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Nick Caserio - New GM

steelbtexan said:
So you're saying the 2 Mamma's thing didn't happen?

I'm telling you it happened. BTW, wonder what Deeann Watson is up to today? We dont here much from her anymore. She must be so proud of her boy.
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I don't think it happened. He's a grown dude. Let me know when somebody mama call the grown man boss talking about another dude and his influence? Hopkins clearly stated he forced his way out, out of his own mouth, but we are to believe "insiders" ?
 
Dejaview said:
I have learned in my years to take with a grain of salt any ex military person that claims to have been Special Ops, Navy Seal, Green Beret, fighter pilot or any other special operator. Same with “inside information”. It’s already gaining mythical status. First by the “insider” that betrayed it then by the betrayers of the betrayment, lol. Every version gets its own new twist.
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Yeah, its pretty amazing with the insiders aspect.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't think it happened. He's a grown dude. Let me know when somebody mama call the grown man boss talking about another dude and his influence? Hopkins clearly stated he forced his way out, out of his own mouth, but we are to believe "insiders" ?
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This is what people who would know have said, choose to ignore them if you wish.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is what people who would know have said, choose to ignore them if you wish.
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I don't have to ignore, I just don't believe the logic when the man who was traded told the world everything you need to know. I don't believe it all lined up logically. Watson mama calls the owner, who happens to be a woman, about who her son is running around with. When you were 24 years old, did your mama ever call your friends mama talking about the need for yall to stop hanging? Then to top that off, the hands off owner tells the head coach to trade one of if not the teams best player? Yet the guy in question knew he could force a trade from an irrational gm by asking for more money. Not speculation, he said it out of his mouth.
 
cuppacoffee said:
As a young boy I learned that only the SHADOW knows.

Not that many of you young whippersnappers even know who the SHADOW was. :D

:coffee:
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I had to go to summer school in Jr High for english (goofed off too much). The young teacher (young stoner hippie type) played nothing but tapes of old Shadow radio episodes.

They were great and everyone passed. 😆 The teacher literally just had to push play during every class, then gave us a test on "the shadow" on the last day.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't have to ignore, I just don't believe the logic when the man who was traded told the world everything you need to know. I don't believe it all lined up logically. Watson mama calls the owner, who happens to be a woman, about who her son is running around with. When you were 24 years old, did your mama ever call your friends mama talking about the need for yall to stop hanging? Then to top that off, the hands off owner tells the head coach to trade one of if not the teams best player? Yet the guy in question knew he could force a trade from an irrational gm by asking for more money. Not speculation, he said it out of his mouth.
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Not to jump in the middle but couple of points.

When you were 24 years old, did your mama ever call your friends mama talking about the need for yall to stop hanging?

Mine no, but I worked security at the college in the student union building to help pay for college, they had a sweet jig that if you were employed by the college you got discounts on classes, and pretty much everyday I would see mothers, fathers, grandparents or siblings come into the student center looking for some 20-25 year old kid making sure they were in class or not hanging out with a bunch "useless, wannabe gangbanger, drug heads" their words not mine and said to those same people's faces. So yeah I have seen mamas get up in their 25 year old's business, saw one literally drag her kid out by the ear screaming at him the whole way and him just going "I'm sorry mama." and everyone laughing at him. Funniest damn thing I ever saw in my life.


Then to top that off, the hands off owner tells the head coach to trade one of if not the teams best player?

Since when have the McNair's ever been "hands off" owners? In fact isn't that one of the biggest complaints we have around this place is that they don't just sit in the owners box and count their money?
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't have to ignore, I just don't believe the logic when the man who was traded told the world everything you need to know. I don't believe it all lined up logically. Watson mama calls the owner, who happens to be a woman, about who her son is running around with. When you were 24 years old, did your mama ever call your friends mama talking about the need for yall to stop hanging? Then to top that off, the hands off owner tells the head coach to trade one of if not the teams best player? Yet the guy in question knew he could force a trade from an irrational gm by asking for more money. Not speculation, he said it out of his mouth.
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I'm just glad the Clemson trash has been taken out.

Finally they can get back to the business of trying to win a championship with players that put football 1st.
 
