Penn State Child Molestation Case

[The1ApplePie]

I wonder who plays Joe Pa when Law and Order "rips this from the headlines."

With the twist that he originally raped the Sundusky character of course

 

[Hardcore Texan]

Legality. Ha. We all break laws moron. Nobody is calling for my head for speeding to get home earlier. Some words on a piece of paper somewhere is what you and Pappy Slappy can hide behind. The MONSTER he tried to hide will ALWAYS be visible.

You hear something? What is it. Oh, it's a guy raping a kid. What on the face of the planet would stop you from a) kicking the **** outta that guy b) calling the police and my goodness c) disassociate with the monster who raped children in YOUR house?

Legally Joe Paterno might be in the clear. Morally he's got a thousand pound weight strapped to his back. Socially, he's ****ed.

The bolded!

How do you not intervene and put an immediate stop to something like that. And if you are too much of a wuss to protect the child then call the damn cops. It's pretty simple!

Same thing applies if you are out shopping and see someone strike a kid. Don't know about you, but I am stepping in. I'll let the cops sort out who goes to jail, but not on my watch buddy. No. Excuse. Period.

And if I get my ass whooped then so be it, at least it's not the kid getting abused!

 

[JCTexan]

The statement just given by Joe makes me sad, God bless him he gave his heart and soul for that school but the director should go to hell and burn. Joe did not follow the morals of the majority so he is now evil. Look at those who showed up at his home last night to support him good for them.

He is old and I have personally seen where older folks in the work place just there doing their thing in the background without knowing what is going on from within. I would not doubt that at all in this case. Joe has been leagally cleared here and yet people just want to rag on him I almost want to send him a letter of support myself. What we have here is the public becoming morally tied to the victims and not looking at this story as an outsider.

Seriously? The AD should burn in hell but you give Paterno your support when he was the one who notified the athletic director of what was happening?

 

[Runner]

A graduate assistant testifies to a Grand Jury that he heard "rythmic slapping noises" in the shower and saw Sandusky with a 10 year old kid up against the wall in a manner that cops frisk perps and he was being raped. He immediately called his Father and THEY BOTH went to Paterno's house for a meeting. If you are to believe Paterno I'm not sure you are using logic. Let's say he just stopped their story short and told them "I don't want to hear the details, but I'll pass on your allegation to my boss". Logic states that Paterno is a man of deep integrity and is a cultural institution in a powerful University. Why would Paterno do this? He wouldn't. Paterno would ask a few questions if they beat around the bush. If they told him that there was a 10 year old kid in the shower with his Coach, you don't think that he'd want to know everything that happened? Paterno didn't get to be a great head coach by skipping over the main details of any problem to be solved.

It's a massive, gigantic leap of logic to think Paterno didn't know based on the testimony to a grand jury by all the parties. Paterno's ability to hide behind a loophole in a poorly written law that helps large corporations and institutions is another sad, sad issue in itself. I mean why is the law crafted so that anyone in any institution can just say, "I told my boss" and that exonerates him from his duty to protect ten year old children? What kind of crap law is this? All it does is help people pass the buck. I don't remember what the law is called but it needs to be renamed the "pass the buck" law. Its friggin' disturbing that so many stupid people write our laws and "protect" our children with yet more servings of corporate helper.

Last point, I think it is a stretch to believe that a man of deep integrity, a leader of Men, a man who has built a life on hard work and fairness would not wonder why nobody called the police after he reported this to his "boss". If you stretch your logic enough you can believe that Joe Paterno wasn't told the entire truth in that meeting at his house so many years ago.

If you haven't read this, you don't know anything. Not directing that at you herv...just to those who haven't read the Grand Jury's findings. Keep in mind, that was 11 months ago and Sandusky was on JoePa's campus as short a period as two weeks ago.

All right. I've been wavering on the idea that Paterno could have been kept in the dark. This convinces me he had to know unless he deliberately avoided knowing. The in-person visit by witness and father was something I wasn't aware of. I've been reading summaries and didn't see that detail.

