JaDeveon Clowney

[thunderkyss]

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Doc, I know you're not part of the staff, so there's no way you'd know for sure, but given that, do you think Clowney's knee is actually swelling up, or is Clowney just saying that it is?

Because if it's the latter, that would explain two things. Why OB is unhappy with him, and why they haven't IR'd him.

If they listed him as Did not practice, chances are pretty good his knee is swelling. No way they'd keep a rookie (clearly struggling with his responsibilities) from practice if they didn't need to.

Arian or Andre, it's harder to draw conclusion, but Clowney not practicing says a lot.

 

[Marcus]

If they listed him as Did not practice, chances are pretty good his knee is swelling. No way they'd keep a rookie (clearly struggling with his responsibilities) from practice if they didn't need to.

Arian or Andre, it's harder to draw conclusion, but Clowney not practicing says a lot.

Well then it doesn't make sense to me why they don't IR him then. If his knee is continuing to swell, aren't they risking down-the-line permanent damage? I know that's a Doc question, but there's got to be something else going on.

 

[Playoffs]

Head Coach Bill O’Brien

(on the possibility of shutting down OLB Jadeveon Clowney) “I wouldn’t say at this point, no. I think we’ve got to continue to manage it and he’s got to continue to get treatment on it. I think again like I said two weeks ago, part of it is just being unlucky. He’s had a year here that’s been tough for him as far as injuries go. He had the hernia at the beginning of the year, he had the concussion in the Denver game, he’s got the knee he’s dealing with for all of the year. He’s played some. Sometimes he hasn’t been able to play. I think we’ve got to continue to manage it and communicate with him as to how he feels and just stay on that road right now.”

Defensive Coordinator Romeo Crennel

(on OLB Jadeveon Clowney not likely playing this Sunday) “He’s still trying to work that knee out and trying to get it right, so he will not be with us on Sunday.”

(on considering shutting down OLB Jadeveon Clowney for the season) “We have to depend on the medical department in that area so that they can kind of let us know what’s going on and what we need to think about. The kid wants to play and he enjoys being out there. Just seems like when he does go out there that he has a flare up, and then we’ve got to get it settled down again. We’ve still got a few more games to play, so we’ll see if it can get better. If he can, chances are that we’ll put him back out there.”

(on OLB Jadeveon Clowney’s play being limited maybe in his mind because of his quickness and not being able to rely on his knee) “That’s definitely in his mind. He wants to be able to do the things that he knows he can do, but he hasn’t been able to do it to this point.”

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I don't recall Belichick taking tacky-assed cheap shots at his players like this. Maybe he did, I just don't recall hearing about it.

That was a Parcell's thing . Remember the Terry Glenn comments ?

 

[Playoffs]

We have a tale of two injuries...

I wish it was just the two. I've been following these medical malaprops for 3 years now with the Texans, and have been getting educated by Dr. CND more recently. This is, in my opinion, a systemic problem within the organization. O'Brien, having just walked in the door, doesn't have the benefit of hindsight that we who have followed this team have.

And just to emphasize some of Dr. CND's points...

You said you thought Clowney should have had an overhaul and sit out the year after the hernia?

At the time of the hernia revelation, I was hoping that they would have addressed his bone spurs as well as any hip problems (which are so commonly associated with sports hernias). Time lost would only be determined after treatments pursued and postoperative progression observed.

With more time to evaluate , do you think he needs to shut it down and get everything fixed?

Again, the team doctors have made a determination not to address anything other than his post meniscus surgery situation. As long as he has continued swelling, rest is mandatory. There is no reason to not believe Clowney when he is quoted as saying he indeed has swelling of his knee.........this is not a subjective finding and would readily be evident to any doctor or trainer with access to him.

Do you think the Texans should stop extending contracts after major injuries ( Cushing & Schaub )?

Yes. Especially since these have not been structured on the basis of incentives and ability to perform to a certain level.

Is this a sign that the don't put enough emphasis on injuries?

This is a sign of short-sidedness at many levels.

"Short-sidedness on many levels" is an understatement. Even a knucklehead like me "saw" the Schaub outcome coming -- when I hear Lisfranc or microfracture surgery...

