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Penn State Child Molestation Case

Texecutioner said:
The thing that gets me about this case is that people are wanting to burn Joe Pa at the stake and the more I read into it, it does sound like he should have done more to get this coach out of there and anyone involved I'd say. Just skimming some of the pages in here, I"m finding out more and more and it's harder and harder to see the POV of some of the posters who want to defend Joe Pa. He wasn't the perpetrator though, and I can't believe that he is being WAY more talked about and burned here than the actual guy who did it.

What gets me the most is all of the inconsistencies on this subject though. Shoot, for the last few years I've been having to hear posters on this board, celebs, and other random folks all over the place praising the biggest child molester of all time in Michael Jackson who had a pedophile ranch, paid off his accusers, openly admitted to doing all types of things that were obvious as day, and yet so many people have turned a blind eye to all of that and just stated that he was "weird" or that his daddy messed him up and all types of pathetic spin efforts. Sorry, but this may be from left field, but I think half the people in this thread that are wanting Joe Pa burned at the stake are big time hypocrites, because I remember hearing a lot of people celebrating MJ when he passed and wanting to "look the other way" every time it was mentioned, and MJ was far bigger than this story if people really wanted to read about all of that stuff that went on. MIKE TYSON is another perfect example as well. Dude raped a woman and sexually assaulted Peter Welcsh's daughter when she was a minor and also beat the living crap out of Robyn Givens, yet Mike Tyson is hardly ever even mentioned amongst rapists and guys of this kind and his career and his legacy is constantly being headlined and covered as if these things never happened. It is sounding more and more like Joe Pa's criticisms here are warrented though, the more that I read about what he "had to have known" at certain points. Joe Pa could have had this guy fired no question. He had more power and seniority than anyone at that program.

Sorry, I know that this post is going to tick a few people off. It wasn't my intention, so I'll apologize for how it may have come off, but if rape and pedophilia is so wrong which it damn sure is, then folks need to be a lot more consistent when putting the clues together and turning a blind eye because of who they like or dislike as entertainers, coaches, and athletes.
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Agree - I tried to rep you, but got that thingy that I must spred rep.
 
srrono said:
I just cant imagine how much worse it could be. More victims that I already thought. Maybe another molester? Could Sandusky be HIV positive? Horrify the public is really scaring me. I dont know how much more I can hear.
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I can think of a few ways that it would be worse.

1) Sandusky was part of a group that took turns raping boys in a tag team fashion.

2) Sandusky murdered some of the rape victims or hired someone to do it.

3) Sandusky performed satanic human sacrifice rituals while murdering rape victims.

4) Sandusky cannibalized some of his murdered rape victims.

I'm sure there are others who can imagine some other shocking revelations.
 
If an older woman chasing after a younger guy is called a cougar, is an older man chasing after a young boy called a Nittany Lion? :panic:
 
I didn't have a chance to post last night.

I read the full grand jury report. 1st, I want to wash my brain and became nauseated, 2nd, it confirmed for me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Joe Pa knew WTF was going on and did not do enough, sorry Joe Pa supporters, he didn't and I scoff at you frankly. He even said "I didn't do enough"...case effing closed.

I was glad that he was fired last night and those students who protested showed just why college kids are morons for the most part and why I have no respect for most colleges.

Anyway, I'm on the fly just getting into work so I can't expand, but I am friggin pissed after reading that report.
 
HTown2ATX said:
I didn't have a chance to post last night.

I read the full grand jury report. 1st, I want to wash my brain and became nauseated, 2nd, it confirmed for me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Joe Pa knew WTF was going on and did not do enough, sorry Joe Pa supporters, he didn't and I scoff at you frankly. He even said "I didn't do enough"...case effing closed.

I was glad that he was fired last night and those students who protested showed just why college kids are morons for the most part and why I have no respect for most colleges.

Anyway, I'm on the fly just getting into work so I can't expand, but I am friggin pissed after reading that report.
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Right now Joe is hoping this is as bad as it gets but I don't think so . It's rumored all over that the second wave is about to hit . Sandusky had adopted 6 kids and had numerous foster children .

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1187908-454-0.stm?cmpid=psu.xml
 
This is the "cole's notes" version of what went down with Saundusky.

