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Doc, how many times have you seen a DB drop a ball like this?
A #3 pick (not a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick ala Tartt or Nelson) is not expected to drop passes laid up to him on a silver platter.
And yet he has more interceptions than any other corner in his class.
My bad, I was just looking at the top guys. I know Tariq and Bland has more but who else?
It's not Stingley's fault he was the #3 pick. He's had a tough start to his pro career with 2 stints on the IR. But he's doing the best he can and is helping the team.
You're correct that it's not Stingley's fault he was the #3 pick. That falls squarely on Caserio & Lovie.
Right, so why bash the guy? Bash the guys who took him, if you must.
Is this the highest amount of O-line injuries in NFL history? Feels like it.
I believe so.
I do bash those guys.
Not surprised, this was Caserio's worst signing. 18 mil for a guy that Fant is as good as at RT and Howard sucks at LG. Avg overrated player who played like crap after he got paid. SMH, I called this.
In fairness given the tackle market and what we saw last summer Howard was always going to get that contract either here or elsewhere. I think it was a safe way to hedge.
Fant was not good at all last year, thus the reason why he was available. Props to him for getting his act together. Howard was solid last year, thus the reason why the Texans paid him. Unfortunately he got injured and Fant stepped in and is playing very good at RT. Moving him to a position that he’s not good at.
Howard has never been an 18 mil a year player. Regardless of how Fant plays I tried to tell y'all that once Howard got paid that his performance would drop and I'm talking about when he was playing LG before this season. As a RT he's always been an avg player. Caserio paid him for his potential rather than performance. What in Howard's past performance told you he should have been the 11th highest paid OT in the NFL. We're not talking about LT"s we're talking about all OT's.
Says who? The Texans believe he’s worth it. Are you saying you can do their jobs better?
I'm saying Caserio screwed the pooch on the Howard signing. Not anything more or less.
And I’m saying he didn’t.I'm saying Caserio screwed the pooch on the Howard signing. Not anything more or less.
11th highest paid OT in the NFL. Think about that for a moment.
And to think some call me a Caserio apologist.
You think Howard is is the 11 the best OT in the NFL and worth 18 million dollars per year? Wow.
I have... he's not the same person in real life as what most take him for here
Just to clarify, Howard is a $2.2 million player in 2023. His contract extension does not begin until next season and his prorated bonus begins with 2023 which impacts his cap but it's only because of the contract beginning in 2024. Even including the proration, he's a $7.2 million player.
I think after all of these yrs we've got a pretty good idea of who Howard is and it isn't an 18 a mil player. I tried to tell y'all and this isn't me being a know it all. All Howard will be is an avg RT. We can hope for the best, but I ain't gonna happen. I just hope that Caserio had a clause written that can get them out of the contract after yr 2. But who knows. This is a question for JWCasper. If you know how to tag him he probably will have the answer.
Howard can be let go after 2024 with very little cap ramifications.
Yep but he needs to play lights out to earn the 19 million dollar cap hit in 2024.
When has he ever played lights out?
His dead cap is $10.8M in 2025.
Gonna have to suck it up and admit Caserio made a mistake.
What would it be if he were a post-June 1st cut in 2025?
$6.3M is what I'm reading on OTC (Over the Cap).
According to their website they have 15 players on IR
Most seem to be happy with the play of Fant. I'd think that would kinda frame the "cost of replacement" discussion. Or, are you saying Howard would have been much, much better than Fant at RT?
Just one much.
An older NFL study showed that players suffering a patellar tendon rupture returned to play in 50% of cases. Those that returned, had significant problems with knee pain and stiffness. A newer study of men and women athletes showed a better return rate, BUT..............only when their BMI was less than 25............and then those that were able to return would return to what would be their best return performance (less than pre-injury) no sooner than ~18 months post repair.
That is the evidence I was looking for as I had read that a small tear had occurred before he was injured and went out in his last game but I could not find it again. Doc, did you see anything with Howard performance earlier this season? It seemed to me like he just wasn't comfortable in his stance whether it was in run or pass blocking.
I noticed, as a contrast to previous pattern, that for a while, he was not taking a low crouch nor was he strongly pushing off the line.......usually something that reflects a knee problem.
Carrying around all of that money made it impossible to get in a low crouch and possibly contributed to his knee injury.
Is this the same injury Derek Newton had when he somehow managed to rupture both?
Yes!
