Nick Caserio - New GM

[Mr teX]

Nick Caserio's first pick was a shot in the dark.

One he tried to fast track.

All the whole some of my good friends support the trial of errors.

Ever so optimistic.

You were so close!!!!. Yes, Mills was a shot in the dark..nothing really to lose by selecting him where he did. Fast track? how? By seeing if he could shine with poop talent around him?

 

[KarlK]

I'm sort of wishy washy about Caserio. I like some of the moves he has made but scratch my head at some of the others. He did manage to unass Easterby from the Texans so that is a plus in my book.

Next year will be his third year as GM and so far it really doesn't look like we are close to being relevant in the league. If Lovie gets fired after this season then the new coach will have some input on 2 of our picks from the Browns. If the Texans put off firing Lovie until 2024 then here we are with a new coach starting over in year 4.

I guess my question is how long before we start seeing a competitive football team with Caserio in charge. It looks to me like they have a 5 year plan & for me that is just too damn long.

Especially considering your window to win anything is like 3 years.

 

[Double Barrel]

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.

B. McKinney	Release		$7.00m
D. Johnson	Release		$6.90m
Z. Fulton	Release		$3.00m
Du. Johnson	Release		$5.15m
B. Dunn	Release		$3.25m
B. Cooks	Trade		$12.00m
J. Watt	Release		$17.50m
Total Saved			$54.80m

Many of the above, Caserio later cut, turning potential savings into dead money. Caserio instead decided to restructure every contract he could possibly restructure. He has restructured Tunsil and Cooks twice, making Cooks UNTRADEABLE and Tunsil a future salary cap monstrosity. Instead of saving $56MM, Caserio borrowed over $37MM from the future salary caps so he could rearrange the chairs on the Titanic in 2021. Idiotic!

Clearly, Caserio has no financial training, knows nothing about NFL contracts, and has illustrated he is fiscally irresponsible. This is what he knows and given additional chances nothing would change. In fact, if there is anything we have learned, with increasing salary caps and Caserio's fiscal irresponsibilities, the mistakes will only become bigger FUBARS on a much grander scale.

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

The McNair's yes. Nick Caserio, the jury is still out for now.

 

[76Texan]

You were so close!!!!. Yes, Mills was a shot in the dark..nothing really to lose by selecting him where he did. Fast track? how? By seeing if he could shine with poop talent around him?

Come back to me in 2024.

 

[Texian]

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

Olson had a reputation as being one of the best contract and salary cap specialists in the NFL. It sure didn't take Arthur Blank long to scoop him up. If there was one bright spot and shining star in the Texans' history is the contracts Olson negotiated that always seemed cap friendly and a benefit to the Texans.

 

[Texazan]

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

Well what would’ve ever clued you into that?

Yea, morons, and that’s being nice. At times I’m not sure they know they own a professional football team. It’s a multi-billion dollar toy to these folks. I’m pretty GD apathetic at this point. Just could give less than a **** these days.

 

[badboy]

Harris avg just over $1m replaced Kamu Grugeir-Hill avg just over 3. I like that and hope to see more.

 

[badboy]

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

Just a reminder:

Report: Texans fire interim general manager Chris Olsen

The Houston Texans have shaken up their front office in the aftermath of the 2019 season coming to a close. According to Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle, the Texans have fired senior vice president of football admin

texanswire.usatoday.com

 

[Texansballer74]

You were so close!!!!. Yes, Mills was a shot in the dark..nothing really to lose by selecting him where he did. Fast track? how? By seeing if he could shine with poop talent around him?

He would be shining with the poop talent around him if he was accurate versus sailing passes over his receivers heads and throwing at their feet.

 

[leebigeztx]

I think it's pretty established that the McNairs wanted Easterby and Caserio would not terminate him without Cal telling him to.

The only person who could fire Esterbe was Cal. It was in his contract.

 

[JB]

The only person who could fire Esterbe was Cal. It was in his contract.

