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Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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The Pencil Neck said:
Well, no.

51% of a 16 game season is 8.16 wins. 6.78 is damned close to 7 and when you don't round the numbers, you end up with a massive 1.38 win difference.
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We went through a similar exercise when evaluating Keenum's first year. Where these players ultimately end up tends to be directly influenced/determined by how much persistence in time and effort along with patience an organization is willing to invest in a player to see him through the sometimes painful but necessary developmental phase.
 
thunderkyss said:
I found this blog, which provides a "mathematical" argument as to why Tom Savage won't be any good.

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Fairly logical argument.... right?

So I was wondering if you took those stats from all the QBs drafted in the first round, how would they compare? I'm too lazy to compile the stats myself, but I was hoping one of you stat junkies wouldn't mind lending a hand. I did get a list of all the 1st rounders though....

2001: Michael Vick
2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey
2003: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Bollar, Rex Grossman
2004: Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, J.P. Losman (Shaub was taken in the 3rd round of this draft, Luke McCown in the 4th)
2005: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell (Matt Cassell & Ryan Fitzpatrick were taken in the 7th round of this draft)
2006: Vince Young, Matt Lienart, Jay Cutler
2007: Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quin
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco
2009: Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman
2010: Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow
2011: Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbart, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder
2012: Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden
2013: Ej Manuel

Lot of 1st round QBs taken since 2001. That's going to be a whole lot of work. Thank you in advance.
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TK, I'm not crunching meaningless numbers either. You can look at Warner/Romo (UDFAs), Brady a sixth to Ryan Lief and everywhere in between. It will come down to the individual, his learning capacity and work effort along with being able to absorb excellent coaching which will be right there.

It will be what it will be and is as unpredictable as SE Texas weather.

All we can do is wait and see. And hope.
 
One-on-one instruction benefits Texans rookie QB Savage
"You really do start from square one," Godsey said. "You assume (Savage) knows nothing. It's almost like you're a foreign language teacher. This is a brand-new system for him. The vernacular is different, and the way we call certain things, the terms we use, may be totally different. It's difficult for any of these (rookies), but it's especially true for a quarterback because he needs to learn all 22 positions on the field."
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"It's a brand-new environment," Godsey said. "He's got to get comfortable with a lot of things … like new shoes … who his teammates are … the wind … how we practice. Football players learn from their mistakes. He needed all the reps he got. A rookie is always playing catch-up."
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Of Tom Savage's performance in rookie minicamp, quarterbacks coach George Godsey said, "I think he's taken to what we've given him."
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"You don't want to overwhelm him with so many things he can't focus on one thing," Godsey said. "We worked on technique in a certain periods, reads in another. We try to hit all the main points. And I think he's taken to what we've given him. He's gone out there and executed the plays. There haven't been too many re-dos. There's things he can get better at, but I will say he's putting a lot of time into it, and I appreciate him doing that.

"Tom himself will determine how long it takes him to catch up (to the other quarterbacks). There are only so many hours in the day, but you've got to put in the time, and he seems willing to do that. Every quarterback that's here right now is going against himself, trying to absorb as much information as possible and doing the best they can do. It's really not a looking-over-the-shoulder kind of deal for any of them."
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Listening to John Harris on HT.com sounds like he thinks Savage is projected to start ASAP.

ASAP being dependent on how well he learns the playbook.
 
thunderkyss said:
I found this blog, which provides a "mathematical" argument as to why Tom Savage won't be any good.

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Fairly logical argument.... right?

So I was wondering if you took those stats from all the QBs drafted in the first round, how would they compare? I'm too lazy to compile the stats myself, but I was hoping one of you stat junkies wouldn't mind lending a hand. I did get a list of all the 1st rounders though....

2001: Michael Vick
2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey
2003: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Bollar, Rex Grossman
2004: Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, J.P. Losman (Shaub was taken in the 3rd round of this draft, Luke McCown in the 4th)
2005: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell (Matt Cassell & Ryan Fitzpatrick were taken in the 7th round of this draft)
2006: Vince Young, Matt Lienart, Jay Cutler
2007: Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quin
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco
2009: Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman
2010: Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow
2011: Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbart, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder
2012: Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden
2013: Ej Manuel

Lot of 1st round QBs taken since 2001. That's going to be a whole lot of work. Thank you in advance.
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Eating ice cream does not cause you to wear sandals.

