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McNair Reflects and Reveals..........
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Nepotism appears to be alive and well.
Wow, that was a great read! A few tidbits I thought was interesting...
Pretty much telling us again what we will be drafting. Look for Mathews in the first or Tate in the 2nd. Solid OL?
You can bet that he has heard the Coaches opinion and GM's and Scout's and is relating the overall ideas that we need a RB! Maybe 2.
For the bashers that keep saying he is just in it for the money. Listen to the Man! I believe he means what he says and is committed to bringing and NFL championship to Houston. I love the fact that someone would do this for the sports fans of Houston, even if he does line his own pockets be doing so.
Afterall, I watched the Oilers and Fud McDouche since their inception. I have seen an owner that had no interest in the fans or in winning a title, other than the money it would bring him.
Pretty much telling us again what we will be drafting. Look for Mathews in the first or Tate in the 2nd. Solid OL?
You can bet that he has heard the Coaches opinion and GM's and Scout's and is relating the overall ideas that we need a RB! Maybe 2.
For the bashers that keep saying he is just in it for the money. Listen to the Man! I believe he means what he says and is committed to bringing and NFL championship to Houston. I love the fact that someone would do this for the sports fans of Houston, even if he does line his own pockets be doing so.
Afterall, I watched the Oilers and Fud McDouche since their inception. I have seen an owner that had no interest in the fans or in winning a title, other than the money it would bring him.
Great article CNNND! Thanks for posting it.
As for McNair, I still am grateful he brought back the NFL to Houston. Maybe things haven't gone as fast as some would like but I don't think we could ask for a better owner. That's probably the best thing about the Oilers leaving, we don't have to deal with bud anymore! McNair has faaaaaaaar more class than ole bud could ever dream of having, and I believe he has more common sense too. I personally like the way he is building the team and think he has the right Coach and GM for the job. Has everything gone perfectly? No! But that's just part of learning and growing like he said. I do believe he, the team and the fans will be rewarded with a championship in the near future. JMHO!
As for McNair, I still am grateful he brought back the NFL to Houston. Maybe things haven't gone as fast as some would like but I don't think we could ask for a better owner. That's probably the best thing about the Oilers leaving, we don't have to deal with bud anymore! McNair has faaaaaaaar more class than ole bud could ever dream of having, and I believe he has more common sense too. I personally like the way he is building the team and think he has the right Coach and GM for the job. Has everything gone perfectly? No! But that's just part of learning and growing like he said. I do believe he, the team and the fans will be rewarded with a championship in the near future. JMHO!
midgetonadonkey
Practice Squad
I think McNair is a great owner and he will be a winner sooner rather than later. I honestly do think the Texans right now are a better organization than the Oilers ever were. It's good to be a fan of a team with such great ownership. Now if only he would buy the Astros.
On the 2010 season: "We've got to start out without digging ourselves into a hole -- [play] good football the first half of the year and not wait until the second half. A little luck and we are in the playoffs. If Indianapolis plays its starters the whole game against the Jets, they win and we were in the playoffs instead of the Jets. Breaks and luck. You need a little. But what you want to do is put yourself in a place where luck runs over you. I'm optimistic. This could be the year for us. I do what I've always done -- hope for the best and prepare for the worst.''
(from the link)
Mr McNair, we had a chance to take care of the Jets in our season-opener in
Reliant instead of needing help from another team, and who didn't have his team ready for that game ?
And who had a record in his own division last year of 1-5 ?
(from the link)
Mr McNair, we had a chance to take care of the Jets in our season-opener in
Reliant instead of needing help from another team, and who didn't have his team ready for that game ?
And who had a record in his own division last year of 1-5 ?
McNair doesn't let petulant little facts get in the way of great lip service.
McNair likes Kubes, McNair likes K.Brown, They get to keep they're jobs regardless of their performance.
With the $ McNair is making why wouldn't they get to keep their jobs.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
He did mention that we've had to overcome some adversity and the point of the article was to talk about how we've had alot of new things (OCs, and DCs and HC) over the last few years and the only way to make this thing work is to give everyone their chance to prove themselves.
Why did they have to overcome this adversity?