• Sandusky's victims all reported a wide array of sexual abuse allegations. Sandusky, who is married, met many of them through The Second Mile. Many spent the night at his home. He brought them to Philadelphia Eagles games, plus Penn State practices, tailgate parties, and home games. One of the victims traveled to the 1998 Outback Bowl and the 1999 Alamo Bowl as a member of Sandusky's family's party. That same victim often stayed with Sandusky at a State College-area hotel on the night before home games. He also frequently dined with the coaching staff and accompanied Sandusky to numerous charity outings. Sandusky had lavished this victim with a variety of gifts. According to the report, "Sandusky even guaranteed [this victim] he could be a walk-on player at Penn State. [The victim] was in a video about linebackers that featured Sandusky, and he appeared with him in a photo accompanying an article about Sandusky in Sports Illustrated." Sandusky later tried to bribe this victim with cigarettes and marijuana after this victim began refusing his advances.

• Also: "[This victim] remembers Sandusky being emotionally upset after having a meeting with Joe Paterno in which Paterno told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State and which preceded Sandusky's retirement. Sandusky told the victim not to tell anyone about the meeting. That meeting occurred in May 1999."

• Sandusky was investigated by university police in 1998 after a mother reported to them that her 11-year-old son had showered with Sandusky. A university police detective and a municipal police detective later eavesdropped on a conversation between the mother and Sandusky in which Sandusky answered "I don't know ... maybe" when the mother asked him if he had touched her son inappropriately. He also admitted he had showered with the boy to an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare. The university police detective advised Sandusky not to shower with a child again, and Sandusky promised he would not. No charges were filed.

• In March 2002, a graduate assistant stumbled upon Sandusky and a boy showering together at Penn State's football facility. The grand jury report included the horrifying details of what that graduate assistant saw and heard:

As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and the showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put his sneakers in his locker, he looked in the shower. He saw a naked boy ... whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both [the victim] and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.

• The graduate assistant informed Joe Paterno the next day, and Paterno told Curley the day after that. About a week and a half after that, the graduate assistant met with Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's Vice President for Finance and Business and the other school administrator to be charged with perjury and failure to report an allegation. The graduate assistant described what he saw as being of a "sexual nature." Paterno said the graduate assistant had told him Sandusky's actions were "disturbing" and "inappropriate." Curley acknowledged to the grand jury that he was told Sandusky's actions were "inappropriate" and that they had made the graduate assistant "uncomfortable"; however, Curley denied under oath that he was told Sandusky had done anything sexual. Schultz conceded under oath that the graduate assistant had told him of inappropriate sexual conduct. But he also testified that the allegations were "not that serious" and that he and Curley were unaware any crime had taken place.

• It is worth noting here what Paterno did upon hearing a first-hand story from a "very upset" graduate assistant, in the words of the report, about "Jerry Sandusky ... fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy": Paterno took no action except to tell his athletic director.

• Curley and Schultz did tell Penn State president Graham Spanier what they had heard, but Spanier told the grand jury that Curley and Schultz had described Sandusky's actions to him as mere "horsing around in the shower." Spanier also denied any knowledge of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky by university police. Spanier issued a statement Saturday saying Curley and Schultz had his "unconditional support."

• Schultz's duties included oversight of the university police. He testified that he was aware of the 1998 incident and acknowledged similarities between it and the 2002 allegations. But according to the grand jury report, Schultz "never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002. No one from the university did so. Schultz did not ask the graduate assistant for specifics. No one ever did. Schultz expressed surprise upon learning that the 1998 investigation by University Police produced a lengthy police report. Schultz said there was never any discussion between himself and Curley about turning the 2002 incident over to any police agency." The graduate assistant was also never questioned by police.

• Sandusky was told he could no longer bring children into Penn State's football facility in light of the 2002 incident, and the executive director of The Second Mile was made aware of that fact, in addition to the incident. Schultz testified that Spanier had approved this decision. Schultz also said he believed he and Curley had informed a "child protection agency" about the 2002 incident. Curley also admitted "the ban on bringing children to the campus was unenforceable," in the words of the report.

• Records show that the 2002 incident was never reported to the Department of Public Welfare, Children and Youth Services, or the university police, in violation of state law.

• The Patriot-News of Harrisburg reported Saturday that a source close to the investigation said Paterno would not be charged and that he would testify against Sandusky at trial.

• One of Sandusky's victims told the grand jury Sandusky had brought him to Penn State's preseason practices in 2007—a full five years after Paterno was made aware of sexual activity involving Sandusky and another boy.

