Yes the McNair's are dumb people. Just remember when you hire somebody, you have to think about how it's going to go down when you have to fire them. Culley was the path of least resistance.
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Is It time to fire David Culley after 1 year?
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Yes the McNair's are dumb people. Just remember when you hire somebody, you have to think about how it's going to go down when you have to fire them. Culley was the path of least resistance.
I would have loved to have been able to take my chances with an amazing talent like M.ahomes
but "competitive" teams bring full stadiums. Most of owners would like to win, but are not fully committed to winning at all costs.
The McNairs' maybe even worse because they seem to want to win a certain (culture/ethic) way also.
I just think your disdain for them keeps you from being objective and makes your posts consistently, inconsistent. For example. I posted the quotes from Easterby complimenting Derrick's character while giving him that $160 million contract and you're still posting he did his job well. Yet, in the same breath, you want to blame RS for not recognizing in 2017 how Derrick would behave in the future and ignore the experienced, Super Bowl winning, character coach's complementary comments in 2020? It's inconsistent.
At this point, it doesn't matter. I just find it interesting that you hold a guy you think was incompetent and unqualified (RS) to a higher standard than the two former Super Bowl winning ex Patriots who seemed to have made the same mistake in trusting Derrick and made matters worst by giving him a $160 million contract and no-trade clause. That's my point.
dream_team
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You're going down a rabbit hole. RS obviously did something to him, since even up until now, he still finds ways to blame him for the current state of the Texans. Like you said, he's blaming RS for drafting DW... but he praises BOB & Easterby, the guys that gave DW that contract w/ the no-trade clause. That no-trade clause is what's really killing us.
You don't like mediocrity but you hope Mills will become a legitimate starter?
There are simply not enough laughing smilies to properly reply to this take. . .
This franchise is going nowhere with Easterby as Executive Vice President of Football Operations. Nobody is buying his manufactured culture BS.
Well, Easterby sold at least one guy.
There are simply not enough laughing smilies to properly reply to this take. . .
This franchise is going nowhere with Easterby as Executive Vice President of Football Operations. Nobody is buying his manufactured culture BS.
Exactly and I should know better than going down that rabbit hole. It just feels like the RS criticism seems to be a Texans PR worthy spin to protect some of the decisions that have been made since RS left in 2017 and I cannot avoid questioning the logic in the constant spin or its purpose.
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There are simply not enough laughing smilies to properly reply to this take. . .
This franchise is going nowhere with Easterby as Executive Vice President of Football Operations. Nobody is buying his manufactured culture BS.
Did he do his job?
Is the culture stuff his, or is the culture stuff coming from the McNair's? Remember I've been the biggest detractor of the Not Texans Worthy slogan and it was here long before Easterby entered the building on Kirby.
Fans are just beginning to realize what has been going on down on Kirby since the teams inception. Most fans don't know the teams history and are looking for somebody to blame. Blaming Easterby is easy because he's such an unlikeable guy. Truth is Easterby is only a symptom of what the true problem is.
We will have to agree to disagree if you don't think Caserio is calling the shots and Easterby is pulling the strings behind the scenes.
TexansBull
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I think what's going on here is you're talking about "doing his job well" referring to taking out the trash.
But they're asking about "doing his job well" in reference to the Watson contract, the Mercilus contract, the Cunningham contract, the Tunsil contract, etc ...
banned1976
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All I know is Easterby laid hands on KGH and he is healed! Hallelujah!
Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah(HQ/HD - original studio version + lyrics) - YouTube
Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah(HQ/HD - original studio version + lyrics) - YouTube
Texansballer74
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You would be amazed on how every team are dealing with grown ash men. Meaning jokers who gets into their share of crap. They're not hiring a darn chaplain as a private investigator either. Again we're dealing with grown men from different cultures/backgrounds.
Texazan
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Is there real video of this?? I’ve been hearing about it but have yet to see it
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Except for that guy he sold down on Kirby, which is the only one that matters. Unless his wife and mother are sold too.Well, Easterby sold at least one guy.
I don't know which of them guys sold the other.
Maybe the McNairs sold Easterby on coming to Houston to convert steelb.
I think when Gaine/Olsen were fired and BOB took over, Easterby was out of his depth when it came to negotiating contracts. Who knows if Easterby advised BOB in the draft. But the Blacklock/Greenard picks are looking like good picks.