The more data I see, the more confounded I am that this could happen. It's pathetic.

 

[Double Barrel]

Like I said above, Paterno either knew or he did his damn dead level best to avoid knowing. Either way, it's willful negligence and he enabled Sandusky. As you noted, the grand jury presentment was almost a year ago, yet Sandusky was still hanging around.

According to the report posted by Vinny:

"Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and report to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

That's about as black and white as it gets.

Paterno, like the graduate assistant and his father, along with all the others involved, are freakin' pieces of ****.

And for any ***** that claims that I am posting out of emotion, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I AM!! This story angers me at such a basic, fundamental level that I'd volunteer to be on a firing squad to exterminate this wretched filth from humanity. Every damn single one of them.

 

[HealingBullets]

I have been reading about this and listening to various media opinions.

It just comes down to the facts: they knew what was going on in 1998 - when he "retired".

This is the true bottom line in this deal...Sandusky was a known molester back in 1998 .....He was "retired" by Penn State because of these issues...The claim that this came out of left field in 2002 when Sandusky continues to molest kids is absolute hogwash. The truth is that what happened in 2002 is obviously a continuation of the cover up that began years earlier.

 

[PsychoLove]

The NCAA should official change the schools name to "State Penn".

 

[toronto]

I don't care about the Seniors getting screwed out of senior day. This game on Saturday, especially with Paterno likely still there, needs to be cancelled.

Otherwise you will have 106,000 gathered for a support Joe Paterno pep rally, and the kids that went through this hell will go through it all over again.

Paterno resigns or is fired today, different story maybe.

But there is NOT a single person at PSU standing up to the football program right now. Paterno if frigging calling the shots, even around all of this mayhem. Its like he's basically the defacto university president and no one there has the power or balls to get him the hell out of there.

Someone, ANYONE with power, hell get the frigging NCAA President or Big Ten President (has he uttered a word either????) involved and stop this before we're all subjected to one of the worst displays you will ever see on TV in our lifetime.

If this goes through, I will never support NCAA athletics again. Not a single ****ing dime.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

According to the report posted by Vinny:

"Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and report to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

That's about as black and white as it gets.

Paterno, like the graduate assistant and his father, along with all the others involved, are freakin' pieces of ****.

And for any ***** that claims that I am posting out of emotion, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I AM!! This story angers me at such a basic, fundamental level that I'd volunteer to be on a firing squad to exterminate this wretched filth from humanity. Every damn single one of them.

I think it's just a paternal instinct to want to protect kids .

 

[NitroGSXR]

The scary part is what was Sandusky's leverage to come and go after all that ?

Bingo. A world of depravity is tucked within the Nittany Lions. Sandusky's testimony in exchange for a reduced sentence?

When I say reduced, I mean 5 oz less gasoline.

 

[Hervoyel]

All right. I've been wavering on the idea that Paterno could have been kept in the dark. This convinces me he had to know unless he deliberately avoided knowing. The in-person visit by witness and father was something I wasn't aware of. I've been reading summaries and didn't see that detail.

The more data I see, the more confounded I am that this could happen. It's pathetic.

Likewise. I finally read this thing and it wasn't easy. I am convinced as well.

Immensely disturbing stuff going on here. It looks more like a cabal of powerful people doing everything they can to keep the university looking good. The story around Paterno rings more of people providing a "legend" with plausible deniability than anything else (and doing a poor job of it at that).

I'm firmly in the "Knew or didn't know intentionally" camp.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

This is the true bottom line in this deal...Sandusky was a known molester back in 1998 .....He was "retired" by Penn State because of these issues...The claim that this came out of left field in 2002 when Sandusky continues to molest kids is absolute hogwash. The truth is that what happened in 2002 is obviously a continuation of the cover up that began years earlier.