Having rookies at key positions in the organization was McNair's choice.
Why did he choose to bring this adversity on himself and the organization. Hiring rookies basically says the organization is willing to go through a 4/5 yr learning curve.
This is why teams usually hire vets like Parcells or Holmgren to run their organization. Proven winners that know how to set up and run an organization.
After 4 yrs we still dont know if Smithiak can build a championship organization. Cleveland knows that within 5 yrs they will have a winning organization.
McNair took/is still taking a huge risk on the Smithiak regime. If they fall on their face this year and with this years schedule it's possible this could happen, where does McNair turn then?
Having rookies at key positions in the organization was McNair's choice.
Why did he choose to bring this adversity on himself and the organization. Hiring rookies basically says the organization is willing to go through a 4/5 yr learning curve.
This is why teams usually hire vets like Parcells or Holmgren to run their organization. Proven winners that know how to set up and run an organization.
After 4 yrs we still dont know if Smithiak can build a championship organization. Cleveland knows that within 5 yrs they will have a winning organization.
McNair took/is still taking a huge risk on the Smithiak regime. If they fall on their face this year and with this years schedule it's possible this could happen, where does McNair turn then?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I like the way McNair is running this organization. He's said from the start he knew that while this is a footall organization it basically boils down to that this is an entertainment company. Obviously winning is a huge part building and sustaining a fanbase, but he looked at it like any other entertainment company and focused on the fans. If the fans don't have a good time, they're not going to come back. This includes hiring the Disney people to come in and train all the service staff, making the corridors in Reliant wider than required to ease walking traffic, and hiring extra police personnel outside of stadium grounds to help with traffic flow leaving the stadium. He says if your stuck in your car for an hour and a half or more like at other stadiums, the fan's last impression of the experience was negative and their not going to want to come back- it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that makes me love how the Texans are run. Going the extra mile to do it the right way. Now all's we's needs is to get ourselves a perrenial playoff team and we'll be set. 
Porky
Hall of Fame
I liked the guy who wrote the comment at the end -
I'm 63 and my family has been part of the NFL for the last 55 years, including yuears my dad was elected into the NFL Hall of Fame. Never do I remember reading quotes spoken by an NFL owner that were as intelligent, aware and involved as those spoken by Mr. McNair. Houston--you are one lucky city and I wish you and your team the best of luck. You have finally risen above any residual effects left by that slimy, loud mouth, egotistical, obnoxious, stupid, disloyal scumbag owner you had previously:
Bud Ass. Tard. Adams
I'm 63 and my family has been part of the NFL for the last 55 years, including yuears my dad was elected into the NFL Hall of Fame. Never do I remember reading quotes spoken by an NFL owner that were as intelligent, aware and involved as those spoken by Mr. McNair. Houston--you are one lucky city and I wish you and your team the best of luck. You have finally risen above any residual effects left by that slimy, loud mouth, egotistical, obnoxious, stupid, disloyal scumbag owner you had previously:
Bud Ass. Tard. Adams
I like the way McNair is running this organization. He's said from the start he knew that while this is a footall organization it basically boils down to that this is an entertainment company. Obviously winning is a huge part building and sustaining a fanbase, but he looked at it like any other entertainment company and focused on the fans. If the fans don't have a good time, they're not going to come back. This includes hiring the Disney people to come in and train all the service staff, making the corridors in Reliant wider than required to ease walking traffic, and hiring extra police personnel outside of stadium grounds to help with traffic flow leaving the stadium. He says if your stuck in your car for an hour and a half or more like at other stadiums, the fan's last impression of the experience was negative and their not going to want to come back- it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that makes me love how the Texans are run. Going the extra mile to do it the right way. Now all's we's needs is to get ourselves a perrenial playoff team and we'll be set.
All of this stuff is nice and everything but I would trade all of it in for a playoff team/SB winner.
