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What I posted is consistent with that.Watson can force something earlier. They wont frachise tag him year after year
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What I posted is consistent with that.Watson can force something earlier. They wont frachise tag him year after year
True and this is the reason I would have held onto him. Philly is hurting at WR bad and if they wouldn't give up a 1st that speaks volumes.
Yes they had interest, Clowney did not..how is that on BoB? Hell, from what Clowney himself said, he says BoB told him when he came in to sign the tender that he was going to trade him to Miami & according to Clowney, that’s when he decided NOT to sign it; b/c he wanted to “play for a contender”...thereby sabotaging the deal. Bob was in effect being straight up with the dude. He could’ve not told him anything, watched him sign it and then shipped his ass outta here in the deal without telling him **** until after.
by finagling out of the reported Miami deal...whatever it was, Clowney thought he was going to be able finesse Seattle and other teams into giving him what the Texans wouldn’t. Fatal mistep on his part considering that Miami was all too willing to do that.........if he had just signed the tender. He’s now dealing with the fallout of that decision.
In you guys’ disgust for BoB ya’ll are simultaneously giving these players a pass.
What I posted is consistent with that.
I get it. I just don't think that Watson has same issues that Hopkins or even Clowney presented But I can be overly optimistic.I think you're missing my point. I have zero confidence in OB orchestrating a trade involving Deshaun Watson that would net the Texans the compensation that he is worth.
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Agreed. If a player wants to be traded badly enough he can work that out. Look what Antonio Brown did last year with the Raiders. Behavior like that would go against his character, and he would lose some money but Watson still has a choice in the matter. Hell, he could retire for a couple of years.Eh, if they want to keep him but he wants out, they'll honor his wishes.
So Clowney is talking out both sides of his mouth? He refuses to play for Miami b/c it's not about the money (they probably give him the money he wants) but all about winning. He finally gets traded to the Seahawks who are contenders, gets a decent season under his belt and when the Seahawks were ready to talk contract.....suddenly it's all about the money.
A smart GM would've had multiple teams on the hornand not just one team. Nor would a smart GM had sat in the corner and pouted b/c Clowney one upped him by shooting his first trade option down. What really happened.....OB just wasn't prepared to be a GM and much less the lead in orchestrating the Clowney trade.
So Clowney is talking out both sides of his mouth? He refuses to play for Miami b/c it's not about the money (they probably give him the money he wants) but all about winning. He finally gets traded to the Seahawks who are contenders, gets a decent season under his belt and when the Seahawks were ready to talk contract.....suddenly it's all about the money.
A smart GM would've had multiple teams on the hornand not just one team. Nor would a smart GM had sat in the corner and pouted b/c Clowney one upped him by shooting his first trade option down. What really happened.....OB just wasn't prepared to be a GM and much less the lead in orchestrating the Clowney trade.
Philly's WRs are hurting literally Desean Jackson (core muscle surgery) and Alshon Jeffery (lisfranc) end the season IR and account for 22 million or so. yes hurting, but lots of money already tied up at Wr with a guy wanting nearly double that amount. Speculating more went into that than pure player value.
On the bigger picture of did, the Texans get a better offer,? My guestimation is that BOB values a guy like Johnson so differently than most of the NFL that the Texans could have gotten a better offer in the eyes many others, but O'Brien did not like it as much as what he got.
So Clowney is talking out both sides of his mouth? He refuses to play for Miami b/c it's not about the money (they probably give him the money he wants) but all about winning. He finally gets traded to the Seahawks who are contenders, gets a decent season under his belt and when the Seahawks were ready to talk contract.....suddenly it's all about the money.
A smart GM would've had multiple teams on the hornand not just one team. Nor would a smart GM had sat in the corner and pouted b/c Clowney one upped him by shooting his first trade option down. What really happened.....OB just wasn't prepared to be a GM and much less the lead in orchestrating the Clowney trade.
because he said a smart GM?
I never said it wasn’t OB’s decision. Not sure why I was quoted originally.It means Watson's under contract and the front office holds the cards, which includes a franchise tag and now a team-favorable CBA. If Watson is not a Texan within the next three years, it's O'Brien's decision, not Watson's.
And unfortunately that's a real risk because O'Brien is the GM version of the Joker shooting hostages to get what he wants.