It would seem so. I mean Sandusky was in his mid 50s and while not "young" by coaching circles, he was not yet old. I mean with his reputation as a coach, no other major program would come and try to money whip him out of "retirement." My guess is that his troubles were not only known by Penn State, but within the college coaching community. (I am just speculating of course)

 

[Double Barrel]

Likewise. I finally read this thing and it wasn't easy. I am convinced as well.

Immensely disturbing stuff going on here. It looks more like a cabal of powerful people doing everything they can to keep the university looking good. The story around Paterno rings more of people providing a "legend" with plausible deniability than anything else (and doing a poor job of it at that).

I'm firmly in the "Knew or didn't know intentionally" camp.

I have no doubt that he knew.

Paterno himself testified that he told Curley "that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Those are his words.

He might not have known specific details, but he damn sure knew that a young boy was being molested by Sandusky in the shower. His own testimony confirms his guilt.

In light of this, I cannot believe the school will trot that old bastard out there at a football game and hundreds of moronic students continue to pep rally for him. It's a sad, sad world.

 

[The1ApplePie]

I don't care about the Seniors getting screwed out of senior day. This game on Saturday, especially with Paterno likely still there, needs to be cancelled.

Otherwise you will have 106,000 gathered for a support Joe Paterno pep rally, and the kids that went through this hell will go through it all over again.

Paterno resigns or is fired today, different story maybe.

But there is NOT a single person at PSU standing up to the football program right now. Paterno if frigging calling the shots, even around all of this mayhem. Its like he's basically the defacto university president and no one there has the power or balls to get him the hell out of there.

Someone, ANYONE with power, hell get the frigging NCAA President or Big Ten President (has he uttered a word either????) involved and stop this before we're all subjected to one of the worst displays you will ever see on TV in our lifetime.

If this goes through, I will never support NCAA athletics again. Not a single ****ing dime.

The pep rally on Joe's lawn this morning was pretty ****ed up as it is.

 

[Vinny]

Paterno has just been fired after the Board of Trustees met in University Park. Tom Bradley now interim coach.

 

[Arsenal]

I hope everyone whining for his firing is happy. The football program will suffer for many years to come.
I read this in an article and at least the Board has been swift with the hammer.

 

[Runner]

Paterno has just been fired after the Board of Trustees met in University Park. Tom Bradley now interim coach.

Wow. That is a very fast fall for a man of such (former) stature. Or slow, if you look at it as twelve years too late.

 

[Vinny]

I hope everyone whining for his firing is happy. The football program will suffer for many years to come.
I read this in an article and at least the Board has been swift with the hammer.

dude, your low character rants aren't wanted here. Who gives a crap about brand protection and protecting the football program if they are hiding crimes against humanity?

 

[Texecutioner]

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened. It is sounding more and more like Joe Pa's criticisms here are warrented though, the more that I read about what he "had to have known" at certain points. Joe Pa could have had this guy fired no question. He had more power and seniority than anyone at that program.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.

 

[Runner]

dude, your low character rants aren't wanted here. Who gives a crap about brand protection and protecting the football program if they are hiding crimes against humanity?

Yep. Everyone is appalled by enablers and somebody here is just as bad.

"Fire a guy because he covered up child rape and thus allowed it to happen to other innocent children? What about the football?"

Sounds just like the thoughts the Penn State staff had. "We can't call the cops! What about the football?"

Low class is being generous.

 

[Vinny]

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.

can you give an example of one of us condoning pedophilia or rape? Name some names or this post is just irrational ranting.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm only going to make this one post in this thread. People talk all the time about doing the right thing. Lucky for us, we are rarely put in a situation where doing the right thing really matters.

I hope, & pray if any of us are in this type of situation we have the fortitude to act on our convictions & not merely pass the buck as is the more common response.

 

[Texecutioner]

Yep. Everyone is appalled by enablers and somebody here is just as bad.

"Fire a guy because he covered up child rape and thus allowed it to happen to other innocent children? What about the football?"

Sounds just like the thoughts the Penn State staff had. We can't call the cops! What about the football?

Low class is being generous.