 

[Lucky]

It's time to sit Clowney and get ready for the 2015 season. Yeah, the Texans will get flak for taking Clowney over (insert your favorite player here). So be it. He's not ready and won't be ready this year.

 

[thunderkyss]

I wish it was just the two. I've been following these medical malaprops for 3 years now with the Texans, and have been getting educated by Dr. CND more recently. This is, in my opinion, a systemic problem within the organization. O'Brien, having just walked in the door, doesn't have the benefit of hindsight that we who have followed this team have.

And just to emphasize some of Dr. CND's points...

You said you thought Clowney should have had an overhaul and sit out the year after the hernia?

At the time of the hernia revelation, I was hoping that they would have addressed his bone spurs as well as any hip problems (which are so commonly associated with sports hernias). Time lost would only be determined after treatments pursued and postoperative progression observed.

Technically...... neither the hernia or the bone spurs have presented to be an issue. Jadeveon Clowney has been held out of games resulting from an injury that happened week 1 of the regular season. Complications from that recovery has made his availability spotty.

With more time to evaluate , do you think he needs to shut it down and get everything fixed?

Again, the team doctors have made a determination not to address anything other than his post meniscus surgery situation. As long as he has continued swelling, rest is mandatory. There is no reason to not believe Clowney when he is quoted as saying he indeed has swelling of his knee.........this is not a subjective finding and would readily be evident to any doctor or trainer with access to him.

Again, I don't read this to say, "The Texans should have known & they are rushing Clowney back." He had his surgery, gone through rehab, was cleared for practice, was observed after practice... knee swelling or reports of a lot of pain & he was kept out of the game.

He continued rehab, was cleared for practice, worked out with the team, observed after practice, cleared for the game, played the game, reports of swelling & pain, he was shut down & held out of practice & the following game.

He continued rehab, was cleared for practice, worked out with the team, his condition was assessed after practice, was cleared for the game, he played, they re-assessed the information, now it is being reported that his knee is swelling & there is obvious pain.... he's being held out of practice.

Just like CnD is saying, the body says stop & they stop. A swollen knee does not mean you put him on IR. It's an injury that has to be managed & the Texans are managing it.

It's not like the Texans are draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers then throwing him out there on game day. If there's any swelling or pain, he's being kept out of practice & he's not playing Sunday if he doesn't practice.

Do you think the Texans should stop extending contracts after major injuries ( Cushing & Schaub )?

Yes. Especially since these have not been structured on the basis of incentives and ability to perform to a certain level.

Is this a sign that the don't put enough emphasis on injuries?

This is a sign of short-sidedness at many levels.

"Short-sidedness on many levels" is an understatement. Even a knucklehead like me "saw" the Schaub outcome coming -- when I hear Lisfranc or microfracture surgery...

Here, I have to disagree.

Schaub was given a contract to prove he can perform at an elite level. He basically had two years to do so. He did not, we traded him. The contract was set up to allow us to do it on our time-table. We won 12 games the first year of that contract, with Schaub playing at a high level for much of them. We won a play-off game, with Schaub starting.

He did not beat Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, but it's not like we thought he would, or that we were paying him like them.

Cushing... after his first knee injury, CnD reported that we should expect Cushing to return to pre-injury performance with a high level of probability. I believe he even mentioned the contract as a win for the Texans.

& it's not like there was no contact with Cushing's second injury, or that there were complications with his recovery. Someone could put their helmet through Jj Watt's knee Sunday & it would be no different than what happened with Cush. An injury after the contract that had nothing to do with any previous injury.

 

[Playoffs]

It's not like the Texans are draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers then throwing him out there on game day...

That's exactly what they did...

I came in on the tail end of of an interview earlier this evening with McClain, who unless I didn't hear it right said that Clowney was well "shot up" for last Sunday's game...........never a great idea to mask our body's strongest and most important post-injury/post-surgery feedback message to us.........pain.

Those dumba$$es.

Yeah I heard and interview right after the game (pretty sure it was him) and they asked if when he went to the locker room during the game if he got a shot, and he replied that yes they gave him a shot for the pain.

And our medical staff has what kind of credentials?

Try to keep up if you're going to question Dr. CND's medical opinions.

 

[thunderkyss]

That's exactly what they did...