Stop making stuff up. I actually believed your post until I saw what we got in the trade.**BREAKING*** Texans trade Watson to Patriots for a Gronk Jersey(used) and an 5th round pick
found this not long after posting here (Philly local source, so there is that)
Howie Roseman explains why Eagles didn't trade for DeAndre Hopkins
When the Arizona Cardinals pulled off what appeared to be the heist of the century, nabbing DeAndre Hopkins from the Cardinals for David Johnson and a second-round pick, Eagles fans had a question for Howie Roseman: Hey Howie, ARE YOU AWAKE!?!? Because that deal was just too good to be true...www.nbcsports.com
Cap space now is approximately 35 million but they won't lose it if they don't use it. Roll over 2021 if not used this year.I don't really buy it since they made all this cap room to pay Watson and Tunsil plus you got Watson for two more years plus two more tag years; he's not going anywhere
Cap space now is approximately 35 million but they won't lose it if they don't use it. Roll over 2021 if not used this year.
It will be difficult to remain a fan if they trade Watson.
The team appears rudderless with OB as GM.
Maybe because Deshaun Watson IS the only player that’s worth a damn in the entire roster? He’s the face of the franchise wether the O’Brien apologists like it or not. Top 10, maybe even 5 (active) QB.Why?
You like mediocrity?
Why?
You like mediocrity?
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think O’Brien is a failure as a HC. I just haven’t seen him improve at anything over the last 6 years. And I’ve seen his ceiling - he’s reached it. His teams can on very rare occasions be competitive against some of games best but they can also come out flat and uninspired against less talented teams. Those types of games are his floor. Recent example occurred this past season when the Texans got their asses handed to them at home by Denver. That game was over by halftime. That was also the game where old “teapot” blew his top heading into the tunnel.I don't agree that Watson is mediocre.
I am not sure exactly what OB is trying to do, not sure he does either, but so far OB is where the mediocrity falls.
Only thing that OB has proven during his tenure is that he is a failure as a coach and now he is failing as a GM.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think O’Brien is a failure as a HC. I just haven’t seen him improve at anything over the last 6 years. And I’ve seen his ceiling - he’s reached it. His teams can on very rare occasions be competitive against some of games best but they can also come out flat and uninspired against less talented teams. Those types of games are his floor. Recent example occurred this past season when the Texans got their asses handed to them at home by Denver. That game was over by halftime. That was also the game where old “teapot” blew his top heading into the tunnel.
I believe with O’Brien being now the official GM as well as HC we’re going to see less of the BoB ceiling and more of the floor.
Sounds like the definition of mediocre to me.
Appreciate the reply.
curious what do you think that another NFL team would trade for him? Not what you think his value is or what I think his value is, but what other NFL teams would be willing to give up to get him.I was just watching FS1 and it was stated that DW4 left cryptic tweets that he is unhappy with the situation in Houston with the Texans. Where there is smoke there is fire. I would not be surprised if BO'b deals with the situation by trading DW4 and settles for far less than his trade value.
I doubt any teams are desperate enough to give us what anyone would consider a fair trade. With a talent like Cam Newton available for as long as he has been and still no takers it appears the market for a Qb is not as big as it usually is. Plus most teams figure BO'b will be mad enough to give DW4 away for less than what most people and GM's would consider a fair deal.curious what do you think that another NFL team would trade for him? Not what you think his value is or what I think his value is, but what other NFL teams would be willing to give up to get him.
Thanks for response. Raiders trade Derek Carr would you be okay with 1.12 + 1.18 this draft and a 2021 third?I doubt any teams are desperate enough to give us what anyone would consider a fair trade. With a talent like Cam Newton available for as long as he has been and still no takers it appears the market for a Qb is not as big as it usually is. Plus most teams figure BO'b will be mad enough to give DW4 away for less than what most people and GM's would consider a fair deal.
I am not sure of the compensation in players coming with the trade but I would expect a few first and some top four draft picks for this season and next.
Maybe because Deshaun Watson IS the only player that’s worth a damn in the entire roster? He’s the face of the franchise wether the O’Brien apologists like it or not. Top 10, maybe even 5 (active) QB.
Both trade scenarios look good to me.Thanks for response. Raiders trade Derek Carr would you be okay with 1.12 + 1.18 this draft and a 2021 third?