I agree with what you're saying here. Joe Pa had the power to rid this guy of the program without losing his job like some of the others might have. He should have pushed until this guy was axed once he heard things that had happened and especially once it was the 2nd time.

What I can't understand is the flip flop though on folks who don't care or who haven't chastised the Jackson family and all of the other enablers that surrounded him for like 20 years. One celeb does a whole lot more and is still celebrated and all of a sudden this 84 year old coach who was just a co worker that seemed to have known is being slayed here. Shame on Joe either way though.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.

Problem is you are looking for more consistenty from different groups/posters.

I think you are lumping different groups together. Can you say the same people that "turned a blind eye" to MJ are now the same that are wanting to "burn joepa at the stake" as you put it. How on earth would you know it's the same folks and why would you expect consistency?


IMO, and I have read this entire thread, most people are not "burning joepa at the stake". I think most think he should be fired, and he should be! Maybe even serve some jailtime for not reporting an alleged crime involving sex abuse of a child, I believe someone stated that is a law in that state. That dipshit didn't call the cops, failure to report an alleged crime by so many folks. It's sickening all the way around.

Maybe you're not hearing so much about Sandusky because it's a slam dunk he should have the book thrown at him. It's not even debatable.

MJ, you won't hear me say anything good about him either. Nor Tyson, but at least he did serve SOME time in prison.

All child molesters should be extinguished. Period. There's consistency for ya.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

I agree with what you're saying here. Joe Pa had the power to rid this guy of the program without losing his job like some of the others might have. He should have pushed until this guy was axed once he heard things that had happened and especially once it was the 2nd time.

What I can't understand is the flip flop though on folks who don't care or who haven't chastised the Jackson family and all of the other enablers that surrounded him for like 20 years. One celeb does a whole lot more and is still celebrated and all of a sudden this 84 year old coach who was just a co worker that seemed to have known is being slayed here. Shame on Joe either way though.

Sandusky was retired. No job to lose man. Retired in 1998 after other previous allegations that happened before this event in 2002. At which point was finally told he could no longer bring children from his charity to campus. I mean only an eye witness gave JoePa his full account of catching this guy raping a kid, a guy with previous charges against him. Up until 2 weeks ago was still all around the university. This is bad all the way around, bigtime cover up by all.

 

[Htownsportsfan]

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened. It is sounding more and more like Joe Pa's criticisms here are warrented though, the more that I read about what he "had to have known" at certain points. Joe Pa could have had this guy fired no question. He had more power and seniority than anyone at that program.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but after reading the 23 page indictment Paternos story just doesnt make sense. The graduate assistant who saw the assault take place and went to see Paterno. I dont give a damn if he only used the word fondle when he tried to describe what he saw. Do you really think at that point Paterno would not be so shocked he would ask for every detail to try and prove it was a misunderstanding? If someone came to you and told you they saw someone you knew well for over 30 years touching a child let alone sodomising a ten year old boy you wouldn't demand more detail? If Paterno dint demand more information then he is beyond inept! The only thing Paterno did along with the Ad was tell Sandusky he wasnt allowed to bring young kids into the facility anymore. Joe Pa was a great football coach and man for many years but his inaction helped a child predator continue his assault on kids. That is inexcusable for anyone in any position!

 

[Texecutioner]

can you give an example of one of us condoning pedophilia or rape? Name some names or this post is just irrational ranting.

Not really wanting to get into a fight and call out posters randomly Vinny, but you can check some of those Michael Jackson threads when he died. I think you were gone, but they got pretty heated. My point was all of the exact same "turning a blind eye" methods and excuses that were given at a guy like Michael Jackson for so long and still are until this day by his fans who simply don't care or want to know about regardless of how obvious it was. That's the same exact thing that Joe Pa obviously did here and people hate him for it. I'm not arguing that people shouldn't be mad at Joe Pa.

 

[Htownsportsfan]

Sandusky was retired. No job to lose man.

