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My (angry) letter to Laremy Tunsil

More excuse making. Tunsil has been cheating on this rule forever. I’ve seen it over and over. He also tries to leave just a half tick before the snap and sometimes he gets away with it. So the NFL decided to make him and the other worst offender in KC and make them the example. After the league put them on notice quite publicly, the excuses go out the window. Line up as the rules state or just shut up. The excuses are for losers and weak sauce.
 
Another thing people are not taking into consideration that the NFL may be enforcing these rules more strictly than they have in the past.

There is no "may"... They definitely are enforcing the rules more strictly and they made all teams aware of it.

This isnt something they just came out and suddenly started enforcing. They've outlined to teams and players exactly where they need to be lined up. Our starting RT talked about how he makes sure hes far enough up to avoid the penalty.

Im not on the get rid of him train yet, but If Tunsil continues at this rate he definitely is NOT worth what hes being paid.
 
what was Meco thinking when he made a derp faced turd like you TEAM CAPTAIN

Does DeMeco make the team captains or does the team vote?

So let me get this straight, you lucked out and didn’t get called for it previously so you decide it’s OK to keep doing it? Then you DO get called for it and what, decided to test the refs by trying it again?

As far as this goes. Did they warn him? If it was fine the last two weeks & these refs are going to call it a way that wasn't called the week before... they should have warned him. Without the warning, are we clear that Tunsil knew what they meant when they called, "Illegal formation" I didn't. honestly, I thought they were saying the WR/TE was lined up wrong, because that's the way they call that.

So... I can "understand" the 2nd one. But the third?
 
Another thing people are not taking into consideration that the NFL may be enforcing these rules more strictly than they have in the past.

Well - for all the teams not named the Chiefs.

We all knew Tunsil was good for a false start. But his play made up for it. Sunday they came down hard on him. Tunsil needs to adapt.

Rules in the NFL change from time to time. Look at how defenders now have to tackle players in the open field or the QB.
He starts off timing. He's not looking at the ball. As a tackle, I don't think he's supposed to. But it was loud in there & I don't think our Center's internal timing is as rock solid as it should be.

Not trying to take blame off Tunsil. He's got to find a way to fix it, like he said, his name is being called. But.... I'm just not as mad as some.
 
Oh I am mad as hell.

Dominating the AFC south is not enough this year.
Winning an AFC wild card game is not enough this year.
Anything less than making it into the AFC championship game is a disappointment of a year for me.

We need to get over the hump and it will require all of our coaches and players to elevate their game not regress, which is what I saw from LT.
 
The thing that bothers me about Tunsil is how little he cares about his penalties. The Vikings game is not an anomaly; false starts has been a thing since his whole career and it continues to be a thing because he simply doesn't give a crap about doing anything to fix it. This is a character issue, or lack thereof. His latest statements just reinforces how he doesn't hold himself accountable.
 
Well - for all the teams not named the Chiefs.
It's getting disgusting how the NFL and the Refs do everything they can to make it right for the Chiefs. that was a Blatant DPI in the end zone against the Falcons. No call, are you kidding me? And only ONE holding penalty on the Chiefs O Line in THREE superb owls?!?! That's garbage..... linemen hold every play....
15 is the new Brady.
 
It's getting disgusting how the NFL and the Refs do everything they can to make it right for the Chiefs. that was a Blatant DPI in the end zone against the Falcons. No call, are you kidding me? And only ONE holding penalty on the Chiefs O Line in THREE superb owls?!?! That's garbage..... linemen hold every play....
15 is the new Brady.
Still shocked how that DPI was not called. Swift has the NFL by their balls, literally
 
This was posted by CND in the Random NFL thread about 3 weeks ago:

Ronnie Stanley: They weren’t calling illegal formation both ways, they made an example of me
By Josh Alper
Published September 6, 2024 06:39 AM

A call by replay officials on the final play of the game took a Ravens touchdown off the board, but calls by officials on the field earlier in the game drew a lot of attention from Baltimore as well.

Left tackle Ronnie Stanley was called for three illegal formation penalties and right tackle Patrick Mekari was called for it once, which wasn’t a huge shock given that officials told teams that the call would be a point of emphasis this season. The Chiefs were not flagged for the infraction at any point in their 27-20 win, however, and Stanley took issue with what he felt was a singular focus on how he was lining up.

Stanley said he plans to ask the league to review the calls because he knows “my helmet was breaking the center’s butt” and that he was “lining up more in front of what I used to do” because of the emphasis on the call.

