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Nick Caserio - New GM

Texian said:
Oh, so you think this is personal. If this was personal, I wouldn't be attacking the Preacher, Game Boy and the Kirby Boardroom with the same vitriol. If this was personal, I wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of posting several comments that chronologically list a dozen or more items of poor decision making, an absence of logic and common sense, fiscal irresponsibility and clearly illustrating all of the above. And how this triumvirate are all in over their head and do not know what they're doing. You can start by reviewing posts #2198 and #2206.
I see the Houston Texans trying to reinvent the Scott Pioli and the Kansas City Chiefs under a false illusion they are recreating Bill Belichick. Which they will never be able to do.
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I most certainly do, and right there by using the word vitriol you've left an implied admission of the intensity of your dislike for him.
Are you a Texans fan who's supportive of the team and it's long-term success or just another troll, though you certainly strike me as the latter.
 
Lucky said:
While you were proclaiming this team could challenge for the playoffs.
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No lie. TB, all summer long you were preaching to wait and see the games played while most of us could actually see with our own eyes the kind of roster that was being put together, knowing it wasn't going to be very good. You, of course, weren't buying it. I don't remember the exact time line, whether a few games had been played or not, when Caserio made his process not results comment, but you still weren't buying it. Now here we are, 2-10, their best corner was shipped out right before the season started, their best RB (and that ain't saying much) is traded because they're "doing him a solid", players getting benched, suspended, and cut right and left, and on the field they look exactly like what most of us thought they'd look like (although even I didn't think it would be this bad), and you still aren't buying it.

I don't know what else there is they can do other than to come out waving white flags before games. You obviously just don't know the meaning of tanking.

thunderkyss said:
I don't believe Caserio is tanking. I think he made the best team he could given the circumstances he had to deal with.

He went to the restructure well to many times to make cap space for decent players.

If he were tanking he'd have just ate the bad contracts & brought in as many league minimum UDFAs.
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Sure the circumstances were bad, but most of the players he brought in were guys who were either mainly special teams players with little playing time on offense or defense, or guys who saw limited snaps period. Grugier-Hill, for example, at least started 10 games in a season once, and even then he saw just 32% of the snaps. They went and got an 11 year RB who was relegated to 3rd team the year before, and made him the feature back. They're trading their best CB before the season starts. They're drafting a ******* QB in the 3rd round when they could have at least got a good player that could have helped start the rebuild.

Almost none of these players who were brought in this year, will be on this team in 3 years. A lot of them won't even be here next year, for that matter. Getting a bunch of young players in here and seeing if you can start finding some guys that can help the rebuild, and then still having a bad record is one thing. That's not what the Texans did. This wasn't a let's start the rebuild year by any means. This was a total tank from the get go.
 
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Speedy said:
No lie. TB, all summer long you were preaching to wait and see the games played while most of us could actually see with our own eyes the kind of roster that was being put together, knowing it wasn't going to be very good. You, of course, weren't buying it. I don't remember the exact time line, whether a few games had been played or not, when Caserio made his process not results comment, but you still weren't buying it. Now here we are, 2-10, their best corner was shipped out right before the season started, their best RB (and that ain't saying much) is traded because they're "doing him a solid", players getting benched, suspended, and cut right and left, and on the field they look exactly like what most of us thought they'd look like (although even I didn't think it would be this bad), and you still aren't buying it.

I don't know what else there is they can do other than to come out waving white flags before games. You obviously just don't know the meaning of tanking.



Sure the circumstances were bad, but most of the players he brought in were guys who were either mainly special teams players with little playing time on offense or defense, or guys who saw limited snaps period. Grugier-Hill, for example, at least started 10 games in a season once, and even then he saw just 32% of the snaps. They went and got an 11 year RB who was relegated to 3rd team the year before, and made him the feature back. They're trading their best CB before the season starts. They're drafting a ******* QB in the 3rd round when they could have at least got a good player that could have helped start the rebuild.

Almost none of these players who were brought in this year, will be on this team in 3 years. A lot of them won't even be here next year, for that matter. Getting a bunch of young players in here and seeing if you can start finding some guys that can help the rebuild, and then still having a bad record is one thing. That's not what the Texans did. This wasn't a let's start the rebuild year by any means. This was a total tank from the get go.
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Depending on how things turn out over the next couple of yrs, drafting Mills could be looked at as a great start to the rebuild. Time will tell and this is the beginning of that time.
 