None of this takes into account the teams that the players went to, who made the picks, the talent and system around the players, how many head coaches they had, whether or not they were developed correctly....

For example a lot of the QBs on that list were taken by teams that didn't have much around them and historically have struggled to find an answer. If you are looking for the success of picks... and it would be a monumental task, I would look at who has made picks over the last x number of years and what their overall productivity has been.

Mike
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Listening to John Harris on HT.com sounds like he thinks Savage is projected to start ASAP.

ASAP being dependent on how well he learns the playbook.
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That's pretty much what I've been expecting. I've said it before that I think Savage was the #2 guy on their QB board and the guy they were targeting pretty much the entire way.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Listening to John Harris on HT.com sounds like he thinks Savage is projected to start ASAP.

ASAP being dependent on how well he learns the playbook.
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I doubt being a reporter for the Texans carries the weight of coaching for the Texans.\

I gathered a fairly different view from Harris' comments. I thought he left it wide open for Savage to fail, rather than succeed.
 
Chris Simms, former NFL QB and scout with the Patriots thinks Tom Savage was the best QB prospect in the 2014 draft. Only questions for him were around off the field questions regarding his transferring/attending 3 different schools.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's pretty much what I've been expecting. I've said it before that I think Savage was the #2 guy on their QB board and the guy they were targeting pretty much the entire way.
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I don't buy it for a minute. Bridgewater falls to 33 and he's a Texan. Also, if he's your #2, why wait till the tail end of round 4 to lock him up?
 
disaacks3 said:
I don't buy it for a minute. Bridgewater falls to 33 and he's a Texan. Also, if he's your #2, why wait till the tail end of round 4 to lock him up?
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Just because he was #2 on their board (not saying he was or wasn't) doesn't mean they had to take him in the first, second, or third round. If he was #2 on their board and they did take him in the 4th round, that could tell you what they really thought about this QB class (which is about what I thought.. Extremely mediocre, overhyped, and not much drop off from 1st drafted to those drafted in lower rounds). Anyways I'm glad they didn't take Bridgewater.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just because he was #2 on their board (not saying he was or wasn't) doesn't mean they had to take him in the first, second, or third round. If he was #2 on their board and they did take him in the 4th round, that could tell you what they really thought about this QB class (which is about what I thought.. Extremely mediocre, overhyped, and not much drop off from 1st drafted to those drafted in lower rounds). Anyways I'm glad they didn't take Bridgewater.
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well, except I didn't really had an opinion about the QB class, since I couldn't follow college games
 
Has it ever been confirmed that the Texans would have picked Bridgewater at 33?

I know it's assumed, especially by the Vikings front office, but I was just wondering if the Texans ever said anything official.

Looking back at the very few words from O'Brien before the draft, you could surmise that they never intended to take a QB very high but always planned on getting one of them in later rounds.
 
disaacks3 said:
I don't buy it for a minute. Bridgewater falls to 33 and he's a Texan. Also, if he's your #2, why wait till the tail end of round 4 to lock him up?
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#2 on the QB board doesn't mean you've got a 2nd round grade on him. Or even a 3rd round grade on him.

Going into the second day of the draft, we had our pick of QBs and everyone expected us to go Carr or Garoppolo at 2-1. We didn't.

We easily could have traded up into the mid-20's and if we thought Bridgewater was any good, we would have. We wouldn't have waited.

I'm not saying that OB and Rick were right. I'm just saying that's what it looks like to me.

I think OB and Rick thought that they were the only ones who were interested in Savage, so they played chicken with him, delaying picking him up as long as they could. Rick has done this before with Duane Brown and with Ben Tate.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's pretty much what I've been expecting. I've said it before that I think Savage was the #2 guy on their QB board and the guy they were targeting pretty much the entire way.
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The way this whole thing ended up, it makes me think that the Texans had 3-4 QB's lumped together. Once Bortles/Bridgewater/Manziel was off the board, they drafted BPA and they ended up liking Savage more. That's my take on it, anyway.
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Double Barrel said:
Has it ever been confirmed that the Texans would have picked Bridgewater at 33?

I know it's assumed, especially by the Vikings front office, but I was just wondering if the Texans ever said anything official.