Plus Caserio was in the department under Easterby

 

[steelbtexan]

Tell me about this woeful mismanagement of the cap. Give me those egregious moves that INDEPENDENTLY & SIGNIFICANTLY altered and/or handicapped the Texans from getting the cap in shape and ready before 2023. People throw this around, but doubtbul there's a single or significant number of collective moves on the level of say the Schaub extension they can point to that had that kind of impact.

Great we gave Britt 2 million to come back and try to play & it didn't work out.....Bro its 2 million.

So Eric Murray's remaining guaranteed money wasn't accelerated last year so we could be clear of his contract this year..his dead cap for 2023 is 1.3 million..can't even sign a premium draft pick with that money.

"Oh we shouldn't have gave Cooks that extension we should've traded him now he wants out"..........well, he was a productive player that got disgruntled...that could happen at any point with any player...Aside from that, he can be traded next year and would carry a much lower dead cap hit.

None of these moves were cap shattering on their own or collectively.

They now have the 3rd lowest payroll and the 7th most cap space in the NFL. I would say Caseio has done a pretty good (Not great) job of cleaning up the cap mess that was left for him. This was always going to be a 2 yr project.

 

[steelbtexan]

Caserio saw Mills as an upside investment. Many analyst viewed Mills as a RD1 QB who may have been among the most desired QB’s in the 2022 NFL Draft had he stayed at Stanford. Got him in RD3 of the 2021 draft instead. There was word that the Patriots had hoped he would drop to them.

Yep, it's like for some posters drafting Mills over Mienertz killed this franchise. LMAO

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.

B. McKinney	Release		$7.00m
D. Johnson	Release		$6.90m
Z. Fulton	Release		$3.00m
Du. Johnson	Release		$5.15m
B. Dunn	Release		$3.25m
B. Cooks	Trade		$12.00m
J. Watt	Release		$17.50m
Total Saved			$54.80m

Many of the above, Caserio later cut, turning potential savings into dead money. Caserio instead decided to restructure every contract he could possibly restructure. He has restructured Tunsil and Cooks twice, making Cooks UNTRADEABLE and Tunsil a future salary cap monstrosity. Instead of saving $56MM, Caserio borrowed over $37MM from the future salary caps so he could rearrange the chairs on the Titanic in 2021. Idiotic!



Clearly, Caserio has no financial training, knows nothing about NFL contracts, and has illustrated he is fiscally irresponsible. This is what he knows and given additional chances nothing would change. In fact, if there is anything we have learned, with increasing salary caps and Caserio's fiscal irresponsibilities, the mistakes will only become bigger FUBARS on a much grander scale.

Will they need the cap space this offseason?

They currently have the 7th most cap space in the NFL. Which is more than enough. IMHO

 

[Texian]

Yep, it's like for some posters drafting Mills over Mienertz killed this franchise. LMAO

Will they need the cap space this offseason?

They currently have the 7th most cap space in the NFL. Which is more than enough. IMHO

It's the mindset of drafting Mills instead of Meinerz that has this franchise in a tailspin. As long as that mindset continues, so will the death spiral.

As explained to you many times before, it does not matter how much salary cap you have. You could be $200MM UNDER the cap but if you have Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman-Fried managing your salary cap it doesn't do you much good. Nick Caserio has demonstrated that he is much more like Bernie and Sam and nowhere close to being a Jamie Dimon. I know this, you know this and Cal knows this. More importantly, Cal knows this because Cal has had to write all the checks to cover all of the monetary SNAFUs.

 

[Texian]

Good thing they got rid of Chris Olsen so there is nobody in the building to challenge Caserio's questionable math.

The McNairs are football morons, I'm convinced of it.

The primary reason they got rid of Olson was he was challenging and fighting against some of the asinine deals O'Brien, Caserio and Easterby were putting together. The results of the Olson decision are directly responsible for the Texans' W-L record and getting the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

It's the mindset of drafting Mills instead of Meinerz that has this franchise in a tailspin. As long as that mindset continues, so will the death spiral.