He still had an office on campus and full access to the facility with only the limitation that he couldn't bring young guests to the facilities.

 

[Texecutioner]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but after reading the 23 page indictment Paternos story just doesnt make sense. The graduate assistant who saw the assault take place and went to see Paterno. I dont give a damn if he only used the word fondle when he tried to describe what he saw. Do you really think at that point Paterno would not be so shocked he would ask for every detail to try and prove it was a misunderstanding? If someone came to you and told you they saw someone you knew well for over 30 years touching a child let alone sodomising a ten year old boy you wouldn't demand more detail? If Paterno dint demand more information then he is beyond inept! The only thing Paterno did along with the Ad was tell Sandusky he wasnt allowed to bring young kids into the facility anymore. Joe Pa was a great football coach and man for many years but his inaction helped a child predator continue his assault on kids. That is inexcusable for anyone in any position!

I agree with you man. Sorry, if some of the things I said came from left field and I got on a rant about MJ, but I hear other pedophiles celebrated in our country currently and this comes out and people are enraged as they should be, but I just can't help but to get a little ticked at the fact that so many people pick and choose who to find things wrong with and or turn a blind eye on due to their talents or fan worship.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened. It is sounding more and more like Joe Pa's criticisms here are warrented though, the more that I read about what he "had to have known" at certain points. Joe Pa could have had this guy fired no question. He had more power and seniority than anyone at that program.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.

Apples to oranges. Plenty of people who have hate for those guys you have talked about.

It is the difference between a couple of individuals versus and entire university of higher learning (one that is consider the very best in the country if not the world). This is sports/college version of the Catholic church's cover up the same behaviors from its priest. that is the only true comparison.

Not that I am forgiving the individual criminals listed in your post.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

I agree with you man. Sorry, if some of the things I said came from left field and I got on a rant about MJ, but I hear other pedophiles celebrated in our country currently and this comes out and people are enraged as they should be, but I just can't help but to get a little ticked at the fact that so many people pick and choose who to find things wrong with and or turn a blind eye on due to their talents or fan worship.

Unless you are going to go back and single out people who defended MJ and are now condemning JoePa to prove your point about specific people "flip flopping" then please drop these references.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

He still had an office on campus and full access to the facility with only the limitation that he couldn't bring young guests to the facilities.

Did he or did he not retire in 1998 amid other previous allegations? I may be getting the specifics confused. How did he get the kid on campus in 2002 if he had that privelege taken away? Why did he commit these horrific acts in the football locker room shower?

 

[Htownsportsfan]

I agree with you man. Sorry, if some of the things I said came from left field and I got on a rant about MJ, but I hear other pedophiles celebrated in our country currently and this comes out and people are enraged as they should be, but I just can't help but to get a little ticked at the fact that so many people pick and choose who to find things wrong with and or turn a blind eye on due to their talents or fan worship.

Understood. But keep in mind MJ fans that that make those arguments and get all the attention are more the fringe exception than the rule. Joe Paterno for 50+ years was a man who helped mold many great men both on and off the field. However somehow someway he lapsed severely in judgement and that lapse allowed Sandusky to continue hurting kids. There are others just a culpable but as football fans we have all come to expect more from a man like Joe Pa. This isnt some recruiting violation or booster scam that we can argue the severity of this is far worse. I still am amazed that these men Paterno, McQueary and others not only failed to get authorities involved in 2002 but have failed to do so in the almost decade since.

 

[Htownsportsfan]

Did he or did he not retire in 1998 amid other previous allegations? How did he get the kid on campus in 2002 if he had that privelege taken away? Why did he commit these horrific acts in the football locker room shower?

I agree, I accidently quoted your post and didnt get it edited in time. My bad.

 

[TexanSam]

I hope everyone whining for his firing is happy. The football program will suffer for many years to come.
I read this in an article and at least the Board has been swift with the hammer.

Who gives a **** about their football program at this point? That should be the last thing on people's mind. I could care less if they shut down the program all right now.

