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Davis Mills getting no respect

JB

Old Curmudgeon
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From the quoted article @ your link:
Mills finished the 2021 regular season as the highest-graded rookie quarterback in my season-long series in which I watched all the drop-back throws from the first- and second-year quarterbacks and graded each game. The sixth quarterback picked in a super-hyped class was the best in Year 1. Imagine that.
While playing with only average athleticism, Mills is dangerous to opposing defenses because of his high-end arm talent and quality accuracy down the football field. He'll play similarly to how he did as a rookie -- with marked albeit small statistical improvement. While it won't be an encouraging enough season for Houston to shy away from a quarterback in the first round of the 2023 draft, Mills will play his way into a quarterback competition next season, maybe even on another team.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
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The Athletics Mike Sando article pulling opinions of 50 coaches in QB position poll (The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department

TIER 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

27. Davis Mills
Pre-draft evaluations do not change overnight, but Mills did win over voters to a degree that was not foreseen when Houston used a 2021 third-round choice to select him.

“I love this kid,” a defensive coordinator who faced Mills said. “I think he is so poised. He stands in the pocket, he is able to deliver the ball. I think he knows where to go with the ball. He throws a pretty ball, he throws a catchable ball, he sees the field. He’s a 3.”

Mills had a lower expectations bar to clear than quarterbacks who entered the league as first-round picks, so he could be benefiting from a surprise factor. As in, Mills sure is impressive — for a third-round pick.

“Really like his composure,” a personnel director said. “He makes plays in the passing game. Doesn’t have the best arm but is an adequate passer. He reminds me of a better Andy Dalton.”

Again, if a top-five pick reminded someone of Dalton, it might be seen as a pejorative. A third-rounder becoming Dalton sounds better.

“How about all the hype on Davis Mills,” a former head coach said. “I just don’t see it.”

A personnel director called Mills “pretty interesting” for his anticipation and accuracy, suggesting Mills “is going to surprise a lot of people” this season.

“He’s done some good things,” a former GM said, “but doing good things when your team is no good, that is a whole different thing. He is still a 4 to me. I have yet to see legitimate starter.”

An offensive coach who questioned Mills’ durability and athletic movement entering the draft said he thought Mills had greater upside than Tagovailoa but lacked the support to fare as well this season.

“Liked him coming out in the draft,” a GM said. “If he turns into a Garoppolo, that wouldn’t shock me.”
 
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steelbtexan

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Question would you pass up one of the two top QBs in the upcoming draft next year if Mills only wins 4-5 games?
Depends on how Mills looks.

I only expect them to win 4-5 games due to the SOS and theTexans lacking in talent.

Let me ask you,if you were the Jags and they only win 4-5 games would you look to move on from Lawrence and draft another QB high? Mills looked much better than Lawrence last season.
 

vtech9

Veteran
Depends on how Mills looks.

I only expect them to win 4-5 games due to the SOS and theTexans lacking in talent.

Let me ask you,if you were the Jags and they only win 4-5 games would you look to move on from Lawrence and draft another QB high? Mills looked much better than Lawrence last season.
Now, we're on the same wavelength here. I'll expand on that though...Would the other teams with 2nd year QB's move on? I mean, overall Mills was the 2nd best rookie last season, but over the last 5 games, he was the best, not to mention that he had the worst supporting cast of all of them. People are using the excuse that since Davis Mills was a 3rd round pick, being better than the 1st round QB's isn't enough...That looking good isn't enough. That no matter how many games the Texans win, unless they make it to the playoffs, it's not enough. It boggles my mind.
 

mws

Rookie
I can see both sides. Why waste our high draft choices if Mills is good enough. On the other hand how can we pass up the chance to get a franchise QB while we have multiple first round choices?

I know it is too much to hope for but it would really be nice that by the end of the season we had a clear path to take. With our luck Mills will be just good enough to muddy the waters.

With all that said I'm more excited about this season than I have been since Watson's rookie year. I can hardly wait for Saturday.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Source-

The Athletics Mike Sando article pulling opinions of 50 coaches in QB position poll (The results reflect voting from 50 NFL coaches and executives, including six general managers, eight head coaches, 10 evaluators, 12 coordinators, six quarterback coaches and seven execs whose specialties include analytics, game management and the salary cap. The remaining ballot was put together by four members of one team’s personnel department

TIER 4
A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games.

27. Davis Mills
Pre-draft evaluations do not change overnight, but Mills did win over voters to a degree that was not foreseen when Houston used a 2021 third-round choice to select him.

“I love this kid,” a defensive coordinator who faced Mills said. “I think he is so poised. He stands in the pocket, he is able to deliver the ball. I think he knows where to go with the ball. He throws a pretty ball, he throws a catchable ball, he sees the field. He’s a 3.”

Mills had a lower expectations bar to clear than quarterbacks who entered the league as first-round picks, so he could be benefiting from a surprise factor. As in, Mills sure is impressive — for a third-round pick.

“Really like his composure,” a personnel director said. “He makes plays in the passing game. Doesn’t have the best arm but is an adequate passer. He reminds me of a better Andy Dalton.”

Again, if a top-five pick reminded someone of Dalton, it might be seen as a pejorative. A third-rounder becoming Dalton sounds better.