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GM Nick Caserio on the importance of offseason routines | Daily Brew

GM Nick Caserio describes a sample routine for players and himself during the time off before training camp.
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Make good choices, use your time wisely, stay in your routine."

"I think everybody needs a little bit of time away from football. It's good," Caserio said on Texans Radio. "But I'd say from a player standpoint, you have a four-to-six week window where you have to maintain your strength, maintain your endurance, maintain your physical performance. We're going to give our players a program and say if you do these things on a weekly basis, structure your week accordingly, go out there and train. Then when you show up for training camp, you should be prepared to withstand the rigors of what we're about to ask you to do."
 
steelbtexan said:
Great interview

I'm glad that Caserio looks at personnel in 2 yr windows. This is probably why he didn't invest highly in the RB/TE/DE positions last draft. Next yrs draft is much better at those positions.
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Isn't it about fielding the best team possible? After all, these are projections correct?
 
leebigeztx said:
Isn't it about fielding the best team possible? After all, these are projections correct?
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Yes it is, but when you're building and you know it's going to take 2-3 yrs because you don't have many star level players. Play to the strength of the drafts so that you can get the best players possible from each of the drafts. What's gone on too long around these parts is they need a OL so they reach for a guy like Howard and end up with an avg at best player. Those kinds of decisions are what lead to 4 win seasons. Unfortunately both RS and BOB had this mindset. Lost out on some great players in the process. Although I've got to give it to him, RS was great in the 1st rd, but if you are going to suck at drafting in rds 3-4 you can't afford to miss on your 1st rd pick. It only takes a miss like Kevin Johnson to really set your franchise back.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes it is, but when you're building and you know it's going to take 2-3 yrs because you don't have many star level players. Play to the strength of the drafts so that you can get the best players possible from each of the drafts. What's gone on too long around these parts is they need a OL so they reach for a guy like Howard and end up with an avg at best player. Those kinds of decisions are what lead to 4 win seasons. Unfortunately both RS and BOB had this mindset. Lost out on some great players in the process. Although I've got to give it to him, RS was great in the 1st rd, but if you are going to suck at drafting in rds 3-4 you can't afford to miss on your 1st rd pick. It only takes a miss like Kevin Johnson to really set your franchise back.
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The problem plaguing the Texans organization……piss-poor scouting, bad drafts, and never having a coaching staff that could coach up players for their system. Teams could easily draft….for need or BPA….if they could effectively execute the above points.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes it is, but when you're building and you know it's going to take 2-3 yrs because you don't have many star level players. Play to the strength of the drafts so that you can get the best players possible from each of the drafts. What's gone on too long around these parts is they need a OL so they reach for a guy like Howard and end up with an avg at best player. Those kinds of decisions are what lead to 4 win seasons. Unfortunately both RS and BOB had this mindset. Lost out on some great players in the process. Although I've got to give it to him, RS was great in the 1st rd, but if you are going to suck at drafting in rds 3-4 you can't afford to miss on your 1st rd pick. It only takes a miss like Kevin Johnson to really set your franchise back.
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You can't say Howard was a reach. I mean the guy everyone was clamoring has done what? You and I both know the Texans lost on alot of talent because they refused to draft a guy who may have had an issue in college. Marcus Peters and Justin Houston were better talents than Kevin Johnson and Brooks Reed. Until they get in that atmosphere, they're going to always be like a player or talent short.
 
leebigeztx said:
You can't say Howard was a reach. I mean the guy everyone was clamoring has done what? You and I both know the Texans lost on alot of talent because they refused to draft a guy who may have had an issue in college. Marcus Peters and Justin Houston were better talents than Kevin Johnson and Brooks Reed. Until they get in that atmosphere, they're going to always be like a player or talent short.
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I think you missed the point of my post. When you're rebuilding and you know it's a multi yr deal. Draft the most talented guys and some positions may be talented one yr and another more talented the next yr

Example: would you rather have drafted a QB last draft or waited until this yrs draft to draft a a QB. Not that the Texans need a QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think you missed the point of my post. When you're rebuilding and you know it's a multi yr deal. Draft the most talented guys and some positions may be talented one yr and another more talented the next yr

