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Hard Knocks: Houston Texans 2015

I find it interesting that what some, like myself, find distracting and vulgar, others call intense. I see it as undisciplined and lacking self control. Others see it as emotional investment. You can be intense WITHOUT the swearing! I like OB's Mom's point of view.
you probably shouldn't attend a practice session because they're blasting AC/DC's Hells Bells. Maybe you can put in request for them to play the soundtrack to Barney & Friends.
 
I couldn't watch HK realtime last night. Taped it. Turned it on this morning...............I accidentally taped the HBO Spanish station..........like watching an unsynced foreign movie.........and I made out only occasional words, like "Jay Jay Waaatt" and "Arion Foester"...........and they spoke with funny accents.......:)
 
I couldn't watch HK realtime last night. Taped it. Turned it on this morning...............I accidentally taped the HBO Spanish station..........like watching an unsynced foreign movie.........and I made out only occasional words, like "Jay Jay Waaatt" and "Arion Foester"...........and they spoke with funny accents.......:)
what about GM reek esmeet?
 
I couldn't watch HK realtime last night. Taped it. Turned it on this morning...............I accidentally taped the HBO Spanish station..........like watching an unsynced foreign movie.........and I made out only occasional words, like "Jay Jay Waaatt" and "Arion Foester"...........and they spoke with funny accents.......:)

This made my morning.
 
I enjoyed it much more than I expected to (I've never watched Hard Knocks. Not even once) and a couple of things caught me by surprise. The first is how much "JJ fatigue" is setting in with me. I love the guy but I'm almost starting to tire of seeing him everywhere. I did want to see a little more focus on some of the other players but I realize how unrealistic that is when the NFL's "man of the moment" is on this team. It's going to orbit around Watt and it's still good. If I'm tired of seeing so much JJ Watt then that's actually kind of a good problem to have. For decades it seems like even when Houston teams do get real-life, legitimate superstar athletes they tend to be quiet types who the media doesn't really seem to know what to do with.

The other thing I couldn't help but notice was how much watching Bob McNair makes me cringe. I'm not a McNair hater or a McNair superfan. I've taken exception to some of his decisions from time to time (or apparent lack of decisions) but watching him speak at that Redskins dinner I just found his comments/manner to be like fingernails on a chalk board which I've never really noticed before. I know, it's silly but he almost comes across to me like a guy who's just floating out in the middle of the NFL ocean in a life jacket with a bunch of bloody steaks tied to his belt and surrounded by NFL owner-sharks. It's trivial really and I don't know what I expected other than maybe after a decade plus owning an NFL team that he'd sound a little less like the new guy.

It might just be a byproduct of the show's narrative but I am very optimistic about this season even with Foster injured for the first half of it. I have been the whole way so far. I really think we've never had as good a coaching staff as we have right now and that we've got some players who are going to surprise a lot of people. QB's are among them. If it's Hoyer I expect him to be better here in this system than he was in Cleveland (which by its very nature sucks the good out of every single player who touches the field there - It keeps Jim Brown alive through a Voodoo curse he paid to have placed on the town). If it's Mallet then I think he's going to be a revelation to many. He's not going to be perfect, probably never will be but then none of them are. The great ones have great moments and their gaffs are so few by comparison that they're eventually forgotten. I think Mallet could be great and if he's not I still think Hoyer can be much better than we've seen.

We're going to surprise a lot of people this year*.





I just hope I'm not the one who ends up surprised when all this collapses into a sub .500 season. That's my inner Houston football fan talking. Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
 
So the very first scene on Hard Knocks Houston Texans is about the freakin Patriots? BOB is right, no damned respect. I half expected them to cut to commercial as the Texans were about to come on.

Seriously though, awesome peek behind the curtain, can't wait for the rest.
 
So the very first scene on Hard Knocks Houston Texans is about the freakin Patriots? BOB is right, no damned respect. I half expected them to cut to commercial as the Texans were about to come on.

Seriously though, awesome peek behind the curtain, can't wait for the rest.
But he's also right that the organization hasn't accomplished much. But yeah that show left me wanting more. I can't wait.
 