Looking back at the very few words from O'Brien before the draft, you could surmise that they never intended to take a QB very high but always planned on getting one of them in later rounds.
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Bridgewater's "best" trait, was his football intellect. Because he ran a "pro system" I don't think the Texans valued that as much as many fans did. Just because Bridgewater has a high football intellect does not mean that Bortles does not, or that Garoppolo does not. I was really impressed with Derek Carr's football IQ on Gruden's QB camp. Surprisd the heck out of me.

I would not be surprised if Carr was the Texans #1. He not only ran the offense, but called something like 40% of the plays (not counting audibles) & he's got a gun.

With Carr, Garrapolo, & Savage on the board, I wouldn't have taken a QB in the 2nd.

They didn't take one in the third after Carr & Garrapolo came off, so I assume they were also looking at Mettenberger, Fales, & Wenning
 
You guys don't know how difficult that tweet was for for Johnny McClain.

Number of Savage tweets/retweets by McClain since March 1st(before draft): 3 (all retweets)

Number of Manziel tweets/retweets by McClain since March 1st(before draft): 250+

And that ignores January & February.
 
Playoffs said:
No.

If they wanted TB they would have one-upped the Vikings deal. Swap picks & 4-1, easy-peasy.
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Just because it was possible (hell, damn easy), yet not done doesn't mean they wouldn't have nabbed him at 33. Occam's razor with this front office indicates lack of movement as a default.

I get the whole Savage had a later round grade argument, I just fail to see how he's your number two choice then. Number two for OB's "system"?

I hope they shock me and he turns out great. Odds are he doesn't and they fall back on "oh well, he was a fourth round gamble". Seems I've heard that tune before.
 
disaacks3 said:
Just because it was possible (hell, damn easy), yet not done doesn't mean they wouldn't have nabbed him at 33. Occam's razor with this front office indicates lack of movement as a default.

I get the whole Savage had a later round grade argument, I just fail to see how he's your number two choice then. Number two for OB's "system"?

I hope they shock me and he turns out great. Odds are he doesn't and they fall back on "oh well, he was a fourth round gamble". Seems I've heard that tune before.
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I don't know what you're really getting at. Is it you're contention that they would have drafted him higher if they considered him a number two, or that they didn't consider Bridgewater a number two?

What is the bottom line point you're trying to make?
 
Saying Savage was their #2 QB is incredibly vague. It could mean:

1) 2nd best QB of the entire draft.
2) 2nd best QB for OB's system.
3) 2nd QB who was available at a spot they thought was appropriate value for his talent.
4) 2nd QB they were willing to draft at all.
etc.
 
You know what would help Savage the most starting out in the NFL, a future HOF wide receiver. Well what do you know we have that, along with upgrading the o-line and Fosters return. I think this offense will score a lot of points. Although i do think we need another speed WR. We seem kind of old and slow in that department.
 
infantrycak said:
Saying Savage was their #2 QB is incredibly vague. It could mean:

1) 2nd best QB of the entire draft.
2) 2nd best QB for OB's system.
3) 2nd QB who was available at a spot they thought was appropriate value for his talent.
4) 2nd QB they were willing to draft at all.
etc.
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When I said that I think that Savage was the #2 QB on their board, I mean that I think that OB identified specific guys that he wanted to work with and develop... and there weren't a lot of them.

I think Bortles was at the top of the list and then I think Savage was #2. I think the list did include ALL the QBs in this draft but I think the order and draft grade on them were very, very different than the way the ESPN/NFLN guys were looking at things.

I think OB was looking at some very specific things, things that were different than what he's said in some places. I think he was looking for big guys with cannon arms who were pretty smart and dedicated to football.

I think that dropped guys like Bridgewater, Manziel, McCarron on OB's list and consequently on Smith's draft board.

I think Smith looked at the list and realized that he could get Savage in the 4th and set up his draft based on that. I also kinda think that they played up interest in guys like Bridgewater and Garropolo as a smoke screen to get people to draft them and push other guys down.

This is simply what I believe based on interpreting a whole bunch of things and I realize it may not have any correspondence to reality at all. But I haven't seen anything to refute it so it's my working hypothesis going forward.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
When I said that I think that Savage was the #2 QB on their board, I mean that I think that OB identified specific guys that he wanted to work with and develop... and there weren't a lot of them.

