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Nick Caserio - New GM
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TexansBull
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You're in for a long nap.
I hear you.
But I said my hope was that we would be competitive against bad teams. In 2021 we’re not. I’m hoping that changes in 2022.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
But why? In the end, 2-9 and being competitive is no different than the 2-9 they are now. The 0-10-1 Lions lost 3 games on time expiring FGs. And one took an NFL record 1000 yard Gus the mule kick to beat them. Competitive in those games, but it doesn't change that they're the worst team in football.
I get from an aesthetic standpoint and not wanting to look like the bumbling train wreck that they are, but it's still 2-9. Anyone who saw this team being assembled this offseason, knew the results weren't going to be good. And most of us saw it that way. I too, had hope that they'd at least look better, o-line without Devlin, actually thought Lindsay was a good add, but still expected them to struggle to get to 4 or 5 wins. And being competitive in these games or not, that's still where they're at.
Number19
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The Texans were/are tearing down this year. I do think it was realistic to expect more than the two wins we currently have, with the makeshift short term veterans put together, but this was derailed by injuries. The rebuild will begin this next draft.
Baby steps. The Lions will probably win 9 games next year because they’ll probably be competitive against good teams & beat bad teams.
thats where the Texans have been in their hay day.
The Texans will still be struggling for six wins, losing to bad teams
Mr teX
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pretty much. I came into this season thinking that there were 7-8 winnable games on our schedule…..but that was with EVERYTHING breaking right for them. Realistically I knew that wasn’t going to happen, but even if it did, 7-10 still isn’t a very good team. So even with my optimistic hopeful some would say pie in the sky view, I, like most everyone figured they’d still suck…the only question really was how bad they would. Their record will likely end up worse than last year’s, but I personally don’t think they’re much worse.
So in watching them these days, the pressure is off. I watch mainly just to keep track of what’s going on with the team lol.
To be fair. You can expect the team to suck however when they are not even competitive, it's another level of suck that is unexpected. For example, your team sucks and you understand that. But an NFL team having less than 50 yards in a half is beyond suck. When an NFL team gets the ball with 40 seconds left in the half, going against a prevent defense and still punts the ball with 20 seconds left, that is just another level of suck that no one can or should anticipate.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I think this years defense would be ranked a little lower if we fielded an actual professional offense. So far this year the defense has been on the field more than any other teams defenses. The freaking offense has had several games in which they couldn't even get past the 50 yard line.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Because one would've thought they would at least be competitive. They don't even look like a professional team out there.
Mr teX
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they were competitive early on until injuries…We’re at that stage of the season where the real contenders begin to separate, the pretenders fall off, and the bad teams begin to check out..happens every year around the league & I can’t say that I’m surprised the players have checked out
He diverted a number of questions.
Questions from team employees, not actual journalists. Must be nice being a sports executive in Houston. Never under fire.
Is he really, though?
"Texans executive Vice President Jack Easterby pushed the team to trade star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins last offseason, Sports Illustrated's Jenny Vrentas and Greg Bishop report. Four sources told Sports Illustrated that Easterby was the first, and most persistent, advocate for the team dealing the star receiver." ~ Source
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The guy who did, or at least was heavily involved in trades and negotiating contracts is very much still in the building.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
They aren’t good because they put a roster together that wasn’t going to be good, i.e. tanking. Amazing that you can’t wrap your head around that.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Interesting perspective.
Texansballer74
The Marine
hey dude you’re right.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I know.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And that’s the problem right smart guy.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
That's not at all what Speedy said. He referred to roster construction. Not a team conspiracy to lose.
Culley: Hey guys. I love being around you. But, we gotta lose today. So we can get better players to replace you in the next draft.
Players: Sure thing, Coach Culley. We're going to make it look like we're trying. Sometimes. Maybe accidentally win a couple of games.
Culley: I love you guys. Except the guys I'm gonna have to suspend later.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Tanking is a pretty damn strong allegation. I'm gonna have to see a Lil more then "we have a bad roster."
