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Honest question (I'll regret asking) - if, as you just said, looking at his career he has been a good slot but if he comes here and doesn't do well, exactly whose fault would that be if not BoB? He is the person who signed him, designed the playbook, probably by halfway through Game 1 Quarter 1 will be calling the plays.

Other than 51-7 when exactly is it OK to blame BOB? I'll give you that a lot of players need to execute their job with with more consistency but if that happens and Cobb doesn't do well - who do you blame?
Deshaun Watson (duh)
 

Texansballer74

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Honest question (I'll regret asking) - if, as you just said, looking at his career he has been a good slot but if he comes here and doesn't do well, exactly whose fault would that be if not BoB? He is the person who signed him, designed the playbook, probably by halfway through Game 1 Quarter 1 will be calling the plays.

Other than 51-7 when exactly is it OK to blame BOB? I'll give you that a lot of players need to execute their job with with more consistency but if that happens and Cobb doesn't do well - who do you blame?
Lol a lot of players. The only player he mentioned was Watson. Even the 51-7 is solely on #4 .

Oh he blame Watson if Cobb doesn’t do well.
 

steelbtexan

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Honest question (I'll regret asking) - if, as you just said, looking at his career he has been a good slot but if he comes here and doesn't do well, exactly whose fault would that be if not BoB? He is the person who signed him, designed the playbook, probably by halfway through Game 1 Quarter 1 will be calling the plays.

Other than 51-7 when exactly is it OK to blame BOB? I'll give you that a lot of players need to execute their job with with more consistency but if that happens and Cobb doesn't do well - who do you blame?
If Cobb doesn't do well it's because he will have gotten injured. He's had a few injuries but nothing bad, so I expect him to be healthy. He's been a high end slot for yrs and should do well from age 29-32. Slots are usually mor effective later in their careers than outside guys. (There are exceptions to every rule.

With the speed on the outside the middle of the field should be open for Cobb to operate. It's up to DW4 to find the open guy. There will be open receivers. If you want to blame BOB fine but your blame will be misguided. IMHO.
 

steelbtexan

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Lol a lot of players. The only player he mentioned was Watson. Even the 51-7 is solely on #4 .

Oh he blame Watson if Cobb doesn’t do well.
More BS.

I believe I've stated many times that was a total team failure. From Cal (For not firing BOB after 51-7) to BOB/DW4/RAC/Offense/Defense/ST's Waterboy etc...

But apparently you're only capable of hearing what you want to hear.
 

steelbtexan

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Cobb is definitely washed up.
Did you check out his numbers last yr and his 3rd down conversion/catch rates? Definitely not washed up.

If you played any type of sports you would know a players prime yrs are usually between ages 27 and 32. That's when you truly understand what your job is and you still have the athletic ability to get the job done.
 

RGV82

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Did you check out his numbers last yr and his 3rd down conversion/catch rates? Definitely not washed up.

If you played any type of sports you would know a players prime yrs are usually between ages 27 and 32. That's when you truly understand what your job is and you still have the athletic ability to get the job done.
I have a hard time taking this seriously. This may be somewhat true for elite players with long injury free careers, which Cobb is neither. He’s been injury prone the last several years and is far past his prime.
 

RGV82

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I think you’ll be disappointed this year then. He’s been playing with guys like Ezekiel Elliot and Amari Cooper last year, and Aaron Rodgers as his QB for years before that. He is not going to be what you expect.
 

steelbtexan

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I have a hard time taking this seriously. This may be somewhat true for elite players with long injury free careers, which Cobb is neither. He’s been injury prone the last several years and is far past his prime.
What do you think the prime yrs for an athlete is.

Looking back Cobb has played in

2019 -15 games
2018- 9 games hamstring issues, then a concussion
2017- 15 games
2016- 13 games
2015- 16 games
2014- 16 games
2013- 6 games-Knee
2012- 15 games
2011- 15 games

Does this look like an injury prone guy to you? Missed 12 games in 6 yrs. Most of then in 2018. He was good last yr and would've had atleast 3 more TD's if they had not been called back because of injury.
 