Example: would you rather have drafted a QB last draft or waited until this yrs draft to draft a a QB. Not that the Texans need a QB.
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You draft the best players every year regardless of position. You don't know where you're going to draft every year. A team, even in rebuilding mode can say we're going to wait, but you may not be in position the following year to draft that player. Its about talent accumilation every year.
 
leebigeztx said:
You draft the best players every year regardless of position. You don't know where you're going to draft every year. A team, even in rebuilding mode can say we're going to wait, but you may not be in position the following year to draft that player. Its about talent accumilation every year.
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Agreed but that's not what's been going on down on Kirby before Caserio got here. They were drafting for need
 
Every team drafts for need, but 1st where elite should be identified competently by a Professional front office, you don’t pass on that elite talent over need. It’s fear of off the field issues that’s handcuffed this organization starting with taking Carr over Peppers. Hard to evaluate everything if a player flips like Watson, know I sure never saw that one coming.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think you missed the point of my post. When you're rebuilding and you know it's a multi yr deal. Draft the most talented guys and some positions may be talented one yr and another more talented the next yr
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So when you’re not rebuilding you don’t draft the most talented guys?
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed but that's not what's been going on down on Kirby before Caserio got here. They were drafting for need
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Everyone drafts for needs, including Caserio. Teams have a vertical and horizontal board and best case scenerio is the bpa fills a need. Every team best player available. When those sim mocks were going on, did you have Metchie in front of Pickens,Pierce,Robinson, or Skyy? Did you have Green in front of Zion Johnson? If posters have 50m different ideas of bpa, I'm sure the 32 teams do also I would think.
 
thunderkyss said:
So when you’re not rebuilding you don’t draft the most talented guys?
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You still should draft bpa IMHO. I believe in looking at 2 yrs of college players instead of just the draft at hand.

I hope I've made this clear. I also believe in quality of players over quantity of players.

I will be very happy if Caserio in next yrs draft uses a 3rd and a 4,th to trade into the 2nd to make sure he gets 4 of the guys he likes the most. Kinda like he did with Metchie last draft.
 
leebigeztx said:
Everyone drafts for needs, including Caserio. Teams have a vertical and horizontal board and best case scenerio is the bpa fills a need. Every team best player available. When those sim mocks were going on, did you have Metchie in front of Pickens,Pierce,Robinson, or Skyy? Did you have Green in front of Zion Johnson? If posters have 50m different ideas of bpa, I'm sure the 32 teams do also I would think.
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I had Green ahead of Zion and Pickens/Moore ahead of Metchie.
 
I think 2023 draft will be lots of debating need over BPA as I can see Mills having a solid year but Texans being in position to draft Bryce Young. If Young takes another step forward as a true Junior it would be difficult for me to not take him and try to move Mills in a significant deal. I understand that will cause .. discussion.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, the ACL scared me. I had both of them in the 15-20 range though. If healthy I had Williams as a top 5 guy. Without injury

1. Neal
2. Stingley
3. Williams
4. Walker
5. Hutch
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Thats fair even though Stingley injury worried me more than Williams. I didn't really believe in Walker, but he went #1 by those who get paid. My bias toward alabama o-line players wouldn't allow me to place Neal that high. He could be the exception, we will see. I think Williams is real real special. The fact he's 20 ypc in college with basically a td per game tend to make me think he's on Chase level. That's not a requirement to to win, but a guy who can dicatate coverage from the jump would elevate the offense in my opinion.
 
badboy said:
I think 2023 draft will be lots of debating need over BPA as I can see Mills having a solid year but Texans being in position to draft Bryce Young. If Young takes another step forward as a true Junior it would be difficult for me to not take him and try to move Mills in a significant deal. I understand that will cause .. discussion.
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If Mills does his job during the season, Bryce Young has another stellar season, and the Texans find themselves in another top 5 draft position.....I'd trade out in a heartbeat b/c the haul should be worth the move.
 
leebigeztx said:
You can't say Howard was a reach. I mean the guy everyone was clamoring has done what? You and I both know the Texans lost on alot of talent because they refused to draft a guy who may have had an issue in college. Marcus Peters and Justin Houston were better talents than Kevin Johnson and Brooks Reed. Until they get in that atmosphere, they're going to always be like a player or talent short.
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Good points there LEE-B but after the way the Texans got burnt with Watson I suspect the McNairs might be even more
paranoid and therefor hyper cautious about who they are willing draft unless the Caserio-Lovie duo can convince them to
be more flexible about an elite-level talent with some off-field issues.
 