No, that's what it is. "Tanking" and "Throwing games" are not the same thing.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
About a quarter of the teams in the league have miserable rosters. Are they all tanking?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly, but as you can see dude just have to be right. So I will back out and let him have it.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Not me. I want something concrete and I have yet to see it. I'm all ears though.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He’s going off of something Caserio said before the season started. I will have to find that quote again. Now he didn’t flat out say they’re tanking.
He said it's about the process, not the results is what I think you're looking for
Texansballer74
The Marine
The point of "tanking" is there NOT to be concrete evidence.
Texian
Hall of Fame
There is tanking with intent and tanking without intent.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If the recent history of Caserio draft blunders, trade fiascos, restructuring of contracts, fiscal mismanagement and the attempted recreation of Stalag Belichick continues, then this will be a 5-year plan in losing, while also setting new lows for ineptitude along the way.
There are instances. The 2020 Jags dumped about every decent vet player on their roster for draft choices. The 2021 Lions traded their vet QB for draft choices and a failed #1 overall QB. The Browns in 2017 traded for Brock Osweiler's salary for a 2nd round pick. No one trades for that salary and is trying to win.
Some of many situations where teams sacrifice the present for the future. The 90's Cowboys and the Herschel Walker trade? Maybe you've heard of that? It happens.
That would be wise. I've been right about everything that has happened with this team so far. While you were proclaiming this team could challenge for the playoffs. Sometimes it's better to watch and learn.
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I dunno for sure but I think that NC makes weekly "appearances" on 610 radio with Seth & Sean.
Hey Lucky given the opportunity what's the one question you'd ask Cesario ?
Why do you have such a deep dislike for Caserio ? Clearly it's personal.
lol.....the 3 schills having a discussion.
Lot's of flowery language and fancy gm speak for Caserio, with zero substance. Per usual for him.
I don't believe Caserio is tanking. I think he made the best team he could given the circumstances he had to deal with.
He went to the restructure well to many times to make cap space for decent players.
If he were tanking he'd have just ate the bad contracts & brought in as many league minimum UDFAs.
Caserio made cap space for mediocre players that would have no impact. Just as if he brought in younger vets and UDFAs. I've criticized these moves many times. But, I've also said that they were made for an audience of one. Caserio felt he had to rebuild (or tank), while leading Kyle to believe the team was trying to compete. An impossible and ridiculous tight rope necessitated by working for a moronic owner/team president.
Maybe the rebuild can start in earnest in 2022. Maybe. Caserio has 5 years and $30 million left on his deal. He has the power. He needs to wield it.
Texian
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Oh, so you think this is personal. If this was personal, I wouldn't be attacking the Preacher, Game Boy and the Kirby Boardroom with the same vitriol. If this was personal, I wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of posting several comments that chronologically list a dozen or more items of poor decision making, an absence of logic and common sense, fiscal irresponsibility and clearly illustrating all of the above. And how this triumvirate are all in over their head and do not know what they're doing. You can start by reviewing posts #2198 and #2206.
I see the Houston Texans trying to reinvent the Scott Pioli and the Kansas City Chiefs under a false illusion they are recreating Bill Belichick. Which they will never be able to do.
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Is he really, though?
"Texans executive Vice President Jack Easterby pushed the team to trade star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins last offseason, Sports Illustrated's Jenny Vrentas and Greg Bishop report. Four sources told Sports Illustrated that Easterby was the first, and most persistent, advocate for the team dealing the star receiver." ~ Source
The same SI that did a hit piece on Easterby? This article should surprise exactly nobody.
Depends on how much you think he was heavily involved. I think Janice and Deann were much more heavily involved than Easterby was. But hey, that's my opinion.
You will see it by the end of the yr.
Mills starting should be a sign. They're looking to see what they have in Mills the rest of the yr.
What draft blunders?
What real damage has been done. There will be plenty of cap space for the 2023 season and that's all that really matters.
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Agreed and the bad contracts will be gone by 2022. Plus a full compliment of 2 yrs of high draft picks. This is what a tank and draft strategy looks like. It's painful but necessary steps.