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Try to keep up if you're going to question Dr. CND's medical opinions.

Giving him a shot to manage the pain is not exactly the same as "draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers"

& I have no issues with CnD, it's just the way some interpret what CnD says.

 

[steelbtexan]

Giving him a shot to manage the pain is not exactly the same as "draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers"

& I have no issues with CnD, it's just the way some interpret what CnD says.

You mean interpret correctly.

You're wrong on this one.

Fact is through 3 regimes the only constant has been the Texans medical staff and they've had multiple screw-ups with all 3 regimes. It's past time for the Texans to hire a new medical staff.

 

[JB]

Cushing... after his first knee injury, CnD reported that we should expect Cushing to return to pre-injury performance with a high level of probability. I believe he even mentioned the contract as a win for the Texans.

And that was exactly the case...

 

[JB]

Fact is through 3 regimes the only constant has been the Texans medical staff and they've had multiple screw-ups with all 3 regimes. It's past time for the Texans to hire a new medical staff.

Yup

Methodist medicine... they're not practicing it, they're leading it.

the only consistent thing about the Texans since their inception has been the medical team and it has been consistently bad

 

[thunderkyss]

You mean interpret correctly.

You're wrong on this one.

Fact is through 3 regimes the only constant has been the Texans medical staff and they've had multiple screw-ups with all 3 regimes. It's past time for the Texans to hire a new medical staff.

I think there's been plenty of evidence to support questioning the Texans' ability to make sound decisions based on the information available to them at the time. Dominic Davis, Matt Schaub... Then there are the incidents that show they clearly overreacted. Demeco Ryans... Owen Daniels.

But we've got plenty here who want to paint the Texans as such a bad organization that they twist other decisions into the wrong category. Cushing's knee was fine, that contract made sense. As did Fosters. Letting Dunta go was also a good decision.

They are managing Clowney's injury as well as you could expect... maybe there's a tendency not to believe how much pain he's experiencing because of some of the things he had been through in college & they're going to the "swollen" stage more often than they should...

But it sounds like they're going through the same protocol they're using with Cushing.

 

[ghostlight]

I'm very frustrated with the injuries to Clowney and Nix. Expectations were high for me on those two so the let down for this year is severe.

 

[disaacks3]

I don't recall Belichick taking tacky-assed cheap shots at his players like this. Maybe he did, I just don't recall hearing about it.

Meh, that's not too cheap a shot. If Clowney is too dense to get the message the first time (when he started talking injuries to the press), I'd expect this theme to re-occur. Supposedly the kid has advisors.

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[CloakNNNdagger]

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Again, I don't read this to say, "The Texans should have known & they are rushing Clowney back." He had his surgery, gone through rehab, was cleared for practice, was observed after practice... knee swelling or reports of a lot of pain & he was kept out of the game.

He continued rehab, was cleared for practice, worked out with the team, observed after practice, cleared for the game, played the game, reports of swelling & pain, he was shut down & held out of practice & the following game.

He continued rehab, was cleared for practice, worked out with the team, his condition was assessed after practice, was cleared for the game, he played, they re-assessed the information, now it is being reported that his knee is swelling & there is obvious pain.... he's being held out of practice.

Just like CnD is saying, the body says stop & they stop. A swollen knee does not mean you put him on IR. It's an injury that has to be managed & the Texans are managing it.

Clowney NEVER had a FULL practice prior to any game he was allowed to play in. If he was not able to ever participate in FULL practice thoughout any entire week thus far, especially as a rookie (the vet experience excuse being invalid), it told me, even without any further information, all I needed to know about his status of rehab and preparedness to take the field.........it was inadequate for playing without limitations........something was not right with his knee or practices would not continually have been EXCLUSIVELY DNP or LIMITED.

It's not like the Texans are draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers then throwing him out there on game day. If there's any swelling or pain, he's being kept out of practice & he's not playing Sunday if he doesn't practice.

They did. This has been reported earlier.

 

[Texian]

Meh, that's not too cheap a shot. If Clowney is too dense to get the message the first time (when he started talking injuries to the press), I'd expect this theme to re-occur. Supposedly the kid has advisors.