I will hold Caserio to the same standard I held RS to after 3 to 4 yrs. Or a decade + LOL. The signing of Derrick was an ownership call. All contracts of that magnitude are. But luckily the Texans will be able to rebuild rather than being strangled by a perverts contract. I know you dont want to admit this but holding RS accountable for his draft picks should be standard procedure. Like I said, Derrick never should've been the pick to begin with and I said as much at the time.
Agreed, but when players are stalking people/bringing babies mamma's to practice while they aren't practicing and not just Hopkins but others skipping practice and doing things to undermine the HC/Asst Coaches etc.... that's not conducive to winning and it's best to move on because you cant win with people/ players like that and I dont give 2 craps about their cultures/backgrounds.
Look at the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys they played hard off the field and came from many different cultures and backgrounds. But guys like Irvin/Smith etc... set the standards if you wanted to be a member of their team you could party with them as hard as they did. But if you didn't show up and work hard in both practices and games then you weren't going to be a Cowboy for long.
That's the type of culture I'm talking about building. It's the type of culture that teams like the Bucs/Chiefs/Ravens/and yes, the Titans currently have.
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I'm starting to think NRG should be renamed "The Collective" because the conversion was executed with a Borg like efficiency.I don't know which of them guys sold the other.
Maybe the McNairs sold Easterby on coming to Houston to convert steelb.
Well I thought KGH had torn his ACL and come to find out he only has a sprain. So maybe there's something to Easterby's healing hands.
I don't know which of them guys sold the other.
Maybe the McNairs sold Easterby on coming to Houston to convert steelb.
Not gonna happen
That's not the job he was originally hired to do. He was hired to dig up the dead bodies in both the FO and on the field. He did that job very well.
Yep, Easterby had no business negotiating contracts. He was out of his depth. Good thing is he doesn't do that job anymore.
When have I praised BOB/Easterby.
No spin, the guy that drafted Derrick needs to accept the blame. He certainly used to accept the praise. (Speaking of praise)
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I would say a 17-17 1st half and playing as well as any rookie QB should give most Texans fans hope. But I'm sure it wont give you hope because your mind was made up the minute the Mills pick was made and even if he does suck it was worth the risk. I'm patiently waiting to see how you're going to move the goalposts again.
I think Dabo doesn't prepare his QB's very well for the NFL and there's quite a bit of Easterby in Dabo. In other words I dont trust him. Clemson trash says it all.
My last post on this topic. How did Watson and Cunningham get past his Cadaver dog super powers and sign contracts worth $200 million? If I'm tracking this narrative. He couldn't influence the McNairs on Watson's contract. He couldn't reach/influence Hopkins or Watson. He couldn't help BOB minimize his worst impulses. Besides becoming the Cal whisperer and getting a FO position, what did he achieve? Am I missing something about this NRG success story?
Max contracts are handed out by ownership.
Do you think Hunt for instance didn't sit in on negotiations with Mahomes for instance.
Hunt probably didn't sit in for a non max deal like Frank Clark for instance.
But I'm not going to change your mind.
That's because O'Brien's comments in front of Cal, Easterby and the entire world contradicts your TT narratives. What happened to the human Cadaver dog when it came to giving a pervert a no-trade clause?
HEAD COACH AND GENERAL MANAGER BILL O'BRIEN
"Obviously, this is a very special night for the Houston Texans, a special day. To be able to have a quarterback and a person of the caliber of Deshaun Watson under contract for multiple, multiple years is just great. Obviously, this is Deshaun's night – and it's a hard act to follow right there watching all those people that had such a tremendous influence on his life, and then obviously his family and how much his family means to him. It's a great night. I want to obviously thank the McNairs, Cal and Janice McNair are here tonight, their support of what we're trying to do here with Deshaun has just been awesome.
It's just been tremendous support and we've only started this journey really. I also want to thank Jack Easterby. He's standing here too. Jack Easterby did a tremendous job. Along with Deshaun's representative, David Mulugheta, who was a tremendous representative of Deshaun. Jack and David worked together a lot on this contract and were able to come to an agreement this morning. And so we're thrilled, obviously we're thrilled. With that, I'll open it up to questions."
Houston Texans Quarterback Deshaun Watson meets with the media after signing his contract extension with the team.
Just watch steelb spin this thing like a yo-yo.
If true, it's very out of the ordinary for ownership not to take the lead on max contract negotiations. I guess we're getting to the bottom of some of the many things wrong with the Texans org. I know that Bob McNair sat in on AJ/Watt contract negotiations with Olsen.
austins23
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This is what I’m taking about… I mentioned it in another post somewhere. I want DUDES on this team. Like Matuzak, Mad Stork Henderson, Stabler, Dierdorf types. Just mean suckas. Dudes that will go drink every beer in the bar and come Sunday afternoon want to fight everyone in a different colored jersey.