As explained to you many times before, it does not matter how much salary cap you have. You could be $200MM UNDER the cap but if you have Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman-Fried managing your salary cap it doesn't do you much good. Nick Caserio has demonstrated that he is much more like Bernie and Sam and nowhere close to being a Jamie Dimon. I know this, you know this and Cal knows this. More importantly, Cal knows this because Cal has had to write all the checks to cover all of the monetary SNAFUs.

LMAO, mindset?

You sure you aren't just looking for bias confirmation? Bottom line is drafting Mills over Mienertz and trading a couple of 5th rd picks and late rd pick swaps hasn't done any long term damage to the org. Cleaning up the cap and trading the Pervert were jobs 1-2. The cleaning of the cap has happened and now the org is in a much better place than it was before Caserio showed up down on Kirby. Although like you, there are things that I would've done differently. Are you glad Caserio didn't trade Tunsil for a 2nd rd pick and cap space like many on here wanted Caserio to do.

 

[Earl34]

Many analysts are wrong all the time. Mills still only had 11 college games, and not very good stats to go along with it. For anyone to think he would have been a 1st rounder another year at school is stretching it at best.

Exactly! It's a "feel good" talking point without any substance to make us think or hope we got a potential steal in the 3rd round. However, when you look at the facts, it's another narrative that falls apart.

It's been five years since Stanford even won more than four games in a season. Exactly who would Mills be throwing to? If he returned to school, was there enough talent to even have a winning season? How many first round QBs are getting drafted after winning 3 or 4 games in a season? I don't know how anyone can make that first rounder claim without considering the talent Mills would be playing with.

 

[JB]

The primary reason they got rid of Olson was he was challenging and fighting against some of the asinine deals O'Brien, Caserio and Easterby were putting together. The results of the Olson decision are directly responsible for the Texans' W-L record and getting the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

Olson was fired long before Caserio got here. Don't let your hate alter the facts. If your interested in facts, I'm no longer sure you are.

 

[Texian]

LMAO, mindset?

You sure you aren't just looking for bias confirmation? Bottom line is drafting Mills over Mienertz and trading a couple of 5th rd picks and late rd pick swaps hasn't done any long term damage to the org. Cleaning up the cap and trading the Pervert were jobs 1-2. The cleaning of the cap has happened and now the org is in a much better place than it was before Caserio showed up down on Kirby. Although like you, there are things that I would've done differently. Are you glad Caserio didn't trade Tunsil for a 2nd rd pick and cap space like many on here wanted Caserio to do.

Some folks understand the mindset, some folks do not. There is no bias in my confirmation, the 1 -11 - 1 is a complete objective confirmation and speaks for itself. No, I wish Caserio had not restructured Tunsil's contract not once, much less twice. Had Caserio not been fiscally irresponsible Tunsil could've been traded for a 1st RD plus. That fits the rebuild model instead of the demolition model.

Tunsil does not want to be here and will be gone after next year regardless. That's why I wanted to draft Charles Cross with #3 in last year's draft. Who by the way is getting outstanding marks. Seattle is very pleased. I don't know about a bias confirmation but I do read a lot of biased excuses in your post and most of your posts for that matter.

There is a good chance that Caserio gets fired this year and when he does I'm sure we will all read, for years to come, how you think Caserio's firing was the worst decision in Texans history.

What I told you would happen in January 2021 is now happening in December 2022. However, you keep digging but your hole is not getting any better it is only getting deeper.

 

[thunderkyss]

Exactly! It's a "feel good" talking point without any substance to make us think or hope we got a potential steal in the 3rd round. However, when you look at the facts, it's another narrative that falls apart.

Right. If at any time Mills played like Dak or Wilson their first year, I wouldn't roll my eyes every time I read that.

Watching him play, he should never have been 1 play away from playing in an NFL game. Maybe he'll turn into a decent to good QB. But it's hard to see one more year at the college level would have made him a 1st year starter in the NFL

 

[Mr teX]

They now have the 3rd lowest payroll and the 7th most cap space in the NFL. I would say Caseio has done a pretty good (Not great) job of cleaning up the cap mess that was left for him. This was always going to be a 2 yr project.

that aspect of it was for sure.

