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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

Lucky said:
Dude, I've got over 11,000 posts to point out my silliness. And there's plenty more where that came from. Wait until I say something that really upsets you before getting your panties in a bunch.
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Funniest post I've seen in a looong time!
 
GP said:
If rumors are true that we wanted $5 mill-per and Ed wanted closer to an average of around $6 or $7 mill-per....then, yeah it's over.

For us, that $1 or $2 mill is vital for other needs. And frankly this possibly Ed trying for a big deal with the Texans, cashing in a favor of Andre Johnson to take a run at joining our team at the same time. Two birds with one stone. After this, our front office should tell AJ to stop the twitter invitations to his pals out there (psssst! It doesn't work out well for us, Andre.).
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Well, let's think about this. It's not my money, so I really don't care. Aj is saying he is willing to restructure, so more or less, it's his money. If he is saying he will restructure his contract so they can bring Ed Reed in...... Let's say Andre restructures to clear another $10M over 2 years... that's Reed, plus $3M/yr for the next two.

I'm not saying I want to pay him $7M. I really don't care how much they pay. But like Quin & Barwin, sometimes it just has to "sound" like $7M/yr. Throw Flacco in there too.

We could sign him to a 3yr $21M contract ($7M/yr) But guarantee him $8M over the next two years plus incentives.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well, let's think about this. It's not my money, so I really don't care. Aj is saying he is willing to restructure, so more or less, it's his money. If he is saying he will restructure his contract so they can bring Ed Reed in...... Let's say Andre restructures to clear another $10M over 2 years... that's Reed, plus $3M/yr for the next two.
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Well, restructuring really isn't the same thing as taking a pay cut. Any player is willing to restructure because it's putting more money in his pocket now, and potentially guaranteeing future unguaranteed salary. So, AJ really isn't sacrificing anything by restructuring.

If the Texans FO thinks that ER is the kind of piece that puts them over the top and helps them be a real contender, then they'll restructure someone and will pay him his 7MM. If not, then they won't. It might be an indication of what they really think the position that this team is in.
 
NitroGSXR said:
This is me in real life... sporting the Ninja facepaint and ready to pull out my sword.

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:thinking: I know a few people in the background, but up with that crazy sumbitch in the fore?? ;)
 
bhsman said:
And if Reed agrees? Don't give us an excuse to point out how silly you are before anything is settled.

If Reed signs, he signs. If he doesn't, we'll find somebody else. The defeatism and misplaced anger here on this forum over this is hilarious.
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Chill, this is the off season, it can get really weird here at times.
 
TexansFight said:
Ed Reed leaving Reliant Stadium without a signed contract just shows that the Texans ARE NOT committed to bringing a Super Bowl trophy to Houston. Boo to Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak. We are in cap trouble, have more holes than we had at the end of the season and Schaub is going to be here for the next couple of years.
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The Texans signing a 35 year old safety to a 7 million a year contract would indicate the FO is brain dead. You did read that Ed Reed wanted a bigger contract, right? Boo to you for being such a reactionary, low-information fan.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I said it like 29 pages ago, we got Leigh Bodden'd.... but too a much worse degree.
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I dunno TB ..... He could still end up signing here for that ~5m if the market dries up. And the way teams are spending , his idea of being patient is working against him.

But damn , I dunno what the hell Rick Smith is thinking here .... He could have had Quin for less money and at this point in their respective careers , Quin is probably the better player.
 
Not news:

There's a bit of drama that circles Ed Reed. Not unusual for him to take his time, stretch things out. He was eternally unhappy with his being
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disrespected by the Ravens organization all last offseason. Lot's of "Will he or won't he?" media. Yada, yada, yada.

However it works out will be fine.
 
Jonathan Joseph CB1 $7.5 m
Matt Schaub QB $ 7.25 m
Arian Foster RB 1 $5.25 m

Reed needs to get no more than Foster.
 
eriadoc said:
He made the Packers HOF. Kind of like their ring of honor. He'll never sniff the main HOF.
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No problem. I honestly had never heard of the guy. Then I seldom listen to 790 nor am I a big Packer fan. So he's no one that I was familiar with.
 
Corrosion said:
I dunno TB ..... He could still end up signing here for that ~5m if the market dries up. And the way teams are spending , his idea of being patient is working against him.