Anyone that reads this cannot possibly question why Paterno was fired. If anything, I wish they would shut down the game this Saturday and stop the inevitable Paterno pep rally we will all have to watch on Saturday. (I won't that's for friggging sure)
 
toronto said:
This is the "cole's notes" version of what went down with Saundusky.

• Sandusky's victims all reported a wide array of sexual abuse allegations. Sandusky, who is married, met many of them through The Second Mile. Many spent the night at his home. He brought them to Philadelphia Eagles games, plus Penn State practices, tailgate parties, and home games. One of the victims traveled to the 1998 Outback Bowl and the 1999 Alamo Bowl as a member of Sandusky's family's party. That same victim often stayed with Sandusky at a State College-area hotel on the night before home games. He also frequently dined with the coaching staff and accompanied Sandusky to numerous charity outings. Sandusky had lavished this victim with a variety of gifts. According to the report, "Sandusky even guaranteed [this victim] he could be a walk-on player at Penn State. [The victim] was in a video about linebackers that featured Sandusky, and he appeared with him in a photo accompanying an article about Sandusky in Sports Illustrated." Sandusky later tried to bribe this victim with cigarettes and marijuana after this victim began refusing his advances.

• Also: "[This victim] remembers Sandusky being emotionally upset after having a meeting with Joe Paterno in which Paterno told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State and which preceded Sandusky's retirement. Sandusky told the victim not to tell anyone about the meeting. That meeting occurred in May 1999."

• Sandusky was investigated by university police in 1998 after a mother reported to them that her 11-year-old son had showered with Sandusky. A university police detective and a municipal police detective later eavesdropped on a conversation between the mother and Sandusky in which Sandusky answered "I don't know ... maybe" when the mother asked him if he had touched her son inappropriately. He also admitted he had showered with the boy to an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare. The university police detective advised Sandusky not to shower with a child again, and Sandusky promised he would not. No charges were filed.

• In March 2002, a graduate assistant stumbled upon Sandusky and a boy showering together at Penn State's football facility. The grand jury report included the horrifying details of what that graduate assistant saw and heard:

As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and the showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put his sneakers in his locker, he looked in the shower. He saw a naked boy ... whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both [the victim] and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.

• The graduate assistant informed Joe Paterno the next day, and Paterno told Curley the day after that. About a week and a half after that, the graduate assistant met with Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's Vice President for Finance and Business and the other school administrator to be charged with perjury and failure to report an allegation. The graduate assistant described what he saw as being of a "sexual nature." Paterno said the graduate assistant had told him Sandusky's actions were "disturbing" and "inappropriate." Curley acknowledged to the grand jury that he was told Sandusky's actions were "inappropriate" and that they had made the graduate assistant "uncomfortable"; however, Curley denied under oath that he was told Sandusky had done anything sexual. Schultz conceded under oath that the graduate assistant had told him of inappropriate sexual conduct. But he also testified that the allegations were "not that serious" and that he and Curley were unaware any crime had taken place.

• It is worth noting here what Paterno did upon hearing a first-hand story from a "very upset" graduate assistant, in the words of the report, about "Jerry Sandusky ... fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy": Paterno took no action except to tell his athletic director.

• Curley and Schultz did tell Penn State president Graham Spanier what they had heard, but Spanier told the grand jury that Curley and Schultz had described Sandusky's actions to him as mere "horsing around in the shower." Spanier also denied any knowledge of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky by university police. Spanier issued a statement Saturday saying Curley and Schultz had his "unconditional support."

• Schultz's duties included oversight of the university police. He testified that he was aware of the 1998 incident and acknowledged similarities between it and the 2002 allegations. But according to the grand jury report, Schultz "never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002. No one from the university did so. Schultz did not ask the graduate assistant for specifics. No one ever did. Schultz expressed surprise upon learning that the 1998 investigation by University Police produced a lengthy police report. Schultz said there was never any discussion between himself and Curley about turning the 2002 incident over to any police agency." The graduate assistant was also never questioned by police.

• Sandusky was told he could no longer bring children into Penn State's football facility in light of the 2002 incident, and the executive director of The Second Mile was made aware of that fact, in addition to the incident. Schultz testified that Spanier had approved this decision. Schultz also said he believed he and Curley had informed a "child protection agency" about the 2002 incident. Curley also admitted "the ban on bringing children to the campus was unenforceable," in the words of the report.