RGV82

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What do you think the prime yrs for an athlete is.

Looking back Cobb has played in

2019 -15 games
2018- 9 games hamstring issues, then a concussion
2017- 15 games
2016- 13 games
2015- 16 games
2014- 16 games
2013- 6 games-Knee
2012- 15 games
2011- 15 games

Does this look like an injury prone guy to you? Missed 12 games in 6 yrs. Most of then in 2018. He was good last yr and would've had atleast 3 more TD's if they had not been called back because of injury.
He’s also always played with a huge compliment of talent around him. Unfortunately I think you’re going to be disappointed by him this year.
 

steelbtexan

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I think you’ll be disappointed this year then. He’s been playing with guys like Ezekiel Elliot and Amari Cooper last year, and Aaron Rodgers as his QB for years before that. He is not going to be what you expect.
You dont expect WFV/Stills/Cooks to produce atleast as much as Cooper/Gallup did last yr. If healthy I think they produce more.

He was money with Rodgers and very good with Dak. I unserstand with Rodgers (He's great) but Dak isn't as good as DW4 (Atleast that's the narrative around these parts) So you dont think DW4 can get him the ball say 60-70 times next yr and that's being conservative in the Pats type offense. Look at Welker/Edelman as a guide.
 

Mr teX

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The Packers had an elite corps of WRs when Cobb was there as well as arguably the best QB of this generation. As for the Pats, what do they have to do with this?
Cobb’s best year as a pro HE was the go to guy on the outside. He played a lot out there that year and Adams was not yet ready as a rookie. In the subsequent years, GB tried to pair him as a #2 to Adams.......on the outside, But that’s never really been his game & he took a beating in addition to seeing more attention while Adams was still trying to emerge. Last year in Dallas saw him return to the slot where he’s best at. Hence the uptick in yardage and yards per reception.
 

RGV82

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But not with DW4

That's kind of the point. No excuses for DW4 this year.
That makes no sense. If you’re agreeing those players look better than they are because of Brady and Rodgers, then we really don’t know how good they’ll be under Watson - which could be an excuse.
 

steelbtexan

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That makes no sense. If you’re agreeing those players look better than they are because of Brady and Rodgers, then we really don’t know how good they’ll be under Watson - which could be an excuse.
It makes perfect sense.

If DW4'S What' you think he is then Cobb should have no problem putting up similar numbers that he put up with Rodgers.
 

RGV82

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It makes perfect sense.

If DW4'S What' you think he is then Cobb should have no problem putting up similar numbers that he put up with Rodgers.
I was thinking the other way around. If people think Cobb is as good as some of you are saying, he should be able to produce with Watson.
 

RGV82

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OK? Has nothing to do with the post I quoted or what I posted
Yes. It does. You said if a QB waits to find someone open he’s going to fail. My point was not all QBs find openings as easily as others.
 

steelbtexan

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No it isn’t. It’s 50/50. He throws the ball to the player who runs the route and is open. He won’t throw to a WR who can’t get open.
So the QB isn't the guy making the decisions where to throw the ball.

If this is true, then we have different visions of QB play.
 

RGV82

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So the QB isn't the guy making the decisions where to throw the ball.

If this is true, then we have different visions of QB play.
Yes. He makes the decisions. The better the WR is and his ability to get open gives the QB more options. Hence, why it’s 50/50 on the QB/WR. If the WR can’t get open it’ll force the QB to make poor decisions. I can’t believe we are even discussing this.
 