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You may have hit the nail on the head with Clowney with your "Clowney is too dense" statement, validated by his 14 Wonderlic score....now, que up the posters who will want to argue, you don't need no stinking Wonderlic to rush the passer and display their very own 14 Wonderlic score.

 

[humblegeo]

Not too bright, not too concerned, and not to good. Very low impact player up to this point and clearly not worthy of the #1 overall pick in the entire 2014 draft. So far a major dissapointment and certainly doesn't seem very concerned with his jolly go lucky attitude.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

You may have hit the nail on the head with Clowney with your "Clowney is too dense" statement, validated by his 14 Wonderlic score....now, que up the posters who will want to argue, you don't need no stinking Wonderlic to rush the passer and display their very own 14 Wonderlic score.

I would hesitate to indict Clowney as "too dense" to respond appropriately to his response to injury........AJ has not exactly made all that good decisions (with the help of the medical staff) re. the handling of some of his injuries......with his own 14 Wonderlic.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I would hesitate to indict Clowney as "too dense" to respond appropriately to his response to injury........AJ has not exactly made all that good decisions (with the help of the medical staff) re. the handling of some of his injuries......with his own 14 Wonderlic.

This may be the best thing to happen to him . I suspect he's been getting by on his off the chart talents which get you picked #1 . Now it's time to hit the gym and work on his game if he wants to realize that potential . The jury hasn't even been selected on that verdict .

 

[Marcus]

I would hesitate to indict Clowney as "too dense" to respond appropriately to his response to injury........AJ has not exactly made all that good decisions (with the help of the medical staff) re. the handling of some of his injuries......with his own 14 Wonderlic.

Hey Doc, I realize I'm putting you on the spot, but given what has happened this year, what is your confidence level that he can come back next year and be the player that is worthy of a #1 overall draft pick?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Hey Doc, I realize I'm putting you on the spot, but given what has happened this year, what is your confidence level that he can come back next year and be the player that is worthy of a #1 overall draft pick?

First of all I hope that if they haven't already done so, they repeat the MRI to see if there is any loose material floating around in the joint or any extension of his original injury or originally overlooked injury (in which cases, it would not be surprising for us to hear that he will have undergone a second arthroscopic surgery in the future). Next, if his swelling and pain continue to the point that it significantly affects his ability to perform (his lateral mobility has been undoubtedly severely affect as demonstrated in games), he undergoes appropriate rest followed by rehab before allowing him to even practice.......and I understand that the length of time that may be involved may not play out before the end of the season (and therefore there may be consideration for putting him on the IR).

Next, ANY potential surgical problems (bone spurs, knee, hip, contralateral sports hernia if developing, etc) be addressed as soon as his season is over..........and he is allowed the subsequent needed and unhurried rest and rehab prior to be thrown back onto the practice field. It is only then that I would be comfortable in saying that he has a very good chance of returning next year as the player we expect him to be.

 

[steelbtexan]

First of all I hope that if they haven't already done so, they repeat the MRI to see if there is any loose material floating around in the joint or any extension of his original injury or originally overlooked injury (in which cases, it would not be surprising for us to hear that he will have undergone a second arthroscopic surgery in the future). Next, if his swelling and pain continue to the point that it significantly affects his ability to perform (his lateral mobility has been undoubtedly severely affect as demonstrated in games), he undergoes appropriate rest followed by rehab before allowing him to even practice.......and I understand that the length of time that may be involved may not play out before the end of the season (and therefore there may be consideration for putting him on the IR).

Next, ANY potential surgical problems (bone spurs, knee, hip, contralateral sports hernia if developing, etc) be addressed as soon as his season is over..........and he is allowed the subsequent needed and unhurried rest and rehab prior to be thrown back onto the practice field. It is only then that I would be comfortable in saying that he has a very good chance of returning next year as the player we expect him to be.

I think he will have to have another surgery after the season is over. (Hopefully they IR him after they're out of the playoff hunt.) My questions are if he has another surgery on his knee, can they fix the bone spurs at the same time and what are the odds of Clowney being ready for OTA's if they IR him in 3-4 weeks?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I think he will have to have another surgery after the season is over. (Hopefully they IR him after they're out of the playoff hunt.) My questions are if he has another surgery on his knee, can they fix the bone spurs at the same time and what are the odds of Clowney being ready for OTA's if they IR him in 3-4 weeks?

