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Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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thunderkyss said:
You've got some guys who are chomping at the bit to play. They're ultimate competitors & looking to capitalize on any opportunity to prove they should be in the game... playing with the first team... he best at their position.

Savage, instead of being ready to go, was looking to kick back & enjoy some rays through the first half & it showed.

That's the conversation I would be having with Tom Savage. I gave him an opportunity to impress me & he failed. Don't let it happen again.
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Geez, you are tough on 4th round QBs... he came in and BoB ran the ball - and then ran it some more. He didn't have many opportunities. He ended up with 5 throws, completing 4 of them. Yeah those were short throws and yeah, he didn't look good or comfortable out there - but that's why he was a 4th round pick. Everybody knew he would need some time.

Of Keenums 6 completions (12 throws) I count 3 screens off the top of my head - KMart just did a lot with them after the catch.

Clearly Keenum is and should be ahead of Savage, but that was expected and is totally fine. Neither had a very good game and both need some time in Bobs system.
 
LikeMike said:
Of Keenums 6 completions (12 throws) I count 3 screens off the top of my head - KMart just did a lot with them after the catch.
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The plays to Martin were considered runs and do not count towards Keenum's stats. Really don't like that play, as a miscue would become a fumble rather than an incompletion.

All the talk of Savage possibly starting this year, or even backing up, was wishful thinking. He is raw. Savage had fewer starts in college than Bortles, Bridewater, and Manziel. All underclassmen. And he's 2-3 years older. Just seems like an odd choice for a project QB. I'd like to see something from him that would indicate he's worth the effort. I'm sure he will get at least a half in the final preseason game. But right now, Savage doesn't look like he's worth a roster spot. Maybe he gets a hangnail in that game and gets a redshirt year?
 
speedfreek said:
I think that BoB looked at the reaction of the fans from the last game,
and decided that winning this one was more important than the
average preseason game.
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I don't think anything O'Brien does is based upon fan reaction.
 
(on QB Tom Savage not throwing a lot in this game and if that was part of the plan with him coming into the game) “We go into the game with a plan. He didn’t know that he was going to go into the game at that point and I wanted to see how he would handle that. Those are hard things, when you’re a rookie and you go in there and it’s a home crowd, It doesn’t matter that it’s preseason or not, to be thrown in there like that.

I thought he did for the most part a decent job of just managing that part of it, being able to communicate the play, point out the protection blocking or the run blocking. I thought he did a good job of that, but he’s got a long way to go, just like most rookie quarterbacks have a long to go.

In the preseason, for any rookie quarterback, you’re not seeing anywhere near what you’re going to see if you’re going to play in the regular season. You’re not seeing anywhere near what you’re going to see from a defensive schematic standpoint, so he understands that. He’s got to get better at the basics of it and he’s a hard working kid, he comes in here early, he stays late. If he continues to work like that, he’ll get better and better.”
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...n-Sunday/2fa17837-9872-44c0-98a0-0a80052ac328
 
Playoffs said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...n-Sunday/2fa17837-9872-44c0-98a0-0a80052ac328
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Not Savage specific, but related.....

(on QB Ryan Fitzpatrick’s mobility when in trouble in the pocket) “I thought it was good. I thought those were good decisions. He was decisive about it. It was kind of like a parting of the Red Sea and it opened up and he took it. I think on both of those he gained over 10 yards and I thought that was good for our football team.”


(on the backup quarterback situation on the team) “I think that Case (Keenum) went in there last night and did a good job for the most part. Sometimes he’s got to learn to get rid of the ball a little bit quicker, things like that. I felt like he moved the team and that was good to see and then Tom (Savage) is still a little bit behind Case. Tom has just got to keep working at it but I think that both guys, they’re fun to coach now. They work hard, they’re smart, they ask good questions, they love to compete, so really at the end of the day that’s what you’re looking for and then you just want them to be able to go out there and execute the offense and help the team win, so they’re both trying to do that.”
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speedfreek said:
Tom is a "little bit" behind Case?