I think Bortles was at the top of the list and then I think Savage was #2. I think the list did include ALL the QBs in this draft but I think the order and draft grade on them were very, very different than the way the ESPN/NFLN guys were looking at things.

I think OB was looking at some very specific things, things that were different than what he's said in some places. I think he was looking for big guys with cannon arms who were pretty smart and dedicated to football.

I think that dropped guys like Bridgewater, Manziel, McCarron on OB's list and consequently on Smith's draft board.

I think Smith looked at the list and realized that he could get Savage in the 4th and set up his draft based on that. I also kinda think that they played up interest in guys like Bridgewater and Garropolo as a smoke screen to get people to draft them and push other guys down.

This is simply what I believe based on interpreting a whole bunch of things and I realize it may not have any correspondence to reality at all. But I haven't seen anything to refute it so it's my working hypothesis going forward.
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I think something similar. In the past I think they would have taken a more superficial approach. This is smart football...if that's what they were expecting (even if the qb doesn't work out). Nobody really knows outside those doors. Early in the draft as it was going down I was told that they liked Matthews late but that was obvious bs now, so stuff like this (propaganda) is just par for the course. In any case I feel good about this season going fwd. I haven't been this positive about the teams direction for a few years. It's nice.
 
Johnny Money?

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QB's sack numbers in 2013

Aaron Murray - 13 times
AJ McCarron - 17 times
Blake Bortles - 21 times
Tom Savage - 43 times
Derek Carr - 11 times
Johnny Manziel - 19 times
Teddy Bridgewater - 23 times
Jimmy Garoppolo - 19 times
Zach Mettenberger - 21 times
David Fales - 19 times


43 times. Absurd.

Savage stood in the pocket and took that shot every single time. Never going to see him dive into the fetal position. Really hope our improved offensive line can protect him.
 
Some of the stuff I watched on savage, he didn't look very good stepping up into the pocket IMO. Didn't slide very we within the pocket.

I don't know what to attribute all those sacks to, just giving my observation.

I'd like to see him operate a little more smoothly within the pocket.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
QB's sack numbers in 2013

Aaron Murray - 13 times
AJ McCarron - 17 times
Blake Bortles - 21 times
Tom Savage - 43 times
Derek Carr - 11 times
Johnny Manziel - 19 times
Teddy Bridgewater - 23 times
Jimmy Garoppolo - 19 times
Zach Mettenberger - 21 times
David Fales - 19 times


43 times. Absurd.

Savage stood in the pocket and took that shot every single time. Never going to see him dive into the fetal position. Really hope our improved offensive line can protect him.
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I agree..signed David Carr
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Listening to John Harris on HT.com sounds like he thinks Savage is projected to start ASAP.

ASAP being dependent on how well he learns the playbook.
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Strong-armed, developmental, rookie QBs have been successfully in similar situations. With a good defense, a power running game, playmakers at WR, quality pass catchers at TE, and intelligent offensive game plans, Savage could be the starting QB of a playoff team. If he is coachable, BoB can utilize his strengths without overwhelming him. If BoB can successfully install a screen game, this can be a good offense, even with inexperience at QB.

I am looking forward to seeing what happens!
 
dalemurphy said:
Strong-armed, developmental, rookie QBs have been successfully in similar situations. With a good defense, a power running game, playmakers at WR, quality pass catchers at TE, and intelligent offensive game plans, Savage could be the starting QB of a playoff team. If he is coachable, BoB can utilize his strengths without overwhelming him. If BoB can successfully install a screen game, this can be a good offense, even with inexperience at QB.

I am looking forward to seeing what happens!
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You forgot with perfect 78 degree weather, perfect woman to man ratio in the stadium, a message therapist on hand for Savage, a person standing in front of the sun so he wont have any glares in his eyes, the cast of the Avengers on the Texan's sideline cheering him on, and a partridge in a pear tree.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Some of the stuff I watched on savage, he didn't look very good stepping up into the pocket IMO. Didn't slide very we within the pocket.

I don't know what to attribute all those sacks to, just giving my observation.