I find it interesting that what some, like myself, find distracting and vulgar, others call intense. I see it as undisciplined and lacking self control. Others see it as emotional investment. You can be intense WITHOUT the swearing! I like OB's Mom's point of view.
Why does swearing motivate people? Let your yes be your yes and your no be your no. The "colorful metaphors" (Star Trek IV) are silly.

Is it possible to motivate and focus without cursing? Sure.

Unless you plan on enacting a systematic change throughout sports, starting at the grade school level though, you're going to lose some connection with your players. That's not endorsing the language, but just understanding that's what your players and coaches are accustomed to over many years.

Someone mentioned the O&G industry (which I grew up in) as having some of the same qualities and I can attest that it's very similar to my player experiences though high school.

It has nothing to do with education level or language abilities
(our track coach was a Rice grad).
 
Vrabel's comment about us being the nicest damn team rings so true.

When I heard that, & a couple of things OB was saying... I got the feeling our coaches felt the fights we eventually got into were a good thing. Like many here, they see them as a display of our team's toughness.

I don't. But I'm not a Texans coach, so we'll see how it works out. To me, it's a false bravado & it'll show up when we fall for the okiedoke like we did this year, against Pittsburgh & Indy..... or when we play a real team like that Packers & Patriots & get our sht pushed in.
 
I considered the premier episode last night moderately entertaining, but certainly not outstanding. And I'm starting to get some serious JJ-fatigue. Sure I'm glad we've got him, he's a tremendous player, but I'm getting burnt out on JJ.Watt, that is JJ Watt the celebrity. And I understand that HBO is not doing this to provide a public service to Texans' fans, it's all about the ratings and clebs bring ratings and Watt is the teams celeb.
I'd like to see more coverage of Kevin Johnson and his family - especially his sister, wow is she ever hot ! And she got those looks from Mom. Was that their yacht, what does Kev's Dad do anyway ?
I liked O'Brien and I liked Wilfork. They need to cover him on a Bar-B-Q at his pad, that would be entertaining. Vince is a big man who's also got a big personalty and he very authentic. And we need more Rac & Vrabs.
Hey don't misunderstand, I love my Texans, but what I'm looking forward to is Saturday nights game so we can get a real look at the QBs & rookies & free agents playing some football, even if its only preseason. Right now that will serve as a pacifier until the RS begins.
 
When I heard that, & a couple of things OB was saying... I got the feeling our coaches felt the fights we eventually got into were a good thing. Like many here, they see them as a display of our team's toughness.

I don't. But I'm not a Texans coach, so we'll see how it works out. To me, it's a false bravado & it'll show up when we fall for the okiedoke like we did this year, against Pittsburgh & Indy..... or when we play a real team like that Packers & Patriots & get our sht pushed in.

I see what you're saying but it's only false up until the point where it finally takes. When we got smoked by Pittsburgh and Indy last year it can safely be said that that happened to an O'Brien team that was still very much a work in progress. That's games 6 and 7 of his first season. If that continues to happen then we've got the same problem with OB that we had with Gary (just with added fights and f-bombs) but by the time the second Indy game came around it took a cheap shot broken leg to Fitz to keep the Texans from winning in Indianapolis for the first time.

That didn't happen again in 2014 after the Steelers game. I don't think OB's going to tolerate it going forward. It still happens every now and then to the Patriots (Lets be fair, it happens every now and then to everyone) but as a yearly ritual I think it's over here. I bet it is OB's mission in life to beat the Colts in Indy. Based on his comments about our overall record I don't think there's anyway this isn't a priority to him. That stuff needs to come to a screeching halt and he seems like the kind of coach who knows and understands that.
 
I thought the McNair at the Governor's party was worthless.

I got a kick out of OBs facial expressions. Anyone else notice the weird faces he makes? I dunno why, but it made me laugh every time
 
I rewatched it and enjoyed it more the second time.

Favorite part was Nuk embarrassed Deangelo Hall. Hall is always running his mouth.

DeAndre Hopkins injured Hall without having to lay a hand on him. That's superhero isht. Faked him into a crumpled mess of groin pull on the turf, with Nuk saying he didn't start it, but he just finished it!

(Note the Texans recently outright dropped a player who talked a bunch of trash even though he didn't make the play... I think he was shown out on Hard Knocks Atlanta Falcons.)

Ben Jones was funny. We had a guy in high school who used to puke in his hand and splash it up in the OLs faces. Always good for a needed false start.