Ok..
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A "llittle bit"?? Yeh........all I need to do now, I guess, is picture Savage instead of Keenum going in there first if Fitzpatrick gets injured or gives performances reminiscent of Pearl Harbor :shots:.........a "litttle bit" can evidently go a long way:chef::ok:.........
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A "llittle bit"?? Yeh........all I need to do now, I guess, is picture Savage instead of Keenum going in there first if Fitzpatrick gets injured or gives performances reminiscent of Pearl Harbor :shots:.........a "litttle bit" can evidently go a long way:chef::ok:.........
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The jury is still out on Tom. But, I have yet to see the guy move
the team at all. 8 yards passing last week doesn't give me confidence.

If Fitz goes down, and Tom goes in, that is an instant 'L' in my opinion.

Sounds like he is trying to justify carrying only 2 QB's on the roster, and
that would be foolish.

That o-line is going to get someone hurt this season.. (they were clueless
when AZ put the heat on). I didn't see nearly as much attacking when
ATL played us.

I guess if they release Case they can try to get Mallet if/when he is
released.

But after 3 full years in the scheme Ryan didn't look much better than
Fitz/Case did after only a few weeks.
 
speedfreek said:
The jury is still out on Tom. But, I have yet to see the guy move
the team at all. 8 yards passing last week doesn't give me confidence.
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It was interesting how Fitzpatrick came in behind the same team in a 2 minute situation & drove the field for a TD.
 
thunderkyss said:
It was interesting how Fitzpatrick came in behind the same team in a 2 minute situation & drove the field for a TD.
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That is interesting. For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy. Savage was pretty much just asked to hand the ball off and throw dinks to RBs.
On the other hand, Fitzgerald was given pretty much the whole playbook - such as our playbook is in preseason.
Keenum was given a wider variety of plays than Savage was too.

That choice of plays for each QB, more than his coach-speak, tells me where O'Brien really thinks each guy is on the learning curve.
 
ObsiWan said:
That is interesting. For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy. Savage was pretty much just asked to hand the ball off and throw dinks to RBs.
On the other hand, Fitzgerald was given pretty much the whole playbook - such as our playbook is in preseason.
Keenum was given a wider variety of plays than Savage was too.

That choice of plays for each QB, more than his coach-speak, tells me where O'Brien really thinks each guy is on the learning curve.
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well, you got two guys who are vets and one pure rookie...so that's about normal to me.
 
ObsiWan said:
That is interesting. For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy. Savage was pretty much just asked to hand the ball off and throw dinks to RBs.
On the other hand, Fitzgerald was given pretty much the whole playbook - such as our playbook is in preseason.
Keenum was given a wider variety of plays than Savage was too.

That choice of plays for each QB, more than his coach-speak, tells me where O'Brien really thinks each guy is on the learning curve.
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When I saw Keenum play, it reminded me of what they love to run in New England, the screen to the wide receiver. He threw three of them, something I didn't see when Fitzpatrick was in the game.
 
Vinny said:
well, you got two guys who are vets and one pure rookie...so that's about normal to me.
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Oh I agree. And for the record, I'm not saying that isn't about where they, respectively, ought to be; because I think it is.

It was O'Brien's "...well, Tom is a 'little bit' behind Case line that I was really picking at.
 
ObsiWan said:
Oh I agree. And for the record, I'm not saying that isn't about where they, respectively, ought to be; because I think it is.

It was O'Brien's "...well, Tom is a 'little bit' behind Case line that I was really picking at.
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At this point I think BOB is trolling everyone with these comments. Keeps the media guessing and the fans get caught in the fire along with them
 
ObsiWan said:
That is interesting. For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy. Savage was pretty much just asked to hand the ball off and throw dinks to RBs.
On the other hand, Fitzgerald was given pretty much the whole playbook - such as our playbook is in preseason.
Keenum was given a wider variety of plays than Savage was too.

That choice of plays for each QB, more than his coach-speak, tells me where O'Brien really thinks each guy is on the learning curve.
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Can we really blame the play calling? O'Brien could be calling the same plays and Savage is just settling for the RB dinks.. 4/5 for 8 yards can't just be the play calling.
 
ObsiWan said:
Soooo if this really is O'Brien's future franchise guy...
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More like developmental QB prospect, imo.

ObsiWan said:
....or do we go ahead and spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB next draft?
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Possibly. There's a lot of variables to play out between now and 2015 draft.