I'd like to see him operate a little more smoothly within the pocket.
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What I saw was a horrible O-Line - probably the worst of every drafted QB. He regularly didn`t even have time to even set his feet. He was pretty good at avoiding pressure, but he also held onto the ball for too long at times. Add to the 43 sacks a high number of rushed throws and QB hits. He got killed in the pocket, and that`s a huge reason for his not eye popping numbers (and a high number of drops).

Savage probably was the best QB of this years bunch, if he`d play against no defense. That arm strength, that accuracy, that technique, these feet - all pretty good to elite. But those guys usually get killed in the NFL. What Savage has going for him is, that he doesn`t get rattled by pressure. He is tough as nails and willing to stand tall in the pocket, deliver a pass and then get hit hard.

He still needs to develope his inner clock and he needs to go through his reads faster and have more eye discipline. Can that be taught? Sure, but not every QB will be able to learn that. OB definetly thinks he can teach Savage that. If he can, we could have a winner.
 
revan said:
You forgot with perfect 78 degree weather, perfect woman to man ratio in the stadium, a message therapist on hand for Savage, a person standing in front of the sun so he wont have any glares in his eyes, the cast of the Avengers on the Texan's sideline cheering him on, and a partridge in a pear tree.
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I am not sure what the point of your sarcasm was... I am simply pointing out that the Texans have the ingredients in place to compete with a young QB still needing development. It is a good situation for Savage to be in. I have no idea whether he will take advantage of it or not... I don't even know if the Texans will even consider starting him ahead of Fitzpatrick. But, if he wins the job, I see reason to hope for a winning season without expecting Savage to be a miracle-worker.
 
LikeMike said:
What I saw was a horrible O-Line - probably the worst of every drafted QB. He regularly didn`t even have time to even set his feet. He was pretty good at avoiding pressure, but he also held onto the ball for too long at times. Add to the 43 sacks a high number of rushed throws and QB hits. He got killed in the pocket, and that`s a huge reason for his not eye popping numbers (and a high number of drops).

Savage probably was the best QB of this years bunch, if he`d play against no defense. That arm strength, that accuracy, that technique, these feet - all pretty good to elite. But those guys usually get killed in the NFL. What Savage has going for him is, that he doesn`t get rattled by pressure. He is tough as nails and willing to stand tall in the pocket, deliver a pass and then get hit hard.

He still needs to develope his inner clock and he needs to go through his reads faster and have more eye discipline. Can that be taught? Sure, but not every QB will be able to learn that. OB definetly thinks he can teach Savage that. If he can, we could have a winner.
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Pitt's OL was ranked 118 out of 123 Division I-A teams.
 
revan said:
You forgot with perfect 78 degree weather, perfect woman to man ratio in the stadium, a message therapist on hand for Savage, a person standing in front of the sun so he wont have any glares in his eyes, the cast of the Avengers on the Texan's sideline cheering him on, and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Does he have tyxtlexia?
 
dalemurphy said:
I am not sure what the point of your sarcasm was... I am simply pointing out that the Texans have the ingredients in place to compete with a young QB still needing development. It is a good situation for Savage to be in. I have no idea whether he will take advantage of it or not... I don't even know if the Texans will even consider starting him ahead of Fitzpatrick. But, if he wins the job, I see reason to hope for a winning season without expecting Savage to be a miracle-worker.
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Being sarcastic on the perfect scenarios it seems a Texans QB needs to be able to succeed.

DBCooper said:
Does he have tyxtlexia?
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Even better.
 
revan said:
Being sarcastic on the perfect scenarios it seems a Texans QB needs to be able to succeed.
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No... I'm referring to the scenario most rookie QBs need for their team to have a good chance at short term success. It should be celebrated that the Texans' offense appears to have so much in place.

It's silly to cry about the Texans not getting the next Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in the draft. Those elite QBs, who are NFL ready coming out of the draft, are once in a decade players. There was nobody like that in this draft... One or more of the QBs drafted in 2014 could become great NFL QBs, but if they do, a good deal of their success will come from development in the NFL... I believe guys like Peyton, Luck, Elway, Aikman are all guys that would be successful NFL starters regardless of what system, coach, etc... Most QBs that succeed in the NFL, require further development to be unlocked by NFL coaches in order to become good QBs. In those situations, talent evaluators are doing much more forecasting when grading them coming out of college. Brady, Montana, Rodgers, Brees, etc.. all could've had careers more like Alex Smith depending on circumstances beyond their control (coaches, systems).