Speedy said:
No lie. TB, all summer long you were preaching to wait and see the games played while most of us could actually see with our own eyes the kind of roster that was being put together, knowing it wasn't going to be very good. You, of course, weren't buying it. I don't remember the exact time line, whether a few games had been played or not, when Caserio made his process not results comment, but you still weren't buying it. Now here we are, 2-10, their best corner was shipped out right before the season started, their best RB (and that ain't saying much) is traded because they're "doing him a solid", players getting benched, suspended, and cut right and left, and on the field they look exactly like what most of us thought they'd look like (although even I didn't think it would be this bad), and you still aren't buying it.

I don't know what else there is they can do other than to come out waving white flags before games. You obviously just don't know the meaning of tanking.



Sure the circumstances were bad, but most of the players he brought in were guys who were either mainly special teams players with little playing time on offense or defense, or guys who saw limited snaps period. Grugier-Hill, for example, at least started 10 games in a season once, and even then he saw just 32% of the snaps. They went and got an 11 year RB who was relegated to 3rd team the year before, and made him the feature back. They're trading their best CB before the season starts. They're drafting a ******* QB in the 3rd round when they could have at least got a good player that could have helped start the rebuild.

Almost none of these players who were brought in this year, will be on this team in 3 years. A lot of them won't even be here next year, for that matter. Getting a bunch of young players in here and seeing if you can start finding some guys that can help the rebuild, and then still having a bad record is one thing. That's not what the Texans did. This wasn't a let's start the rebuild year by any means. This was a total tank from the get go.
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Agreed and badly needed.
 
IDEXAN said:
I most certainly do, and right there by using the word vitriol you've left an implied admission of the intensity of your dislike for him.
Are you a Texans fan who's supportive of the team and it's long-term success or just another troll, though you certainly strike me as the latter.
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I'm a Texans fan who does has no stomach or tolerance for ignorance, stupidity or incompetence.
I have no animosities towards Nick Caserio. I have a great disdain for Nick Caserio the GM, who has proven without a shadow of doubt that he is in way over his head and has no clue to what he's doing. I was smart enough to be able to step away from the Kool Aid a long time ago.

READ posts #2198 and #2206 for the reality of the situation. You may have to fast and go without drinking Kool Aid for 24 hours to become objective enough to see how things truly are, not how you want them to be.
 
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Lucky said:
Is Nick hooked up to a polygraph and high voltage electrodes?

I think I would ask a very simple question: What have you learned in your first year as an NFL GM? I would be able to determine a lot about the future of this team by his answer.
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You can watch any Caserio video to get your answer, it all about the process and sticking to it.
 
Texian said:
I'm a Texans fan who does has no stomach or tolerance for ignorance, stupidity or incompetence.
I have no animosities towards Nick Caserio. I have a great disdain for Nick Caserio the GM, who has proven without a shadow of doubt that he is in way over his head and has no clue to what he's doing. I was smart enough to be able to step away from the Kool Aid a long time ago.

READ posts #2198 and #2206 for the reality of the situation. You may have to fast and go without drinking Kool Aid for 24 hours to become objective enough to see how things truly are, not how you want them to be.
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I admit there's been a couple of puzzling moves, early on there was the decision to retain Johnson (RB), but if you were smart enough as you claim to avoid the Kool-aid then perhaps you should also be smart enough to avoid hitting the panic-button this early in the hire.
 
Lucky said:
Is Nick hooked up to a polygraph and high voltage electrodes?

I think I would ask a very simple question: What have you learned in your first year as an NFL GM? I would be able to determine a lot about the future of this team by his answer.
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I like it !
 
Lucky said:
There are instances. The 2020 Jags dumped about every decent vet player on their roster for draft choices. The 2021 Lions traded their vet QB for draft choices and a failed #1 overall QB. The Browns in 2017 traded for Brock Osweiler's salary for a 2nd round pick. No one trades for that salary and is trying to win.

Some of many situations where teams sacrifice the present for the future. The 90's Cowboys and the Herschel Walker trade? Maybe you've heard of that? It happens.
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So where's our Hershel Walker trade? There's actually a much stronger case to be made ob was tanking over the current regime.