 

[Texecutioner]

Unless you are going to go back and single out people who defended MJ and are now condemning JoePa to prove your point about specific people "flip flopping" then please drop these references.

I could name a few, but then I'm just picking a fight and trying to make people look bad. Not my intention here. I tried to stay away from this thread the last few days, but I can't escape the subject every time I turn on the tv, the radio, or come in here. The coverage is non stop.

I hear about Jackson every day though with this current trial going on with hundreds of his supporters crying and celebrating this man and could care less about what facts were existent. I don't hear anyone in here mentioning that and their disgust for how much a pedophile is worshiped every day where that trial has been going on. Bag on Joe Pa for turning a blind eye if you want, but don't turn right around and do the same with these other entertainers who have done much worse and have actually been perpetrators of crimes like this.

Understood. But keep in mind MJ fans that that make those arguments and get all the attention are more the fringe exception than the rule. Joe Paterno for 50+ years was a man who helped mold many great men both on and off the field. However somehow someway he lapsed severely in judgement and that lapse allowed Sandusky to continue hurting kids. There are others just a culpable but as football fans we have all come to expect more from a man like Joe Pa. This isnt some recruiting violation or booster scam that we can argue the severity of this is far worse. I still am amazed that these men Paterno, McQueary and others not only failed to get authorities involved in 2002 but have failed to do so in the almost decade since.

I wouldn't call them the fringe exception. I see more as a majority by far. I'm not arguing with your perspective though. I see exactly where you're coming from and understand your feelings here.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Understood. But keep in mind MJ fans that that make those arguments and get all the attention are more the fringe exception than the rule. Joe Paterno for 50+ years was a man who helped mold many great men both on and off the field. However somehow someway he lapsed severely in judgement and that lapse allowed Sandusky to continue hurting kids. There are others just a culpable but as football fans we have all come to expect more from a man like Joe Pa. This isnt some recruiting violation or booster scam that we can argue the severity of this is far worse. I still am amazed that these men Paterno, McQueary and others not only failed to get authorities involved in 2002 but have failed to do so in the almost decade since.

I think I posted something similiar earlier. One of the real issues here in this case, is that Paterno has been considered a 'BETTER" man than all but a few of us. Still at the end of day, the guy did the minimium and probably less than many, if not most of us would have done.

 

[Showtime100]

I hope everyone whining for his firing is happy. The football program will suffer for many years to come.
I read this in an article and at least the Board has been swift with the hammer.

This thread has been a terrible showing of what you think is important, but this post has left me with no doubt how............strange your sense of right and wrong are. You simply HAVE to be Cult Of Nittany Lion.

If possible, would you be one of those idiotic students protesting in the streets in Happy Valley right now ready to whip the first person you hear that thinks JoPA needed to go?

 

[srrono]

Did you guys hear in the press conference spokesman said there a lot more info to be learned.

 

[Rey]

I can't imagine being in that same situation. That'd be pretty f'n shocking.

I want to say I dont know what I would have done but I know myself and I'd have picked up a sturdy but swingable object and cracked Sandusky over the head mid act.

I don't know the graduate assistants or whatever but something had to have been going on for no one to take serious action. I just don't believe that many cowards were in the same building together. Not one person pressed the issue?

Something is fishy about that. I honestly would not be surprised if this guy Sandusky hasn't threatened a few lives. Seems like everyone passed the buck. There had to have been some kind of fear involved. Fear of public ridicule, fear of Sandusky, fear of believing it's actually true.

Either way though I can't picture myself turning a blind eye. Me and sandy would have had issues. But I can't say that I hate all those involved. I'm just not wired like that. I don't know the full details and I'm sure some stuff has not been shared. Most likely there are other pieces of **** involved but I just don't know who they are exactly.

This is pretty serious ****. Like I said, I would not be surprised if some folks were quieted out of fear.

I haven't read everything that has come out about this so I may be speaking out of ignorance. I just haven't been able to even put a lot of thought into this because it literally makes me sick.

