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Nick Caserio - New GM

austins23

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I would say that is actually more common than many know, and honestly its really common in any field. Even Patton had people advising him before went into a battle. Besides it could be worse, Brown's owner took the advice of a homeless man in drafting Johnny Football.
Patton was surrounded by great people. The Browns owner at the time was looking for a miracle (or he had had too much scotch). I get your point, but Cal, well.....you know.
 
Your subcontractor scenario is common in the non-NFL world. If we have contract personnel under a 3, 6 or 12 month contract, we cannot hire them during their contract or even 12 to 24 months after their contract expires. However, I don't think the NFL works that way. I'm under the impression that similar to assistant coaches, executives are allowed to leave for a promotion while under contract. Wasn't Caserio under contract with the Patriots when he signed with the Texans? For example. Terry Fontenont spent one year as the Saints' vice president/assistant general manager for pro personnel. Atlanta hired him as their GM.

If Belichick is the GM and Caserio is the Director of player personnel. Even if he's under contract, isn't that a promotion? So, how is a promotion tampering? Again, I'm reading that Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio. My point is Caserio interviewed with the Dolphins in 2014. He turned down the 49ers interview request in 2018. So, why didn't Bob McNair hire him? Since he wanted to hire him for a long time?

Not trying to rehash or beat a dead horse. But this seems to be another one of these statements that constantly gets repeated and becomes a TT narrative/truth without any logic or proof.
It actually is more complicated than that, basically NFL rules state that you can't stop someone from being hired for a higher ranked position so an OC leaving to be a HC for example. Now here is where it gets complicated and the Pats do what the Pats do. See everyone knows BB is the GM but if you look at the official titles he is the "de facto" GM which legally means he has the power of a GM but is not the official GM. This gives the Pats a lot of play room because they were able to say that the Texans GM position was not actually a promotion for Caserio and therefore they could block it. It was a BS argument and was a loophole in the NFL rules, many people thought if the Texans fought it then they could get it overturned. Personally I would have liked to see them do so but I also understand why they wouldn't, there was a chance they would lose and have to give Pats draft picks. Given how much NFL favors the Pats, particularly over a team like the Texans, it was a valid fear. Might as well wait the year he had left and then hire him when he is free and clear, sadly that also led to OB being made GM.

As a side note after that whole fiasco the NFL changed the rules to close that loophole and the Pats renegotiated Caserio's contract to fully outline his duties and Caserio made sure to have a clause put in that he could leave at anytime.
 
Patton was surrounded by great people. The Browns owner at the time was looking for a miracle (or he had had too much scotch). I get your point, but Cal, well.....you know.
Oh I do but I would rather an idiot that knows he's an idiot and asks others what he should do versus an idiot that thinks he's a genius and charges ahead. I'm not yet sure Cal is the first but at least there is some evidence he's not the second.
 

steelbtexan

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The stretch Mahomes just went through, you were mighty quiet. I like Mahomes, Andy Reid moved up higher to get his guy. Andy Reid is regarded as an offensive genius. Look at all the qbs who had career years. Hell, Smith best years was under Andy Reid. Your envy for Watson is and always have been front and center. Nobody, you included had no idea he was having those problems. Mahomes wouldn't have fixed the terrible play calling and design by O'Brien. We saw what happened in the superbowl when Mahomes was under constant pressure too. Guess what, Watson played under that same pressure almost every game.

It wasn't. If the gm hires the coach, why wouldn't the emphasis be put on having a minority gm 1st? Of all the people, Culley? You honestly think if they were really trying to appease Watson, they would Culley ? See, i can tell you dont have black friends, you just know a couple of black people. Straight up
Look at who all of the candidates were. That tells you all you need to know. This was a mandate from ownership before Caserio was even hired.

Wrong, I grew up playing with my best friend on a farm. My best friend who I'm still close with today happens to be an African American. Love him to death.

I also played basketball ball on Sunday afternoon with 50 African Americans and I was the only white guy there sometimes. Many of these people are still friends of mine.

This has served me well throughout the years. As with my profession, I mainly serve African American customers. Serving the nursing home and Section 8 housing communities. I've made many friends throughout the yrs in these situations. They've helped my family have a better life and I'm truly grateful to them.

Frankly I'm offended that I have to put down in a post my qualifications for the I only know a couple of African Americans. It's sickening.

I've got to get back to work and will answer your Mahomes post later.