When and how do we differentiate a team making a stupid decision vs a deliberate effort to fail? And is your conclusion to that question relevant to a team with limited picks and less interest from marquee free agents then other teams? We all knew this was going to be a terrible year. Maybe you heard?

We might have our version of the "Bush bowl" later this season or cast aside Watson for pennies on the dollar. That hasn't happened yet.

I have yet to see any concrete evidence on a tank season ,and I strongly suspect guys like Casserio and Culley didn't work for decades to acquire their positions just to have one.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Spent too much money for a total tank.

I don't know what he was trying to do, but he spent too much money for a tank job.
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Money has nothing to do with it. Quality of talent does.

And spending the money he did for this type of talent doesn't give me much confidence going forward.
 
Speedy said:
They went and got an 11 year RB who was relegated to 3rd team the year before, and made him the feature back. They're trading their best CB before the season starts. They're drafting a ******* QB in the 3rd round when they could have at least got a good player that could have helped start the rebuild.
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An inspired post and I like your writing. Trouble is, I don't agree with any of it.

You mention Ingram and how they must've been tanking to sign him. Then your mad they traded him because they're tanking.

Can't be both. Which is it? Lil contradictory sir.

I hated the Roby trade to. But he was an overpriced middle aged player on suspension. He's no future Hof'er and it seems the bulk of your argument rests here.

Then your mad they drafted a qb? What did you expect them to do? They needed leverage and insurance for the dw fiasco. What new coaching staff wouldn't draft a rookie qb in their situation? There's almost a stronger tank argument to be made if they didn't draft Mills. I applauded the pick the second they made it even if he turns out to be Dave Ragone.
 
powda said:
I have yet to see any concrete evidence on a tank season ,and I strongly suspect guys like Casserio an Culley didn't work for decades to acquire their positions just to have one.
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I don't think you'll ever see concrete evidence nor any verbal admission of tanking of any team anywhere. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen
 
We'd see cap space get bigger due to cheaper than cheap payroll & an accumulation of draft picks.
 
powda said:

When and how do we differentiate a team making a stupid decision vs a deliberate effort to fail? And is your conclusion to that question relevant to a team with limited picks and less interest from marquee free agents then other teams? We all knew this was going to be a terrible year. Maybe you heard?
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powda said:
And poor decisions don't mean a tank did happen.
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I would rather believe in tanking vs bad decision making. Bad decision making is far worse than tanking and if this is the case then this team will be doomed.
 
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This is an option for Texans at QB.

Draft and hope you get lucky or get a guy for the next 2 years that has shown he can win and still has upside.

He may be the Matt Schaub or Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 
steelbtexan said:
Except Bob McNair wanted to hire Caserio before Easterby entered the doors down on Kirby.
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But there were reports that the Texans was going to hire Khan, until Easterby stepped in and convinced McNair to go with Caserio. I think that's what Texian was referring to. If Easterby didn't step in, then Omar Khan would be the GM right now.
 
dream_team said:
But there were reports that the Texans was going to hire Khan, until Easterby stepped in and convinced McNair to go with Caserio. I think that's what Texian was referring to. If Easterby didn't step in, then Omar Khan would be the GM right now.
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"Step in" has such bad connotations.

What if Cal was struggling with the decision, was leaning towards Khan. Then went to pray about it, realized he believes none of the new candidates are "better" than Caserio. The only reason he doesn't want to hire Caserio was because he didn't want to be "his daddy's boy."

Easterby tells him to block out all the "noise" & listen to his heart.
 
Texian said:
.None of this changes the fact that Easterby is still responsible for the hiring of the File Clerk.
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If you say so.

Who's plane did Cal and Easterby go on to pick up Caserio? Who signs the checks and Cal finished what his dad was trying to do before his death. This really isn't hard to understand.

BTW, no need to be so snippy. We just disagree and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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dream_team said:
But there were reports that the Texans was going to hire Khan, until Easterby stepped in and convinced McNair to go with Caserio. I think that's what Texian was referring to. If Easterby didn't step in, then Omar Khan would be the GM right now.
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There were also reports that Dungy and Jimmy Johnson told Cal that he should go with his gut. It appears Cal did just that.
 
thunderkyss said:
"Step in" has such bad connotations.