It's pathetic that after 8 yrs we are still judged by the fan experience rather than the product/results on the field. IMHO
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I liked the guy who wrote the comment at the end -
I'm 63 and my family has been part of the NFL for the last 55 years, including yuears my dad was elected into the NFL Hall of Fame. Never do I remember reading quotes spoken by an NFL owner that were as intelligent, aware and involved as those spoken by Mr. McNair. Houston--you are one lucky city and I wish you and your team the best of luck. You have finally risen above any residual effects left by that slimy, loud mouth, egotistical, obnoxious, stupid, disloyal scumbag owner you had previously:
Bud Ass. Tard. Adams
If you hadn't given the age I would've wondered if this was Bruce Matthews. Ha Ha Ha
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
You really are bitter aren't you? Like McNair has set a precedent by involving family members.
alphajoker
Veteran
If I ran a business and my son was a part of it, I would keep him involved as well. Somebody has to take over one day, why not let it be a family member? Or was that sarcasm?
You really are bitter aren't you? Like McNair has set a precedent by involving family members.
No, he just asked for insight on Cal and his qualifications for his position in the organization. I gave my opinion. I'm certianly not bitter and could careless who Bob gets to run the organization.
I just want to see the results/wins.
Nepotism runs deep in the NFL. Jones/Wilf/York/Mara etc...
If the tax structure is set up right a NFL team can be passed down from generation to generation.
I'm interested to see when Jerry turns the Cowboys over to Stephen.
Or to whom the McCaskey's leave the Bears.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Might want to translate that to we'll pick up a running back or two from the draft eligible players. Draft one, pick up another one or two UDFAs.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I hear you loud and clear and completely concur. I don't want this to be an excuse because it's not, but the league really did change up the rules on us vs. previous expansion teams. Again, that's not an excuse because I'm not confident that Casserly would have done anything constructive with those extra picks!
I think we just had the wrong people running this team during the 1st four years, that's evident. Kubiak wasn't ready the first go around but McNair felt confident in him 4 years later. He even went into the new hire giving Kubes some grace period b/c (i) the team needed completely rebuilding and (ii) GK was learning as a 1st time head coach.
Would I have loved it if the Texans had made the playoffs? Of course, but I don't want to be some one and done team and then go on a couple more years before we make the wild card again. I think I'm a "homer" b/c I really do like the way McNair is sticking with Kubiak/Smith, having continuity, solid respected people, and building this thing for long term success. I think we're really heading in the right direction and once we're there, we're there for a long time. But I can't argue against the fact that it would be so much better if after 8 years we were there. We need to be in the playoffs, we should be in the playoffs, and yet I'm still "hoping" next year is the year.
I thought he was referring to the Cal questions as "Another guys we can blame!!!". hahaYou really are bitter aren't you? Like McNair has set a precedent by involving family members.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
I can't decide what's more stunning--McNair's frank honesty and detailed answers or the fact that NFL Fanhouse schooled every Houston media outlet with this story.
Incredible interview. My mouth was agape as I read McNair's comments, especially his spot-on assessment of David Carr and his acknowledgment of the Things Gone Wrong.
If I was ever unconvinced that the current front office has what it takes to bring an NFL winner to Houston, I'm not right now. Bob McNair exudes confidence and leadership. I am pumped for the future of this organization.
Incredible interview. My mouth was agape as I read McNair's comments, especially his spot-on assessment of David Carr and his acknowledgment of the Things Gone Wrong.
If I was ever unconvinced that the current front office has what it takes to bring an NFL winner to Houston, I'm not right now. Bob McNair exudes confidence and leadership. I am pumped for the future of this organization.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Spin spin spin
kubiak is .500 as a head coach
mcnair sure has a lot of confidence for a .500 coach
sounds like .500 is enough to keep your job
they better take a step forward this year
or heads should roll. 1-5 in division is pathetic
and the one win was giftwrapped by Collins unforced fumble
1-5 gets you an extension
kinda pathetic. Kubes didn't deserve a new deal
not at all.. But he is a local 'legend' and inexpensive so alls good
turnstiles still turning
$8 beers still flowing
kubiak is .500 as a head coach
mcnair sure has a lot of confidence for a .500 coach
sounds like .500 is enough to keep your job
they better take a step forward this year
or heads should roll. 1-5 in division is pathetic
and the one win was giftwrapped by Collins unforced fumble
1-5 gets you an extension
kinda pathetic. Kubes didn't deserve a new deal
not at all.. But he is a local 'legend' and inexpensive so alls good
turnstiles still turning
$8 beers still flowing
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
Sounds like Bob McNair is a better judge of Kubiak's job performance than the short-sighted bottom-liners who refuse to acknowledge the full set of circumstances Kubiak was working under and the breaks that didn't go the Texans' way.