Have a great day.
 

thunderkyss

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IMO, this right there is the problem. Cal having to ask prior NFL coaches/people who he should hire. This clown has ZERO idea what he is doing. Reminds me of a quote his ol man said back in the day, "The inmates are running the asylum." Or something like that.
At the time most of us applauded him for getting football advice from football people.





 

thunderkyss

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Now here is where it gets complicated and the Pats do what the Pats do. See everyone knows BB is the GM but if you look at the official titles he is the "de facto" GM which legally means he has the power of a GM but is not the official GM
It's much simpler than that. The Pats had a clause that superceded the NFL rule, making Caserio exclusively a Patriot employee. He was not allowed to leave under any circumstance.
 
It's much simpler than that. The Pats had a clause that superceded the NFL rule, making Caserio exclusively a Patriot employee. He was not allowed to leave under any circumstance.
Actually no, contracts are not allowed to supersede NFL rules, if they try the league fines and takes away picks like a a mother punishing her kids. The league and the players union kept a pretty short lease on the individual teams and its only when all the owners agree, or at least a majority, that they start overriding things.
 

Earl34

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It actually is more complicated than that, basically NFL rules state that you can't stop someone from being hired for a higher ranked position so an OC leaving to be a HC for example. Now here is where it gets complicated and the Pats do what the Pats do. See everyone knows BB is the GM but if you look at the official titles he is the "de facto" GM which legally means he has the power of a GM but is not the official GM. This gives the Pats a lot of play room because they were able to say that the Texans GM position was not actually a promotion for Caserio and therefore they could block it. It was a BS argument and was a loophole in the NFL rules, many people thought if the Texans fought it then they could get it overturned. Personally I would have liked to see them do so but I also understand why they wouldn't, there was a chance they would lose and have to give Pats draft picks. Given how much NFL favors the Pats, particularly over a team like the Texans, it was a valid fear. Might as well wait the year he had left and then hire him when he is free and clear, sadly that also led to OB being made GM.

As a side note after that whole fiasco the NFL changed the rules to close that loophole and the Pats renegotiated Caserio's contract to fully outline his duties and Caserio made sure to have a clause put in that he could leave at anytime.
I agree with this post and the details you provided. My issue is not with your post but the posters who claim Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio.

How can they make that claim when there are no references that before his death, he ever requested permission from the Patriots or was denied permission. It appears the only time the Texans were denied permission was after his death when Easterby initiated contact with Caserio without submitting a formal request.
 
I agree with this post and the details you provided. My issue is not with your post but the posters who claim Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio.

How can they make that claim when there are no references that before his death, he ever requested permission from the Patriots or was denied permission. It appears the only time the Texans were denied permission was after his death when Easterby initiated contact with Caserio without submitting a formal request.
I wouldn't say "always" but there were several people that said he was the top of the GM pick in the last couple of years of McNair's life. Now Bob McNair was never going to hire another GM with Rick Smith as GM, particularly not in 2014, so I agree Caserio may have only been vaguely on McNair's radar at that point. Likewise I also agree with @steelbtexan that by the time they hired Gaines his health was already failing and going after a new GM just wasn't a priority for him so he just hired Gaines and went on with his, in hindsight, short life. Cal certainly got the idea from somewhere and no it wasn't from Easterby because they did request to interview Caserio, and were denied, before they hired Easterby. @thunderkyss had put forward the theory that Easterby was actually hired to try and entice Caserio to come to Houston as both he and OB were personal friends of Caserio and personally I buy that more than I do that Easterby was Rasputin for the Texans or was brought in to clean house.

Its like the old school of hiring the kid of an employee because you really want to keep that employee happy.
 

thunderkyss

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How can they make that claim when there are no references that before his death, he ever requested permission from the Patriots or was denied permission. It appears the only time the Texans were denied permission was after his death when Easterby initiated contact with Caserio without submitting a formal request.
In the article I posted it references Bob wanting to interview Caserio in 2018.

Here’s another one

New England rejected Houston's request to interview Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Monti Ossenfort for the Texans' general manager job, and the Eagles told the Texans the same about their vice president of player personnel, Joe Douglas, a league source told ESPN.
 

76Texan

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In the article I posted it references Bob wanting to interview Caserio in 2018.

Here’s another one

New England rejected Houston's request to interview Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Monti Ossenfort for the Texans' general manager job, and the Eagles told the Texans the same about their vice president of player personnel, Joe Douglas, a league source told ESPN.
In that same article, it said Caserio was allowed to talk to the Niners in 2017.