 

[Mr teX]

Look at the score board.

Strawman argument b/c you know at the end of the day all your belly aching about what Caserio “could’ve” done or “should’ve” done with the cap and contracts weren’t significant enough to speed up or slow down fixing the cap situation.

The scoreboard is more reflective of the takent on the field and the coaching…but you can’t make guys sign here…much less so during a PR disaster.

 

[steelbtexan]

Some folks understand the mindset, some folks do not. There is no bias in my confirmation, the 1 -11 - 1 is a complete objective confirmation and speaks for itself. No, I wish Caserio had not restructured Tunsil's contract not once, much less twice. Had Caserio not been fiscally irresponsible Tunsil could've been traded for a 1st RD plus. That fits the rebuild model instead of the demolition model.

Tunsil does not want to be here and will be gone after next year regardless. That's why I wanted to draft Charles Cross with #3 in last year's draft. Who by the way is getting outstanding marks. Seattle is very pleased. I don't know about a bias confirmation but I do read a lot of biased excuses in your post and most of your posts for that matter.

There is a good chance that Caserio gets fired this year and when he does I'm sure we will all read, for years to come, how you think Caserio's firing was the worst decision in Texans history.

What I told you would happen in January 2021 is now happening in December 2022. However, you keep digging but your hole is not getting any better it is only getting deeper.

What hole is getting deeper?

Finally the Texans are loaded with draft picks and cap space for the foreseeable future. 1st time in years they've had this combination. You would think you would be happy, but I guess not.

 

[Mr teX]

LMAO, mindset?

You sure you aren't just looking for bias confirmation? Bottom line is drafting Mills over Mienertz and trading a couple of 5th rd picks and late rd pick swaps hasn't done any long term damage to the org. Cleaning up the cap and trading the Pervert were jobs 1-2. The cleaning of the cap has happened and now the org is in a much better place than it was before Caserio showed up down on Kirby. Although like you, there are things that I would've done differently. Are you glad Caserio didn't trade Tunsil for a 2nd rd pick and cap space like many on here wanted Caserio to do.

We weren’t getting a 2nd for Tunsil…not with that contract..3rd at best.

 

[Texian]

What hole is getting deeper?

Finally the Texans are loaded with draft picks and cap space for the foreseeable future. 1st time in years they've had this combination. You would think you would be happy, but I guess not.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio trade away draft picks for players he would only cut weeks or months later.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio trade away draft picks to move up for players who would've been available if he had only waited.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio draft half as many players as he had draft picks.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio sign some terrible contracts only to cut players/contracts weeks or months later.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio create $60MM in dead cap money in order to sign a bunch of over-the-hill 1-year contracts.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio restructure contracts to the point players become untradeable.

History tells us only to expect more of the same because Nick Caserio doesn't know any different.

And you wonder why I'm not happy? If you love FUBARs and SNAFUs then I'm happy as hell.

 

[badboy]

Cleaning up cap and moving Watson was to be done by someone. Casserio doing it doesn’t mean it was done best way. Saying trading picks and selecting free agents did not lead to long term detriment so it's not a concern is ridiculous.

 

[Texian]

Cleaning up cap and moving Watson was to be done by someone. Casserio doing it doesn’t mean it was done best way. Saying trading picks and selecting free agents did not lead to long term detriment so it's not a concern is ridiculous.

What some people don't seem to understand is Caserio did not clean up the salary cap. On the contrary, for all practical purposes, Caserio made the salary cap worse in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Before Caserio showed up the dead cap in 2022 was almost $0, today it is over $77MM. Before Caserio showed up Tunsil's 2023 cap was $18.5MM, today it is over $35MM. Before Caserio showed up Cooks 2023 cap was $12MM, today it is $18.5. If you were to trade or cut Tunsil and Cooks next year, that alone would create over $77MM in dead cap money. That's $77MM in dead money for two guys. This guy makes Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried look like a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Texian]

Exactly! It's a "feel good" talking point without any substance to make us think or hope we got a potential steal in the 3rd round. However, when you look at the facts, it's another narrative that falls apart.

