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My (angry) letter to Laremy Tunsil
- Thread starter chenjy9
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He was a guard
Thought I would post this here only to show that Tunsil/Texans are not the only ones to have an issue with false starts.
www.espn.com
Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss Sunday, said his coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags -- five false starts in their 10-9 loss to the Denver Broncos.
Saleh backtracks on Rodgers' cadence being issue
Robert Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss to the Broncos on Sunday, said the Jets' coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don’t even think he’s in the league anymore
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Thought I would post this here only to show that Tunsil/Texans are not the only ones to have an issue with false starts.
Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss Sunday, said his coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags -- five false starts in their 10-9 loss to the Denver Broncos.Saleh backtracks on Rodgers' cadence being issue
Robert Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss to the Broncos on Sunday, said the Jets' coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags.
The Dolphins also average close to 10 penalties a game too. If they come out tonite and continue that trend, they’ll be right there with us.
The Jets are 2-2 & Rodgers was torn apart by the Broncos yesterday. If that continues, the 40 year old man may not make it thru the season.
Dolphins are 0-3 & we know Tua’s o-line has him contemplating retirement right now.
& here we are, having fans talking about we should trade our pro bowl LT…can’t make this stuff up.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Thought I would post this here only to show that Tunsil/Texans are not the only ones to have an issue with false starts.
Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss Sunday, said his coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags -- five false starts in their 10-9 loss to the Denver Broncos.Saleh backtracks on Rodgers' cadence being issue
Robert Saleh, under fire after a sloppy, penalty-filled loss to the Broncos on Sunday, said the Jets' coaching staff spoke "at length" Monday morning about ways in which they can eliminate the alarming number of pre-snap flags.
Five? Laremy says hold my bong, I got that by myself.
Great post and posters need to remember how inexperienced Sugs is at the center position.
These are mainly the fans that are butt hurt that Caserio didn't trade Tunsil a couple of yrs ago. Or didn't like the Tunsil trade to begin with. Of course it could be as simple as some, not all not understanding the complexities of ol play.
The ol should get better the as they play together more. If they can't figure out how to handle stunts after playing together for awhile, then that's an intelligence, coaching issue.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Perhaps underestimating how complex OL play is.
I don't want to trade Tunsil. I just want him to stop getting fu**ing penalties. I don't think that is asking too much when you are paid millions of dollars. As far as other teams getting a lot of penalties the excuse of 'Everybody else is doing it' did not work with my kids & it sure as hell does not work with a bunch of millionaires that can't or won't be coached out of it.
This isn't a money or everybody else is doing it situation. This is they need to play together and hopefully gain cohesion. Look at the ol play and you will see missed stunts/looping around, particularly when it comes to Tunsil/Green and Scruggs/Green being able to pickup the games the DL are playing. It's a major issue and like Lucky said while Tunsil is getting most of the blame (Rightfully so in some instances) Green has been bad after the 1st game.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If it was any other linemen committing these penalties. Those that are taking up for Tunsil would crucify the other player. Say like if Howard was getting all those false start penalties, killing drives or negating first down plays. Would yall be so forgiving? Heck no
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
We wouldn’t…b/c none of the other guys are pro bowlers and franchise level players.
If Howard made the pro bowl every year and was voted one of the top 100 every year then heck yeah
Texansballer74
The Marine
So he gets a pass because he’s a pro bowler. Gotcha
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Of course, that’s the way it works brother. As Jimmy Johnson once said about treating his players equally
“If I found a third-string lineman sleeping in a team meeting I would cut him immediately. If I found Troy Aikman sleeping in a meeting, I would gently wake him and ask him if I could bring him a cup of coffee..”
Texansballer74
The Marine
Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever brother. That is not how it works. A player getting that many penalties, I don’t care who they are they should be held accountable period. And that player should hold himself accountable as well. The mission should be Super Bowl right? Don’t clean that **** up and watch it cost them a shot at getting there and or winning it.
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Makes plenty of sense. If u suck or aren’t very good at any aspect of your job, you don’t get the same benefit of the doubt as a guy better than u. And Tunsil by virtue of his OVERALL play over the years deserves a little benefit of the doubt over someone like Howard who has yet to sustain any level of good play any year..let alone be responsible for drive killing penalties. Hell, his ass can’t even stay on the field.
Depends, I've actually been pretty supportive of Howard this yr as he's been working his way back from injury.
If you read my previous post then you know my thoughts on this subject.
Give the entire OL some time to find some cohesion. The entire OL isn't playing anywhere near their talent level. Could be because you've got basically a rookie center and hardly any of the starting OL played much together. Or it could be because they're just flat out dumb. Time will tell which one it is, because the talent is there to have a good OL.
I think I would hold the same opinion for any Tackle in this situation. Until we've got a "franchise" or at least seasoned Center i don't think you can put all the blame on a Tackle.
He's going off timing, he has too. I'm not giving the Center a free pass.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Tunsil is trying to cheat the snap count. He’s been doing this since he got here. And he mainly does this on critical third downs. That’s on him and no other lineman.
Like I said he’s doesn’t get a pass from me. He’s been in this league too long for these bone headed penalties.
Most all OT's do this. Have you watched a Chiefs or Bengals game?