I believe a team have to wait until the play-offs to be over if they don't get the OK from the other team during the season.

(I understand your point was only that Texans had requested but the Pats denied it.)
 

Earl34

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In the article I posted it references Bob wanting to interview Caserio in 2018.

Here’s another one

New England rejected Houston's request to interview Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Monti Ossenfort for the Texans' general manager job, and the Eagles told the Texans the same about their vice president of player personnel, Joe Douglas, a league source told ESPN.
Thanks for the links. It answered my questions. I will now drop this conversation.
 

Double Barrel

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The lesson to take from this is that Cal McNair seems unable to form his own thoughts and implement a vision for this franchise. He's just going to do what daddy would have done, or at least thinks what he would have done.

One of the last things Bob McNair tried to do before he got sicker was hire Caserio. So, of course, Cal made that his sole mission to fulfill.

One of the reasons he probably hired the pastor was believing that he had insider access to Caserio, which ultimately blew up in his face in the summer of 2019. But, a little public humiliation for acting bush league was a small price to pay for a very much coveted executive asset.
 

Texansballer74

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Your subcontractor scenario is common in the non-NFL world. If we have contract personnel under a 3, 6 or 12 month contract, we cannot hire them during their contract or even 12 to 24 months after their contract expires. However, I don't think the NFL works that way. I'm under the impression that similar to assistant coaches, executives are allowed to leave for a promotion while under contract. Wasn't Caserio under contract with the Patriots when he signed with the Texans? For example. Terry Fontenont spent one year as the Saints' vice president/assistant general manager for pro personnel. Atlanta hired him as their GM.

If Belichick is the GM and Caserio is the Director of player personnel. Even if he's under contract, isn't that a promotion? So, how is a promotion tampering? Again, I'm reading that Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio. My point is Caserio interviewed with the Dolphins in 2014. He turned down the 49ers interview request in 2018. So, why didn't Bob McNair hire him? Since he wanted to hire him for a long time?

Not trying to rehash or beat a dead horse. But this seems to be another one of these statements that constantly gets repeated and becomes a TT narrative/truth without any logic or proof.
Robert Kraft was trying to hit them with tampering. McNair (late) backed away.
 

Double Barrel

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Robert Kraft was trying to hit them with tampering. McNair (late) backed away.
This is the Patriots playing 3D chess while the Texans were thinking it was Candyland.

Caserio was obviously a part of the Patriots machine, but making it appear like he was so integral to their operations gave the impression that he was much more valuable than he really was.

So the Pats could eventually let him go to another team knowing that he'd never saw the true big picture because Belichick only gives out the puzzle pieces that is applicable to your job in the organization.

Caserio no longer has a great owner like Kraft or a GOAT HC, and it makes you wonder if he can overcome such a massive jump to the pits of NFL hell.
 

Double Barrel

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Is it any different for any “successful” candidate?

None of these guys are slam dunks. Most fail.
I don't disagree, especially when they are albatrossed with Kyle and Jack.

My own jury is still out on Caserio (and will be for a while), but let's be honest, so far there's been nothing overly impressive.
 

Texansballer74

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The main problem im having with Caserio is these freaking roster changes twice a darn week. That crap is getting out of hands. Then he’s becoming annoying with his weekly interviews. Why do he have to do interviews every freaking week. To me he’s also seem to be another smartest guy in the room type.
 
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powda

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I like the weekly interview. Even though it's a safe interview it's more than what our other GMs have done.

I don't get the "smartest guy in the room" vibe, though he is well versed in coachspeak.
I like the gm exposure to the public as well. I do see a smart guy outsmarting himself sometimes if that makes sense.

I'm OK with him making lots of moves when necessary and I won't fault him for being active and tinkering. I'm probably not educated enough to have an opinion on his cap management yet ,but it looks average so far.

I don't like that our currency is 6th round picks for any possible trade. I don't like how little he values late round picks and sacrifices them so willingly. On a team this absent of talent, I don't want to see trading a 6 away for a player we cut 2 months later. That's probably my biggest complaint so far.
 

Texansballer74

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I like the weekly interview. Even though it's a safe interview it's more than what our other GMs have done.

I don't get the "smartest guy in the room" vibe, though he is well versed in coachspeak.
That's the way he comes off on his interviews when he telling them how things should work or how he evaluates players.

I was all for that, then we're seeing all these roster changes.