• Records show that the 2002 incident was never reported to the Department of Public Welfare, Children and Youth Services, or the university police, in violation of state law.

• The Patriot-News of Harrisburg reported Saturday that a source close to the investigation said Paterno would not be charged and that he would testify against Sandusky at trial.

• One of Sandusky's victims told the grand jury Sandusky had brought him to Penn State's preseason practices in 2007—a full five years after Paterno was made aware of sexual activity involving Sandusky and another boy.

Anyone that reads this cannot possibly question why Paterno was fired. If anything, I wish they would shut down the game this Saturday and stop the inevitable Paterno pep rally we will all have to watch on Saturday. (I won't that's for friggging sure)
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Provide the link (for the website and my personal use)
 
Vinny said:
Let's not muck this thread up with Michael friggin' Jackson. Make a comparison thread over in the general forum if you think it's all that relevant. This is one of the biggest College scandals I'll ever witness in my lifetime. Let's talk about it and share information about College football in this College football forum. There has to be an Entertainment Tonight forum for your MJ trumps Paterno thoughts somewhere. (insert smiley of choice here)
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Lest I misunderstand.

A poster can dredge up the pedophile Catholic priests scandal into this Penn State College Forum discussion

but

Texecutioner cannot dredge up Michael Jacksons pedophilia.

Is that correct?


:coffee:
 
JoePA is a freaking liar and an awful human being. Same goes for the 2 executives. An assistant tells you he saw a kid getting buttf#$@#ed in your football showers and you dont do everything in your power to make sure this guy never see's the light of day?

I dont buy all the "I was told it was inappropriate touching" garbage. You were told exactly what the assistant saw, and went into self preservation mode. Despicable.
 
eriadoc said:
I think that's just a summary of what's found in the grand jury presentment, which is linked in post #39 of this thread.
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I am going to use it in a classroom discussion and I have to give credit to the person who did the summarzing.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Lest I misunderstand.

A poster can dredge up the pedophile Catholic priests scandal into this Penn State College Forum discussion

but

Texecutioner cannot dredge up Michael Jacksons pedophilia.

Is that correct?


:coffee:
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I think the a Catholic priest examples were in the flow, where it looked like the MJ discussion were going to take over the thread. If the church discussion threatens to do the same, the same action will be taken.

It's all bad stuff; I'm not for defending any of it. We just don't want this thread derailed. No one is stopping a compare/contrast Jackson and Penn State thread from being started in the appropriate forum.

This is of course a judgement call; many threads get hijacked as discussions range over related topics. The judgement here is to focus on the Penn State scandal in this particular thread.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Lest I misunderstand.

A poster can dredge up the pedophile Catholic priests scandal into this Penn State College Forum discussion

but

Texecutioner cannot dredge up Michael Jacksons pedophilia.

Is that correct?


:coffee:
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Michael Jackson was never convicted of pedophilia. If a person looks
deeply into the Michael Jackson case, you will see that he was murdered
after 17 years of defamation an attempted siege on his wealth
(trumped up court cases) was not effective. Michael owned 50%
of the ENTIRE SONY PUBLISHING CATALOG. He acquired his wealth
BEFORE getting married (alimony) and BEFORE having children (child
support.)

Catholic Priests, Joe Paterno, and his coaches are PROVEN pedophiles.
Big difference. In 2002. Michael Jackson told the truth, and the
campaign for his life was stepped up after SONY realized they could
NEVER get his catalog from him which INCLUDED The Beatles. You
don't see Little Richard as an angry man anymore, because Michael
gave his publishing rights BACK TO HIM.

Here's Michael in 2002. Listen carefully.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6zVypo72E

This media routinely shapes the image of a friend into that of
an enemy. It causes evil people to appear as angels. I choose
to look carefully at those people the media vilifies to discover
"why." Always remember to think for yourself.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Lest I misunderstand.

A poster can dredge up the pedophile Catholic priests scandal into this Penn State College Forum discussion

but

Texecutioner cannot dredge up Michael Jacksons pedophilia.

Is that correct?


:coffee:
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Bring it up in another thread or I'll delete it going forward...haven't done anything of the sort yet, but I gave fair warning. An analogy and a few thoughts off center is ok, but don't derail this thread. It's gonna be long enough and tough enough to read after the fact without pages of michael jackson talk. If you can't deal with that, tough luck.
 
