qb is basically an eraser. A qb of a franchise needs everything to be successful. You can win games with a qb of a franchise as long as the team is strong from top to bottom, but that only lasts so long because of free agency. A franchise qb can overcome these shortcomings. Whether its a leaky line, avg running game, middle of the pack defense. A qb of the franchise can't win without all these componets functioning at a high level. I think Mills can be a solid qb, I don't see him as an eraser type. I've told you, I don't see any special physical traits. So you have to build a perfect team which is basically impossible in today's nfl. Before free agency when you could keep your depth and all your players, the qb was almost just like another player, but now he is the most important player in all sports.
I think he can be better than Schaub.
People always bring up Brees and for good reason. Brees was a 2nd rd pick who did struggle until year 3. By that time, they were in position to draft #1. We have to remember this was before the rookie wage scale also. Happenstance and circumstance and gets with a coach who accented his strengths. Who knows how he would've turned out if he would've went to Miami under Saban. That was also a different nfl with roster turnover. I guess we will see,but just like Chargers didn't pass a franchise caliber qb in Rivers even though they had Brees, I hope if given the opportunity the Texans don't pass either.Even franchise QBs can take time to reach their potential and that obviously starts as a rookie. Look at Drew Brees for an example of that.
There is no escaping the fact that rookie QBs need all the help they can get - if you want to speed up their development.
Even veteran franchise QBs need a good team around them if you want your team to succeed at the highest level - look at the long suffering Matt Stafford for example.
Look at the landscape of the afc and tell me in a game where the Texans will have an advantage at qb? Not only that, those qb's are young too. I guess we will see soon enough.Interesting but what players can we possibly lose in the next two years? Not saying that Mills will take us to the Superbowl in those years but we will definitely know what we have. If he is a above-average NFL quarterback we have 4 round ones and two round twos to solidify offense. Cooks and Tunsil may leave after contracts but should be replaceable.
Not exactly. If Mills doesn’t work out Brevin Jordan won’t. We’ll probably go through 6 more linemen. Can’t pass pro, can’t run block. QBs telling them to run right when the defense is telling him to run left.Well, if Mills doesn't pan out, your plan is actually being played out.
They're building the team for the next QB if it isn't Mills
Unless you want to ruin that QB, yes.So you're telling me that a team with no starting QB should willfully not draft a QB who they have rated as a starter, just because the team isn't "built" yet?
When fans start looking at their schedule & say, “They got Davis Mills, we’ll probably lose that one.”How good does a QB have to be before he is considered a franchise guy?
I think there is a difference between franchise qb and qb of a franchise. A franchise qb is basically an eraser. A qb of a franchise needs everything to be successful. You can win games with a qb of a franchise as long as the team is strong from top to bottom, but that only lasts so long because of free agency. A franchise qb can overcome these shortcomings. Whether its a leaky line, avg running game, middle of the pack defense. A qb of the franchise can't win without all these componets functioning at a high level. I think Mills can be a solid qb, I don't see him as an eraser type. I've told you, I don't see any special physical traits. So you have to build a perfect team which is basically impossible in today's nfl. Before free agency when you could keep your depth and all your players, the qb was almost just like another player, but now he is the most important player in all sports.
Unless you want to ruin that QB, yes.
Troy Aikman to Dallas
Peyton Manning to Indy
Who else has put a rookie QB on a bad team & won?
Russell Wilson to Seattlle ?
Josh Allen to Buffalo
Joe Burrow to Cincinnati
so far so good. But their QBs get so beat up, have they really built anything? We’ll see where they’re at in 2022.