Just DUDES, dudes that wanna play football, kick the others guys ass and WIN!
Texansballer74
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Like I said all this and some are going on on every team. And you don't need a chaplain spying on these grown men. If anything he should be praying with them and for them. And that's the bottom line.
Cal needs to sell this team ASAP because clearly he has lost control of this team. Now another New England guy has basically punked him and is taking control of his team. Talk about ash backwards
I would guess the man taking control of the team you're referring to is Caserio?
Texansballer74
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He’s another New England guy right? So of course im talking about him.
I've got no problem with a man with Jewelry rebuilding the team.
I'm going to give him alteast 3-4 yrs before judging his tenure. Probably 4 after the state of the franchise he took over.
There was talk about Mayo back when we were searching for a HC. I'd have thought if that were the plan, he'd be here waiting to be promoted.
Could have brought Mayo in as DC. He doesn't have that title in New England (no one does).
It depends on what you define as his job? Which is why I replied to your comment.
Initially, he's was brought in under the banner of "team development" in April 2019. They even gave him a fancy title: Executive Vice President of Team Development.
The Boston Herald referred to him as a "character coach with the Patriots during the past six years" and "Jack’s main mission here is faith-based and faith-oriented."
No where in that article or his resume did it mention him having experience with contract negotiations, salary cap intricacies, talent evaluation or on-field football coaching.
"Jack likes power. And maybe even more than that, he likes being around power.” ~ Patriots front office source
I agree with you completely that Easterby's employment is a direct reflection of terrible ownership.
I believe he sells 'culture snake oil' and the McNairs have been looking for their 'culture snake oil' salesman.
And while I agree with you about ownership, Jack's presence is indicative of ownership continuously going in the wrong direction.
So when he's eventually fired, then maybe we mere fans can take it as a sign that the owners maybe, just maybe, pulled their heads out of their asses for a brief moment.
No, we are actually in agreement here. I have little doubt that Easterby still wields considerable power behind the scenes. There is no logical reason why they would give him the title and pay him millions in annual salary just to be Kyle's player 2 in Mario Cart.
maverick512000
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Reid and Harbaugh?
maverick512000
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Again its not his job to prepare them for the NFL. Despite what many, including the NFL, think the college programs do not exist just to be a feeding tube for the NFL. They exist because they make the mega colleges more money than all the tuition combined and nothing brings in that money like constantly winning. I promise you the only reason Dabo cares at all who is drafted and where is because that makes for great recruitment when they are trying to sign the best HS athletes. Once the player is drafted and Clemson can say "We had another player drafted." he couldn't care less what happens to them. Why do you think he never talked about Watson or Hopkins or even Taylor once they were drafted.
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There was no "selling" anything to Watson. He had made it clear long before Culley was hired that it didn't matter who the Texans hired he wanted out. Personally I still believe he was trying to escape a civil suit since its almost impossible to sue across state lines and without the civil suit there would be no criminal investigation. But either way hiring Culley wasn't what drove Watson from the Texans and hiring someone else wouldn't have kept him here. You seem to keep forgetting that Watson left for vacation right after the season, didn't take any phone calls and then when he got back acted pissed that Caserio had been hired and again refused to take any phone calls. So what, were the Texans suppose to just put everything on hold until he felt like he was ready to work again? Hiring a GM was above his pay grade and none of his business anyway. If he wanted consulting on hiring a coach ok then he might have an argument but not a GM.
Texian
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Easterby hired Caserio
& fired Bill O’Brien. I for one am glad he’s been here to help Cal through this difficult time.
TexansBull
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I was hoping he would bring back Rick Smith during that time of having no GM after Gaine and before Caserio.
Would have prevented the dumpster fire we are dealing. He probably would have kept Olson (Cap guy) too.
You are taking my posts way too seriously and I don't really need a recap from you or the order of events. You will not find any of my posts endorsing what Watson did or advocating that he should be involved with the GM search. So, I don't get the point of this post or what you think I'm forgetting.
Since the TT narrative is they had to hire a minority HC to appease Watson. I was simply posting on what endorsers of Leslie Frazier or Jim Caldwell becoming HC could say about the new HC versus what Culley's endorsers could say about his accomplishments or qualifications. But feel free to continue......
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