Sandusky was/is s deeply disturbed individual. No telling what lengths he went to in order to keep this under wraps.

I just can't imagine that many adults doing absolutely nothing. Pretty sad stuff.

 

[eriadoc]

I hope everyone whining for his firing is happy. The football program will suffer for many years to come.
I read this in an article and at least the Board has been swift with the hammer.

I'm half happy. I'll be completely happy when he burns in hell. And who gives a flying **** about the football program when there are kids that have been raped? Let me guess, you'd be one of the ones covering this up with JoePa and Sandusky, right?

The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

Well first of all, there's not much disagreement re: Sandusky, and therefore not much to discuss. I think if a band of vigilantes impaled the bastard on a pitchfork in front of PSU, we'd all cheer, to some degree or another. Paterno, on the other hand, seems to be getting a pass from certain posters. Paterno was an educator at PSU for over 60 years. He knew damn well what should have happened and he chose to wash his hands of it and hide from it. Assuming JoePa is not in on it, that's worse in some ways. It's one thing to see a deranged sicko doing awful things to children. At least you know what you're dealing with. But when a sane, supposedly upstanding community figure, authority figure, educator, and mentor enables something like this, it's worse in some ways.

I wouldn't call them the fringe exception. I see more as a majority by far. I'm not arguing with your perspective though. I see exactly where you're coming from and understand your feelings here.

I think Arsenal might be one of the ones to whom you refer. Personally, I have referred to Michael Jackson as America's Favorite Pedophile because of the things you've noted. I think you're probably attributing that to the wrong people, though. I've also referred to Karl Malone as a pedo every time I've been given cause to mention his name.

 

[Texecutioner]

I'm half happy. I'll be completely happy when he burns in hell. And who gives a flying **** about the football program when there are kids that have been raped? Let me guess, you'd be one of the ones covering this up with JoePa and Sandusky, right?



Well first of all, there's not much disagreement re: Sandusky, and therefore not much to discuss. I think if a band of vigilantes impaled the bastard on a pitchfork in front of PSU, we'd all cheer, to some degree or another. Paterno, on the other hand, seems to be getting a pass from certain posters. Paterno was an educator at PSU for over 60 years. He knew damn well what should have happened and he chose to wash his hands of it and hide from it. Assuming JoePa is not in on it, that's worse in some ways. It's one thing to see a deranged sicko doing awful things to children. At least you know what you're dealing with. But when a sane, supposedly upstanding community figure, authority figure, educator, and mentor enables something like this, it's worse in some ways.



I think Arsenal might be one of the ones to whom you refer. Personally, I have referred to Michael Jackson as America's Favorite Pedophile because of the things you've noted. I think you're probably attributing that to the wrong people, though. I've also referred to Karl Malone as a pedo every time I've been given cause to mention his name.

Great point on Karl Malone. How he somehow escaped that landmine that should have ran him out of the NBA at the time is sort of mind boggling when you think about it now. I forgot all about it myself, because it rarely ever even gets mentioned about the guy.

 

[Rey]

I could name a few, but then I'm just picking a fight and trying to make people look bad. Not my intention here. I tried to stay away from this thread the last few days, but I can't escape the subject every time I turn on the tv, the radio, or come in here. The coverage is non stop.

I hear about Jackson every day though with this current trial going on with hundreds of his supporters crying and celebrating this man and could care less about what facts were existent. I don't hear anyone in here mentioning that and their disgust for how much a pedophile is worshiped every day where that trial has been going on. Bag on Joe Pa for turning a blind eye if you want, but don't turn right around and do the same with these other entertainers who have done much worse and have actually been perpetrators of crimes like this.




I wouldn't call them the fringe exception. I see more as a majority by far. I'm not arguing with your perspective though. I see exactly where you're coming from and understand your feelings here.

I think the case against Sandusky is much more sound than a case against wacko was.

Not defending Jackson, but these two things aren't exactly the same. You have a bunch of adults that have admitted first hand knowledge of what was going on.