“The way it was going through the game, I really feel like they were trying to make an example and chose me to be the one to do that,” Stanley said, via the team’s website. “As far as I saw, they weren’t doing it on both sides of the ball. I know that I was lined up in good position a majority of those calls they made.”

Two of the calls came on the Ravens’ opening drive. That possession ended with a touchdown, but Stanley said the calls “hindered” the offense and it will be interesting to see if other teams get hamstrung by a flurry of flags as the opening weekend plays out.

Stanley got 3 in Week 1 and I don't think he's gotten once since.

I don't think this will be something that he deals with every week.

Now, the false starts.....He needs to stop pointing at others and look in the mirror.
 
There is no "may"... They definitely are enforcing the rules more strictly and they made all teams aware of it.

This isnt something they just came out and suddenly started enforcing. They've outlined to teams and players exactly where they need to be lined up. Our starting RT talked about how he makes sure hes far enough up to avoid the penalty.

Im not on the get rid of him train yet, but If Tunsil continues at this rate he definitely is NOT worth what hes being paid.
Except for KC because they’re getting away with murder.
 
Amen Brother, I literally had to stop watching the game yesterday. We were just embarrassing ourselves on national Tv. It sucks to because as soon as we get expectations we always come up with a stinker like this. It never fails. The drive where we were in field goal range and had literally 3 penalties on 3 back to back plays i wanted to throw my remote through the Tv. It was so disgusting to watch. The Oline has regressed as a group a ton, CJ isnt making the splash plays like last year and it seems like defenses have started taking away the little 10 to 12 yard out that was butter for Nico and Tank last year that we ran a ton on 3rd down. They also seem to be blitzing wayyy more then last year and Stroud is having to get the ball out so fast or take a sack, he doesnt seem to have time to go through his progressions like he did last year. I dont know if Diggs should be the number 2 receiver either, he doesnt have the burst it seems like he had a year or 2 ago. The chemistry between Tank and CJ has suffered quite a bit as well from Diggs. Also I could not stand the Bend but dont break defense Demeco ran all day yesterday. I hate the soft 10 yard off Zone coverage BS. But hopefully the guys get it together and fix what needs to be fixed before Sundays game against the Jags. Historically we own them so maybe thats what we need.
Just to be clear, you are saying that the reason that Stroud and Tank are not connecting is Stefon Diggs' fault? Can you explain how you got to that?
 
I would trade Tunsil for multiple reasons. His elite pass blocking is in my mind canceled out by his proponent for flags. Negative plays in big moments. His elite blocking is also less impressive because his run blocking is to be desired. He’s a one trick pony. Lastly, he doesn’t fit the team from a culture perspective.

Send him off to the Bears. They need to protect Caleb.

We will have your first and next years second round pick.
2025 round 1.10 and 2.42 ~? Are there other offers?
 
Should have seen it from my perspective.

Place was deafening loud. Loud is cool when you’re at home and crushing your opponent, when you are away and the crushee….not so much.

Dude a couple of rows back would yell out “All day!” every time Jefferson got open, he said this a l l d a y.

Kicker was when we were riding the train back jammed like sardines with Vikings fans and this 10 year old girl said to her dad “I thought the Texans were supposed to be good”.

And everyone laughed.
Did you laugh along with everyone? This is between you and me only and I won't share with anyone.
 
More excuse making. Tunsil has been cheating on this rule forever. I’ve seen it over and over. He also tries to leave just a half tick before the snap and sometimes he gets away with it. So the NFL decided to make him and the other worst offender in KC and make them the example. After the league put them on notice quite publicly, the excuses go out the window. Line up as the rules state or just shut up. The excuses are for losers and weak sauce.
According to Howard they lined up the same exact way against the Bears. Cheating? LMAO
 
You just solidified that the information you are using to base your argument on getting rid of Tunsil is one game. That is a small sample size.

Stroud threw two interceptions. Fairbairn missed a kick. Players have bad games. That doesn’t mean you just dump them on that one game.

The real question is if Tunsil can adapt his game and can coaching do better. Because both of those need to happen if they are going to fix the penalties. And both were terrible on Sunday.

I think both can.
I have a theory on the missed field goal that Tunsil moved his foot so fast that it created a wind that blew the ball slightly off course. Oh wait, he wasn't on the field. Oh well, I'm going to blame him anyway
 
How many games has his false starts cost the team?

I read Tunsil has started 70 games and has 45 false start penalties.