Amen to that.
SH: Quit giving facts supported by cold hard numbers. You're going to get the koolaid drinkers all riled up.
LOL
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
This is STOOPID.
Anyone can look at a coach's record and make determinations based solely upon that. The wise critic looks beyond the record and into the whos, hows, and whys.
How are you judged at your job?
After 3 yrs I would hope it would be by production.
If your company isn't judging you by wether you are producing or not they are STOOPID.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
The problem is quantifying production. Is it really just about wins and losses and playoff appearances? McNair doesn't necessarily think so, and I agree with him. I guess you think Eric Mangini is a better coach than Gary Kubiak.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Your first mistake: arguing with self-indulgent dolts.
Your second mistake: using common sense.
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
Correct, but there are multiple moving parts involved in building a winner. By the bottom-liner logic, there are 31 failures every year in the NFL. Should coaches be fired for not winning the Super Bowl? And if not, then how are we to define "winning." Is it nine wins? Is it a playoff appearance? Is it multiple playoff appearances? Is it a playoff win? Or is it a conference championship appearance? Any definition of winning that falls short of a Super Bowl victory admits the concessions I'm referring to. At some point you have to allow for more than just the bottom line, and that means a detailed thought process of judging a coach's job performance. As that interview makes clear, Bob McNair cannot be accused of not giving a thoughtful, thorough, and analytical assessment of Gary Kubiak's leadership.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
so the wise critic looks beyond the record and looks for excuses?
injuries happen and we had no more than the average NFL team
if you have rookies at important coaching positions, THAT IS ON YOU!!
basically when the Texans screw up, there is always someone just too eager to make excuses
btw thanks for the namecalling TB
but I understand. Truth hurts sometimes. You are forgiven
bottom line is .500 over a 4 year span
horrible divisional record
horrible record against good teams
never show up in the big games that matter (i.e. divisional most of the time)
the wise critic....what a load of bs. you are what you are. .500 and getting extended
but he wasn't expensive and he is a good ole local 'legend'...whoopty freaking doo
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
Ruh roh, looks like the petulant table-pounder is at it again!
Why did McNair put himself through all of the growing pains of hiring all 1st timers GM?HC. Knowing that it would take 4 or 5 yrs for them to hopefully become upper echelon type guys? Instead of hiring a Parcells type guy?
1.They could market the legend comes home (Kubes) after the 2-14 debacle. Marketing was and still is a priorty. I dont blame McNair for this angle. I would've done the same thing. If I was in his shoes.
After a 2-14 season the marketing team needed all of the help it could get.
2. McNair put down a good chunk of his fortune to buy this team. Casserly burned McNair when he had an open checkbook policy at the franchises inception. McNair recouped some of his money by hiring a bunch of rookies. (Smithiak,Coaching staff)
What I dont understand is why McNair reupped Kubes and his medicore record. I think it was because McNair regards Kubes like he did HWNSNBM) loyalty to a fault in this case. IMHO
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Because the first 4 or 5 years with experienced guys didn't work out so well?? 
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I don't think they're so much as excuses as they are mitigating factors. You have those in any line of business. i.e. the economy would be a mitigating factor as to why a salesman's sales were down. So if he didn't get the revenue you wanted and you fired him, you're going to have to hire somebody else, get him used to the company, fellow employees, product, etc. Or hire him/someone when the economy picks back up - trouble is your competition may have already snatched him up and you're stuck with product waiting to be sold and nobody sell it.
McNair believes that Kubiak is the man for the job, the guy that can lead this team deep into the playoffs. Some disagree, with good reason. Sometimes you just look at the historical results - .500 coach, you want better so you fire him. The difference is, McNair likes the progress the team has shown, the personnel that is in place, the transition of old coaches out and new ones in. I think just as importantly, he thinks the Texans have a better shot of winning going forward with Kubiak in place than they do if they fired him and had to hire a new coach who would then take a couple years to get "his" coaches in place. Even if the system/players stay the same, there's going to be coaching turnover.