ObsiWan said:
For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy...
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Which you see with all the rookies. JG, DC, JM, BB in their first action had "college" play calls to ease them into it -- bubble screens, sprint rights, etc. TB got a bigger piece of the playbook, and they all got more the next time out. (JM tonight). SOP.

It won't get interesting until the real games began and defenses game plan for offenses each week. Totally different cuppa tea.
 
ObsiWan said:
That is interesting. For me the most interesting part was the suite of plays that O'Brien called for each guy. Savage was pretty much just asked to hand the ball off and throw dinks to RBs.
On the other hand, Fitzgerald was given pretty much the whole playbook - such as our playbook is in preseason.
Keenum was given a wider variety of plays than Savage was too.

That choice of plays for each QB, more than his coach-speak, tells me where O'Brien really thinks each guy is on the learning curve.
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OB said in his press conference that Savage had no idea that he was going in at that point. OB wanted to see how he handled the huddle and got the protections called, etc. Kept the playcalling very vanilla for him.

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Vinny said:
well, you got two guys who are vets and one pure rookie...so that's about normal to me.
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Me too. Fitz is an old timer and Case is a veteran now. I could accept the argument that he was "kind of a rookie" last year, at least in some respects but this year he better be moving the team down the field. Savage I expect nothing out of but deep down I have that irrational hope-based-on-nothing that he's really some kind of second-coming who only OB identified.

I know. I'm embarrassed to admit it. It's the bad side of being a fan.
 
santo said:
When I saw Keenum play, it reminded me of what they love to run in New England, the screen to the wide receiver. He threw three of them, something I didn't see when Fitzpatrick was in the game.
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I was cursing Kubiak because the last play of the first drive (3rd & 10) was a screen to the WR.
 
2015 draft based on known info you have Fitz with a 2015 contract year, Keenum a FA and a project QB we know little about. IMO a QB will be drafted.
 
JCTexan said:
Can we really blame the play calling? O'Brien could be calling the same plays and Savage is just settling for the RB dinks.. 4/5 for 8 yards can't just be the play calling.
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I'll need to re-watch the game to see if he's going through his progressions or is on auto-dink.

first series....
1-10-HOU12 (14:47) J.Grimes left end to HOU 13 for 1 yard (J.Wilson; P.Soliai). PENALTY on ATL-T.Jackson, Illegal Use of Hands, 4 yards, enforced at HOU 13.
1-10-HOU17(14:19) J.Grimes right guard to HOU 22 for 5 yards.
2-5-HOU22 (13:40) J.Grimes right guard to HOU 24 for 2 yards (J.Bartu).
3-3-HOU24 (13:02) (Shotgun) T.Savage pass incomplete short right to U.Nwachukwu. PENALTY on ATL-D.Trufant, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 24 - No Play.
1-10-HOU29 (12:56) J.Grimes left end to ATL 49 for 22 yards (D.Lowery).
1-10-ATL49 (12:11) T.Savage pass incomplete short left to A.Blue. PENALTY on HOU-D.Newton, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at ATL 49 - No Play.
1-20-HOU41 (12:03) A.Blue left tackle to HOU 44 for 3 yards (P.Worrilow, M.Goodman).
2-17-HOU44 (11:25) (Shotgun) T.Savage pass short left to K.Martin to HOU 48 for 4 yards (P.Worrilow).
3-13-HOU48 (10:48) (Shotgun) T.Savage pass short left to A.Blue to HOU 44 for -4 yards (P.Worrilow).
4-17-HOU44 (10:10) S.Lechler punts 56 yards to end zone, Center-J.Weeks, Touchback.
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second series...
1-10-HOU20 (7:51) (Shotgun) A.Blue left tackle to HOU 21 for 1 yard (T.Robertson, J.Bartu).
2-9-HOU21 (7:16) (Shotgun) T.Savage pass short right to K.Martin to HOU 25 for 4 yards (W.Moore).
3-5-HOU25 (6:38) (Shotgun) T.Savage pass incomplete short left to A.Blue.
4-5-HOU25 (6:32) S.Lechler punts 57 yards to ATL 18, Center-J.Weeks. D.Hester pushed ob at ATL 24 for 6 yards (T.Opurum). PENALTY on HOU, Defensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at ATL 24.
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Personally, I'd feel better about the kid if he was being restrained by O'Brien's calls than if this dink/dunk thing is his current comfort level.

