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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

I think the only reason he would come here for the same amount of money is because of Dre.

What?? Are they dating or something?? Why the hell would Reed give a damn about playing with Dre? When has it ever been acknowledged that these guys are best friends or blood brothers? Andre is one of like 8 other high level WR's, and Dre is on his last legs. Sorry, but players around the league could care less about being on some team just because Andre Johnson is there. The reality is that Andre Johnson is a guy who has only played in 4 post season games in like 10 years. He isn't exactly some post season legend or anything. And why would some safety skip over to some other team just because a guy on the other side of the ball is there??? WHy would that tempt him? Is that somehow going to up Reed's game at this stage of his career?

Sorry, but I don't follow this logic at all unless you know something about them being some sort of item or something.
 
What?? Are they dating or something?? Why the hell would Reed give a damn about playing with Dre? When has it ever been acknowledged that these guys are best friends or blood brothers? Andre is one of like 8 other high level WR's, and Dre is on his last legs. Sorry, but players around the league could care less about being on some team just because Andre Johnson is there. The reality is that Andre Johnson is a guy who has only played in 4 post season games in like 10 years. He isn't exactly some post season legend or anything. And why would some safety skip over to some other team just because a guy on the other side of the ball is there??? WHy would that tempt him? Is that somehow going to up Reed's game at this stage of his career?

Sorry, but I don't follow this logic at all unless you know something about them being some sort of item or something.

Ummmmmm they have both stated they are very good friends and have been since there college days. Hence the reason them two and Chris Myers went to dinner his first night in town.

And they all played at the U together
 
Ummmmmm they have both stated they are very good friends and have been since there college days. Hence the reason them two and Chris Myers went to dinner his first night in town.

And they all played at the U together

So why didn't Reed and every other Cane come here over the last 10 years then? Sorry, but I haven't seen Canes lining up to sign here just because AJ plays here. If you were talking about some QB that was on the move like Peydon was last season that would make some sense since every QB needs a high level WR to be successful typically or at least that's the idea. That would matter some. But an aging Safety??? Sorry, but safeties don't move to other teams just because some WR is there.

And I'm pretty sure the 49ers have a few Canes on there team as well. Frank Gore played on that same team that AJ did or was a year or two after that. And I highly doubt that Reed's interests at going to the 49ers have anything to do with some RB that played for the U.
 
I've stated the same thing earlier on.

If we're at around 5 and he's at around 6 or even upwards of possibly 7...then I think it's reasonable, given his age and situation, to tell him we'll go 6 and he can earn an extra $500k per year IF we make the playoffs and IF he's played percentage of games and IF he's playing in the playoffs. The moment he finishes game 1 of the playoffs, he gets an extra $500k. Same thing in 2014.

I think that's fair. Welker got around 6, we're offering same deal with a potential for an extra $500k each season if things go the way it should. Ed knows we're capable of making the playoffs.

He wants to work out in Florida? Fine. Big damn deal. He's been doing it forever now. Makes him happy, then so be it.

Skip OTAs and take it easy in camp? Absolutely, Ed. Rest and read the playbook with your teammates during meetings.

This could still happen. I think AJ is trying all he can to get it done, so there's some good possibility that the front office might have had this as an ace up their sleeve if Team Reed rejected our lowest offer. What do you think?

I think that Rick probably offered 5.5-6 and Reed wanted 6-6.5 mil. Andre offered to restructure to make up the difference. Which Rick should've already asked AJ to do before Reed visited. If the retructure had been done beforehand Reed would probably be a Texan now. It will be Monday or Tuesday before AJ's restructure and Reeds signing paperwork are done. This is called not having your ducks in a row.

Unfortunately this gives teams like the 49ers or Pats 3-4 days to swoop in and sign Reed.
 
So why didn't Reed and every other Cane come here over the last 10 years then? Sorry, but I haven't seen Canes lining up to sign here just because AJ plays here. If you were talking about some QB that was on the move like Peydon was last season that would make some sense since every QB needs a high level WR to be successful typically or at least that's the idea. That would matter some. But an aging Safety??? Sorry, but safeties don't move to other teams just because some WR is there.

And I'm pretty sure the 49ers have a few Canes on there team as well. Frank Gore played on that same team that AJ did or was a year or two after that. And I highly doubt that Reed's interests at going to the 49ers have anything to do with some RB that played for the U.