And all of the hand gestures when he's explaining stuff is annoying to me now.

I guess that's on me because I don't like that along with people who have to touch when they're talking. My brother has that crap bad. Lol
 

CWTexansFan

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That's the way he comes off on his interviews when he telling them how things should work or how he evaluates players.

I was all for that, then we're seeing all these roster changes.

And all of the hand gestures when he's explaining stuff is annoying to me now.

I guess that's on me because I don't like that along with people who have to touch when they're talking. My brother has that crap bad. Lol
You don't like autism?
This don't seem like you.
 

welsh texan

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A little late season review of the draft is in order.

Mills, thrown into a key role with zero support. No running game, awful play calling, no play makers beyond Cooks.
Good pick in the 3rd with a chance to develop.

Collins and Jordan have both flashed, could develop into key players.

Wallow and Lopez both flashed also, with Wallow getting his chance now late in the season and looking like a player.

That is looking like a pretty solid draft considering where we were picking.
 

IDEXAN

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A little late season review of the draft is in order.

Mills, thrown into a key role with zero support. No running game, awful play calling, no play makers beyond Cooks.
Good pick in the 3rd with a chance to develop.

Collins and Jordan have both flashed, could develop into key players.

Wallow and Lopez both flashed also, with Wallow getting his chance now late in the season and looking like a player.

That is looking like a pretty solid draft considering where we were picking.
Totally agree here because that's a descent group of rookies given there was not a single opportunity to draft higher than the third round, I mean talk about a GM having his hands tied behind his back in a Draft.
Anyway 2022 will be the new GMs first real Draft with enough ammo to make his mark.
 

Speedy

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A little late season review of the draft is in order.

Mills, thrown into a key role with zero support. No running game, awful play calling, no play makers beyond Cooks.
Good pick in the 3rd with a chance to develop.

Collins and Jordan have both flashed, could develop into key players.

Wallow and Lopez both flashed also, with Wallow getting his chance now late in the season and looking like a player.

That is looking like a pretty solid draft considering where we were picking.
I don’t know what these flashes are you’re seeing. Wallow hasn’t even been on the field until the last 2 games, and even then playing around 30% of the snaps. Lopez has 12 tackles in 13 games.

Nico is averaging 4 targets per game and still searching for his 1st NFL TD.

Jordan has shown some promise once they finally put him on the field, but no more than Jordan Akins or Jordan Thomas before him in their 1st seasons.

And yes, Mills has a lot of awfulness around him and maybe the experience makes it come together for him at some point, but that doesn’t mean he’s not part of the problem as well. Just makes it a lot more difficult to judge.

So I wouldn’t go around passing out gold stars on this draft quite yet.
 

beerlover

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The hopeful review and sobering review of Texans 2021 Draft Class.

Caserio also signed over 30 players to one year contracts. Who from that free agent class will be here next season? Hard to have continuity with so much uncertainty.

Texans cap next season, besides current player contracts is projected to be 175 million with over 33 million dead cap. On a positive note the NFL is bumping salary cap ceiling up over 200 million.

Saying all that, to say this, last years draft class was merely a blip on the radar. Not home runs but no turds either. WIP.
 

thunderkyss

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Lopez has 12 tackles in 13 games.
Lopez has definitely slowed down the last three games or so. I wonder if he's hit his rookie wall.

Same with Greenard. I know he's not a rookie, just thinking out loud. Greenard has seemed to have disappeared.
 
That's the way he comes off on his interviews when he telling them how things should work or how he evaluates players.

I was all for that, then we're seeing all these roster changes.

And all of the hand gestures when he's explaining stuff is annoying to me now.

I guess that's on me because I don't like that along with people who have to touch when they're talking. My brother has that crap bad. Lol
You’re kind of nit picking TB. Of course he’s going to say one thing even if he’s going to do another. Jerry Jones does a radio show about the cowboys and, basing on what I have been told because I wouldn’t listen to it myself if it was the last thing on the radio, he was praising the previous HC just before firing him. GMs, owners and HC double speak all the time, it’s part of the job.

Also the talking with his hands is very common, I do it myself, and most people can’t help it.
 

steelbtexan

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The hopeful review and sobering review of Texans 2021 Draft Class.

Caserio also signed over 30 players to one year contracts. Who from that free agent class will be here next season? Hard to have continuity with so much uncertainty.

Texans cap next season, besides current player contracts is projected to be 175 million with over 33 million dead cap. On a positive note the NFL is bumping salary cap ceiling up over 200 million.