There are so many other options/directions of prospects the Texans could have gone.

Really hated passing on opportunity to draft Hamilton or Williams (elite talent) for trade down and selecting Kenyon then pissing away draft equity to move up for Metchie.

No way in hell you select injury plaqued prospect #3 overall when their are healthy elite players available.

Very hard to stomach the pain associated with DW4, come away with partial hope moving forward then seeing that eradicated day one and two of the draft. We needed true superstar injection on this roster to make-up for lost time and lost talent, what we ended up with was a mixed bag.

SteelblueTexan would make a better GM than what ownership of the Texans have produced, spending millions upon millions the last 20 years:clown:
 
leebigeztx said:
Everyone drafts for needs, including Caserio. Teams have a vertical and horizontal board and best case scenerio is the bpa fills a need. Every team best player available. When those sim mocks were going on, did you have Metchie in front of Pickens,Pierce,Robinson, or Skyy? Did you have Green in front of Zion Johnson? If posters have 50m different ideas of bpa, I'm sure the 32 teams do also I would think.
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Exactly.

BPA, to me, is an almost meaningless concept. There's no objective way to measure a player's value. Everyone has their own methods for assigning values to players. Some probably include variables for scheme fit and team needs.
 
I think it was in January when Lovie answered the question about being in the press box wearing a set of headphones.

When Culley and Gannon had no say in who their assistant coaches would be, Lovie walked in and made it clear he was the new sheriff in town and that he would decide who he wanted as his assistant coaches, and so he did. The new sheriff also informed Mayor Cal at that time, that as the new sheriff he would also be responsible for all player personnel.

Mayor Cal had to break the news to the then assistant mayor, Jack Easterby, that Jack and the new GM Easterby had just recently hired, Nick Caserio would now answer to the new sheriff. The GM was now going to be the new Facilitator and Jack would no longer be assistant mayor but the spiritual counselor instead. Since then it has been all smiles, everyone smile, and the first new episode of Fantasy Island started filming.

 
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badboy said:
I think 2023 draft will be lots of debating need over BPA as I can see Mills having a solid year but Texans being in position to draft Bryce Young. If Young takes another step forward as a true Junior it would be difficult for me to not take him and try to move Mills in a significant deal. I understand that will cause .. discussion.
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I would not be in favor of trading away a known, quality asset for an unknown, possible quality asset. If Mills is showing he has what it takes, I would prefer to build around him through the draft. Besides, we're not seeing teams offering a king's ransom for Jimmy G and, despite an injury history, has a SB and NFCCG on his resume. What makes you think another team would go all in on Mills if he's available?
 
beerlover said:
You trade the pick to QB needy team for multiple 1st rd. Picks.
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Not a 3rd rounder with college injury history and a "he got better in his 2nd season" on his resume. You only do that with a Russell Wilson type resume and production.
Hopefully Mills will be the Texans version of Wilson and we can think about making that trade in 10 years or so.
 
badboy said:
I think 2023 draft will be lots of debating need over BPA as I can see Mills having a solid year but Texans being in position to draft Bryce Young. If Young takes another step forward as a true Junior it would be difficult for me to not take him and try to move Mills in a significant deal. I understand that will cause .. discussion.
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Hmmm...if Mills has a good year, say prime Cousins or Dalton type year, do you trade Mills, and draft a Trevor Lawrence? I mean Trevor is supposed to be generational talent, but he may end up a bust. What I'm getting at is do you trade a way a known quantity (Mills) for an unknown quantity (Young or Stroud) based on what they have done in college? How many can't miss QB's have failed in the NFL? Well, we had one of them as our first QB.
 
Texian said:
I think it was in January when Lovie answered the question about being in the press box wearing a set of headphones.

