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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

IDEXAN said:
You fooled me SteelB because all of this I time I thought you were a Texans fan ?
Personally as a loyal Texans fan I was hoping that Watson would command a ransom in terms of high draft picks in a trade but now his future is likely in the hands of the "METoo" crowd which means his market value may end up being approximately that of Ray Rices before this is done.
The Metoo crowd routinely destroys the careers of national politician figures (governors, senators, presidential candidates, etc.), so an NFL QB will be childs play for that mob.
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See here's the thing though looking at it from a pure football point of view this more than anything might be what causes Watson to stay in Houston or at least waive the NTC so the team can get whatever they can. I don't know how much this really will hurt his value because the NFL is very forgiving of its superstar players. I'm just not sure now whether the Texans dig in further and point out to him that this may not be the best time for him to lose a lot of money by sitting out or if they do trade him. Huh, wonder if this is why Cal made Caserio one of the top 3 highest paid GMs, he knew this was about to hit the fan and that the GM would be the one holding the umbrella.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If that's the case why didn't the Texans go ahead and trade him if they weren't going to back him?
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I’m thinking the Texans were all, “We need to get ahead of this, publish a statement, get you in treatment...”

& Watson was all, “I’m not guilty, I’m not doing this or that...”

the Texans are saying, “We’re not saying you’re guilty, but you have to do these things...”

But everything Watson heard equated to admitting guilt.

I’m saying Watson didn’t feel like he was getting the support he “wanted” all the while the Texans have been offering the support he needs.
 
Well this isn't going to sort it's way out before the draft so we might as well get used to the idea of having Watson around for awhile. Probably have a lot more eyes on us, fines, suspensions etc...Looks like no rebuild this year anyway...
 
IDEXAN said:
You fooled me SteelB because all of this I time I thought you were a Texans fan ?
Personally as a loyal Texans fan I was hoping that Watson would command a ransom in terms of high draft picks in a trade but now his future is likely in the hands of the "METoo" crowd which means his market value may end up being approximately that of Ray Rices before this is done.
The Metoo crowd routinely destroys the careers of national politician figures (governors, senators, presidential candidates, etc.), so an NFL QB will be childs play for that mob.
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True, but I think you will still get great value for DW4.

You think Tepper or Kraft will have an issue with DW4? I dont. Nothing has changed IMHO, you hold onto DW4 until you get the value you want for him.

I'm just enjoying seeing the dirty laundry finally coming out. Isn't this what most on this MB have been asking for? What happened to turn DW4 against the Texans org 6 months after signing that huge deal? I think we now know that answer and it has very little to do with the Texans org/Cuck and everything to do with DW4's character. BTW, something good could come from all of this, FA's etc... could begin to want to play for the Texans again knowing the DW4 situation is all of DW4's makings.
 
maverick512000 said:
So serious question but if the Texans, any part of them, knew or thought this might be coming down the pipeline why be so dead set on the "we're not trading him" stance? What would be the benefit to them to make sure he stays in Houston beyond just his talent. I mean I can see it because now they certainly lock him down for almost the rest of his career if they so chose. Likewise this also does explain why Watson all of a sudden wanted out and why it was said his camp was getting an itchy trigger finger for something to be done. All I do know is this is the most interesting and entertaining the Texans have been for 5 years, just wish it was for on field action and not off field action.
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They may believe Watson is innocent. & he can go on to win Super Bowls like Roethlisberger.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m thinking the Texans were all, “We need to get ahead of this, publish a statement, get you in treatment...”

& Watson was all, “I’m not guilty, I’m not doing this or that...”

the Texans are saying, “We’re not saying you’re guilty, but you have to do these things...”

But everything Watson heard equated to admitting guilt.

I’m saying Watson didn’t feel like he was getting the support he “wanted” all the while the Texans have been offering the support he needs.
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That does make more sense than him being so mad about the GM hire.
 
maverick512000 said:
I can understand why they didn't trade him if the offers were to low what I don't understand is why the message that he's not on the trade block.
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Even if the offers were lower than expected, if they weren't going to back the guy why wouldn't you trade him?
Also we heard reports of teams being willing to give the farm up for Watson. Not just one, but multiple teams could have been engaged in a bidding war.