It's been five years since Stanford even won more than four games in a season. Exactly who would Mills be throwing to? If he returned to school, was there enough talent to even have a winning season? How many first round QBs are getting drafted after winning 3 or 4 games in a season? I don't know how anyone can make that first rounder claim without considering the talent Mills would be playing with.

It's an excuse for drafting a QB in the 3rd RD who only played 11 games and whose head coach said he was SOMEWHAT accurate.

 

[Mr teX]

Cleaning up cap and moving Watson was to be done by someone. Casserio doing it doesn’t mean it was done best way. Saying trading picks and selecting free agents did not lead to long term detriment so it's not a concern is ridiculous.

Trading a star qb in his prime…thats a damn near unprecedented thing..noone can definitely say it could be done better or worse b/c it literally doesn’t happen…….ever.


So I would say it’s equally ridiculous to be fretting over how it “could’ve” been done better….especially when you don’t have a clue of all the variables ….or knowing all the variables & downplaying/overestimating some of them to drive home the preferred agenda……like underplaying the power of DW4’s no trade clause…or overestimating the amount of teams interested to thereby fuel “a bidding war”..thats what a few folks in here do.

and you’re right it had to be done…& that someone could’ve been BoB…would you have had more faith that it all could’ve turned out better with him at the helm?

so my thing is even if NC took a few rights when he should’ve took maybe 1 left, no GM bats 100% anymore than an OC calls 100% great playcalls. Its the destination that matters most of the time, not necessarily how you get there.

 

[76Texan]

Strawman argument b/c you know at the end of the day all your belly aching about what Caserio “could’ve” done or “should’ve” done with the cap and contracts weren’t significant enough to speed up or slow down fixing the cap situation.

The scoreboard is more reflective of the takent on the field and the coaching…but you can’t make guys sign here…much less so during a PR disaster.

That PR disaster ended in March when Watson was traded.

With the extra picks, Caserio couldn't improve the roster of a terrible 4-12 team that gets a shot in the arm with the return of Tunsil.

You can't tell me Culley is a better HC than Lovie.

Caserio drafted Mills, Collins, Jordan, Green, Stingley.

Caserio brought in guys like Britt, Canon, Quensbury, Murrat KHG and a bunch of other LBs, Dlinemnen, not to mention Driskel and Allen.

Heck, plenty of free agent of QB would savor a chance to be the starter; they couldn't care less what team they're on.

Your argument is weak.

 

[JB]

Caserio brought in guys like Britt, Canon, Quensbury, Murrat

Eric Murray was signed to a 3 year deal by OB before the 2020 season

 

[steelbtexan]

I would be happy but I watched Caserio trade away draft picks for players he would only cut weeks or months later.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio trade away draft picks to move up for players who would've been available if he had only waited.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio draft half as many players as he had draft picks.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio sign some terrible contracts only to cut players/contracts weeks or months later.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio create $60MM in dead cap money in order to sign a bunch of over-the-hill 1-year contracts.

I would be happy but I watched Caserio restructure contracts to the point players become untradeable.

History tells us only to expect more of the same because Nick Caserio doesn't know any different.

And you wonder why I'm not happy? If you love FUBARs and SNAFUs then I'm happy as hell.

1. You dont know this.
2. Ditto
3. What contracts have hurt the Texans org?
4. Difference in opinion, Give me quality over quantity.
5. Do they have plenty of cap space, with the ability to create more if needed?
6. I like restructuring All pro/top 5 at their position. Especially at age 27. Who knew Cooks was going to whig out? I guess you did?

Like I said no harm has done to the long term health of the franchise. Plenty of cap space and draft picks are going to be plentiful over the next couple of yrs.

 

[thunderkyss]

What hole is getting deeper?

Finally the Texans are loaded with draft picks and cap space for the foreseeable future. 1st time in years they've had this combination. You would think you would be happy, but I guess not.