Barring any catastrophic surgical findings in any of the scenarios I listed above, even if there is a sports hernia-associated femoralacetabular impingement present and the hip operated upon, return to play should expected by 16 weeks postop. Because of Clowney's prolonged pain and swelling of the knee, you must automatically think of the possibility of another initially-overlooked knee structure injury. Beyond that, the other situation I would fear (both of these possibilities are why I hope another MRI is obtained) is an extension to a larger lateral meniscus tear which you would not want to simply excise (because it would significantly increase the risk of developing debilitating arthritis), but would try to repair. This can happen when an inadequate excision/debridement of the meniscus is performed at initial surgery, trying to minimize the amount of removal...... in attempt to also avoid a repair, which would have immediately put an end to his season early on. This repair could be a recovery that could take anywhere from 6-9 months.

His knee problem now does not look like it will allow Clowney to be fully functional anytime soon......certainly, doubtful for any Texan playoff run (something even more doubtful). I would therefore give serious consideration to shutting things down and addressing any existing problems as soon as possible.

 

[Playoffs]

femoralacetabular impingement...

That'll leave a mark...

...This can happen when an inadequate excision/debridement of the meniscus is performed at initial surgery, trying to minimize the amount of removal...... in attempt to also avoid a repair, which would have immediately put an end to his season early on.

Sounds like more medical malaprops from Team Texan..... just rub some dirt on it and get back in there.

What do they call the procedure where we adequately excise the entire Texans medical training staff who weren't specifically brought in by O'Brien? (Without anesthesia.)

 

[steelbtexan]

That'll leave a mark...

Sounds like more medical malaprops from Team Texan..... just rub some dirt on it and get back in there.

What do they call the procedure where we adequately excise the entire Texans medical training staff who weren't specifically brought in by O'Brien? (Without anesthesia.)

Exorcism of the medical staff/Rick Smith are things I could easily get on board with.

 

[thunderkyss]

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Clowney NEVER had a FULL practice prior to any game he was allowed to play in. If he was not able to ever participate in FULL practice thoughout any entire week thus far, especially as a rookie (the vet experience excuse being invalid), it told me, even without any further information, all I needed to know about his status of rehab and preparedness to take the field.........it was inadequate for playing without limitations........something was not right with his knee or practices would not continually have been EXCLUSIVELY DNP or LIMITED.

I understand your position, but neither of us know why he was limited in practice. For all we know this is part of their "management" of the injury. So we don't know if he was held out of full participation as part of the management process, or if he was "not able" to fully participate.... two different things.

It's not like the Texans are draining his knee & shooting him up with pain killers then throwing him out there on game day. If there's any swelling or pain, he's being kept out of practice & he's not playing Sunday if he doesn't practice.

They did. This has been reported earlier.

I missed where they drained his knee.

 

[Nitrofish]

You mean interpret correctly.

You're wrong on this one.

Fact is through 3 regimes the only constant has been the Texans medical staff and they've had multiple screw-ups with all 3 regimes. It's past time for the Texans to hire a new medical staff.

I agree with this. Personally I would have taken out all the garbage when I made the coaching change, including GM, medical staff, grounds keepers, etc. But what do I know.

 

[Seegara]

I agree with this. Personally I would have taken out all the garbage when I made the coaching change, including GM, medical staff, grounds keepers, etc. But what do I know.

A lot.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Wish they were as cautious with Mallett going into and through last week as they're being with Clowney.

Oh well.

 

[humblegeo]

Last interview I saw of Clowney he seemed like a jolly go lucky kid not too concerned about if he would play or not, just going with the flow, letting it heal and just having a great time. It is what it is. No help to the team this year, maybe next season.

 

[Texian]

That'll leave a mark...

Sounds like more medical malaprops from Team Texan..... just rub some dirt on it and get back in there.

What do they call the procedure where we adequately excise the entire Texans medical training staff who weren't specifically brought in by O'Brien? (Without anesthesia.)

enema?