And there hasn't been any leaks of his potential misconduct until now.

Doesn't make sense for a team that is obviously hell bent on having good men on the team to not back a guy accused of sexual assault and then also not trade him to get him away from the team.


Personally I don't think the Texans knew about any of this stuff until recently. They likely found out well before we did but I don't think this is something they've been sitting on for long.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Watson gotta be bold as hell to do the things he's alleged of doing. Not just the acts themselves, but how he's supposedly going about the acts.

So he sexually assaults a masseuse, threatens her and then tells not one....but two other players about it?

Not me saying the allegations aren't true. Just saying he'd have to be a huge psychopath which he very well could be.
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I'm thinking he's just not that bright.

There I said it.
 
Trusting the wrong guys...or worse. He may legitimately think he did nothing wrong....victim blame.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m thinking the Texans were all, “We need to get ahead of this, publish a statement, get you in treatment...”

& Watson was all, “I’m not guilty, I’m not doing this or that...”

the Texans are saying, “We’re not saying you’re guilty, but you have to do these things...”

But everything Watson heard equated to admitting guilt.

I’m saying Watson didn’t feel like he was getting the support he “wanted” all the while the Texans have been offering the support he needs.
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That still doesn't make sense to me.

The Texans clearly don't want that image for their franchise so why would they basically have him admit guilt and then be known as the team with the rapist qb?
 
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steelbtexan said:
True, but I think you will still get great value for DW4.
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I think we need to come to terms with Watson not being traded.

I’m assuming a lot. I’m assuming the Texans have been telling him what he needs to know & they do have his back. His agent sold him on a dream. Watson will realize his agent was jacking him around & the Texans had his back & will have his back.

He’s going to stay.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Even if the offers were lower than expected, if they weren't going to back the guy why wouldn't you trade him?
Also we heard reports of teams being willing to give the farm up for Watson. Not just one, but multiple teams could have been engaged in a bidding war.

And there hasn't been any leaks of his potential misconduct until now.

Doesn't make sense for a team that is obviously hell bent on having good men on the team to not back a guy accused of sexual assault and then also not trade him to get him away from the team.


Personally I don't think the Texans knew about any of this stuff until recently. They likely found out well before we did but I don't think this is something they've been sitting on for long.
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Well first I'm not sure what you mean by back him, if this stuff is true then what backing are they suppose to give? Other than that they haven't suspended him, they haven't condemned him, they haven't done anything except the bare minimal that they have to do publicly. Privately we don't know what support they have offered. Next yeah we've heard reports but have you actually seen any of the offers? I sure haven't and I don't trust all these talking heads with insider information and unnamed sources, we are assuming teams have offered huge deals but we have no clue if thats true or not. Lastly, this "having good men on the team" has been way overblown to the point now people think that players have to pass some moral test even though there is zero evidence of that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think we need to come to terms with Watson not being traded.

I’m assuming a lot. I’m assuming the Texans have been telling him what he needs to know & they do have his back. His agent sold him on a dream. Watson will realize his agent was jacking him around & the Texans had his back & will have his back.

He’s going to stay.
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I know you're hoping this.

But with these latest accusations DW4 staying is even more unlikely, you really think Janice will want DW4 on her team. Now even Trotter's report of the Texans org changing their stance on DW4 makes more sense.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That still doesn't make sense to me.

The Texans clearly don't want that image for their franchise so why would they basically have him admit guilt and then be known as the team with the rapist qb?
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You mean other than the Steelers?

No one is saying he needs to admit guilt. Roethlisberger may appear to be guilty to a lot of people, but he never admitted anything even though they settled.