Look at the actual dollars. Not their rank in cap space. $40M is not rebuilding money. That’s what they should have in regular years

And if you have to nuance it & say they can get more if needed, that's the problem. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

Two years they should have ate all the dead money necessary to start the rebuild in year 3. But they didn't. Could have, but didn't.

Rebuild won't start until hopefully 2024, maybe we'll get a new coach then as well since they jumped the gun fired the bridge coach early & hired another bridge coach.

This is where we are. Going into year three with a bunch of draft picks, a bridge coach, no QB, & not as much money as we should have

 

[badboy]

Trading a star qb in his prime…thats a damn near unprecedented thing..noone can definitely say it could be done better or worse b/c it literally doesn’t happen…….ever.


So I would say it’s equally ridiculous to be fretting over how it “could’ve” been done better….especially when you don’t have a clue of all the variables ….or knowing all the variables & downplaying/overestimating some of them to drive home the preferred agenda……like underplaying the power of DW4’s no trade clause…or overestimating the amount of teams interested to thereby fuel “a bidding war”..thats what a few folks in here do.

and you’re right it had to be done…& that someone could’ve been BoB…would you have had more faith that it all could’ve turned out better with him at the helm?

so my thing is even if NC took a few rights when he should’ve took maybe 1 left, no GM bats 100% anymore than an OC calls 100% great playcalls. Its the destination that matters most of the time, not necessarily how you get there.

How we get to destination I want for Texans matters tremendously.

Only so many "whoops" do I want to experience in such a short time.

 

[steelbtexan]

Look at the actual dollars. Not their rank in cap space. $40M is not rebuilding money. That’s what they should have in regular years

And if you have to nuance it & say they can get more if needed, that's the problem. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

Two years they should have ate all the dead money necessary to start the rebuild in year 3. But they didn't. Could have, but didn't.

Rebuild won't start until hopefully 2024, maybe we'll get a new coach then as well since they jumped the gun fired the bridge coach early & hired another bridge coach.

This is where we are. Going into year three with a bunch of draft picks, a bridge coach, no QB, & not as much money as we should have

7th most isn't good enough.

Also cheap help is coming in the way of draft picks

 

[thunderkyss]

What some people don't seem to understand is Caserio did not clean up the salary cap.

Not only that but we don’t know what we got in the draft. Hope & a prayer. I mean Pierce looks solid. Pitre may turn into a player, we’ve got two good games out of him, 13 eh games

The rest… haven’t seen enough to really say.

 

[Mr teX]

That PR disaster ended in March when Watson was traded.

With the extra picks, Caserio couldn't improve the roster of a terrible 4-12 team that gets a shot in the arm with the return of Tunsil.

You can't tell me Culley is a better HC than Lovie.

Caserio drafted Mills, Collins, Jordan, Green, Stingley.

Caserio brought in guys like Britt, Canon, Quensbury, Murrat KHG and a bunch of other LBs, Dlinemnen, not to mention Driskel and Allen.

Heck, plenty of free agent of QB would savor a chance to be the starter; they couldn't care less what team they're on.

Your argument is weak.

Lol…you dont have to believe it if you don’t want to…die on your hill trying to criticize Caserio..All i know is Lovie’s 1st year in Tampa? he only won 2 games…Lovie’s last year in Illinois? He won only 2 games.

So Perhaps you and a few others underestimated ol’ David Culley.

And Caserio started in2021…the Watson saga didnt resolve until March 2022. That means Caserio had a full year of that PR disaster to contend with…

and while i agree plenty of FA qbs would’ve loved to come here for the chance to be the starter, anyone worth a damn would’ve probably been priced out of our range & 2, likely would’ve had the same success as the trio we’ve trotted out there to date….as was demonstrated by the 3 FA qbs HE DID SIGN.

Furthermore what solid FA was coming here in 2021 with all that mess still going on?

My argument is weak? Why don’t u try making yours without the benefit of hindsight…b/c that seems to be the ONLY way you can even formulate a argument period.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Mills would've been a 1st RD if he stayed is nothing more than pure spin and guessing. Many fell for it. Pep Hamilton who had Stanford connections convinced Caserio that Davis Mills was their guy. It was also Hamilton who also had Michigan connections convinced Caserio to trade up for Nico Collins.