The Randy Macho Man Savage impersonation was great. That's Sean Hayes, assistant strength coach. Here's the video:


DL Christian Covington got some air time. He has been tough to stop during camp and got some rare praise from Watt: "Good hands, good feet; works hard; listens; pays attention; learns fast."

RAC impressed with a feisty dressing-down of the defense after some poor early play.

Also enjoyed Cushing busting Nuk's chops...

Cush: Why don't you return punts?
Nuk: 80 didn't.
Cush: Jerry Rice? You ain't 80, you're 10.​

Really got to see part of O'Brien's mindset when they told him Arian was out. Fvck..... Damn..... Well..... and in that amount of time he went through the 5 stages of grieving and moved on to what he needed to do next. Handled it well with the team... took it off the table quickly... eyes on the prize.
 
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I had to explain to my friend who's watched football his entire life that the swearing is part of the culture. My friends in the military say their environment is the exact same. They call it military mouth. It's just something about male majority environments where men aren't held back by manners or social graces. You swear profusely, you tell stories about puking and chicks, and you go full A-hole when your peers slack. And it all makes sense.

It's also evidence for why we have women around to keep us from talking and behaving like animals.
 
In that scene with Duane Brown at the radio station, you get to see him in street clothes. That is a large man, and not in the overfed, BBQ type of way, either.
 
lol, about the swearing, I don't like it, but going in I knew what is going to be about. I warned my wife that they were going to swear a lot.

I completely understood OB's opening speech. I think most of our fanbase sees our team with Battle Red glasses, but in reality, our team is no better than the Cleveland Browns as far as what outside people view it as.

If we didn't have JJ Watt and Foster, it would be worse.
 

I don't see anything wrong or immoral with talking that way, in the right situation. This is football for crying out loud. If he didn't throw F-bombs every once in awhile, he wouldn't be speaking my language.

I can't believe his language is actually a topic of discussion, but like my aunt told me when I was a kid, "There's always gonna be one in the crowd!"
 
Marcus, not everybody can handle it. I've seen people literally fold under pressure, even grown men crying, being talked to like that. Even NFL players like Dimitrius Underwood would often cry when coaches yelled the F-bombs at him. One coach even shouted something far worse to him, which I can't really type out here, and he just took his helmet off and broke out in tears.

I attended that Dallas Cowboys training camp in 2000 and I noticed a big and large man crying out there almost every other play. It was Underwood. Of course he had bipolar disorder and was a bit of a head case but still. We just assume these are gladiators out there with no real human emotion. I just feel coaches should be more respectful of their student athletes on a college and especially high school level. A good coach can get their point across without having to curse.

In fact it was that Cowboys training camp in 2000 that made me realize I didn't want to cover this game so intensely like I do. I gave up becoming a sportswriter and found a newer calling in teaching. As much as I loved sports, especially football and the NFL, it was hard for me to cover because I didn't like that aggressive nature and language environment. Which ironically you still find in the classroom all too often.

That is why I liked head coaches like Gary Kubiak and Mike Smith. They coached successfully at the NFL level without having to shout out vulgar remarks a lot. Probably a bad example on my part as both were fired in the past few years but they both had great records before. In 2012 most notably: Falcons went 13-3 and Texans went 12-4, at one point, both teams were tied with the best record in the league at 11-1 that season.

I think you can still coach very successfully in the NFL without having to shout out F-bombs numerous times. Tony Dungy was that way. Chuck Pagano is that way now with the Colts. I don't think you have to motivate millionaires all that much to play a game by cursing at them. You can inspire them and earn their respect in so many other ways. Most of the time winning and losing comes down to good X's and O's coaching, and being able to execute that game plan properly, not who yells the loudest.

Although I will say this. If you have good to great quarterback play you'll always be in a better spot to win NFL game. I think Bill O'Brien is the best head coach in the AFC South right now but it's Chuck Pagano that is the one winning the big games. It's because he has Andrew Luck. If you put Luck on the Texans then we'd become the favorites, or one of the favorites, to win the Super Bowl going into every season.