Regardless where Watson goes, he’s going to come to the realization the quickest, easiest way to get past this is to settle.
 
maverick512000 said:
Well first I'm not sure what you mean by back him, if this stuff is true then what backing are they suppose to give? Other than that they haven't suspended him, they haven't condemned him, they haven't done anything except the bare minimal that they have to do publicly. Privately we don't know what support they have offered. Next yeah we've heard reports but have you actually seen any of the offers? I sure haven't and I don't trust all these talking heads with insider information and unnamed sources, we are assuming teams have offered huge deals but we have no clue if thats true or not. Lastly, this "having good men on the team" has been way overblown to the point now people think that players have to pass some moral test even though there is zero evidence of that.
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You responded to my post where I quoted tkysss. I assumed you were following along.
Don't worry about it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Even if the offers were lower than expected, if they weren't going to back the guy why wouldn't you trade him?
Also we heard reports of teams being willing to give the farm up for Watson. Not just one, but multiple teams could have been engaged in a bidding war.

And there hasn't been any leaks of his potential misconduct until now.

Doesn't make sense for a team that is obviously hell bent on having good men on the team to not back a guy accused of sexual assault and then also not trade him to get him away from the team.


Personally I don't think the Texans knew about any of this stuff until recently. They likely found out well before we did but I don't think this is something they've been sitting on for long.
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McNairs have been blasted for their moralistic stance; if they knew this perhaps those morals kept them from dumping their dirty laundry elsewhere.
Not everyone puts stuff in car to quiet engine until car sells.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm thinking he's just not that bright.

There I said it.
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Don't know if intelligence has as much to do with it as maybe ego. You're young and you've become rich and famous almost overnight, every time you turn on the news and they are talking about you they all gush about how great you are, everywhere you turn people waiting for you to turn your back to them so they can pucker up, your peers, who also rich and famous, are telling you about how the world is yours for the taking. I can see how with almost anybody that might cause them to think they can do about anything they want and not face any consequences
 
thunderkyss said:
You mean other than the Steelers?

No one is saying he needs to admit guilt. Roethlisberger may appear to be guilty to a lot of people, but he never admitted anything even though they settled.

Regardless where Watson goes, he’s going to come to the realization the quickest, easiest way to get past this is to settle.
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And to your point, that may have been what the Texans advised him to do & he wasn’t trying to hear it... “you don’t have to admit anything..but you do have to get out in front of this before it blows up in your face...” and rather listen to them, he chose to listen to his agent and other players in his ear about “what the Texans are trying to do”...I bet he listening now tho.
 
thunderkyss said:
You mean other than the Steelers?

No one is saying he needs to admit guilt. Roethlisberger may appear to be guilty to a lot of people, but he never admitted anything even though they settled.

Regardless where Watson goes, he’s going to come to the realization the quickest, easiest way to get past this is to settle.
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You said "go to treatment".

Going to treatment is admitting guilt. Maybe not legally pleading guilty, but in everyone's eye that means you did something you need treatment for.

And the Texans clearly have an image they want to uphold. They do not want their qb even "appearing" guilty of sexual assault.

Sounds like story time around here.
 
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badboy said:
McNairs have been blasted for their moralistic stance; if they knew this perhaps those morals kept them from dumping their dirty laundry elsewhere.
Not everyone puts stuff in car to quiet engine until car sells.
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Yeah ok.

Yet they basically dumped Hopkins on someone else.


How about maybe none of that stuff is true? And you guys are just having story time in your head?
 
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wildroot said:
Well this isn't going to sort it's way out before the draft so we might as well get used to the idea of having Watson around for awhile. Probably have a lot more eyes on us, fines, suspensions etc...Looks like no rebuild this year anyway...
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Texans won't get fined unless it comes out they were covering it up or facilitating it somehow. Likewise Watson said if he wasn't traded he was going to sit anyway and Texans said they weren't trading so yeah not much has changed from the rebuild point of view
 
maverick512000 said:
Don't know if intelligence has as much to do with it as maybe ego. You're young and you've become rich and famous almost overnight, every time you turn on the news and they are talking about you they all gush about how great you are, everywhere you turn people waiting for you to turn your back to them so they can pucker up, your peers, who also rich and famous, are telling you about how the world is yours for the taking. I can see how with almost anybody that might cause them to think they can do about anything they want and not face any consequences
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Ego can cause a downfall and the results of ego can make the decisons you make, not make you look like the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Even if the offers were lower than expected, if they weren't going to back the guy why wouldn't you trade him?
Also we heard reports of teams being willing to give the farm up for Watson. Not just one, but multiple teams could have been engaged in a bidding war.