...he'll probably grow out of it and be bombs away before we know it.
:spin:
 
IMO, I don't think we have to worry about Keenum vs Savage as QB2. Savage should be PS material and Keenum should be QB2. Savage's body of work so far does not warrant QB2. For all the Mallett fuss, if he were to somehow end up on this squad then probably Keenum gets the pink slip and Mallett is QB2. Either way I would expect Savage to go to the PS. I would be shocked if he was signed to an active 53 man roster from our PS, not impossible but definitely a shocker.
 
playa465 said:
IMO, I don't think we have to worry about Keenum vs Savage as QB2. Savage should be PS material and Keenum should be QB2. Savage's body of work so far does not warrant QB2. For all the Mallett fuss, if he were to somehow end up on this squad then probably Keenum gets the pink slip and Mallett is QB2. Either way I would expect Savage to go to the PS. I would be shocked if he was signed to an active 53 man roster from our PS, not impossible but definitely a shocker.
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Savage is not going to the PS, he is a 4th round draft pick. He would NEVER clear waivers
 
playa465 said:
IMO, I don't think we have to worry about Keenum vs Savage as QB2. Savage should be PS material and Keenum should be QB2. Savage's body of work so far does not warrant QB2. For all the Mallett fuss, if he were to somehow end up on this squad then probably Keenum gets the pink slip and Mallett is QB2. Either way I would expect Savage to go to the PS. I would be shocked if he was signed to an active 53 man roster from our PS, not impossible but definitely a shocker.
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Dear Lord, then would could have a true QB controversy in the truest sense of the "if you have 2 QB's you don't have 1" sense of the word.

Ain't no way Savage makes it past waivers. Well, maybe he would after Sat. nite's performance.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm curious; who do you think would nab him??
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Any team without a legit #1 QB who would laugh while doing it because they would basically get a free 4th round pick.

I also wouldn't look past a team like the Seahawks, Patriots, Cardinals, Steelers
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm curious; who do you think would nab him??
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DX-TEX said:
Any team without a legit #1 QB who would laugh while doing it because they would basically get a free 4th round pick.

I also wouldn't look past a team like the Seahawks, Patriots, Cardinals, Steelers
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I agree with DX. Iirc, teams don't have to keep a player on the active roster off the waiver wire like they do for taking a player off of another teams PS. Lot's of teams with mediocre starting QB's and less than mediocre backups. I could see a number of teams willing to claim Savage just to see how he fits their system.
 
DocBar said:
I agree with DX. Iirc, teams don't have to keep a player on the active roster off the waiver wire like they do for taking a player off of another teams PS. Lot's of teams with mediocre starting QB's and less than mediocre backups. I could see a number of teams willing to claim Savage just to see how he fits their system.
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But wouldn't they have to get him through waivers to put him on their practice squad?
If that's how it works, what keeps us from taking him back?
 
ObsiWan said:
But wouldn't they have to get him through waivers to put him on their practice squad?
If that's how it works, what keeps us from taking him back?
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hahahaha...we have the 1st pick......:fans:

I could actually see Rick Smith doing that. :overreact:

But he still wouldn't be on the PS. It's like a perpetual motion machine.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm curious; who do you think would nab him??
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Teams with vets that they can have him sit and develop or teams that don't really have a qb and could use more darts to throw and see what sticks.

There are a few teams that fit those descriptions. Even teams that might already have their young qb of the future may think he's worth the investment.

So pretty much every team in the league might be game
 
playa465 said:
IMO, I don't think we have to worry about Keenum vs Savage as QB2. Savage should be PS material and Keenum should be QB2. Savage's body of work so far does not warrant QB2. For all the Mallett fuss, if he were to somehow end up on this squad then probably Keenum gets the pink slip and Mallett is QB2. Either way I would expect Savage to go to the PS. I would be shocked if he was signed to an active 53 man roster from our PS, not impossible but definitely a shocker.
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I believe you and I are almost alone in this assessment.
 