What if Cal was struggling with the decision, was leaning towards Khan. Then went to pray about it, realized he believes none of the new candidates are "better" than Caserio. The only reason he doesn't want to hire Caserio was because he didn't want to be "his daddy's boy."

Easterby tells him to block out all the "noise" & listen to his heart.
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Of course none of us really knows what happened, but from two different articles ...

As Is mentioned in my previous piece covering this ongoing saga, it’s believed both by several NFL analysts (and myself) that Texans executive Jack Easterby was behind the abrupt hire of a former Patriots buddy in order to secure his job in Houston for the future.
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Frankly, the disarray traces exclusively to Easterby. He was losing power and influence. Some believed he could end up being fired. The prevailing story in league circles is that, as the team was closing in on hiring one of the Korn Ferry finalists, Easterby went to owner Cal McNair’s house and talked him into hiring Caserio.
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steelbtexan said:
Except Bob McNair wanted to hire Caserio before Easterby entered the doors down on Kirby.
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thunderkyss said:
Yeah... none of those take into account the Texans were after Caserio well before Easterby was in Houston.

They sound like clickbait
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Bob McNair could have hired Caserio at any time before he died. Why hire Gaine and not Caserio? Why not fire Rick Smith with Kubiak and hire Caserio?

Simple question. Why didn't he hire Caserio? He had plenty of opportunities.
 
Earl34 said:
Bob McNair could have hired Caserio at any time before he died. Why hire Gaine and not Caserio? Why not fire Rick Smith with Kubiak and hire Caserio?

Simple question. Why didn't he hire Caserio? He had plenty of opportunities.
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Remember Mr. McNair was very ill at the time.

Interviewing GM's was probably very low on his priority list at the time. So I'm guessing he just went with the in house guy. Easiest path and frankly even though I've been 1 of Bob McNair's harshest critics, I dont blame him at all for taking this path. I can only imagine what he went through.
 
dream_team said:
But there were reports that the Texans was going to hire Khan, until Easterby stepped in and convinced McNair to go with Caserio. I think that's what Texian was referring to. If Easterby didn't step in, then Omar Khan would be the GM right now.
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There was no real sources that said that, it was Adam Schefter that said that and he didn’t even cite unnamed sources, just pulled it out of his backside. He also said Louis Riddick, a man who had no business even applying for the job, was a close second.

The only real reason people have for saying that is he was the top pick of the firm Korn Ferry. Of course this is the same firm that recommended Bill O’Brian as HC so no clue why so many seem upset Cal ignored their advice.

Caserio had been Bob McNair’s hand picked GM before he died and then the Texans almost got slapped with tampering charges for trying to hire him early. Yet people are buying this story that it was Easterby that convinced Cal and that it was a surprise move. Hell even people on here like @CloakNNNdagger were saying Caserio would be the GM at least a year before he was actually hired.

The bigger surprise would have been them NOT hiring Caserio.
 
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Earl34 said:
Bob McNair could have hired Caserio at any time before he died. Why hire Gaine and not Caserio? Why not fire Rick Smith with Kubiak and hire Caserio?

Simple question. Why didn't he hire Caserio? He had plenty of opportunities.
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Company I work for got slapped with a lawsuit because they tried to directly hire a 10 dollar an hour worker from a subcontractor. Can you even begin to imagine the legal penalties for trying to hire an upper executive under contract. That doesn’t even begin to add in what the NFL would slap them with.

But logic and the law do not fit the Caserio, Easterby and Cal narrative so not sure why I’m still :deadhorse
 
maverick512000 said:
Company I work for got slapped with a lawsuit because they tried to directly hire a 10 dollar an hour worker from a subcontractor. Can you even begin to imagine the legal penalties for trying to hire an upper executive under contract. That doesn’t even begin to add in what the NFL would slap them with.

But logic and the law do not fit the Caserio, Easterby and Cal narrative so not sure why I’m still :deadhorse
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I'm with you, after the BOB experience you would think some of the same posters that are crying about Cal not following Porn Fairy's advice should be extremely happy. But they're not, wonder why?

Looking back, Cal took BOB/Easterby's advice not to trade a 1st rd pick (Howard) for Caserio. I'm glad this time Cal did what HOF'ers Johnson/Dungy told him he should do. Go with his gut. Right or Wrong
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm with you, after the BOB experience you would think some of the same posters that are crying about Cal not following Porn Fairy's advice should be extremely happy. But they're not, wonder why?