And there hasn't been any leaks of his potential misconduct until now.

Doesn't make sense for a team that is obviously hell bent on having good men on the team to not back a guy accused of sexual assault and then also not trade him to get him away from the team.


Personally I don't think the Texans knew about any of this stuff until recently. They likely found out well before we did but I don't think this is something they've been sitting on for long.
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McNairs have been blasted for their moralistic stance; if they knew this perhaps those morals kept them from dumping their dirty laundry elsewhere.
Not everyone puts stuff in car to quiet engine until car sells.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yeah ok.

Yet they basically dumped Hopkins on someone else.


How about maybe none of that stuff is true? And you guys are just having story time in your head?
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You can try and spin this on the Texans and talk about story time all you want but the fact is in the span of a day the number of cases jumped from 1 to 6. Whats that everyone has been saying about Easterby, "We may not know all the facts but where there's smoke, there's fire." Well right now Watson is look like Smokey the Bear's nightmare.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You said "go to treatment".

Going to treatment is admitting guilt. Maybe not legally pleading guilty, but in everyone's eye that means you did something you need treatment for.

And the Texans clearly have an image they want to uphold. They do not want their qb even "appearing" guilty of sexual assault.

Sounds like story time around here.
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Right. I wasn’t in the room. I’m speculating as to what was said. I have no idea.

But the general idea is the Texans were telling him to handle this type of thing the way it’s always been dealt with. & that way insinuate some form of guilt. Like I said, Roethlisberger was called Rapistburger for a couple of years. But now, he’s Big Ben again with two more rings on his fingers.

Watson wants to stand his ground. & is willing to sit out & prove his innocence. & that’s awesome. People don’t do that nowadays.

They usually take the easy way out. & now that there’s six complaints... & if that one about forcing oral sex goes much further he’ll be facing criminal charges... his lawyer has got to be telling him this isn’t a fight he wants. Get rid of that agent who is about to walk away from you & move on.
 
Mr teX said:
And to your point, that may have been what the Texans advised him to do & he wasn’t trying to hear it... “you don’t have to admit anything..but you do have to get out in front of this before it blows up in your face...” and rather listen to them, he chose to listen to his agent and other players in his ear about “what the Texans are trying to do”...I bet he listening now tho.
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And his agent is no where to be found. Suddenly.
 
maverick512000 said:
So serious question but if the Texans, any part of them, knew or thought this might be coming down the pipeline why be so dead set on the "we're not trading him" stance? What would be the benefit to them to make sure he stays in Houston beyond just his talent. I mean I can see it because now they certainly lock him down for almost the rest of his career if they so chose. Likewise this also does explain why Watson all of a sudden wanted out and why it was said his camp was getting an itchy trigger finger for something to be done. All I do know is this is the most interesting and entertaining the Texans have been for 5 years, just wish it was for on field action and not off field action.
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Driving up the price
 
maverick512000 said:
Texans won't get fined unless it comes out they were covering it up or facilitating it somehow. Likewise Watson said if he wasn't traded he was going to sit anyway and Texans said they weren't trading so yeah not much has changed from the rebuild point of view
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He still may not play next season, only it won’t have anything to do with him and everything to do with a one year suspension from the league.
 
steelbtexan said:
True, but I think you will still get great value for DW4.

You think Tepper or Kraft will have an issue with DW4? I dont. Nothing has changed IMHO, you hold onto DW4 until you get the value you want for him.