Dude your taking everything out of context. AJ was the one recruiting Reed pretty hard, i dont know how close they are as friends all i am doing is stating that AJ and reed went to the same college, they both claim they are close friends.

I'm sure reed has closer friends than others and i doubt all players that played at the U with him are all equal friends. I dont know either one of them perosnally just stating what the two of them have said. If you feel they are lying then you are arguing with the wrong person you need to talk to reed and AJ about that.
 
Yeah, but the problem for the Ravens is they'll have $25,850,000 in unamortized bonus/guaranteed money left on that contract after year three. That means that essentially they've given Flacco all of the leverage in negotiations (ie: cutting him means you take a $25.85 million cap hit instead of a $28.55 million in year 4).

You're not talking about the typical restructure, you're talking about an extension. If Joe decides to play hardball, he's got the Ravens by the short-hairs.

I am not a capologist but Islept in a Holiday Inn last night...LOL

Serious question: how does Joe have all the leverage now?
 
I'll stop at this. You know nothing about it. Just like I don't, nor anyone on this board (unless someone from the Texans is reading and posting).

This is my opinion after much reading and talking with multiple medical professionals on this subject. Including one of the top orhtopedic surgeons in the country. (Thanks Dr G/CND etc...)

Carry on
 
And I'm pretty sure the 49ers have a few Canes on there team as well. Frank Gore played on that same team that AJ did or was a year or two after that. And I highly doubt that Reed's interests at going to the 49ers have anything to do with some RB that played for the U.

Reed specifically mentioned wanting to play with three former Canes - AJ, Gore or Wayne. The Colts and Niners have both already signed safeties. By reports he is closest to AJ of the three anyway and has flown down here are several occasions to see AJ. I sincerely doubt Reed shares your assessment that AJ is on his last legs either. In fact, I would bet all the DB's AJ torched for 1598 yds last season would think people claiming AJ is done are in lala land.
 
Reed specifically mentioned wanting to play with three former Canes - AJ, Gore or Wayne. The Colts and Niners have both already signed safeties. By reports he is closest to AJ of the three anyway and has flown down here are several occasions to see AJ. I sincerely doubt Reed shares your assessment that AJ is on his last legs either. In fact, I would bet all the DB's AJ torched for 1598 yds last season would think people claiming AJ is done are in lala land.

If Reed is on his last legs as much as AJ is, then Reed deserves 7 mil atleast.

Sign Reed Rick.
 
Reed specifically mentioned wanting to play with three former Canes - AJ, Gore or Wayne. The Colts and Niners have both already signed safeties. By reports he is closest to AJ of the three anyway and has flown down here are several occasions to see AJ. I sincerely doubt Reed shares your assessment that AJ is on his last legs either. In fact, I would bet all the DB's AJ torched for 1598 yds last season would think people claiming AJ is done are in lala land.

Dude, he isn't about to come here just because AJ is here. Sorry, but I'm not buying that. Sure they may be really good friends and I've heard them say that and all that jizz. I've heard several other players from Miami say the same thing about how great it would be to come play with AJ many times. Yet, none of these guys go out of their way to come here. It's all smoke and mirrors. Sure, I had a buddy that came and interviewed at my company about a year ago. He said he really didn't want to work there, but he'd love to work at the same company as me. He got offered the job, but still didn't take it, because he had other options that were a little better and the money wasn't better. As much as we both wanted to work together, he wasn't about to take a position here when it wasn't an upgrade or a better situation for him.

At the end of the day football players move to other teams for two things.

A. More money and a bigger pay day.
B. One last good shot at a ring.

Now option A probably isn't going to fit because I don't think the Texans are going to pay him significantly more then what he will be offered by other teams. Even if they wanted to, I don't think they can.

And for option B, I don't think that Reed will view the Texans as some big time contender for next season due to Schaub being the QB here. It's a good team to go to and all, but with other teams like the Niners being involved and going after him, I don't see why he would rather come here. Andre Johnson may be his buddy, but players don't go to other teams just because they have some college buddy over there when they have better opportunities.