I said at the time that Pep Hamilton's 16 jobs in 24 years do not speak well or instill confidence in Pep as a good or an above-average coach. Pep might be a great guy with a fantastic personality but as a football coach, not so much. It does appear that after two years Pep Hamilton will once again be looking for another job.

I guess your spin and guessing is supposed to be of premium quality. Interesting how your time is spent on this message board versus turning an NFL franchise around for a living.

 

[Mr teX]

How we get to destination I want for Texans matters tremendously.

Only so many "whoops" do I want to experience in such a short time.

think thats the case for everyone….to a point. But you can’t wring your hands about small misses. The way some here act, NC handed out a contract to a known dog like an Albert Haynesworth and got 2 magic beans and navel lint for DW4.

 

[JB]

Look at the actual dollars. Not their rank in cap space. $40M is not rebuilding money. That’s what they should have in regular years

Not for the Texans

years they should have ate all the dead money necessary to start the rebuild in year 3. But they didn't. Could have, but didn't.

What you talkin' about Willis?

since they jumped the gun fired the bridge coach early & hired another bridge coach.

When the bridge coach refuses to follow directions of his boss you have no choice but to follow him

 

[Mr teX]

Look at the actual dollars. Not their rank in cap space. $40M is not rebuilding money. That’s what they should have in regular years

And if you have to nuance it & say they can get more if needed, that's the problem. You just refuse to acknowledge it.

Two years they should have ate all the dead money necessary to start the rebuild in year 3. But they didn't. Could have, but didn't.

Rebuild won't start until hopefully 2024, maybe we'll get a new coach then as well since they jumped the gun fired the bridge coach early & hired another bridge coach.

This is where we are. Going into year three with a bunch of draft picks, a bridge coach, no QB, & not as much money as we should have

Whether YOU want to acknowledge it, the rebuild started this year when we finally got a full compliment of picks after 2 years of not having them…b/c that’s primarily how you want to begin rebuilding..thru the draft with cheap talent. Cap space is needed for FA..which is as you know is used to COMPLIMENT the primary strategy…..usually When you get close to contending…which we are definitely not.

But once again no team is ever fully clear of dead money anyway so if you’re basing the “official” start of the rebuild on that……well, ok, but it only really comes into play when:

you’re trying to ink your franchise QB long term…..we dont have 1 right now..

As i said up-post, when you are close to contending and you need a tier 1 level player or 2 to put you over the top…..the Texans right now are no where close to that

Or are trying to resign important veteran talent in supporting roles. Who do the Texans have/had on this roster right now that fit that?

And what REALLY does it matter if we have 1 bridge coach for 2 years…or 2 bridge coaches in 2 years. Having multiple bridge managers seemed to turn out ok for the Astros during their 3 100 loss years.

 

[76Texan]

Lol…you dont have to believe it if you don’t want to…die on your hill trying to criticize Caserio..All i know is Lovie’s 1st year in Tampa? he only won 2 games…Lovie’s last year in Illinois? He won only 2 games.

So Perhaps you and a few others underestimated ol’ David Culley.

And Caserio started in2021…the Watson saga didnt resolve until March 2022. That means Caserio had a full year of that PR disaster to contend with…

and while i agree plenty of FA qbs would’ve loved to come here for the chance to be the starter, anyone worth a damn would’ve probably been priced out of our range & 2, likely would’ve had the same success as the trio we’ve trotted out there to date….as was demonstrated by the 3 FA qbs HE DID SIGN.

Furthermore what solid FA was coming here in 2021 with all that mess still going on?

My argument is weak? Why don’t u try making yours without the benefit of hindsight…b/c that seems to be the ONLY way you can even formulate a argument period.

Look at the score board.

I already said last year that Cannon and Britt won't be the answer.
That bringing in too many old JAGs is not a good idea. (That they should bring in younger guys).

That Mills is a bad choice.