 

[IDEXAN]

Jadeveon Clowney will miss another game Sunday.
That is not good. Not what the Texans wanted when they drafted him. Not much of an early return on such a major investment.
But that is all.
No other rational conclusions can be drawn from Clowney's injury-plagued rookie campaign.
"The kid wants to play, and he enjoys being out there," Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel said Friday. "Just seems like when he does go out there that he has a flare-up, and then we've got to get it settled down again."
Clowney returned to practice about six weeks after he had knee surgery in September. When tested, his knee swells up. A team source says he is in constant pain.

After the Titans matchup, Clowney will have played in only four of 12 games, meaning the Texans' top pick, the first overall pick in the NFL draft this year, will miss at least half of his first season in the NFL.

Good for him.

It isn't good he won'tbe able to play or that he has missed the same number of games as he has tackles (seven). But it's good he is smart enough not to play.

If Clowney allowed chatter to drive his decision, the 21-year-old linebacker would hide his injury, go out there Sunday, and risk his career just to quiet critics.O'Brien in his corner

It was good to see coach Bill O'Brien stand up for Clowney on Friday, pointing out that luck has played a role in the disappointing season.

Clowney is in his first year of professional football, the first chapter. The last chapter will come soon enough. No need in forcing it as he recovers from knee surgery.

The criticism of Clowney is out of bounds, considering the few facts in play.

Unless you were in the operating room making the incisions, you probably know little about what his surgery entailed.

Unless you were on the operating table, in recovery, in rehab, you probably know little about the aftereffects of the surgery.

Unless your name is Jadeveon Clowney, you have no idea how bad Jadeveon Clowney wants to play.

Yet many of you think "Is Clowney a bust?" is a topic worthy of discussion.

"I did not understand how quickly you could go from being the best player coming out of college to being a bust," Hall of Fame defensive end Bruce Smith once told me.

Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in 1985, struggled his first season and was benched by the 2-14 Bills, whose coach was fired after an 0-4 start. As you might imagine, media and fans had the nerve to describe Smith as a wasted draft pick before he had finished his first season.

Clowney, who has started two games and undergone two surgeries, is experiencing the same thing.

One person on Twitter (@Hill713) had the nerve to compare Clowney to quarterback JaMarcus Russell, the 2007 No. 1 pick, who as far as most of us know has but two things in common with Clowney: He's tall and black.

Another, clearly benefiting from the protective distance and anonymity of Twitter (@chuckymullen), intimated that Clowney is a sissy.

Clowney is seeing this and much worse because he had the nerve to suffer a serious injury. (If it required surgery, it is a serious injury.)

For the most part, professional athletes can't win when it comes to playing with pain. If they play poorly because of an injury, they are criticized for their performance. If they don't play because of an injury, their heart is questioned.

If they retire and tell the world the league's doctors drugged them up and all but coerced them to suit up when they had no business playing, they are told they should have known the risks. If they weigh the risks and sit out to protect their long-term health, they are subject to the Derrick Rose treatment.

Everyone's human

As often as they are referred to as beasts, athletes are human. If you want to see remarkable animals, catch the Budweiser Clydesdales at NRG Stadium on Sunday. There will be nothing but men on the football field. One young man with an injured knee won't be there.

Criticize Clowney's on-field production. Take shots at him for missing a tackle, misreading a play, or misremembering an assignment.

But don't dog him for missing games because he is too injured to play.

Do better, football fan.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...jects-Clowney-to-unjust-criticism-5923660.php
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Lot a mean ole bullys on this website like to say mean, hurtful things and just pick on poor JD in general, and according to Solomon that's unjust.

 

[Marcus]

Now, that's mighty rich of Solomon to write that, coming right after the "rookies are invisible" column he wrote just the day before, don't ya think?

He's a two-faced hack that's taking things a little too serious on his Twitter account.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Hmm, might be a legit concern?

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL · 7m7 minutes ago
Jadeveon Clowney is getting a second opinion on his injured knee from Dr. James Andrews Wednesday.

 

[DX-TEX]

Hmm, might be a legit concern?

Take a salt tablet, man up and get yo ass out there! We have a division to win!

 

[Runner]

Hmm, might be a legit concern?

I've never thought otherwise - about any of his multiple injuries.

 

[silvrhand]

Look if the guy is really hurt, do we really want to see RG3 v2.0 here, I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt, let him heal up.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Dr. Death James Andrews.