But damn , I dunno what the hell Rick Smith is thinking here .... He could have had Quin for less money and at this point in their respective careers , Quin is probably the better player.
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Hey bro.... I'm a Houston fan, i.e. I expect the worse. How Houston doesn't have a higher suicide rate than Seattle is beyond me...

BTW bro, give me a call. It's been too long my friend.
 
infantrycak said:
Arian's cap is $8.25 mil this season.
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The discussion on Reed was what he allegedly wanted in a contract $7 m and what Houston offered at $5 m in a contract. We would not know what Reed's cap would be until we know how contract is designed ie bonus. That is why I posted base salary in flow of the thread rather than cap as that was what is being discussed. Your figure on Foster's cap is correct.
 
badboy said:
The discussion on Reed was what he allegedly wanted in a contract $7 m and what Houston offered at $5 m in a contract. We would not know what Reed's cap would be until we know how contract is designed ie bonus. That is why I posted base salary in flow of the thread rather than cap as that was what is being discussed. Your figure on Foster's cap is correct.
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Saying flow of the thread doesn't change the fact Foster is effectively getting paid more than $5.25 mil this year. Average over the life of the contract and average cap hit are the same and are not average base salary.
 
The name of this thread should be changed to Ed Reed visits Texans, does not agree to terms, and then gets out of town fast under the false pretext that he does not want to deal with Pitbull fans. The last part cracks me up, what a horrible excuse.
 
So I guess the Niners are incompetent boobs just being played because they didn't get a deal done with Woodson. Some of y'all really need to chill.
 
Safety isn't even the biggest hole on this defense, but ILB is. Now that Brooks Reed is staying outside, who do we have lining up next to Cushing? Is Cushing going to be 100% ever? I think it's foolish if the Texans are counting on Cushing to take most of the snaps on defense. It's a prescription for another injury. We also don't have a starter on nose tackle, there's the obvious need at receiver and tight end. Then there's the matter of filling up the roster with quality backup players that we've lost so far.
 
infantrycak said:
So I guess the Niners are incompetent boobs just being played because they didn't get a deal done with Woodson. Some of y'all really need to chill.
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My friends have been calling me bitching the past 2 days. I'm like dude you do realize its the beginning of free agency right? I don't understand the overreaction.
 
Nawzer said:
Safety isn't even the biggest hole on this defense, but ILB is. Now that Brooks Reed is staying outside, who do we have lining up next to Cushing? Is Cushing going to be 100% ever? I think it's foolish if the Texans are counting on Cushing to take most of the snaps on defense. It's a prescription for another injury. We also don't have a starter on nose tackle, there's the obvious need at receiver and tight end. Then there's the matter of filling up the roster with quality backup players that we've lost so far.
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I dont really agree with that .... The other ILB next to Cushing wasnt as talented as Quin. James , Dobbins , Ruud .... were servicable players nothing more and were only asked to play 1-2 downs. Quin was a three down player and very versatile being able to essentially step into the box playing a LBer spot.

With Cushing out .... yeah , ILB is a bigger need but with him you can get away with a journeyman type there.
 
Corrosion said:
I dont really agree with that .... The other ILB next to Cushing wasnt as talented as Quin. James , Dobbins , Ruud .... were servicable players nothing more and were only asked to play 1-2 downs. Quin was a three down player and very versatile being able to essentially step into the box playing a LBer spot.

With Cushing out .... yeah , ILB is a bigger need but with him you can get away with a journeyman type there.
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I don't want another journeyman type again. Bradie James was **** last year and Dobbins was decent against the run. I'm of the opinion that they not only need 1 but 2 good ILBs now. You can never have enough linebackers for this defense and when your #1 guy is coming off an acl, it's imperative to have a good group of guys behind him. The safety position is a hole now and it is a big hole, but if you don't have a good front 7 then it doesn't matter who you have back there, you're going to get burned for big plays consistently.
 
infantrycak said:
Saying flow of the thread doesn't change the fact Foster is effectively getting paid more than $5.25 mil this year. Average over the life of the contract and average cap hit are the same and are not average base salary.
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Foster is not getting paid more than $5.25 m that is it. He might earn $500,000 in "other bonus". We had this same type conversation on another thread where you jump to what you want to talk about rather than what is being talked about by posters. His 2013 cap is $8.25 m and his average over life of contract is $8.7 m so you are wrong there also.