Were you complaining about his run blocking after the Colts game? They mainly ran behind Tunsil/Green in that game. Like I said above Tunsil was really bad yesterday, but he was far from the only one. It seems like this is a blame Tunsil for everything that went wrong yesterday. Also his comment about the Texans OL needing to work together better is spot on if you know anything about OL play.
Well.. uh okay but what about the bong photo? Didn't that impact him jumping too soon?
🤣😂
Seriously, guy does need to work on that but what do we replace him with now? Perhaps after the season, Blake Fisher will be able to take over but even then I'm going to have to see a whole lot in return for Tunsil.
 
At this point I don't really understand why you would be mad at Tunsil.

The wind blows.
Water is wet.
And Tunsil false starts.

But, maybe them backyard raccoons will whisper the secrets of the universe in his ear as he naps on his hammock and get him to unTunsil himself.

I mean, Im all for it... especially if one of those talking trash pandas loves guns, tech and humorous banter.
I often false farts..
 
I was never a fan of Tunsil.

Thought the price to acquire him was far too high and that was compounded by the contract they probably felt obligated to give him, otherwise lose him to FA.

Usually a reliable pass blocker but not real good in the run game.

Not the guy you are going to line up and run behind on 3rd / 4th and 1 and expect to get that yard the vast majority of the time.


He's been grossly overpaid since his arrival in Houston.
 
I was never a fan of Tunsil.

Thought the price to acquire him was far too high and that was compounded by the contract they probably felt obligated to give him, otherwise lose him to FA.

Usually a reliable pass blocker but not real good in the run game.

Not the guy you are going to line up and run behind on 3rd / 4th and 1 and expect to get that yard the vast majority of the time.


He's been grossly overpaid since his arrival in Houston.
His lack of run blocking makes him less elite than what people "rank" him as.

Would much rather have a guy like Dion Dawkins on the Bills who will give you 85% of Tunsil's pass blocking and about 200% better with the run.

The Texans problem is there lack of production on early downs.

No QB in the league is going to be successful when there 3rd down is 10+ yards to convert.

Cj appeared to have a bad game, but it was much better than what you would think. Team is not helping our guy out at all.
 
The Texans problem is there lack of production on early downs.

No QB in the league is going to be successful when there 3rd down is 10+ yards to convert.

Cj appeared to have a bad game, but it was much better than what you would think. Team is not helping our guy out at all.

This sounds chicken & egg to me. The QB is the last person to "adjust" the offense before the ball is snapped. If he's reading the defense & sees the advantage on the left, snaps the ball, then realizes he had no advantage on the left & should have started his progression on the right, it looks like an uninspiring play-call.

I'm not saying it's all on Cj, just that a lot of what we see & deduce is after Cj has made a lot of decisions that affect what we see. & when we're going against a defense known to disguise & change things up to the snap you have to take that into consideration.
 
What are the mechanics? How does Tunsil decide to get out of his stance?

Anyone can answer.
“Let me try to cheat and get a split second earlier start…I don’t think I can block this guy otherwise …The officials will only flag me for 1-2 false starts a game. I can live with that and then make another pro bowl.” That is what he is thinking
 
“Let me try to cheat and get a split second earlier start…I don’t think I can block this guy otherwise …The officials will only flag me for 1-2 false starts a game. I can live with that and then make another pro bowl.” That is what he is thinking
I was asking more about how does the "snap-count" work?
 
His lack of run blocking makes him less elite than what people "rank" him as.

Would much rather have a guy like Dion Dawkins on the Bills who will give you 85% of Tunsil's pass blocking and about 200% better with the run.

The Texans problem is there lack of production on early downs.

No QB in the league is going to be successful when there 3rd down is 10+ yards to convert.

Cj appeared to have a bad game, but it was much better than what you would think. Team is not helping our guy out at all.
I would agree with you on a guy like Dawkins if the Texans were going to be a run heavy team but we should not be a run heavy team. With our wide receiver / tight ends, we should be an extremely heavy passing team. You do not develop a wide receiver room as Houston has and then run the ball 50% of the time or more.
Yes, as stated Tunsil should block better but I want our offensive line to keep Stroud on his feet and throwing the ball. If they can run block in addition, that's gravy for the fried chicken.
Akers 3.3
Stroud 7.2.
Yeah go run the ball every 1st down...
 
His lack of run blocking makes him less elite than what people "rank" him as.

Would much rather have a guy like Dion Dawkins on the Bills who will give you 85% of Tunsil's pass blocking and about 200% better with the run.

The Texans problem is there lack of production on early downs.

No QB in the league is going to be successful when there 3rd down is 10+ yards to convert.