If this AJ friendship was such a factor, he would have already signed and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
 
Dude, he isn't about to come here just because AJ is here. Sorry, but I'm not buying that. Sure they may be really good friends and I've heard them say that and all that jizz. I've heard several other players from Miami say the same thing about how great it would be to come play with AJ many times. Yet, none of these guys go out of their way to come here. It's all smoke and mirrors. Sure, I had a buddy that came and interviewed at my company about a year ago. He said he really didn't want to work there, but he'd love to work at the same company as me. He got offered the job, but still didn't take it, because he had other options that were a little better and the money wasn't better. As much as we both wanted to work together, he wasn't about to take a position here when it wasn't an upgrade or a better situation for him.

At the end of the day football players move to other teams for two things.

A. More money and a bigger pay day.
B. One last good shot at a ring.

Now option A probably isn't going to fit because I don't think the Texans are going to pay him significantly more then what he will be offered by other teams. Even if they wanted to, I don't think they can.

And for option B, I don't think that Reed will view the Texans as some big time contender for next season due to Schaub being the QB here. It's a good team to go to and all, but with other teams like the Niners being involved and going after him, I don't see why he would rather come here. Andre Johnson may be his buddy, but players don't go to other teams just because they have some college buddy over there when they have better opportunities.

If this AJ friendship was such a factor, he would have already signed and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Niners dropped out and Colts are less contenders than we are. Id even put Baltimore behind us with all their departures. Were HIS best option.
 
If only you knew what I do you'd jump for joy right now. I'll just say that I hope you like Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard and Eric Winston. There's going to be a trifecta signing going down tomorrow. I think the Texans are positioning themselves nicely well before the draft. Enjoy the evening guys. Let's call it a Friday of champions here in Houston!

How dumb do you feel? Insert foot in mouth LMAO, that will teach you to "predict" things.
 
I'm amazed at people's thinking.

Why the crap would you offer Ed Reed a larger amount right out of the gate and immediately restructure AJ's deal when Ed was just visiting??? WHY?!?!?!

This is so freaking simple, if you'll let it be simple! LOL.

What if by a stroke of luck Ed waltzes in and his advisors are good with $5.5? Shazaam! AJ doesn't have to re-structure for Ed's deal...which means he can re-structure for another FA if we need him to.

Why does everyone assume AJ and the FO were supposed to have all this done in advance of Reed's visit? It's like people are inventing ways to blame everyone for not satisfying their whims.

How about some old-fashioned patience and measured negotiations.

Do you think Ed Reed would've wanted AJ, his friend, to do all that ahead of time anyways? That'd be awkward.

Want to have a contingency plan in place ahead of time? Great. But even then, do you want AJ feeling tempted to send a quick text to Ed saying how he's got the green light to ask for $6 or $7 since AJ would know the Texans plans to tackle a re-structure if Ed leaves without a Texans' $5.5 initial deal?

The idea to have everything with AJ worked out ahead of time or even discussed with AJ ahead of time is flawed from a realistic standpoint.

You make your lowest offer you can, you receive a counter-offer, THEN you work out behind the scenes if you want to re-work ANYTHING to get it signed.

This is why many people should never attempt to run business operations in real life. You'd get fleeced.
 
Niners dropped out and Colts are less contenders than we are. Id even put Baltimore behind us with all their departures. Were HIS best option.

I think you are underestimating the Colts a bit. They have added some decent pieces after winning 11 games, which was only 1 behind the Texans. That being said, based on the moves thus far the Colts could easily make a run at the division this season if the Texans don't improve at some of the positions where players were lost this offseason. Assuming the Colts are not contenders & the Texans are seems a bit shortsighted based on the current state of each team imo.
 
I think you are underestimating the Colts a bit. They have added some decent pieces after winning 11 games, which was only 1 behind the Texans. That being said, based on the moves thus far the Colts could easily make a run at the division this season if the Texans don't improve at some of the positions where players were lost this offseason. Assuming the Colts are not contenders & the Texans are seems a bit shortsighted based on the current state of each team imo.

Nope, Colts were lucky and rode an emotional high, they were severely outscored by opponents last season. It was a fluke. They will be at BEST 8-8 next season.
 
I'm amazed at people's thinking.

Why the crap would you offer Ed Reed a larger amount right out of the gate and immediately restructure AJ's deal when Ed was just visiting??? WHY?!?!?!