Looking back, Cal took BOB/Easterby's advice not to trade a 1st rd pick (Howard) for Caserio. I'm glad this time Cal did what HOF'ers Johnson/Dungy told him he should do. Go with his gut. Right or Wrong
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Why did he lie about this search group and included all these people who were surprised about it?
 
maverick512000 said:
Company I work for got slapped with a lawsuit because they tried to directly hire a 10 dollar an hour worker from a subcontractor. Can you even begin to imagine the legal penalties for trying to hire an upper executive under contract. That doesn’t even begin to add in what the NFL would slap them with.

But logic and the law do not fit the Caserio, Easterby and Cal narrative so not sure why I’m still :deadhorse
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Your subcontractor scenario is common in the non-NFL world. If we have contract personnel under a 3, 6 or 12 month contract, we cannot hire them during their contract or even 12 to 24 months after their contract expires. However, I don't think the NFL works that way. I'm under the impression that similar to assistant coaches, executives are allowed to leave for a promotion while under contract. Wasn't Caserio under contract with the Patriots when he signed with the Texans? For example. Terry Fontenont spent one year as the Saints' vice president/assistant general manager for pro personnel. Atlanta hired him as their GM.

If Belichick is the GM and Caserio is the Director of player personnel. Even if he's under contract, isn't that a promotion? So, how is a promotion tampering? Again, I'm reading that Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio. My point is Caserio interviewed with the Dolphins in 2014. He turned down the 49ers interview request in 2018. So, why didn't Bob McNair hire him? Since he wanted to hire him for a long time?

Not trying to rehash or beat a dead horse. But this seems to be another one of these statements that constantly gets repeated and becomes a TT narrative/truth without any logic or proof.
 
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Earl34 said:
If Belichick is the GM and Caserio is the Director of player personnel. Even if he's under contract, isn't that a promotion? So, how is a promotion tampering? Again, I'm reading that Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio. My point is Caserio interviewed with the Dolphins in 2014. He turned down the 49ers interview request in 2018. So, why didn't Bob McNair hire him? Since he wanted to hire him for a long time?
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I think it's all about getting permission to talk to person under contract... Patriots denied permission
The New England Patriots have filed tampering charges against the Texans related to their attempted GM hire of Pats director of player personnel Nick Caserio, a source told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport. ESPN first reported the news.
The NFL's definition of tampering reads as follows: "The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.
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JB said:
I think it's all about getting permission to talk to person under contract... Patriots denied permission
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Didn't they deny the permission after Easterby illegally contacted Caserio at the party? My point being. If Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio, did he ever seek permission and was denied?
 
Earl34 said:
Didn't they deny the permission after Easterby illegally contacted Caserio at the party? My point being. If Bob McNair always wanted to hire Caserio, did he ever seek permission and was denied?
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That's why they filed tampering... they hadn't given permission before the ring party
 
Earl34 said:
If Belichick is the GM and Caserio is the Director of player personnel. Even if he's under contract, isn't that a promotion?
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Caserio was different. There was a clause in his contract specifically denying him any possiblity of leaving the Patriots. It's questionable that Caserio even knew it was there.

This was reported 2019

And to prevent Caserio from leaving, the Patriots had to enforce a clause in his contract and file tampering charges.
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This marks the second straight year that the Patriots have had to block Caserio from interviewing with the Texans. Last year, they also blocked college scouting director Monti Ossenfort from interviewing for the same job.
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steelbtexan said:
There were also reports that Dungy and Jimmy Johnson told Cal that he should go with his gut. It appears Cal did just that.
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IMO, this right there is the problem. Cal having to ask prior NFL coaches/people who he should hire. This clown has ZERO idea what he is doing. Reminds me of a quote his ol man said back in the day, "The inmates are running the asylum." Or something like that.
 
austins23 said:
IMO, this right there is the problem. Cal having to ask prior NFL coaches/people who he should hire. This clown has ZERO idea what he is doing. Reminds me of a quote his ol man said back in the day, "The inmates are running the asylum." Or something like that.
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I would say that is actually more common than many know, and honestly its really common in any field. Even Patton had people advising him before went into a battle. Besides it could be worse, Brown's owner took the advice of a homeless man in drafting Johnny Football.
 
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