Saying all that, to say this, last years draft class was merely a blip on the radar. Not home runs but no turds either. WIP.
Which FA"s do you think stay or are re-signed?

Lane Taylor/, Burkhead/KGH/Collins/Thomas is already re-signed.
 

TheRealJoker

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The hopeful review and sobering review of Texans 2021 Draft Class.

Caserio also signed over 30 players to one year contracts. Who from that free agent class will be here next season? Hard to have continuity with so much uncertainty.

Texans cap next season, besides current player contracts is projected to be 175 million with over 33 million dead cap. On a positive note the NFL is bumping salary cap ceiling up over 200 million.

Saying all that, to say this, last years draft class was merely a blip on the radar. Not home runs but no turds either. WIP.
Texans necessarily can’t bring back majority of those 30 players signed to one year deals. First, because they will finally have premium picks available in draft. And that’s before we consider Watson being traded this offseason.

Also, because you need roster turnover when you have one of the 5 worst teams in the league like the Texans.

Last, because average career in NFL is about 3 years. There will be significant turnover.

I agree with Steel’s list of returns. If the team can retain about 8-10 of the 30 they signed then they’re doing alright. They have the draft capital to upgrade the roster this upcoming season. Depending on how possible trade of Watson and even Tunsil goes, they’ll get even more.

Last offseason was a heavy cheap free agent year but I suspect this offseason will be draft heavy to line out the roster with rookie contracts while still purging the bloated contracts/dead money from the roster to be clean in 2023.
 

Texian

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I like the weekly interview. Even though it's a safe interview it's more than what our other GMs have done.

I don't get the "smartest guy in the room" vibe, though he is well versed in coachspeak.
You could go thru another quart if you had to take a drink every time he said "process".
 

Thorn

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......... And that’s before we consider Watson being traded this offseason.
Need to quit this line of thinking, as we may end up getting nothing for him. Except him getting kicked out of the NFL and we don't have to pay for his contract. Which will more than likely be the only positive thing coming from the Watson situation.
 
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steelbtexan

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Texans necessarily can’t bring back majority of those 30 players signed to one year deals. First, because they will finally have premium picks available in draft. And that’s before we consider Watson being traded this offseason.

Also, because you need roster turnover when you have one of the 5 worst teams in the league like the Texans.

Last, because average career in NFL is about 3 years. There will be significant turnover.

I agree with Steel’s list of returns. If the team can retain about 8-10 of the 30 they signed then they’re doing alright. They have the draft capital to upgrade the roster this upcoming season. Depending on how possible trade of Watson and even Tunsil goes, they’ll get even more.

Last offseason was a heavy cheap free agent year but I suspect this offseason will be draft heavy to line out the roster with rookie contracts while still purging the bloated contracts/dead money from the roster to be clean in 2023.
Agreed

I also hope Caserio can continue to find 3-4 cheap fa contributors like KGH/Smith/Thomas to add to the draft picks.
 

Mr teX

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Wallow's....gets swallowed up when those tackles get onto him. Was specifically targeted last week against the jags. He's quick as ****, but i can't see him as a starter..too small.

Lopez...i don't see anything from him despite the high praise I've heard from individuals on certain sports radio shows here in town.

Nico is flashing as best here & there...needs to get better chemistry with Mills

Jordan - stud in the making i believe

Mills - see thread, but abbreviated version is he's 50/50 at best to become an average to good starting qb...don't know if that's good enough for some here who think he should be playing like Tom Brady as rookie....
 

Rich Schmidt

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Wallow's....gets swallowed up when those tackles get onto him. Was specifically targeted last week against the jags. He's quick as ****, but i can't see him as a starter..too small.

Lopez...i don't see anything from him despite the high praise I've heard from individuals on certain sports radio shows here in town.

Nico is flashing as best here & there...needs to get better chemistry with Mills

Jordan - stud in the making i believe

Mills - see thread, but abbreviated version is he's 50/50 at best to become an average to good starting qb...don't know if that's good enough for some here who think he should be playing like Tom Brady as rookie....
He is small, but so is Darius Leonard. The new NFL leans more to speed then thumpers, but we do play the Titans twice per year and those thumpers were handy then. I want to see more of Wallow, finally had some reasonable LB pass coverage and dude can run sideline to sideline. He also seems happy to hit anything that moves
 

Number19

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Wallow's....gets swallowed up when those tackles get onto him. Was specifically targeted last week against the jags. He's quick as ****, but i can't see him as a starter..too small.