This is so freaking simple, if you'll let it be simple! LOL.

What if by a stroke of luck Ed waltzes in and his advisors are good with $5.5? Shazaam! AJ doesn't have to re-structure for Ed's deal...which means he can re-structure for another FA if we need him to.

Why does everyone assume AJ and the FO were supposed to have all this done in advance of Reed's visit? It's like people are inventing ways to blame everyone for not satisfying their whims.

How about some old-fashioned patience and measured negotiations.

Do you think Ed Reed would've wanted AJ, his friend, to do all that ahead of time anyways? That'd be awkward.

Want to have a contingency plan in place ahead of time? Great. But even then, do you want AJ feeling tempted to send a quick text to Ed saying how he's got the green light to ask for $6 or $7 since AJ would know the Texans plans to tackle a re-structure if Ed leaves without a Texans' $5.5 initial deal?

The idea to have everything with AJ worked out ahead of time or even discussed with AJ ahead of time is flawed from a realistic standpoint.

You make your lowest offer you can, you receive a counter-offer, THEN you work out behind the scenes if you want to re-work ANYTHING to get it signed.

This is why many people should never attempt to run business operations in real life. You'd get fleeced.

I run a business operation and I would figure out what I think Reed would be worth and I would tell his agent that's my offer take it or leave it. But I wouldn't play the low balling shell game/offer/counter offer you speak of. This is just the way I operate. If Reed doesn't agree to my price I walk away. But the price would be at or above market for a HOF like Reed.
 
At the end of the day football players move to other teams for two things.

People, including football players, particularly those who are multi-millionaires who have already achieved the pinnacle of their sport do things for all sorts of reasons.

And for option B, I don't think that Reed will view the Texans as some big time contender for next season due to Schaub being the QB here.

I doubt AJ and Reed share your assessment of Schaub. AJ has had several opportunities to bail and hasn't. Reed has watched Schaub bring the Texans back from down 21 pts to tie the Ravens and watched the Texans shellack the Ravens in their SB year with Schaub at the helm. I seriously doubt he holds the opinion Schaub can't get the job done.

I run a business operation and I would figure out what I think Reed would be worth and I would tell his agent that's my offer take it or leave it. But I wouldn't play the low balling shell game/offer/counter offer you speak of. This is just the way I operate. If Reed doesn't agree to my price I walk away. But the price would be at or above market for a HOF like Reed.

Low balling no, but take it or leave it rarely works as an initial bid either. It's one thing when you are hiring a secretary and another when you are talking about matters like this. The Texans had talked numbers with Reed before he flew down here so he was comfortable with the ballpark being discussed and so were they.
 
Nope, Colts were lucky and rode an emotional high, they were severely outscored by opponents last season. It was a fluke. They will be at BEST 8-8 next season.

That's interesting that you call them flukes & that's what many referred to the Texans as towards the end of the season & into the playoffs. In fact, the word "frauds" was used quite often by different sources to describe the Texans. I can't say the team looks better so far this offseason.

I think the colts will be tougher after this offseason even if some considered the last a fluke.
 
The back end ofthe contract should be ignored- it will be re-structured after year 3 so it doesn't really count. Here are the total numbers forthe three years that count-

Year Salary Bonus Options Cap hit
2013 $1mill $5mill $0 $6.8mill

2014 $6mill $5.8mill $3mill $14.8mill

2015 $4mill $5.8mill $4.75mill $14.55mill

I understand that. But the last three years are used to calculate his cap hit. Unless you're dividing $29M by 3 & not 6.

But they are taking his cap numbers adding them to the whole bonus & saying he will earn that $51M in two years, $62M in three years.

They're counting part of his bonus twice. They need to separate the prorated amount from his cap number to get his "salary" then add that to the $29M & they can say he will have been compensated, whatever.

If the $51M (in the first two years) & the $62M (in the first three years)
numbers are right, then those cap numbers can't be right.
 
That's interesting that you call them flukes & that's what many referred to the Texans as towards the end of the season & into the playoffs. In fact, the word "frauds" was used quite often by different sources to describe the Texans. I can't say the team looks better so far this offseason.

I think the colts will be tougher after this offseason even if some considered the last a fluke.