The bottom line is McNair thinks going forward, Kubiak is the quickest way to get this city a winner. The points about past record, division record, etc. are critical but absolutely warranted. The question is, will changing coaches right now make us a winner quicker. Some think yes, some think no. If it's my money... I'm sticking with the guys I've got with Kubiak, Smith, Bush, etc. You may think differently, you're free to, I don't think its dumb/stupid... I get your reasoning but I see it a different way.
McNair believes that Kubiak is the man for the job, the guy that can lead this team deep into the playoffs. Some disagree, with good reason. Sometimes you just look at the historical results - .500 coach, you want better so you fire him. The difference is, McNair likes the progress the team has shown, the personnel that is in place, the transition of old coaches out and new ones in. I think just as importantly, he thinks the Texans have a better shot of winning going forward with Kubiak in place than they do if they fired him and had to hire a new coach who would then take a couple years to get "his" coaches in place. Even if the system/players stay the same, there's going to be coaching turnover.
The bottom line is McNair thinks going forward, Kubiak is the quickest way to get this city a winner. The points about past record, division record, etc. are critical but absolutely warranted. The question is, will changing coaches right now make us a winner quicker. Some think yes, some think no. If it's my money... I'm sticking with the guys I've got with Kubiak, Smith, Bush, etc. You may think differently, you're free to, I don't think its dumb/stupid... I get your reasoning but I see it a different way.
I thought he explained very well why he did a new contract with Kubiak.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
How many Parcells-type guys take over a fledgling expansion team coming off a 2-14 season? Wasn't Dom Capers highly regarded when McNair hired him?
Or he sees a good coach on the verge of becoming a very good coach and doesn't want to start the whole process all over again.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
If the Texans regress next year then fine. Say whatever you want. But until next year is played out... its kind of all premature imo.
Lets put Kubiaks coaching in terms of wins into a line graph. 6, 8, 8, and now 9. Is the arrow pointed up? Lets just pretend the Texans win 10 or more games next year. Then how does the line graph look? Totally acceptable and seemingly set for steady success thereafter? Damn sure thats how it would look to me and would prove everything he is saying about building through the draft for long term success. So lets see where 2010 takes us.
Lets put Kubiaks coaching in terms of wins into a line graph. 6, 8, 8, and now 9. Is the arrow pointed up? Lets just pretend the Texans win 10 or more games next year. Then how does the line graph look? Totally acceptable and seemingly set for steady success thereafter? Damn sure thats how it would look to me and would prove everything he is saying about building through the draft for long term success. So lets see where 2010 takes us.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Because the HC isn't the only guy. In order to get quality coaches and assistants, you're going to have to convince them that they will be given the opportunity to succeed and will be able to work with the people that hired them. Re-signing Kubiak showed the soon-to-be hired (Dennison) and other potential candidates to upgrade your staff, that you are fully committed to to the men in charge. If the wheels fall off, McNair can always fire the entire staff (with no effect to the cap) and hire new. But in the meantime, you gotta show that you're committed to sticking with your guys b/c if you fire your HC every 4 years... you're not going to attract very many quality coaches or assistants. It's much easier to recruit a quality assistant if he sees the front office/management believing in whats going on in the organization instead of scrapping it.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
You could say the same about the Redskins for hiring Kyle Shanahan.
I don't really see what the big deal is, if I were running a business like the NFL I would want people around me that I know I can trust. It's not like his brother is an artist with no knowledge of football and placing him in the role of the head coach.
What is the average logevity of a HC with one team in the NFL?
Dont know this answer but it would give insight into how McNair thinks.
McNair is probably a guy who doesn't like change. He only makes changes if not making a change is going to cost him money.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Well, thank you for your input. I do appreciate it. It just wasn't the answer I was looking for. Qualifications, experience, respect league-wise and whatnot. That kind of question...
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Oooooorrrr.... refer back to the post you repped Ole Miss Texan on.