A player is only interested in his dollars in a new contract not what his cap may be. As long as he gets what he wants the team can arrange it anyway they want to benefit team cap. Again what you don't want to get is we were talking salaries so I compared salaries of Texan players. If Reed or any other player is signed and we know complete specifics we can then compare cap numbers.
 
infantrycak said:
So I guess the Niners are incompetent boobs just being played because they didn't get a deal done with Woodson. Some of y'all really need to chill.
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Rick Smith might not be Daryl Morey but at least he did not have to release one of our best players because he did not send the restructured contract paperwork to league offices on time. This is why Dumervil was released by the Broncos, what a massive fail. It is a little more complicated than that but what it boils down to is that the Broncos did not send Dumervil and his agent a copy of the revised restructured contract until 30 min. before it had to be turned into league offices, way too late. Dumervil and the Broncos had come to an agreement but now he could very well sign with another team. I just about fell out of my chair when I heard about this one, here is the link...http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...d-rips-broncos-over-contract-screwup/1991723/
 
Nawzer said:
Safety isn't even the biggest hole on this defense, but ILB is. Now that Brooks Reed is staying outside, who do we have lining up next to Cushing? Is Cushing going to be 100% ever? I think it's foolish if the Texans are counting on Cushing to take most of the snaps on defense. It's a prescription for another injury. We also don't have a starter on nose tackle, there's the obvious need at receiver and tight end. Then there's the matter of filling up the roster with quality backup players that we've lost so far.
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Not all agree with you on ILB. I think WR2 and NT with the former extending both AJ and Matt's careers. A solid NT can reduced the need or at least the quality of ILB such that a later round pick like my guy AJ Klein could succeed in that D. Having said this, with a similar situation last off season in a starting OLB (Mario) leaving in free agency and Barwin & Reed starting what position was drafted #1? Same scenario...same pick? Especially with all the so call starting WR waiting for us in second round?
 
Nawzer said:
I don't want another journeyman type again. Bradie James was **** last year and Dobbins was decent against the run. I'm of the opinion that they not only need 1 but 2 good ILBs now. You can never have enough linebackers for this defense and when your #1 guy is coming off an acl, it's imperative to have a good group of guys behind him. The safety position is a hole now and it is a big hole, but if you don't have a good front 7 then it doesn't matter who you have back there, you're going to get burned for big plays consistently.
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Dont forget we play a LOT of 3 safety sets. I thought we needed another one before we lost quin. If they played the package today our starters would be manning, keo, and demps?

Don't overreact to that opinion though, because I'd expect us to draft an olb and an ilb as well.

Ya know, this side of free agency sucks. It used to feel like christmas because we thought we were getting better. Now its just turd cheerios.
 
So heres what we basically looking at

We need a starting

Safety
LB
#2 WR
FB
RT
RG
NT


Ok going off of that and that is not including the back ups and extra TE we appear to be "screwed"

To put it lightly we better hope all our picks pan out and even trade for mr irrelevant and hop he is the next Arian Foster type player. No sweat in Rick Smith we trust aye.....
 
EllisUnit said:
So heres what we basically looking at

We need a starting

Safety
LB
#2 WR
FB
RT
RG
NT


Ok going off of that and that is not including the back ups and extra TE we appear to be "screwed"

To put it lightly we better hope all our picks pan out and even trade for mr irrelevant and hop he is the next Arian Foster type player. No sweat in Rick Smith we trust aye.....
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Yeah there's no way we're filling all those holes in one off season. And yes as of today it looks like we are screwed. But hey, it's not my job that's on the line. If I'm McNair I'm probably not really happy right now with what's been happening over the last few days.
 
EllisUnit said:
So heres what we basically looking at

We need a starting

Safety
LB
#2 WR
FB
RT
RG
NT


Ok going off of that and that is not including the back ups and extra TE we appear to be "screwed"

To put it lightly we better hope all our picks pan out and even trade for mr irrelevant and hop he is the next Arian Foster type player. No sweat in Rick Smith we trust aye.....
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Starting fullbacks are not that hard to come by. Don't need a starting nt, og, ot. We just need a starting inside linebacker, a #2 receiver and a safety.
 