Erik Walden? Greg Toler? Gosder Cherilus? We're supposed to be shaking in our boots? Seriously? LaRon Landry is the only decent FA they signed and he isn't even that great in pass coverage. He is also injury prone.

Scored 357 points (22.3/g), 18th of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 387 points (24.2/g), 21st.
Differential of -30 points (-1.9/g), 21st.
Expected W-L: 7.2-8.8.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012.htm

Luck also had a 76 qb rating last year. Wilson and RG3 were a good deal better than him as rookies. Do I think he will improve? Yes, without a doubt. But he is not a world beater yet.

Furthermore, Texans were not much of a fluke last year.

Scored 416 points (26.0/g), 8th of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 331 points (20.7/g), 9th.
Differential of 85 points (5.3/g), 8th.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2012.htm
 
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Ed Reed to me at least, seems to like the drama a bit. Last year for instance the guy retired and unretired didnt he? or at least he was making the insinuation that he was. Fast forward and I cant be too surprised at the outcome thus far. Im wondereing how much 'recruitment' ability Reed has and if he would be trying to get any other guys interested in coming here for one last hurrah. If Reggie Wayne was available I think it would be interesting.

I think he will sign, when enough suspense has been built up, plus didnt he tweet (jokingly im sure) that he would make the decision 'ala Lebron'?
 
I am not a capologist but Islept in a Holiday Inn last night...LOL

Serious question: how does Joe have all the leverage now?

Because at the end of three years, Baltimore will very much want to avoid the $28+ Million cap hit that comes in year four (and they can't afford to cut him). Joe is free to either ask for ridiculous money for extending, or very happily continue on with the contract and the $18 Million he's scheduled to collect in 2016.

And if I'm wrong, and the Ravens do decide they can afford the $25+ million in dead money that results from cutting him, then I'm guessing Joe will be okay taking the $62 Million he's gotten over the past three seasons and seeing what the market is for a quarterback who's still pretty comfortably in his prime.
 
The determining factor for Ed Reed to play here are as follows:
How he view the city of Houston.
How the city view him?
Is it livable for him and his family?
How will the fans embrace him?
What does the local media thinks?
Is his presence marketable in this town?

Too many factors other than a little more money, playing with Dre, and another SB run.

And the reason he left town w/o signing is pure curiosity. The man simply wants to know how much desirability he has left from other teams and cities. How long will the red carpet rolled out from his feet? How long can he smoke that victory cigar before he coughs? This is his extended post Super Bowl celebration. Let the man enjoy his moments.

Vanity. Definitely my favorite sins.
 
I run a business operation and I would figure out what I think Reed would be worth and I would tell his agent that's my offer take it or leave it. But I wouldn't play the low balling shell game/offer/counter offer you speak of. This is just the way I operate. If Reed doesn't agree to my price I walk away. But the price would be at or above market for a HOF like Reed.

Texans have fixed income, steelbtexan. It's called a CAP. It's fixed. Go over it, you pay a penalty (ask Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder).

To work within the cap, the front office must account for a crazy amount of things that may or may not happen.

It's not Low-balling, as you say, to offer what you WANT to pay a player. You're making an evaluation and your offer reflects several things: (1a) What you'd like to pay, (1b) what you'll pay because you are flush with tons of cash to spend and have to get rid of it due to new CBA rules, (2) what you cannot pay no matter what, (3) what you cannot pay unless you reorganize other expenses (re-structuring contracts) (4) what the player is worth on the market given many variables, and (5) incentives you think you can offer that other potential teams cannot offer to that same player. That's just 5, but I bet there's 200 more I'm not thinking of.

On the flip side, the player has his own evaluation of the process. (1) What am I worth?, (2) What could I get anywhere else in the NFL?, (3) Would this potential employer I'm meeting with be a good place to put my efforts into?, and about 200 other things that are probably more important than that.

So look, these two sides had to come together. It's not like they meet once he gets off the plane, shake hands at Reliant, and walk into a room and sign a contract. That's what our fantasy situation would be: Dude arrives, dude is excited, dude signs...press conference at 3 p.m. that day! That's what's going on with a lot of people's interpretation of the events. People have a problem in today's culture with WAITING. What are we, a Microwave Minute Society? This is what we've become in America: "Hey, I got a meal ready in under a minute here with my own microwave....why would it take 15 minutes for my pizza to arrive? That's horrible. I want my money back. You could have had it here in 12 minutes, easily." Bitching over 3 minutes. Complaining that things take too long. Demanding instant gratification.