You could see it in the Lions/Seahawks game on both sides
Texansballer74
The Marine
I watch football religiously gentlemen. And in the league is allowing the Chiefs to get away with murder. They want Mahomas to surpass Brady. But bump that were talking Tunsil and the Texans. If our coaches thinks like y’all do, not holding it best players accountable. Then we can kiss winning the SB good buy. We do not have the luxury of having the league in our corner like the Chiefs. And speaking of the Chiefs, I remember Coach getting on Mahomas ash for taking the longest sack on NFL history. He held him accountable and we don’t see Pat doing that crap anymore.
Do we also hold Green, Scruggs, Mason accountable? They each had multiple penalties last game.
How would you like to see Ryans them accountable?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Dude are you not reading my point here. I clearly said I don’t care who the F it is, they should be held accountable period.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
but how do you do that? that's what im interested in hearing from the pitchfork crew. What is Meco to do with these guys to "hold them accountable". Bench them for a game? Flame them individually in the media?.........Fine them?....not even sure he'd even be able to do that.
Look, It sounds nice rolling off you guys' tongue, REALITY however is there's very little he can do....That is, very little he can do that will be EFFECTIVE.............. & also won't endanger the health of his franchise QB and thereby the season.......... and/or decreasing his team's chances of winning.
I am confident that he and the coaching staff and the players will get it cleaned up. Its just WHEN that is, we don't know.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The coach as well as the players will have to work that out. They did last season remember and they had the most offensive linemen in and out the lineup.
As far as Tunsil illegal formation, he could check with the official to make sure he’s good to go. As we could see he wasn’t lining up wrong this past Sunday. He just have to work on his false starts. Green has regressed from week one. Might have to check with Doc because something just isn’t right. I don’t believe Scruggs is 100% either and Peterson his back up is on IR. Mason needs to be replaced ASAP and Howard is trying to get back to himself.
Nope, you're missing my point, my point is the entire ol has had penalties and I'm asking you how you would hold them accountable. Surely you have ideas on how you would handle this situation? That's if like you say there should be accountability, which I agree with you there should be.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Tunsil didn't have a false start or illegal formation penalty this past sunday; Both of his were for holding. Matter of fact, none of the penalties the o-line got last sunday were for false starts or illegal formation..edit 1 was & it was Shaq Mason. Literally the rest were for holding & illegal man down field..I think we had 1 for illegal shift too which wasn't on the o-line. Multiple guys along the o-line had 1 of each of those 3.
& whether anyone wants to admit it or not, those penalties do have something to do with CJ..either holding the ball too long by running around back there behind them..they don't know what he's doing...But i'm not going to come down on CJ about that. He could however certainly make his o-line's job a little easier by being more decisive with the ball and getting rid of it or taking off. Slowik could help there too by utilizing the quick passing game more & changing up when he calls running plays instead of EVERY DAMN 1st down. There's alot than can be done to help the o-line out.
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So what are we arguing about? Sounds like he was held accountable, they worked on it & moved on.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’re the ones that doesn’t think a probowler shouldn’t be held accountable. And why are you coming at me when there’s others talking about this same situation. Oh you agree 1000 % with them that’s why.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Let’s reset expectations. No doubt it’s been ugly, however on the bright side, going into week five, the Texans still have all starters healthy and getting reps together which is being widely discounted and under appreciated.
I’m confident, against Bills DL, they will come together and raise level of execution above recent performances. Expect Laremy take care of his business and elevate mentorship of Kenyon Green. Juice play strength is improving, most difficult position to master, reps with CJ tending up. Mason is what he is, just protect space, plays cleanest among linemates. Seems like Tytus is playing himself into football shape, footwork needs to get quicker and more decisive but health holding up, like to see more dominance in run blocking.
I’m confident, against Bills DL, they will come together and raise level of execution above recent performances. Expect Laremy take care of his business and elevate mentorship of Kenyon Green. Juice play strength is improving, most difficult position to master, reps with CJ tending up. Mason is what he is, just protect space, plays cleanest among linemates. Seems like Tytus is playing himself into football shape, footwork needs to get quicker and more decisive but health holding up, like to see more dominance in run blocking.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My observation regarding the Tunsil / Green stunt dilemma. Pretty much, every stunt I have observed has Tunsil’s man stunt to right side of Green. Scruggs has typically been working to the right, which leaves the gut wide open. When Tunsil’s man stunts, he’s typically done or has moved out of the play, which has left Green on his man, while Tunsil’s responsibility swings right past him. When Tunsil recognizes his man is stunting (good lord, he should be able to see this from a mile away) he should immediately focus his attention to the defender to the right, so Green can disengage and move into the open lane to engage the stunter. Green is left to trying to block two guys while Tunsil watches and thinks, dammm…my guy got away. Tunsil is the veteran Pro Bowl LT, and I hold him responsible for not adjusting his responsibilities while calling out the stunt to Green.
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KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
In college Tunsil was pretty good at reacting to stunts in pass protection and he faced some elite talent like Myles Garrett at A&M and Danielle Hunter at LSU. In the NFL, since he was a rookie it's been a different story with stunts. But of course any OL has to practice and play together to develop into a cohesive unit and if I'm DeMeco I'd have the DL/LB/OL coaches run stunts and blitzes at this OL for 30 minutes every practice....same ole stuff, stunts have been a problem for our OL circa 2013
Texansballer74
The Marine
Unfortunately this might not get worked out until the bi week in which they’ll have more practice time.