I'm just enjoying seeing the dirty laundry finally coming out. Isn't this what most on this MB have been asking for? What happened to turn DW4 against the Texans org 6 months after signing that huge deal? I think we now know that answer and it has very little to do with the Texans org/Cuck and everything to do with DW4's character. BTW, something good could come from all of this, FA's etc... could begin to want to play for the Texans again knowing the DW4 situation is all of DW4's makings.
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Tepper & Kraft aren't who we want to deal with because the teams owned by Johnson and Ross are where the greatest opportunities are.
Don't you get it SteelB, you should pay more attention to what's going on in our world: if a player is so trashed by certain groups like the MeToo crowd he becomes a pariah to league & teams sponsors no matter how talented he may be, and that's the real world out there
in todays NFL.
BTW I'm skeptical that players with any real talent will choose to play for the Texans under the incumbent ownership.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Even if the offers were lower than expected, if they weren't going to back the guy why wouldn't you trade him?
Also we heard reports of teams being willing to give the farm up for Watson. Not just one, but multiple teams could have been engaged in a bidding war.

And there hasn't been any leaks of his potential misconduct until now.

Doesn't make sense for a team that is obviously hell bent on having good men on the team to not back a guy accused of sexual assault and then also not trade him to get him away from the team.


Personally I don't think the Texans knew about any of this stuff until recently. They likely found out well before we did but I don't think this is something they've been sitting on for long.
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I agree. Why would you put out a statement specifically saying when you found out about it, if it weren't true. You would either tell the truth or not say anything. They have to know that as this unravels the truth is going to come out as to when they knew what. Even they aren't that stupid.
 
IDEXAN said:
Tepper & Kraft aren't who we want to deal with because the teams owned by Johnson and Ross are where the greatest opportunities are.
Don't you get it SteelB, you should pay more attention to what's going on in our world: if a player is so trashed by certain groups like the MeToo crowd he becomes a pariah to league & teams sponsors no matter how talented he may be, and that's the real world out there
in todays NFL.
BTW I'm skeptical that players with any real talent will choose to play for the Texans under the incumbent ownership.
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Can HOU even trade him now? What if the league starts an investigation of there own? Then he can’t be traded while your under league investigation, right? And I can see that investigation opening in 3,2,1...
I don’t see him going anywhere until this new mess is resolved and thats gonna take easily into the season.
Plus, his price will have been driven down massively by this. I’m betting teams just don’t even want him anymore, if at all.
He wants out. And has been saying he wants out. Why wouldn’t HOU just trade him for a kings ransom if they knew about this weeks ago?
Cause they didn’t know until just a few days ago.
 
That was me. I wanted to blame Jack. I was wrong.

maverick512000 said:
You can try and spin this on the Texans and talk about story time all you want but the fact is in the span of a day the number of cases jumped from 1 to 6. Whats that everyone has been saying about Easterby, "We may not know all the facts but where there's smoke, there's fire." Well right now Watson is look like Smokey the Bear's nightmare.
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Jack Burton said:
Can HOU even trade him now? What if the league starts an investigation of there own? Then he can’t be traded while your under league investigation, right? And I can see that investigation opening in 3,2,1...
I don’t see him going anywhere until this new mess is resolved and thats gonna take easily into the season.
Plus, his price will have been driven down massively by this. I’m betting teams just don’t even want him anymore, if at all.
He wants out. And has been saying he wants out. Why wouldn’t HOU just trade him for a kings ransom if they knew about this weeks ago?
Cause they didn’t know until just a few days ago.
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Yip that's the way I see it too.
Man the Texans should have struct when the iron was hot a couple weeks ago but now they've jacked around and totally
missed that window.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yeah ok.

Yet they basically dumped Hopkins on someone else.


How about maybe none of that stuff is true? And you guys are just having story time in your head?
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6 women and counting.

None of this may be true, but where there's smoke there's usually fire. Do you think he will get the Roethlisberger treatment from the press? I dont think he will, nor should he. But it's going to be entertaining watching him squirm. The mighty has fallen.
 
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