Look, all in all you've got to realize that this isn't like signing a 3rd string OT named Andrew Gardner. The top of the crop takes longer to harvest, especially when you're up against the cap. Teams way under the cap? They can overpay and get a deal signed faster. This goes back to item 1b in my first list above.

Acting like we should have been prepared to pay Ed's supposed asking price, before he even arrived in Houston!, and that AJ should have had everything lined up with the front office before Ed's visit, I don't get it. Does anybody else think that way? Speak up. How can you, as a team in the NFL, go ahead and say "We'll pay you pay top dollar...just come down and put your name on this contract!"...I mean, why wouldn't you have the obligatory face-to-face meeting, get to know one another like they DID, by the way, and THEN discuss terms like everyone else does??? It's a negotiation, for pete's sake. It's a discussion, a meeting, and then things continue onward or they don't.

So now there's wind of AJ maybe reaching out and saying he'll do what it takes to get Ed Reed here. Had that all happened prior to the Ed Reed visit, Ed walks in and it's 100% guarantee that Ed gets every dime he wants. Hell, he might ask for MORE on top of what he was originally going to ask since he knows the original amount he had in mind is already there waiting for him via AJ's re-structure.

This is a business. Some teams dick around and treat it like Madden video game (i.e. Jerry and Daniel of the Cowboys and Redskins) flinging cash and throwing caution to the wind, contract structures and ramifications be damned! And some teams, like ours, are working within the cap and taking this thing slowly and methodically. At the end of the day, I just think people are too damn impatient about it all. It ought to happen and if it didn't happen then somebody in the FO is a boob. That's bad analysis.
 
That's interesting that you call them flukes & that's what many referred to the Texans as towards the end of the season & into the playoffs. In fact, the word "frauds" was used quite often by different sources to describe the Texans. I can't say the team looks better so far this offseason.

I think the colts will be tougher after this offseason even if some considered the last a fluke.

Besides the Bengals, we definitely looked like a team that didn't belong in the playoffs settling for FGs and not scoring during an entire quarter.

This literally needs to be the best draft in our team's history with the way our off season is going. It wouldn't be a bold prediction at all to say the Colts could win the division.
 
Besides the Bengals, we definitely looked like a team that didn't belong in the playoffs settling for FGs and not scoring during an entire quarter.

This literally needs to be the best draft in our team's history with the way our off season is going. It wouldn't be a bold prediction at all to say the Colts could win the division.

the colts already have a huge advantage in winning the division due to the fact that they have the best quarterback in the division.

factor in all these player turnovers, the colts have a strong chance at winning the division.

In fact, i favor them to win based on how our offseason has gone.
 
Besides the Bengals, we definitely looked like a team that didn't belong in the playoffs settling for FGs and not scoring during an entire quarter.

This literally needs to be the best draft in our team's history with the way our off season is going. It wouldn't be a bold prediction at all to say the Colts could win the division.

Oh it would be bold.... The colts were out scored last season, had an in godly amount of turnovers and then a lot of luck on their side. They still need a few more seasons, plus lets not crown luck after just 1 season !
 
Oh it would be bold.... The colts were out scored last season, had an in godly amount of turnovers and then a lot of luck on their side. They still need a few more seasons, plus lets not crown luck after just 1 season !

this is nfl parity era where one year turnarounds are the norm.

If rookie Luck got the colts to the playoffs, they are a lot closer to taking the division than you think.
 
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Haha yeah that 1 season makes them a dynasty LMAO

I'll have whatever it is that makes you so optimistic about the Texans. Schaub's foot might not be able to handle a full season again. Posey is a huge question mark now. So is the OL even if Newton didn't have knee surgery. Can AJ play another season healthy? What about Cushing returning to form? Obviously some rookies in this coming up draft may have to start.

What do the Colts have to worry about? Bruce Arians was replaced by Luck's Stanford OC so that has a good chance of working out for them.
 
He is in New Orleans. So far, speculation ranges from meeting with the Saints to a family commitment.