Vinny said:
Sandusky had 6 adopted kids and had numerous foster kids over the years. I keep reading tweets that say there is some big announcement coming out soon. I think this gets worse. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1187908-454-0.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX#ixzz1dHPUHX00

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011...ed-in-to-a-mother-confronting-sandusky-twice/
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Twitter is blowing up with reports that Sandusky pimped out young boys through Second Mile. They are saying Mark Madden is reporting that on WEEI. No link yet.
 
Joe Paterno is not a pedophile but he and his minions could have stopped the rape that was witnessed and who knows how many future assults. I was real fan of Paterno, but for all the great things he's done in his life for the betterment of kids he effed it all up. I don't know if he did it to protect his colleague or his friend, but he and his assistants didn't help stop the abuse which in my eyes enabled it to continue. He must have known that Sandusky was a predator and pedophile. I don't care if it's an older white male benevolant respected coach or talented eccentric black pop musician who morphed into an older white woman doing the molesting. I would bet my life that Paterno or any of MJ's fans here would never leave thier children or grandchildren in their care after hearing what they 'allegedly' did. To say I am dissapointed in Paterno is an understatement. He should feel shame for what he did and for what he didn't do.
 
I wish Penn State could get kicked out of the Big 10. I didn't believe this until I saw crowds of students rallying for Joe Paterno.

Disgraceful. Get out of my conference! Just disappear.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
7 months ago,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2805308/posts
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If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky? This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.
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It looks more and more like the entire University administration is complicit in enabling Sandusky rape, sodomize and perhaps prostitute countless young children.
 
The mural, "Inspiration," takes up most of a half-a block outside the student book store near the Penn State campus. Pilato, 43, has been working on it for more than a decade. It contains faces of notable figures in State College, including former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, who was charged last week in the sexual abuse of eight boys.

When the mother of one of Sandusky's alleged victims emailed him Wednesday morning, asking him to remove Sandusky from the mural, Pilato knew he had to do it.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_college_mural_artist_to.html
 
Vinny said:
Mark Madden drops a bombshell story about how Sandusky's foundation loaned out boys to wealthy donors.
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He also said that he thought that the whole 2nd mile thing was a scam just to get the boys to sandusky . It appears that sandusky was forced to retire because he was a child rapist and that he may have been black balled around the country .
 
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He also said that he thought that the whole 2nd mile thing was a scam just to get the boys to sandusky . It appears that sandusky was forced to retire because he was a child rapist and that he may have been black balled around the country .
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Blackballed around the country?!?! So how in the **** does he get away with it for another 13 ****ing raping years?!?! DOUSE 'EM ALL WITH GASOLINE! Each and every enabler. I don't get the whole pimping out thing. It's not like Sandusky needed the money. Or did he?
 
RazorOye said:
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.
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Sandusky is in jail right now.

I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.
 
RazorOye said:
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.
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Two things that'll ruin a powerfull man , a dead woman or a live boy .
 
Vinny said:
It looks more and more like the entire University administration is complicit in enabling Sandusky rape, sodomize and perhaps prostitute countless young children.
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Honestly, we might just be seeing the death of a football program in its entire. Right now, the goal of the Board of Regents for Penn State is the survivial of that school reputation as viable institution of learning.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Blackballed around the country?!?! So how in the **** does he get away with it for another 13 ****ing raping years?!?! DOUSE 'EM ALL WITH GASOLINE! Each and every enabler. I don't get the whole pimping out thing. It's not like Sandusky needed the money. Or did he?
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I see it as leverage which he had . That's how J Edgar Hoover got so powerfull , he had dirt .

As far as being blackballed the dude said there must have been whispers because a 55 year old DC at the top of his game didn't even get a sniff .

Sandusky is obviously a bright guy who is convincing . You don't get to be a top notch DC being dumb . PSU had the reputation of being a dang good bowl team because given enough time , they would figure out how to shut you down . That was Sandusky and he turned all those smarts into a pedophiles delight . He is a dangerous man .
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Honestly, we might just be seeing the death of a football program in its entire. Right now, the goal of the Board of Regents for Penn State is the survivial of that school reputation as viable institution of learning.
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Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.
 
Vinny said:
Sandusky is in jail right now.
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Last I heard (as in 5 minutes ago on 610 with Vandy and Lopez)....homeboy is out on bail....like now as I type at home.