 

[Texecutioner]

I think the case against Sandusky is much more sound than a case against wacko was.

Not defending Jackson, but these two things aren't exactly the same. You have a bunch of adults that have admitted first hand knowledge of what was going on.

There were adults that worked at the Neverland Ranch that talked about all sorts of disgusting things that were going on back then. There were testimonies from children who described his private parts that were proven true by photos, there were MJ's own testimony of many things he did that were inappropriate as well. The Neverland Ranch was nothing more than a compound to lure children when you consider that he was sending children's parents away for weeks at a time that he barely even knew or had been acquainted with. I keep hearing the term "blind eye" and not wanting to know when referred to Joe Pa, but for some strange reason I never heard these same criticisms being targeted at Jackson's family members, close friends, and culprits that enjoyed the money he paid them to just act like he was "weird."

 

[Vinny]

Let's not muck this thread up with Michael friggin' Jackson. Make a comparison thread over in the general forum if you think it's all that relevant. This is one of the biggest College scandals I'll ever witness in my lifetime. Let's talk about it and share information about College football in this College football forum. There has to be an Entertainment Tonight forum for your MJ trumps Paterno thoughts somewhere. (insert smiley of choice here)

 

[Vinny]

Sandusky had 6 adopted kids and had numerous foster kids over the years. I keep reading tweets that say there is some big announcement coming out soon. I think this gets worse.

Mr. Sandusky and his wife Dottie have six adopted children and had cared for foster children, which led them to start the nonprofit. Mr. Sandusky was inducted into the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame in 1999 and received awards for Second Mile including the 1993 NAACP Human Rights Award, the 1995 YMCA Service-To-Youth Award and the 1996 SGMA Heroes Award. President George Bush nationally recognized it as a philanthropic "Point Of Light" in November 1990.

"After we had taken in some foster children," Mrs. Sandusky told Sports Illustrated in 1982, "we saw the opportunities that some kids just hadn't had. But we'd gotten to the point where we couldn't take in any more, so Jerry started thinking about starting a group home."

It was also within the charity that Mr. Sandusky "found his victims," a grand jury presentment stated. "Through The Second Mile, Sandusky had access to hundreds of boys, many of whom were vulnerable due to their social situations."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1187908-454-0.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX#ixzz1dHPUHX00

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011...ed-in-to-a-mother-confronting-sandusky-twice/

 

[mattieuk]

A horrible horrible story.

I cannot say that I've seen all the evidence available - but if sure looks like there are a few guilty parties in this case for not reporting this to the highest possible law enforcement bodies when finding out about the abuse. With the amount of charges that are being leveled in this case - I can't imagine that the crimes were trail-less - and sadly that seems to include many members of the Penn State hierarchy.

The decisions to keep this 'in house' are the most damning part of the response to the crimes committed - and for men who are in a duty of care, they completely failed their roles. Despite being educators of young men, their training and experience should be able to cover a broad base of ages - and as part of their training would know protocol and proper procedure for cases like this.

It is a sickening affair - caused by one horrible man, and made worse by many more.

 

[mr. peebs]

this is absolutely insane. penn st had to fire joe pa, the president, and probably should get rid of anyone still in a position of power from the time of this incident.

also, there's this from sportsbybrooks tonight..

I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.

edit: penn state students rioting are absolutely retarded. complete disgust at that.

 

[srrono]

this is absolutely insane. penn st had to fire joe pa, the president, and probably should get rid of anyone still in a position of power from the time of this incident.

also, there's this from sportsbybrooks tonight..




edit: penn state students rioting are absolutely retarded. complete disgust at that.

I just cant imagine how much worse it could be. More victims that I already thought. Maybe another molester? Could Sandusky be HIV positive? Horrify the public is really scaring me. I dont know how much more I can hear.

 

[toronto]

I'm relieved to see that the Trustees did the right thing. Its the first correct decision they have made on this whole sordid mess.