Likely family commitment or one of his foundations. He was born and raised in NOLA area. Strong pursuit in obtaining Reed are Texans and Ravens I think and maybe NE as a dark horse. But who knows, anything can happen.
 
Nope, Colts were lucky and rode an emotional high, they were severely outscored by opponents last season. It was a fluke. They will be at BEST 8-8 next season.

Their team doesn't have to be great if their QB can be great. Luck might great next season. THis year he was really good as a rookie. From the IQ of his on the field knowledge to his plays he makes regularly, I won't be surprised at all if he's one of the best QB's in the league by next year. It will really just depend on how well he does end up being next season compared to last.
 
I think Ravens sign Dumerville, essentially pushing Ed Reed to sign with Houston (Pats have Adrian Wilson now, so I don't see them pursuing Ed Reed).

We need secondary help. We need LB help, too. Tough call but I think Reed is less expensive than Dumerville is.

This will be a money decision, taking care of Quin's vacated spot and going LB-heavy in the draft. I'd even consider packaging picks to move up of there's a Wade Phillips-type LB we think is superstar material. Go big or go home.
 
I think Ravens sign Dumerville, essentially pushing Ed Reed to sign with Houston (Pats have Adrian Wilson now, so I don't see them pursuing Ed Reed).

We need secondary help. We need LB help, too. Tough call but I think Reed is less expensive than Dumerville is.

This will be a money decision, taking care of Quin's vacated spot and going LB-heavy in the draft. I'd even consider packaging picks to move up of there's a Wade Phillips-type LB we think is superstar material. Go big or go home.

I concur. The decision just got easier for him.

This offseason is even more fun than 2011.
 
The longer this goes on the more probability Reed remains a dirty bird.

Baltimore Ravens determined to hold on to Ed Reed
by Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports

PHOENIX -- Don't expect Ed Reed to leave the Baltimore Ravens without Ozzie Newsome waging a determined bid to keep the all-pro safety.

The Ravens general manager told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday night that he anticipates Reed's status will be finalized in the coming week, and that he expects to meet with agent David Dunn this week while in town for NFL owners meetings.

Reed, 34, an unrestricted free agent, completed a two-day visit with the Houston Texans on Friday without striking a deal that could add to the list of impact players to defect from the Super Bowl champions.

The scenario reminds Newsome of the case in 2009 with Ray Lewis, who was also represented by Dunn as he explored the market as a free agent before ultimately returning.

"Four years ago, we went down this same road with Ray," Newsome said. "Dave always does a very good job of keeping us in the loop. That doesn't mean that Ed will come back, and it doesn't mean that he will leave."


It could hinge on whether Newsome puts together an offer strong enough to convince Reed to stay put. Reed, preparing for a 12th NFL season, earned $7.2 million in 2012.

Newsome would not discuss specifics of his proposed deal, and Dunn could not be reached for comment.

Keeping Reed, though, would obviously represent a much-needed offseason victory for the Ravens and Newsome, who after signing Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco to the richest contract in NFL history (6 years, $120.6 million), were rocked by a series of departures as the new league year began last week.
 
Can the FO just end all this BS and go after Woodson already?? Let Reed go crawling back to the dirty birds already, tired of this BS.
 
Can the FO just end all this BS and go after Woodson already?? Let Reed go crawling back to the dirty birds already, tired of this BS.

Woodson MAY be a decent temporary replacement for Quin in that before his collarbone fracture at St. Louis last year (missed 9 games), he was playing strong safety in the Packers' base defense, then playing the nickel and dime slot positions in sub packages. But his coverage skills are questionable at this point.
 
Looks like Troy Nolan may end up being our starting FS. Woo Hoo. Nice job Rick Smith.
 
snip some of a great post...

This is a business. Some teams dick around and treat it like Madden video game (i.e. Jerry and Daniel of the Cowboys and Redskins) flinging cash and throwing caution to the wind, contract structures and ramifications be damned! And some teams, like ours, are working within the cap and taking this thing slowly and methodically. At the end of the day, I just think people are too damn impatient about it all. It ought to happen and if it didn't happen then somebody in the FO is a boob. That's bad analysis.

GP, great points and analogy. I, for one, had not looked at the situation like this and it makes "real world" sense to me.
 
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