When Culley and Gannon had no say in who their assistant coaches would be, Lovie walked in made it clear as the new sheriff in town that he would decide who he wanted as his assistant coaches, and so he did. The new sheriff also informed Mayor Cal at the time, that as the new sheriff he would also be responsible for all player personnel.

Mayor Cal had to break the news to Jack Easterby, that Jack and the new GM Easterby had recently hired, Nick Caserio would now answer to the new sheriff. The GM was now going to be the new Facilitator and Jack would be the spiritual counselor. Since then it has been smiles everyone, smiles, and the first new episode of Fantasy Island started filming.

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Good anything that goes wrong is now fully on Lovie.

If he fails I can't wait to see the pretzeling you will be doing to blame Caserio. Kinda like you saying Stingley wasn't a Lovie pick even though Lovie worked Stingley out.
 
steelbtexan said:
Good anything that goes wrong is now fully on Lovie.

If he fails I can't wait to see the pretzeling you will be doing to blame Caserio. Kinda like you saying Stingley wasn't a Lovie pick even though Lovie worked Stingley out.
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I never said Stingley wasn't a Lovie pick. It most certainly was Lovie's final (answer) decision, only after being convinced by defensive coaches to do so. The offensive coaches were not quite as persuasive as their counterparts but it could've easily gone their way. As a consolation, they did get their underperforming OG with less than average NFL athleticism with their next first RD pick, #15.

You won't have to wait, I can give you an answer right now. No pretzeling here. When this calamity has run its course, most likely by 2024, NLT 2025. The person responsible for this nightmare calamity will start it all over again, assembling a whole new set of executives to be the Knights of the Kirby Boardroom RoundTable, that is if he is not forced to sell his Game Boy before then.
 
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IDEXAN said:
Good points there LEE-B but after the way the Texans got burnt with Watson I suspect the McNairs might be even more
paranoid and therefor hyper cautious about who they are willing draft unless the Caserio-Lovie duo can convince them to
be more flexible about an elite-level talent with some off-field issues.
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Nobody saw that coming. Since being in the nfl, Houston and others haven't had any issues.
 
beerlover said:
You trade the pick to QB needy team for multiple 1st rd. Picks.
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I don't get this. By drafting another QB with a high pick, you're saying the guy you have isn't good enough. Then you turn around and say the guy you have can be acquired for "multiple 1st round picks". When the Cards took Kyler Murray 1st overall after drafting Josh Rosen the year prior, did they get back multiple 1st round picks? Or even one?

I don't get this. If Mills has a mediocre year and the Texans draft a QB with a high pick, they're not turning Mills into a big draft package. Maybe a 3rd.
 
Lucky said:
I don't get this. By drafting another QB with a high pick, you're saying the guy you have isn't good enough. Then you turn around and say the guy you have can be acquired for "multiple 1st round picks". When the Cards took Kyler Murray 1st overall after drafting Josh Rosen the year prior, did they get back multiple 1st round picks? Or even one?

I don't get this. If Mills has a mediocre year and the Texans draft a QB with a high pick, they're not turning Mills into a big draft package. Maybe a 3rd.
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I think he is saying if we have pick 1.1 then trade that pick for multiple firsts to a team who wants Bryce Young and keep Mills.

But I think Seattle will be drafting 1.1 and will get Bryce Young. Cleveland close to Seattle and will be drafting at 1.2 which we will get. I can see the Texans being in the top ten though.
 
Texian said:
I never said Stingley wasn't a Lovie pick. It most certainly was Lovie's final (answer) decision, only after being convinced by defensive coaches to do so. The offensive coaches were not quite as persuasive as their counterparts but it could've easily gone their way. As a consolation, they did get their underperforming OG with less than average NFL athleticism with their next first RD pick, #15.

You won't have to wait, I can give you an answer right now. No pretzeling here. When this calamity has run its course, most likely by 2024, NLT 2025. The person responsible for this nightmare calamity will start it all over again, assembling a whole new set of executives to be the Knights of the Kirby Boardroom RoundTable, that is if he is not forced to sell his Game Boy before then.
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The last paragraph I agree with.

I also think Green is going to be a very good player for a long time.
 
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