A lot of this isn't even about the way you coach but rather having a good quarterback. You don't even need an elite quarterback but he has to be a very good one. At least somewhere ranked in the top 15 out of 32 NFL teams. You need a signal caller that's respectable compared to what's out there around the league. The teams that are lucky enough to have an elite quarterback and a franchise icon are very blessed.
 
From what I saw on the TV, Kubiak never had a problem with using strong language. I've seen him say the F word plenty of times, along with BS, and a few MFs thrown in there. I'm not sure were people get this impression that Kubiak was averse to swearing.
 
That is why I liked head coaches like Gary Kubiak and Mike Smith. They coached successfully at the NFL level without having to shout out vulgar remarks a lot. Probably a bad example on my part as both were fired in the past few years but they both had great records before.

Don't know about Smith but bad example in Kubiak - when cameras weren't on him he cussed like a sailor.

And as TPN says on the sideline you could lip read him cussing a blue streak regularly.
 
Just heard on the radio... O'Brien is going to try to clean up his language for further shows.
 
Don't know about Smith but bad example in Kubiak - when cameras weren't on him he cussed like a sailor.
You're right. John McClain and David Nuno, who I have the privilege of knowing quite well, would often tell me that he went off inside the locker room but I didn't want to believe it. On camera Mr. Kubiak was the nicest guy you'll ever meet. Seeing is believing though. The few times Kubiak was mic'd up for ESPN or NFL Films, he made everything seem like a peaceful church gathering out there with his coaching. I probably should have just used Mike Smith and Chuck Pagano as my examples.
 
Nothing wrong with coaches cussing and losing their ****, it does motivate people.

If that is the only tool in their motivational shed however, the team will eventually get tired of it and lose respect for the coach and stop trying for him. More than a few brilliant coordinators that become head coaches suffer from this. College coaches going to the NFL can really fall into this trap.
 
With Watt's huge female following, I would've loved to see their reactions when he dropped an F-bomb or two after Crennel's speech last night. I'm sure there were a few gasps of shock, and even more underwear catching on fire lol.
 
From what I saw on the TV, Kubiak never had a problem with using strong language. I've seen him say the F word plenty of times, along with BS, and a few MFs thrown in there. I'm not sure were people get this impression that Kubiak was averse to swearing.
Even now as head coach of the Denver Broncos he seems to be doing everything he can to stay calm and patient. Maybe he still goes off with a locker room tirade but I'm sure his life has changed since coaching the Texans.

He looks much better health wise and now he has an elite quarterback like Peyton Manning. He'll be calling offensive plays for the Broncos while communicating with an analytics guru also on a head set, to help him break down the odds of success on every play. Something he never did here in Houston. Going to be interesting to see how that works and if it can become something more head coaches in the NFL do in the future.

But going back to the quarterback being important the chances for success is going to be better for Gary Kubiak than Bill O'Brien this season. Even though we can argue that O'Brien is a better head coach. I think O'Brien is a better head coach than Pagano but because of the quarterback situation Pagano, and even Kubiak, have a better chance to win a Super Bowl with their current teams.
 
Anyone getting this "JJ fatigue" needs to deal with it.

HBO could give two shits about anyone wearing a battle red or steel blue glasses. And if you're tired of it now, wait till all the commercials come out. You have a best player in the league superstar on a team that hasn't done ****. Just like OB said, nobody cares about this team. But they can't get enough of JJ Watt.
 
With Watt's huge female following, I would've loved to see their reactions when he dropped an F-bomb or two after Crennel's speech last night. I'm sure there were a few gasps of shock, and even more underwear catching on fire lol.

I was glad to hear it. Watt seems like a genuine nice guy, and all around great person. If he didn't drop the occasional f-bomb and appear human, I'd be afraid that he was burying dead hookers in the East Texas woods or something.
 
Anyone getting "Jj fatigue" "fatigue" needs to deal with it.

It's the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.
 
You're right. John McClain and David Nuno, who I have the privilege of knowing quite well, would often tell me that he went off inside the locker room but I didn't want to believe it. On camera Mr. Kubiak was the nicest guy you'll ever meet. Seeing is believing though. The few times Kubiak was mic'd up for ESPN or NFL Films, he made everything seem like a peaceful church gathering out there with his coaching. I probably should have just used Mike Smith and Chuck Pagano as my examples.