Texansballer74

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In this offense both the QB and WRs have to be on the same sheet of music. That receiver has to see what the quarterback sees and be able to get open in that spot. Now a receiver like Hopkins was able to shield his defender and give the quarterback a window to throw in. If that receiver isn’t able to do ether of those things that QB isn’t going to throw there with confidence.
 

steelbtexan

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Yes. He makes the decisions. The better the WR is and his ability to get open gives the QB more options. Hence, why it’s 50/50 on the QB/WR. If the WR can’t get open it’ll force the QB to make poor decisions. I can’t believe we are even discussing this.
Lets blame everybody but the guy throwing the ball. If nobody's open then make the best decision and throw the ball away and move on to the next play. Forcing the ball is what gets QB's in trouble and if they make bad decisions that's on them. This goes for any QB not just DW4. Now if the WR runs the wrong route that's on him.
 

RGV82

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Lets blame everybody but the guy throwing the ball. If nobody's open then make the best decision and throw the ball away and move on to the next play. Forcing the ball is what gets QB's in trouble and if they make bad decisions that's on them. This goes for any QB not just DW4. Now if the WR runs the wrong route that's on him.
You are completely ignoring everything I just said. Why are you saying blame everyone BUT the person throwing the ball?? I CLEARLY just stated it’s 50/50 on the QB. I acknowledged part of the blame is on the QB several times. What are you not understanding??
 

Earl34

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You are completely ignoring everything I just said. Why are you saying blame everyone BUT the person throwing the ball?? I CLEARLY just stated it’s 50/50 on the QB. I acknowledged part of the blame is on the QB several times. What are you not understanding??
If the QB is throwing to the open guy, why are we not talking about the targets to all eligible receivers and include the TEs and RBs? Why are we only talking about how many of the WR targets Hopkins got out of the WR group.

For example, when you look at the target distribution. You see that Duke was targeted more than Stills. You see the TEs were targeted almost 100 times. The TEs and RBs were targeted more than the WR2 and WR3. The ball was distributed. However, the target by TEs and RBs are being ignored, because the narrative is to say without Hopkins the ball will be distributed or Watson was only throwing to Hopkins.

So, to your question about why your comments are being completely ignored? It's because it doesn't fit the current narrative being pushed.

Targets:
WRs: Hopkins (150), Fuller (71), Stills (55), Coutee (36), Carter (9)
Others: Duke (62), Akins (55), Fells (48), Hyde (16), Carter(14), Mitchell (6), Thomas (3)
 
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steelbtexan

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You are completely ignoring everything I just said. Why are you saying blame everyone BUT the person throwing the ball?? I CLEARLY just stated it’s 50/50 on the QB. I acknowledged part of the blame is on the QB several times. What are you not understanding??
The QB is responsible for taking care of the ball, if he forces the ball into coverage then that's on the QB. If the wr runs the wrong route that is on the wr.

Very simple.
 

RGV82

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The QB is responsible for taking care of the ball, if he forces the ball into coverage then that's on the QB. If the wr runs the wrong route that is on the wr.

Very simple.
No. It’s not simple. There are numerous components that go into it. It’s not as simple as blaming it on one player as you are doing.
 

steelbtexan

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This discussion is going nowhere. So you’re saying if Tom Brady in his prime plays with a bunch of amateur WRs running around aimlessly or having a nap on the field, it’s 100% Brady’s fault that they don’t produce?
You didn't answer my question.

If Brady was forcing the ball and throwing ints instead of throwing it away, then yes. If these ametuer wr's were running wrong routes then no.

You kind of saw this with Brady this year. Edelman was the only guy he trusted.
 

RGV82

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You didn't answer my question.

If Brady was forcing the ball and throwing ints instead of throwing it away, then yes. If these ametuer wr's were running wrong routes then no.

You kind of saw this with Brady this year. Edelman was the only guy he trusted.
Ok so you’re contradicting yourself. Initially you said it’s all on DW4. Now you’re admitting it depends on the situation whether it’s DW4s fault or the WRs fault.
 

steelbtexan

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Ok so you’re contradicting yourself. Initially you said it’s all on DW4. Now you’re admitting it depends on the situation whether it’s DW4s fault or the WRs fault.
No contradiction

T be clear, if a QB forces the ball and a turnover happens, that's on the QB.

If a wr runs the wrong route and a turnover happens that's on the wr.
 


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