They were able to sign Taylor to play for an unknown HC in Culley.
They can bring in another vet to better evaluate the young receiver.

That keeping Brandin Cooks isn't a good idea.

I heard people on this forum saying that Lovie is well respected throughout the league bla bla bla.

But never mind.
Caserio is doing a good job.

See you in a couple more years.

We'll see if Caserio is still here and whether the Texans can be in the playoffs.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

You were so close!!!!. Yes, Mills was a shot in the dark..nothing really to lose by selecting him where he did. Fast track? how? By seeing if he could shine with poop talent around him?

….exactly why I mentioned, draft Young or Stroud and give them this offense as is and focus the balance of the draft on defense. If Young and Stroud are as special as many believe, they should have no problems adding 3-5 wins just b/c of their QB’ing skills. Might as well beef up that defense so it can protect the leads the new QB will be giving them.

 

[Mr teX]

Look at the score board.

I already said last year that Cannon and Britt won't be the answer.
That bringing in too many old JAGs is not a good idea. (That they should bring in younger guys).

That Mills is a bad choice.

They were able to sign Taylor to play for an unknown HC in Culley.
They can bring in another vet to better evaluate the young receiver.

That keeping Brandin Cooks isn't a good idea.

I heard people on this forum saying that Lovie is well respected throughout the league bla bla bla.

But never mind.
Caserio is doing a good job.

See you in a couple more years.

We'll see if Caserio is still here and whether the Texans can be in the playoffs.

Bro get over yourself b/c for the record you suggested some other nonsense that would’ve hurt us worse in the long run…i already outed you in that regard. you’re in here beating your chest about things that in the grand scheme of things where they were AT THE TIME, wasn’t going to matter much as it relates to the “scoreboard”.

i mean really what does it matter if you get your ass kicked every week with young talent or old talent? At the end of the day, your ass is still gonna be sore, you still lose, and fans will still complain about “the scoreboard”. At least with older veterans you know they know what they’re doing.

you’re trying to place small almost insignificant moves on the same level with the bigger ones…& just like an investment portfolio, everything doesn’t carry the same weight. All those small ass moves collectively you’re trying to say were “bad” don’t carry the same weight of the 1 big move he HAD to nail…which was the DW4 trade.

 

[Texansballer74]

Bottom line is the football Gods have cursed the Texans for whatever reasoning. Ever since that comment by the late McNair, this franchise has been going down and down and down.

 

[Texian]

Look at the actual dollars. Not their rank in cap space. $40M is not rebuilding money. That’s what they should have in regular years

Bingo! You may have $40MM in cap space which is 7th best but when you have to sign 15 players plus a practice squad that $40MM doesn't go very far.

When Tunsil and Cooks are more than 25% of your salary cap, over $61MM, that is an atrocity. Add in Tytus Howard and that is a 1/3 of your salary cap. That is a recipe for a repeat of 2021 and 2022. That is a clear sign of someone who does not know what in the hell they are doing. Is there anyone in NRG Stadium who passed Accounting 101? If so, please report to the Kirby Dr. Texans Boardroom.

 

[JB]

Bingo! You may have $40MM in cap space but when you have to sign 15 players plus a practice squad that $40MM doesn't go very far.

Not near as dreary as you make it sound when 7-11 of those players are going to be draft picks plus you can add a few UDFA

 

[Texian]

Not near as dreary as you make it sound when 7-11 of those players are going to be draft picks plus you can add a few UDFA

I know it's worse, just (2) of those draft picks will count as $10 million against the 2023 salary cap. I take it you didn't pass Accounting 101? You gotta wonder if the 2023 draft class will do as much for the team as the 2022 draft class did????

 

[JB]

I know it's worse, just (2) of those draft picks will count as $10 million against the 2023 salary cap. I take it you didn't pass Accounting 101? You gotta wonder if the 2023 draft class will do as much for the team as the 2022 draft class did????

It must suck going through life looking only at the negative of things. They will still have $30M + to sign players. The 2022 class has done very well if you take out the cancer that no one could foresee