Also, just heard about some pimping scheme. WTF is going on here?

Holy **** throw all these fuqs in a woodchipper.
 
TexanSam said:
Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.
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I believe their going to bring out guys on that donor list and it's going to be a who's who of guys who bought boys .
 
TexanSam said:
Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.
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hey, they knew about this nearly a year ago (that's when the Grand Jury did their fact find). They waited till their hand was forced nearly a year later. Sandusky was on the Campus two weeks ago. I'd favor the death penalty for the football program. It's a disease at this point.
 
HTown2ATX said:
Last I heard (as in 5 minutes ago on 610 with Vandy and Lopez)....homeboy is out on bail....like now as I type at home.

Also, just heard about some pimping scheme. WTF is going on here?

Holy **** throw all these fuqs in a woodchipper.
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Ok, just looked. He is out on 100 grand bail. How the hell was the bail only 100k?

The title of Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky's 2001 autobiography, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story," now appears creepily prescient.

The 67-year-old former Penn State University assistant football coach who ran a nonprofit organization for at-risk kids is out on $100,000 bail, claiming his innocence.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...th-football-coach-sexual-assault-youth-sports
 
Vinny said:
Sandusky is in jail right now.

I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.
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No. He spent just a few hours in jail. He immediately posted the $100,000 bond and was released.

Arnold Palmer, Jack Ham, and Franco Harris... the "several" other NFL hall-of-famers and coaches what say you all? This is about to rock the NFL to the core...

I am saddened and very angry.
 
I would not be surprised if Sandusky's family found him hanging in his garage or dead from a self-inflicted gunshot in the next day or two.

Not that the world would be any poorer, just saying it would not surprise me. I think they should revoke his bail and get him back under some kind of suicide watch if they really want to put him on trial. Who knows, maybe there are people with a lot more we still don't know about to lose who would prefer he silence himself for good?
 
How has someone not capped Sandusky as he is out on bail? Just surprised. Does he have police protection or something?
 
So. Who would now send their freshman daughter to a school who's powerful football program covers up child molestation?

That's what I thought.

I wonder what other deeds unrelated to this specific crime were covered up.
 
Vinny said:
I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.
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Where did you hear about the DA? I haven't heard that.

Edit, Found it:

The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.

Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.

Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."

In July this year, Gricar was officially declared dead, though Weaver said the investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and new leads continue to emerge.

Weaver said that though everyone has a personal theory about what may have happened to Gricar -- from suicide to foul play -- there has been no evidence to support any one of them. The idea that the disappearance could be linked to the Sandusky investigation, Weaver said, is "highly doubtful."

"Obviously if something raises an eye, it's something we'll look at," he said. "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility."
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.Trv1nHLqLbw
 
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article in response to the kids protesting the Paterno firing
This is well beyond "alleged" actions or distorted reporting here. There was a three-year investigation. There was a grand jury which found there was enough evidence for a trial. Sandusky has not been found guilty yet, but that doesn't mean he's not guilty. It just means he got away with it for longer.

This isn't a case of he said vs. he said. It's a case of he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said and he said vs. he said. There's more than just "allegations" here. There's been an actual three-year investigation.

If Paterno was wronged, it was a smidgen compared to what happened to those children who were raped over the years that would not have been had Paterno fulfilled his responsibilities as a human being to show the slightest concern for the victims.

Your response to this is to flip TV trucks and damage private property? Throwing rocks at reporters and police? Spraying them with pepper spray? In the interest of what? Having a coach who did the minimum upon learning of child molestation, tacitly enabling more to be victimized, to coach a football game? Disgusting!

Where is your sense of perspective, Penn State? Shame on you!
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...deserve-your-sympathy-penn-state-shame-on-you
 
Super Mario said:
JoePA is a freaking liar and an awful human being. Same goes for the 2 executives. An assistant tells you he saw a kid getting buttf#$@#ed in your football showers and you dont do everything in your power to make sure this guy never see's the light of day?

I dont buy all the "I was told it was inappropriate touching" garbage. You were told exactly what the assistant saw, and went into self preservation mode. Despicable.
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But how would a guy like Paterno go about the process of "doing the right thing?"

It seems so easy, us sitting here saying he should have done this and he should have done that. Follow along for a second....

1. You're the head coach of Penn State. You're the oldest active college coach, it's all you know. It's who you are. Penn State, when people think about the name, they see an image of Paterno's face with the big nose and the 1960s eye glasses, and the broad smile. Your bowl appearances and bowl wins are vast and legendary.