All that is to say that the Texans did not miss out on drafting a great QB. Whether or not they chose the right QB to develop into a great one will be determined over the next few years. I believe the odds of Savage succeeding in the NFL is greater than that of Johnny Football, Blake Bortles, David Carr, etc., not because Savage is "better" but because the situation he is entering into is better.
 
MMQB 5/56 Tom Brady
There’s nothing that can wake me up at 5 o’clock in the morning on a Thursday in May like getting ready for a day of football. I want to play a long time. There’s nothing I like doing that’s close to football. What’ll I do when I’m done playing? I don’t know, but I know it won’t be nearly as fun...
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My favorite Brady line from our 40-minute chat, talking about longevity: “You know, you don’t have to suck when you get older.”

Said Brady: “It’s hard to explain this to people, but the commitment I make, in terms of keeping my body in shape and my nutrition right, should make me healthy. I feel better today than when I was 25, and I know that’s hard for people to believe, but I do. I work at it. Basically, I work all off-season to prepare my body to not get hurt. I can’t help the team if I’m on the sidelines. I’ve got to be durable.”

So he works with [Tom] House, the former baseball pitcher and maestro to many pro quarterbacks and major-league pitchers, and he is diligent about his eating and fitness. But beyond that, he’s not going to help you with specifics.

“It’s all very well-researched,” Brady said. “But that’s for the other guys to figure out. I’m not going to give away any state secrets. I’m not here to be king of the weight room. I do things to make me a better quarterback, whatever they are. Does it work? You be the one to judge. Watch me play. Then draw your own conclusions.”

Since returning at age 32 in 2009 from his one major NFL injury—the knee reconstruction after the injury suffered on opening day 2008—Brady has started all 89 Patriots game. So the durability is spotless, obviously. And the results? It’s pretty amazing to consider that, even with the 16-0, 50-touchdown-pass season of 2007 included in the pre-knee-surgery category, he’s been better in his 30s, and after the knee surgery, than he was in his 20s.
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And this reminder...
On self-scouting: “Sometimes we’ll be watching tape and [offensive coordinator] Josh McDaniels will say to me, ‘What happened on that play?’ And I’ll say, ‘I missed it. I just missed it.’ Throwing a football is a very, very tough to thing to do consistently well."
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So, he love, loves the game... is fastidious about his diet & workouts(JJ Watt, anyone?)... and at 36 he still works on the fundamentals. the basics, the details...

Tom Savage, you listening?
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Marcus said:
I don't know what you're really getting at. Is it you're contention that they would have drafted him higher if they considered him a number two, or that they didn't consider Bridgewater a number two?

What is the bottom line point you're trying to make?
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Since you missed it the first time (post 261), my contention is that if Bridgewater falls to #33 he gets taken by the Texans and Tom Savage goes to another team. The Texans simply don't have a history of trading UP in the Draft. If their guy falls, great, if not...
 
disaacks3 said:
Since you missed it the first time (post 261), my contention is that if Bridgewater falls to #33 he gets taken by the Texans and Tom Savage goes to another team. The Texans simply don't have a history of trading UP in the Draft. If their guy falls, great, if not...
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You mean like Nix? Or Harris? Or Tate?
 
revan said:
Being sarcastic on the perfect scenarios it seems a Texans QB needs to be able to succeed.



Even better.
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He is saying this is the perfect situation for a rookie QB to step into. We have a greatly improved OL IMO, D line, WRs and Foster. We have all the things needed to make him succesful is what he is saying.
 
disaacks3 said:
Since you missed it the first time (post 261), my contention is that if Bridgewater falls to #33 he gets taken by the Texans and Tom Savage goes to another team. The Texans simply don't have a history of trading UP in the Draft. If their guy falls, great, if not...
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They DO have a history of trading up. Which is why I think they WOULDN'T have taken Bridgewater at 33.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Ahh, 2011 the draft we reached for Brooks Reed, traded up for Harris, with JUSTIN FRIGGIN HOUSTON still available.
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As much as I agree with you: Brooks Reed was considered a good pick back then. He was described as Clay Matthews junior. And Harris was falling - people expected him to go higher than at what we got him. He was considered a good pick as well.

Hindsight is always easy...
 
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