 

[Playoffs]

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Jadeveon Clowney is getting a second opinion on his injured knee from Dr. James Andrews Wednesday.

As Dr. CND has said, the surgeon either tried to get away with a partial and it didn't work or the trainers/medical team allowed him back on the field too soon -- like when it required the Torodol shots -- and created a reinjury that will require another surgery. Likely something floating around in there to cause "severe pain" at this point.

Frankly after RGIII, I'm not much invested in Andrews anymore... but I hope he'll at least address the bone spurs with O'Brien -- don't trust anyone else here to "interpret" the truth.

 

[gary]

There were questions surrounding Clowney before the draft but this injury is making things worse.

 

[Troy Chapman]

On the surface this appears to be a miscue by Houston's medical staff.

 

[JB]

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL


As Dr. CND has said, the surgeon either tried to get away with a partial and it didn't work or the trainers/medical team allowed him back on the field too soon -- like when it required the Torodol shots -- and created a reinjury that will require another surgery. Likely something floating around in there to cause "severe pain" at this point.

Frankly after RGIII, I'm not much invested in Andrews anymore... but I hope he'll at least address the bone spurs with O'Brien -- don't trust anyone else here to "interpret" the truth.

They said on the radio yesterday ( Ted Johnson's show ) that instead of doing a repair of the meniscus that would have sidelined JD for a year, they elected to do a arthoscopic shaving that would allow him to get back on the field.

Doesn't look like a good decision now, not sure whose it was or who recommended it.

 

[Double Barrel]

Just curious where the line in the sand is for someone being "injury prone".

I'm not saying Clowney has crossed that line, but just wondering where that line is at for fans.

Dictionary defines injury prone as "often sustaining injuries". Kind of generic, but simple and to the point. By this definition, it would be hard not to say that Clowney is injury prone.

And this is not a criticism of Clowney or the Texans. Hindsight is 20/20, so not going there.

But, I have to wonder, and do hope that this is not a sign of things to come....all things considered.

 

[Playoffs]

Just curious where the line in the sand is for someone being "injury prone"...

Injury prone fits. So does unlucky.

They said on the radio yesterday ( Ted Johnson's show ) that instead of doing a repair of the meniscus that would have sidelined JD for a year, they elected to do a arthoscopic shaving that would allow him to get back on the field. Doesn't look like a good decision now, not sure whose it was or who recommended it.

Who was the source on that, if you recall?

 

[PapaL]

To me injury prone is out multiple seasons with injuries; see Brian Cushing. 0-1 isn't injury prone in my eyes.

 

[JB]

Injury prone fits. So does unlucky.



Who was the source on that, if you recall?

Teddy and Sean were just talking, I don't recall them mentioning a source but talked like it was Clowneys decision. They were talking about OB's statements about JD, mentioned something about JD's decisions and hindsight.

I'll see if I can find from their show

Edit: Can't find it, and to be honest I ain't got the best memory in the world anymore. They were talking about scraping vs reparing. They were talking about Clowney and his decisions

 

[Dishman]

Take a salt tablet, man up and get yo ass out there! We have a division to win!

Not sure how to embed, but you remind me of Coach Sauers.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCm8UrCaLaM

 

[Playoffs]

Teddy and Sean were just talking, I don't recall them mentioning a source but talked like it was Clowneys decision. They were talking about OB's statements about JD, mentioned something about JD's decisions and hindsight.

Can't find it...They were talking about scraping vs reparing. They were talking about Clowney and his decisions

I've asked, but no reply.

Not really a decision I'd leave to a rookie -- Do you want to play this year or next year?

If explained to him the way Dr. CND explained it to me, pretty simple answer.

As I've said before, somebody has to protect these players from themselves (and sometimes from their coaches or team).

 

[beerlover]

Just curious where the line in the sand is for someone being "injury prone".

I'm not saying Clowney has crossed that line, but just wondering where that line is at for fans.

Dictionary defines injury prone as "often sustaining injuries". Kind of generic, but simple and to the point. By this definition, it would be hard not to say that Clowney is injury prone.

And this is not a criticism of Clowney or the Texans. Hindsight is 20/20, so not going there.

But, I have to wonder, and do hope that this is not a sign of things to come....all things considered.

Better than 50% chance moving forward not a good label but it applies.