2. Somebody approaches you and says they saw Sandusky violating an underage boy in a shower.

3. ****. I should tell someone about this. But who? So I talk to someone, and I begin to realize this goes deeper than just Sandusky. It's not just some sad man named Sandusky getting his kicks off underage boys. In fact, this thing is WAY DEEP. Big names, big money, people who know people who know PEOPLE. Something out of a Grisham novel. Hell, I begin to wonder if I've screwed up just by talking to a couple people about the allegations.

4. I should quit. To hell with this, and all of the garbage that could evolve out of it. I'm a legend. I've done enough, and if I can't talk to anyone and if it wouldn't do any good even if I tried...then I'm out of here. I can at least walk away knowing that I would not support it in an indirect manner.

5. But wait a second. Why do I have to go away when I ain't done nothing wrong? I'm not guilty. I'm a coach, I'm here to represent the school and I know that I, Joe Paterno, take good care of those parents' kids who send their boys to play for Penn State. Heck, I MUST stay here so that I can make sure that I keep my eyes on things and maintain some normalcy.

Flash forward to current day....

6. What's this letter? It says to call a number in 15 minutes. So I call it, and a voice on the other tells me that I am fired. Just like that. Couldn't even do it to my face, like real men would. Oh I see, so this is how it ends? Some pervert and his whacko buddies with money and power, guys I don't run with and never would run with, are in such a deep mess that now I am also guilty for having been here when they were. I should have retired a long time ago. Dammit. I should have left it all behind.

7. But I am a good man. I did nothing wrong. I had to be there to be GOOD example for young men. I'm a football coach. It's what I do. I should have walked away, but I couldn't.

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Just remember, he's like 80-something-years-old. I think for some people, their world really IS as simple as this: I'm a coach. It's what I do. I wake up in the morning, grab coffee, hit the office and look at scouting reports. Drills. Practice. Hit the office again, meet with a recruit, go home and eat dinner. Rinse and repeat. When I think of that sort of person, I think of Joe Paterno--A guy who would be carried out of PSU with a sheet over his dead body one day, not because of a school shooting...but because he died at age 98 while watching game film in his office.

Couple this with what he might have found out is a system SO HUGE and so vast in its reach, and you walk away understanding that sometimes the decision a guy like Paterno "should have made" is not as easy as it sounds.

I'm just sort of saddened that Penn State has so quickly gone the route of cleansing the place so deeply.

Is there even more stuff on Paterno than what we know right now? Not that he was participating or anything, just saying that maybe he's a LOT more complicit than we'd like to believe (even if his complicity was minor in the grand scheme of things).

I suppose PSU felt it had to remove Paterno because of the past affiliation with Sandusky--When you think of Sandusky, you think of Paterno's better years at PSU...therefore he's guilty, in a sense, by mere association with Sandusky.

I believe in simplicity. I think we all do. But carrying out a simplistic idea, such as "I should have quit," or "I should tell the police, or a school administrator" is simple on its face. Complex in the details of actually going through with it.

If Paterno is innocent, meaning he had no direct involvement with this yucky stuff, and his only flaw was (a) not retiring, or (b) not putting the weight of the universe on his shoulders and spending his life and finances on trying to hire people to expose the ring of corruption surrounding Sandusky, then I'm glad he got fired and he can now live the last few years of his life with his wife and let Penn State clean up ITS OWN DAMN MESS.

I just can't understand why people are extending the vitriole toward Paterno, as if it was his sole responsibility to make things right. Yes, by LAW you are supposed to tell someone. And IIRC, the sports media reports said that Paterno DID go and tell someone in the administration. If so, then he followed procedure. It was then the responsibility of the person he told--the administrator--to take it forward and alert the authorities. If things are true about how Paterno DID tell someone at PSU about what he had heard about Sandusky and the shower incident, then what else could Paterno do to be cleared of charges in the minds of the public?

One last thing: I suppose we can also say that Paterno didn't know when to quit. Someone was going to have to make that decision for him. He said he wanted to retire after this season, but we all sort of giggle at that assertion by JoePa. Thus, the school decided to be rid of him and remove a tie to the past; a tie to Sandusky. It was the smart play by PSU, even if it looks like they're sacrificing Paterno for no good reason.
 
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