ObsiWan said:
But wouldn't they have to get him through waivers to put him on their practice squad?
If that's how it works, what keeps us from taking him back?
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Once you claim him he is yours to do with. On the practice squad any team can sign him but he has to be on the active roster for 3 weeks.

Clearing waivers means all other 31 teams have to pass on him
 
DocBar said:
I'll agree that Keenum might not be QB2, but Savage will not see the Texans PS. I'll bet ya a paycheck on that.
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I won't disagree; it won't happen. But if a QB comes available that OB likes, I, personally, would not move Keenum. I'd waive Savage and if he cleared, place him on the PS.

Anyone you bring in that late won't be capable of effectively running OB's offense until mid-season, if that soon. Remember, he won't be getting many snaps in practice. Fitz will be getting the snaps in preparation for the next game. If Fitz goes down, you can expect the season will be tanked.

I can't see OB, or Rick Smith, jeopardizing the season by releasing Keenum at this stage of the pre-season.
 
DX-TEX said:
Once you claim him he is yours to do with. On the practice squad any team can sign him but he has to be on the active roster for 3 weeks.

Clearing waivers means all other 31 teams have to pass on him
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Soooo they can claim Savage off waivers and put him on their practice squad? ...and he doesn't have to clear waivers again for that to happen??

I actually used to know this but have slept since then
:ahhaha:
 
ObsiWan said:
Soooo they can claim Savage off waivers and put him on their practice squad? ...and he doesn't have to clear waivers again for that to happen??

I actually used to know this but have slept since then
:ahhaha:
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No. If they claim he has to go on the active roster only (no PS) for 3 weeks minimum. I think then they could move him to the PS but he would have to clear waivers again.
 
DX-TEX said:
Once you claim him he is yours to do with. On the practice squad any team can sign him but he has to be on the active roster for 3 weeks.

Clearing waivers means all other 31 teams have to pass on him
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That's my understanding of the situation. Once a player clears waivers he can be put on the PS but is subject to being raided.
 
Number19 said:
I heard this in the media about a week and a half ago. On the other hand, Keenum is being force fed the playbook. Keenum was quoted as saying he was being pushed to his limit to learn OB's offense.
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That quote was back in OTA's, wasn't it? If not, it was early in TC. Regardless, 3 weeks into TC, a good veteran QB should have a decent handle on the playbook, and Keenum doesn't appear to have that. Imho. his roster spot is very much in jeopardy. The timing of cuts will play a large role in that, though. If Keenum makes the 76 man roster, he has a solid shot at making the 53 man roster.
 
DocBar said:
That quote was back in OTA's, wasn't it? ...
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August 6th.

Case's grasp of the offense is becoming apparent in his second series last week when he took the team downfied, several times hitting passes on 3rd and long to keep the drive going. Even the interception was a perfectly thrown pass that the safety made an excellent play on. He still has a way to go, but the improvement is there.

The first cut is the 26th, Tuesday week.
 
Number19 said:
August 6th.

Case's grasp of the offense is becoming apparent in his second series last week when he took the team downfied, several times hitting passes on 3rd and long to keep the drive going. Even the interception was a perfectly thrown pass that the safety made an excellent play on. He still has a way to go, but the improvement is there.

The first cut is the 26th, Tuesday week.
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Mmmmmkkkk....
 
leebigeztx said:
Texans qb situation is garbage.
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I remember last season you had said that Keenum can't make all the throws. Can you elaborate on that with some examples? What is his limitation? And has he improved this year in that regard? Also, are you seeing things on the All 22 that most of us aren't picking up on?

Thanks.
 
Case looked a lot better Saturday than JFF looks tonight..

Goes to show that you need more than one camp to truly
coach up a QB in a new system.

Puts better perspective on what Fitz, Case & Tom are going through..
 
speedfreek said:
Case looked a lot better Saturday than JFF looks tonight..

Goes to show that you need more than one camp to truly
coach up a QB in a new system.

Puts better perspective on what Fitz, Case & Tom are going through..
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Very true. JFF looked awful last night.

After rewatching the Texans a few times, Keenum looked better than I initially thought, but still well behind Fitz, imho.
 
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