Lopez...i don't see anything from him despite the high praise I've heard from individuals on certain sports radio shows here in town.

Nico is flashing as best here & there...needs to get better chemistry with Mills

Jordan - stud in the making i believe

Mills - see thread, but abbreviated version is he's 50/50 at best to become an average to good starting qb...don't know if that's good enough for some here who think he should be playing like Tom Brady as rookie....
I keep reading that Wallow is too small. What is meant by "small"? Too short? Because at 230 lbs plus it sure isn't his weight. So is 6'-2" too short?
 

Number19

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He doesn't look 6'2" I was thinking 5'10"
If you look at Mockdraftable, there is an asterisk by his measurements, which are sources other than combine (are from his pro day). His height, 6'-1 5/8" (pro day rounded down to 6'-1 1/2") may have been rounded up. But current sources (NFL and Texans) give his weight as 230 lbs and his height as 6'-2". Also, in an interview, talking about Wallow, Culley said that Wallow has gotten bigger and stronger this season. If he's added muscle mass during the season, I was wondering if he may have added a few pounds as well; maybe a few pounds more than 230?
 

76Texan

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If you look at Mockdraftable, there is an asterisk by his measurements, which are sources other than combine (are from his pro day). His height, 6'-1 5/8" (pro day rounded down to 6'-1 1/2") may have been rounded up. But current sources (NFL and Texans) give his weight as 230 lbs and his height as 6'-2". Also, in an interview, talking about Wallow, Culley said that Wallow has gotten bigger and stronger this season. If he's added muscle mass during the season, I was wondering if he may have added a few pounds as well; maybe a few pounds more than 230?
Very likely that he had added some bulk.
Not sure he can grow taller, however.
 

ATXtexanfan

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To credit nicks draft class is pointless. There is no talent on this roster with his draft class

He also chose Tryod over Davis when Davis needed reps

He traded away our leading rusher
 

TheRealJoker

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He is small, but so is Darius Leonard. The new NFL leans more to speed then thumpers, but we do play the Titans twice per year and those thumpers were handy then. I want to see more of Wallow, finally had some reasonable LB pass coverage and dude can run sideline to sideline. He also seems happy to hit anything that moves
It’s not so much height as it is length.

Leonard has 34 3/8 inch arm length. Elite for the position which helps him disengage from blocks to make plays.

Wallow measures 30 7/8 which is t rex like for the position and the main reason he dropped to the 5th round. Hard to beat NFL blockers with short arms.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/b3wi2h
“ Something of note: 13/67 NFL LBs have Arm Lengths shorter than 32". Ironically, this list doesn't include Shaquem Griffin, but he wasn't recorded due to his unique situation (The longer arm is 32 1/8").

Of those 13 Linebackers, only 3 have been selected for the Pro Bowl. This list is Luke Kuechly at 31", Joe Schobert at 31 1/2", and Kwon Alexander at 30 1/4".

Kuechly stands to be the greatest outlier in this. At 31", his arms are shorter than you would expect of a DPOY and potential HoF LB (All previous HoF LB of the 2000's and Patrick Willis had 32" or longer arms). His rival for "best MLB in the the NFL", Bobby Wagner, has longer arms at 33”.”
 

Number19

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It’s not so much height as it is length.

Leonard has 34 3/8 inch arm length. Elite for the position which helps him disengage from blocks to make plays.

Wallow measures 30 7/8 which is t rex like for the position and the main reason he dropped to the 5th round. Hard to beat NFL blockers with short arms.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/b3wi2h
“ Something of note: 13/67 NFL LBs have Arm Lengths shorter than 32". Ironically, this list doesn't include Shaquem Griffin, but he wasn't recorded due to his unique situation (The longer arm is 32 1/8").

Of those 13 Linebackers, only 3 have been selected for the Pro Bowl. This list is Luke Kuechly at 31", Joe Schobert at 31 1/2", and Kwon Alexander at 30 1/4".

Kuechly stands to be the greatest outlier in this. At 31", his arms are shorter than you would expect of a DPOY and potential HoF LB (All previous HoF LB of the 2000's and Patrick Willis had 32" or longer arms). His rival for "best MLB in the the NFL", Bobby Wagner, has longer arms at 33”.”
I've always considered arm length for linemen, both offensively and defensively. Just didn't think to look at this for Wallow. Good read.
 


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