Say 1.12 WR Jerry Judy or Cee Dee Lamb and 1.18 QB Jordan Love 2.40 WR Jaylen Raegor 2.57 RG Robert Hunt?
In your opinion.
I'm of the opinion he held back the offense last yr. Look at the last 5 games, he was bad whether the WOF's want to admit that or not.
Thanks for response. Raiders trade Derek Carr would you be okay with 1.12 + 1.18 this draft and a 2021 third?
I don't agree that Watson is mediocre.
I am not sure exactly what OB is trying to do, not sure he does either, but so far OB is where the mediocrity falls.
Only thing that OB has proven during his tenure is that he is a failure as a coach and now he is failing as a GM.
Yep. O'Brien was trotting out a perennial top 10 offense and then Watson showed up and held the offense back. It's all Watson's fault that the offense has underachieved since 2014.
I expect David Johnson $7 m and Watt $17.5 m off roster after this year plus we have $80 m cap space not including extra from new CBA. In addition as of now we can roll over $30 m from 2020. Trouble..?Would be hard to turn this down... would put you in cap trouble in 4 years but that could be dealt with
I expect David Johnson $7 m and Watt $17.5 m off roster after this year plus we have $80 m cap space not including extra from new CBA. In addition as of now we can roll over $30 m from 2020. Trouble..?
With a talent like Cam Newton available for as long as he has been and still no takers it appears the market for a Qb is not as big as it usually is.
In addition to Tunsil, you will be having a huge percentage of your core group hitting at the same time with all those high draft picks .
What high draft picks?
18 places in the draft and 12m for a broken down rb who going to get cut. The should've gotten the wr from AM and not taken Johnson salary.MIN- 2019 Stefon Diggs / G: 15 / R: 63 / Y: 1,130 / TD: 6
HOU- 2019 DeAndre Hopkins / G: 15 / R: 104 / Y: 1,165 / TD: 7
The Vikings get from the Bills:
2020 RD1-22-022 / RD5-22-168 / RD6-22-202 / 2021 RD4-??-???
The Bills get from the Vikings:
WR- Stefon Diggs (14.5M 2020 Cap) / RD7-25-240
The Texans get from the Cardinals:
RB- David Johnson (11.2M 2020 Cap) / 2020 RD2-05-040 / 2021 RD4-??-???
The Cardinals get from the Texans:
WR- DeAndre Hopkins (12.5M 2020 Cap Non-Guaranteed / 2020 RD4-25-131
Again, explain how the Vikings did so well moving Diggs and the Texans are left with egg on their face moving Hopkins.
Or the market is not sold Cam's Lisfranc recovery.
If I had to stake my name as to what has prevented Watson from evolving into a top 5 QB in the NFL, the first facts will and should point directly at OB and his offensive genius or lack thereof.
Exactly we don’t know he took the best offer. Most likely he didn’t. And from what I’ve read from Philadelphia it was OB that was laying out the offers. He was the one calling and asking for specific players.Philly's WRs are hurting literally Desean Jackson (core muscle surgery) and Alshon Jeffery (lisfranc) end the season IR and account for 22 million or so. yes hurting, but lots of money already tied up at Wr with a guy wanting nearly double that amount. Speculating more went into that than pure player value.
On the bigger picture of did, the Texans get a better offer,? My guestimation is that BOB values a guy like Johnson so differently than most of the NFL that the Texans could have gotten a better offer in the eyes many others, but O'Brien did not like it as much as what he got.
Yes and no. It’s his ability to take a **** play and make something happen on his own that separates him from so many other QBs.So you don't think Watson is a top 5 QB in the NFL? & if he were a top 5 QB in the NFL, would that be due to OB's offensive genius?
Yes and no. It’s his ability to take a **** play and make something happen on his own that separates him from so many other QBs.
Not gonna lie, there were plenty of times when Watson had me yelling at the TV for him to throw the god dang ball away instead of scrambling side to side. Aaron Rodgers does the same thing all the time. I still think Watson has more upside and untapped potential, we just need to get a coach that can tap into it.How many plays were there for DW4 to make that didn't get made. Alot of times he has to make thing out of nothing and it's because of his own doing because of his habit of holding onto the ball too long.