Cj appeared to have a bad game, but it was much better than what you would think. Team is not helping our guy out at all.
I just wonder if you were saying that the Texans were having issues run blocking after the Colts game?

Bears have a very good defense

Texans team didn't show up against the Vikings.
 
“Let me try to cheat and get a split second earlier start…I don’t think I can block this guy otherwise …The officials will only flag me for 1-2 false starts a game. I can live with that and then make another pro bowl.” That is what he is thinking
Particularly when a false starts a game won't hurt your chances of winning. BTW, Tunsil only has 45 false starts in 70 games. So it's not as bad as some posters are making it out to be much worse than it is. Of course most of those posters are still butthurt about the trade and the fact that Caserio chose to hold onto Tunsil, pay him and Ryans, Slowik agreed with Caserio and not said posters. This is what is really at the heart of the matter.
 
Particularly when a false starts a game won't hurt your chances of winning. BTW, Tunsil only has 45 false starts in 70 games. So it's not as bad as some posters are making it out to be much worse than it is. Of course most of those posters are still butthurt about the trade and the fact that Caserio chose to hold onto Tunsil, pay him and Ryans, Slowik agreed with Caserio and not said posters. This is what is really at the heart of the matter.
45 false starts in 70 games is ONLY to you? Wow... talk about setting them expectations high there.
 
Well… it’s pretty good when you take in consideration that everybody claims he is good for 1-2 false starts -per game-.
He is, probably more, he just doesn't get called for all of them. As the highest paid LT in the league, he should be getting half as many as what he actually got called for.
 
I would agree with you on a guy like Dawkins if the Texans were going to be a run heavy team but we should not be a run heavy team. With our wide receiver / tight ends, we should be an extremely heavy passing team. You do not develop a wide receiver room as Houston has and then run the ball 50% of the time or more.
Yes, as stated Tunsil should block better but I want our offensive line to keep Stroud on his feet and throwing the ball. If they can run block in addition, that's gravy for the fried chicken.
Akers 3.3
Stroud 7.2.
Yeah go run the ball every 1st down...
We should be a balanced offense. Take what the defense gives you. If they are stacking the line, then beat them with the pass. If they are falling back in coverage, then run it down their throats. Maybe the reason we are a pass heavy offense is partly because of the strengths and weaknesses of our offensive linemen. But really, this boils down to a what came first, chicken or egg argument.
 
We should be a balanced offense. Take what the defense gives you. If they are stacking the line, then beat them with the pass. If they are falling back in coverage, then run it down their throats. Maybe the reason we are a pass heavy offense is partly because of the strengths and weaknesses of our offensive linemen. But really, this boils down to a what came first, chicken or egg argument.
In my opinion your first two sentences contradict each other. I agree that you should take advantage of what the defense gives you but that does not mean a balanced offense. Also, the chicken came first.
 
In my opinion your first two sentences contradict each other. I agree that you should take advantage of what the defense gives you but that does not mean a balanced offense. Also, the chicken came first.
Fair enough, but I meant more flexibility from week to week. So if the opposing defensive game plan one week is to take away your pass, you are gonna have to beat them running the ball, and vice versa. Just try not to be one dimensional or put all of your eggs in one basket.
 
He is, probably more, he just doesn't get called for all of them. As the highest paid LT in the league, he should be getting half as many as what he actually got called for.
He's no longer the highest paid LT in the league.
 
Fair enough, but I meant more flexibility from week to week. So if the opposing defensive game plan one week is to take away your pass, you are gonna have to beat them running the ball, and vice versa. Just try not to be one dimensional or put all of your eggs in one basket.
Ok. My thought is we have designed this roster to be highly successful in the passing game. Nico's reward was a rich contract. Stefon Diggs got all of his money up front rather than over lifetime of the contract. We have a healthy Tank Dell and a resurging John Metchie. Both Stovar and Schultz were expected to be very good. Both Mixon and Akers are known to be good receiving out of the backfield. Our run game was basically established on Joe Mixon and he performed well game one. This is not a team set up to be a running team. As you say, if the passing game leads to a wide open alley, the running back or in some occasions Stroud should take advantage of it.
 
As reference here are the 2023 pro bowlers at tackle and false starts in 2023:

Trent williams-3
Penei sewell-2
Lane johnson-3
Dion dawkins-1
Terron armstead-1
Triston wirfs-5
Tunsil-8

Tunsil off to a great (false) start in 2024 already.
Lol now that is the comparison I wanted to see and it is a good one.
 
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