Nawzer said:
I don't want another journeyman type again. Bradie James was **** last year and Dobbins was decent against the run. I'm of the opinion that they not only need 1 but 2 good ILBs now. You can never have enough linebackers for this defense and when your #1 guy is coming off an acl, it's imperative to have a good group of guys behind him. The safety position is a hole now and it is a big hole, but if you don't have a good front 7 then it doesn't matter who you have back there, you're going to get burned for big plays consistently.
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I dont disagree with the bottom line .... Just remembering all the piss poor safety play we saw before Quin and Manning and I think Quin is a much better player than any of the ILB's not named Cushing.

They lost at least one significant player at every level of the defense - Cody , Barwin , James , Dobbins and Quin.
Im really wondering how Smith pieces together this defense with such limited cap space.

I mentioned this in the Mock Draft section a while back .... But I could see them starting Earl Mitchell with Crick being his primary backup at the NT spot rather than spending significant money in FA or a premium draft choice on the NT spot ....

This is going to be a really interesting offseason ... and I could see them taking a big step back if Rick Smith doesnt figure out how to replace all the production lost to FA and cutting Walter. I dont know that they can spend significant money or draft choices on each position of need ....

This roster is full of holes right now on both sides of the ball.

panamamyers said:
Starting fullbacks are not that hard to come by. Don't need a starting nt, og, ot. We just need a starting inside linebacker, a #2 receiver and a safety.
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They are woefully thin at OT right now ..... add to that Newton coming off of surgery and the need for an OT seems significant to me.


Games are won and lost in the trenches .....
 
EllisUnit said:
So heres what we basically looking at

We need a starting

Safety
LB
#2 WR
FB
RT
RG
NT


Ok going off of that and that is not including the back ups and extra TE we appear to be "screwed"

To put it lightly we better hope all our picks pan out and even trade for mr irrelevant and hop he is the next Arian Foster type player. No sweat in Rick Smith we trust aye.....
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We have Klutz at FB.
 
panamamyers said:
Starting fullbacks are not that hard to come by. Don't need a starting nt, og, ot. We just need a starting inside linebacker, a #2 receiver and a safety.
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hmmm newton coming off surgery,,,,well were you happy with the offensive line last season ???

Screw it i guess we just get a bunch of scrubs to fill all these spots like we did with the oline. We should be golden then :kitten:
 
EllisUnit said:
So heres what we basically looking at

We need a starting

Safety
LB
#2 WR
FB
RT
RG
NT


Ok going off of that and that is not including the back ups and extra TE we appear to be "screwed"

To put it lightly we better hope all our picks pan out and even trade for mr irrelevant and hop he is the next Arian Foster type player. No sweat in Rick Smith we trust aye.....
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No. Brooks can start RG and if healthy Newton is our starting RT. Mitchell has been rumored to be starting Nose ( I disagree). They signed Clutts for a reason at FB but Casey was just more in tuned with that position having played it. Clutts could be our starter; if not, a late round or UDFA could do job. We will see a lot of rookie play but that might not be so bad depending on whom we select. I still think we will be better in 2013.
 
badboy said:
Foster is not getting paid more than $5.25 m that is it. He might earn $500,000 in "other bonus". We had this same type conversation on another thread where you jump to what you want to talk about rather than what is being talked about by posters. His 2013 cap is $8.25 m and his average over life of contract is $8.7 m so you are wrong there also.
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Stick with the draft because you suck at apples to apples conversations on cap issues. Looking at Foster's base salary and comparing it to an average demand is asinine.

Fine, pay Reed $1 mil in salary and an $8 mil signing bonus with a 2nd year salary of $6 mil and his first year cap hit is under your specious $5.25 orange comparison.

As to your last sentence, do you truly not understand the difference between one year of a contract and average?
 
EllisUnit said:
hmmm newton coming off surgery,,,,well were you happy with the offensive line last season ???

Screw it i guess we just get a bunch of scrubs to fill all these spots like we did with the oline. We should be golden then :kitten:
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Cak .... You play RT , TexanBill , You get Safety , DoubleBarrel can take Walters spot at WR , I'll play ILB and Dread can line up in Barwin's spot. We'll be just fine with a bunch of 40 somethings .... :swatter:
 
Corrosion said:
Cak .... You play RT , TexanBill , You get Safety , DoubleBarrel can take Walters spot at WR , I'll play ILB and Dread can line up in Barwin's spot. We'll be just fine with a bunch of 40 somethings .... :swatter:
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I'll punt
 
I'll take Kubiaks spot, i have played a lot of madden. Surely i can call some pass plays when we're losing. That right there would throw me in a class above him all together :)
 
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