It's a very common misconception. On camera Kubiak has such an understated Eeyore personality that most people assume that's how he is all the time. The opposite would probably be more accurate. He got more criticism from players for being too intense, and the language would get quite colorful.
 
With Watt's huge female following, I would've loved to see their reactions when he dropped an F-bomb or two after Crennel's speech last night. I'm sure there were a few gasps of shock, and even more underwear catching on fire lol.
The opening sequence with Bill O'Brien leads me to believe he's very passionate about Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. He doesn't want to believe that we are still lacking a franchise quarterback. It angers O'Brien when people say we don't have a good quarterback. I'm hoping that O'Brien is right on both of those guys and one of them steps up and becomes a good starting NFL quarterback. And he isn't just blinded by the fact that he has experience coaching both of them before in the Patrots system.

It pains me to have to "kind of hope" for the Texans to fail miserably in 2015 just so that we can enter the 2016 NFL draft knowing very well that quarterback is still an important part of this team that we're not good at. And now running back is a big concern as well.

I just don't want to waste this 2015 season with guys like Watt and Wilfork. Players who should be the backbone of a Super Bowl contender and the #1 defense in the entire league. But I know deep inside we'll have to invest a first round pick and likely a second round pick on a quarterback and running back in the 2016 draft (high investments). Not hoping to catch gold in the later rounds.

We'll see what plays out in 2015. Quarterback and running back, oh boy. I'm concerned right now. I'll try to sugar coat things and remain positive once Week 1 rolls around but long term wise I truly believe we lack a franchise quarterback. Somebody who you can honestly rank in the top 15 out of 32 starting quarterbacks in this league.

A lot of my friends bash Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys. I'd be so excited if Tony Romo played for the Texans. He's likely in that top 10 conversation. I know he's old now but put him on the Texans our odds to win a Super Bowl would be much higher. Even somebody like Phillip Rivers would be ideal on our team. But at this point it's just a fantasy. Bill O'Brien loves "his guys" which are Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. He'll want to draft "his guy" too. Which is fine but we need to draft somebody with a higher upside than Tom Savage.

It almost seems like 2015 is a lost cause because of our quarterback and running back situation. Our tight ends did very little last year as well. Our only strength on offense is our wide receivers and that's saying a lot considering we lost Andre Johnson. Our left side of the offensive line is still as good as any in the NFL.

My heart is telling me this is a 5-11 Texans team in 2015. My mind is telling me we can go 10-6 and win a wild-card spot just because our defense is going to be special. Watt and Wilfork can only do so much though. Will Cushing and Clowney even be on the field all season? We have a lot of talent on defense even without our linebackers staying healthy. I think the Texans defense will be ranked in the top five in all the important categories. Points allowed, sacks, yards allowed, etc... etc...

It's easy to see why people outside of Houston (non-Texans fans) don't think too highly of the Houston Texans. If not for J.J. Watt we'd still be the laughing stock of the NFL from a national media perspective. We wouldn't even play any primetime games. All of our games would be at 12 noontime.
 
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The opening sequence with Bill O'Brien leads me to believe he's very passionate about Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. He doesn't want to believe that we are still lacking a franchise quarterback. It angers O'Brien when people say we don't have a good quarterback. I'm hoping that O'Brien is right on both of those guys and one of them steps up and becomes a good starting NFL quarterback. And he isn't just blinded by the fact that he has experience coaching both of them before in the Patrots system.

I hope he doesn't go so far as try to prove a point.
 
I hope he doesn't go so far as try to prove a point.
Agreed. I'll trust his judgment for now. He may have a successful 2015 season to follow up a very impressive 9-7 record as a rookie head coach. Like I said, I believe Bill O'Brien is the best head coach in the AFC South and one of the best around the entire league. At the end of the day he's an expert at what he does and I have to believe he can take these quarterbacks on the current roster and find a way to elevate their game.

I just believe if we had an elite quarterback, or just a very good quarterback (top 10 to 15 ranked around the league), Bill O'Brien's job would be much easier and we'd become a Super Bowl contender. He wouldn't have to sit there watching game film and feeling dismayed that Ryan Mallett just threw another interception with no pass rush. It was just a horrible decision when he had a lot of time to throw. He just threw it right into the cornerbacks hands.