“How about all the hype on Davis Mills,” a former head coach said. “I just don’t see it.”

A personnel director called Mills “pretty interesting” for his anticipation and accuracy, suggesting Mills “is going to surprise a lot of people” this season.

“He’s done some good things,” a former GM said, “but doing good things when your team is no good, that is a whole different thing. He is still a 4 to me. I have yet to see legitimate starter.”

An offensive coach who questioned Mills’ durability and athletic movement entering the draft said he thought Mills had greater upside than Tagovailoa but lacked the support to fare as well this season.

“Liked him coming out in the draft,” a GM said. “If he turns into a Garoppolo, that wouldn’t shock me.”
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This is my face if those “former” HC and GM’s that gave negative opinions were someone like Mangini and/or Dave Gettleman….
 

Mangler

Hall Of Famer
Now, we're on the same wavelength here. I'll expand on that though...Would the other teams with 2nd year QB's move on? I mean, overall Mills was the 2nd best rookie last season, but over the last 5 games, he was the best, not to mention that he had the worst supporting cast of all of them. People are using the excuse that since Davis Mills was a 3rd round pick, being better than the 1st round QB's isn't enough...That looking good isn't enough. That no matter how many games the Texans win, unless they make it to the playoffs, it's not enough. It boggles my mind.
I agree. Also, totally unrelated, but this (for some oddball reason) reminds me of last season when the news and lawsuits against Depredator Watson came out and a certain group of individuals demanded that everything went in Derapist’s favor. I remember a few posters here hoping and praying that the McNairs were forced to sell the team because they were “racist” and if they tries to “force” him to play, that Goodell step in and put Decosby on the CEL so he could sit and the Texans be forced to pay him. It’s like, they demanded for the Texans to get screwed no matter what. It’s like, no matter how graphic and disgusting the details it just had to be the Texans fault, because they just had to have framed him after he requested a trade! Mills, as the Texans, are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
I am going out on a limb and going to buy the small amount of hype out there.

We should start treating Davis Mills like he is a first round drafted QB. I have seen others refer to first round selections as franchise QBs as if it is expected and almost automatic.

If Mills had waited a year he would have been drafted in the first round. Had he waited a year, got more starts and had been drafted in the first people wouldn’t speculate that he has as low of a ceiling. He would have more hype around him.

Last year was like his senior year in college but in the NFL.

He ultimately had a HC and OC that were fired for a variety of reasons and yet he was still able to grow as a passer.

We have a talented crew around him to help him grow even further. He isn’t going to be a top 5 QB, but I could see he cracking into the top 10 over the next year or two years as more talent on the offense is put around him.

I don’t expect to see him implode, but I do expect to see some growing pains and struggle here and there. But he will show he can be a franchise QB.

I don’t think we will should be thinking of drafting a QB next year.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I am going out on a limb and going to buy the small amount of hype out there.

We should start treating Davis Mills like he is a first round drafted QB. I have seen others refer to first round selections as franchise QBs as if it is expected and almost automatic.

If Mills had waited a year he would have been drafted in the first round. Had he waited a year, got more starts and had been drafted in the first people wouldn’t speculate that he has as low of a ceiling. He would have more hype around him.

Last year was like his senior year in college but in the NFL.

He ultimately had a HC and OC that were fired for a variety of reasons and yet he was still able to grow as a passer.

We have a talented crew around him to help him grow even further. He isn’t going to be a top 5 QB, but I could see he cracking into the top 10 over the next year or two years as more talent on the offense is put around him.

I don’t expect to see him implode, but I do expect to see some growing pains and struggle here and there. But he will show he can be a franchise QB.

I don’t think we will should be thinking of drafting a QB next year.
I am not interested in when Mills was drafted or anything about his college. Also I am not going to compare him to those in his class or this year's college class that came out in 2022 draft. He does not have to be a top anything to evaluate his progress. I want to see him improve on his progressions and check downs, his ability to read the defense and get rid of the ball or hold it and take a sack rather than throw an interception. This is his second year in the NFL and like most he should have significant Improvement. I always think about drafting a better player if there is one available and it is better for the team. My focus is not on the individual player but on the Houston Texans roster.
 

thunderkyss

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I want to see him improve on his progressions and check downs, his ability to read the defense and get rid of the ball or hold it and take a sack rather than throw an interception.
Stated another way, I want to see him read, adjust, & beat defenses. It's a subtle thing & something that is becoming more & more rare with the progress of super-athletic QBs that force defenses to count for their ability to scramble & throw on the run with accuracy.

If Mills can win from the Pocket, like Matt Ryan used to, or Peyton Manning, he'll be a top QB for many, many years.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Stated another way, I want to see him read, adjust, & beat defenses. It's a subtle thing & something that is becoming more & more rare with the progress of super-athletic QBs that force defenses to count for their ability to scramble & throw on the run with accuracy.

If Mills can win from the Pocket, like Matt Ryan used to, or Peyton Manning, he'll be a top QB for many, many years.
You had a comment in another thread that summed it up nicely.

You want a QB to win a game when it’s on his shoulders. Or get the first down when he needs to get the first down. Or get the touchdown to stay in the game.

Win in those big moments.
 


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