Bob McNair is right. We don't need a superhero at the quarterback position. But we better have somebody who's more than respectable and closer to being good. We'll know a lot more about the Texans after this 2015 season comes to an end.

But you said it man. Let's hope he isn't blinded by being stubborn and trying to prove a point. If we have to enter the 2016 NFL draft knowing very well what our needs our then let's focus on that. I'm tired of entering each season with the same problems. Yeah, Matt Schaub had a few good seasons here (led the league in passing, Pro Bowl MVP, etc... etc...) to give us some false hope that we had finally found a franchise quarterback but it was short lived at best.

I want a good quarterback, doesn't have to be elite (but top 15) who can be here for seven, eight, nine, ten years, that I can learn to follow and admire. Sort of like the Warren Moon days to some degree. Even Steve McNair, who unfortunately, passed away too young but also he was taken away from the city of Houston as an Oiler. He'd have been perfect for this city his entire career. Would have led the Oilers to a Super Bowl. Not the evil Tennessee Titans.

But I want a franchise quarterback!!!!! They're out there we just fail to land them by making the wrong draft decisions or not pouncing on the opportunities when they become available in free agency. Which is rare (elite QBs rarely hit the free agent market) but Peyton Manning certainly did and he had interest in playing here for Gary Kubiak. Funny how the two hook up now a days but at the time Peyton wasn't a good fit for Kubiak's system. Rightttttttt... As Austin Powers, or scratch that, Dr. Evil would say.

What sucks is that the Houston Texans could very easily have won a Super Bowl or two by now. But we wonder why we are entering every season with a lot of false hope with no real chance to win a Super Bowl ring. The brutal truth hurts me but it must be said. This is the absolute truth.
 
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I have a serious man crush for Bill O'Brien! I love the guy and am feel incredibly fortunate that he is our coach. He is an elite head coach and I expect us to be perennial winners the next decade. The man is a great leader, commands respect, communicates very well, and motivates and inspires team unity and cooperation in a way I have seldom seen (anyone ever watch a Hard Knocks episode where the coaches never talked about competition between the players for a position?). Amazing.
 
Anyone getting this "JJ fatigue" needs to deal with it.

HBO could give two shits about anyone wearing a battle red or steel blue glasses. And if you're tired of it now, wait till all the commercials come out. You have a best player in the league superstar on a team that hasn't done ****. Just like OB said, nobody cares about this team. But they can't get enough of JJ Watt.

Do you see anyone in here not dealing with it?

Me either. Like I said it's a nice problem to have for a change.
 
It's a very common misconception. On camera Kubiak has such an understated Eeyore personality that most people assume that's how he is all the time. The opposite would probably be more accurate. He got more criticism from players for being too intense, and the language would get quite colorful.

In many industries, some of the best and brightest try to project a swan-like persona -- Calm on the surface, but their legs are paddling like crazy underwater. It's a style choice, but I regard it as a value of professionalism. That's how I saw Kubiak's demeanor.
 
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Bill O'Brien on cursing: "My brother texted me, he thought it was awesome. My mom texted me, she didn’t think it was too awesome.”

Andre Johnson called DeAndre Hopkins after the brawl in Richmond. He got a kick out of it. #Texans​
 
With Watt's huge female following, I would've loved to see their reactions when he dropped an F-bomb or two after Crennel's speech last night. I'm sure there were a few gasps of shock, and even more underwear catching on fire lol.

Yeah, we all know that females never drop F-bombs. :rolleyes:
 
They can't drop F-bombs. If they do they lose their power to never break wind. Everybody knows that.

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Is it possible to motivate and focus without cursing? Sure.

Unless you plan on enacting a systematic change throughout sports, starting at the grade school level though, you're going to lose some connection with your players. That's not endorsing the language, but just understanding that's what your players and coaches are accustomed to over many years.

Someone mentioned the O&G industry (which I grew up in) as having some of the same qualities and I can attest that it's very similar to my player experiences though high school.

It has nothing to do with education level or language abilities
(our track coach was a Rice grad).
I'm not unfamiliar with the culture. It just seems silly to me and totally unnecessary. I've been around sports for 50 years and have a son in the Army and Daughter in law who's former military. Yes, I've heard it. I just find it a ridiculous waste of breath which adds NOTHING but an element of questionable self control.
 
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