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steelbtexan said:
Fournette wouldn't come here. Especially if you're going to be a bad team and although I don't like the move if you're going to be bad be really bad and DJ helps with the tank.
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Mr teX said:
the market might be bloated, but fournette or any of these younger guys you’re talking about aren’t coming here on 1 year deals for 4 million guaranteed. The other thing is we can’t afford to waste ANY of our draft picks this year on a rb. Perhaps an undrafted guy...but even in that scenario, they have to want to come here over other offers they may recieve from other teams...especially given the press we’ve enjoyed as of late. It’s just not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
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Very good points on the free agent part. Everyone is talking about how no free agent will want to play here because of how bad the front office is and the Watson situation and then they turn around and say we could have gotten a replacement in F/A. Either we can't get any free agents or we can replace guys with F/A. Its can't be both.
 
Mr teX said:
the market might be bloated, but fournette or any of these younger guys you’re talking about aren’t coming here on 1 year deals for 4 million guaranteed. The other thing is we can’t afford to waste ANY of our draft picks this year on a rb. Perhaps an undrafted guy...but even in that scenario, they have to want to come here over other offers they may recieve from other teams...especially given the press we’ve enjoyed as of late. It’s just not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
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This is how I see it as well. FA running backs that are better than DJ are looking for something longer term.

I also don't want to draft a RB in the 3rd and already pencil him in as the starter. I would still draft an RB in the 3rd, but have him be a backup his rookie season.

As much as I don't like DJ, and I thought he was going to be cut for sure, I'm can live with this move. I'm happy it's just a one year deal.
 
I'm over the initial shock of the David Johnson deal. From an observation standpoint, DJ had a few games last season that showed he still had something left in the tank. A better OL may have created more of those type of games. DJ could be moved to a 3rd down back in 2021 where his pass catching skills could be better used. He could be a solid veteran presence to a couple of young RB's from the draft. Trying my best to levitate the water above the half empty point and make it a glass half full situation.
 
dream_team said:
The way I look at it is they spent ~$4mil for David Johnson in 2021. I mean, they were going to pay him 2mil regardless.

After cutting Duke, which I agreed with, they NEEDED an RB. Question is, could have they gotten someone better than DJ for 4 mil? Maybe? I don't know. At a one year deal, most likely not.

What this move does tell me, though, is the team is not planning a complete re-build. If the team is thinking we're going to trade DW and go through a total rebuild, doesn't make sense to retain DJ.
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I haven’t seen the details, but I think it’s now $4.25 guaranteed. Meaning the other $1,500 is performance based?

Maybe. So you’d have to find a replacement for $2.1M

The only way to look at this is as cap savings. It’s like cutting Mancz, or Kelemente.
 
maverick512000 said:
Very good points on the free agent part. Everyone is talking about how no free agent will want to play here because of how bad the front office is and the Watson situation and then they turn around and say we could have gotten a replacement in F/A. Either we can't get any free agents or we can replace guys with F/A. Its can't be both.
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I think the FA statements about the Texans are overstated. There are always going to be young, hungry players that would sign to any of the 32 teams. The Texans might not be the destination for a lot of the higher priced FAs, but the Texans most likely are not signing those guys for a while anyway.

While I'm not a fan of this DJ deal, there are lots of good points made in this thread. The reason(s) for the deal could be a mix of many of them.

Maybe they are just looking at him for veteran leadership, he knows the scheme, wants to be here, and let's face it, the Texans are not going to compete for anything significant in 2021. He could be the test subject for the o-line rebuild.
 
Considering he split carries, missed 2-3 games b/c of concussion and ran behind 1 of the worst o-lines in the league, DJ performed well imo. 630 yards 6 TD’s and 33 recs..that’s a 4 million dollar back imo. And too, A cintilla of improvement in any 1 of those things (i.e. more carries, better blocking or more games played) or a combo of improvement in any or all 3, could see him perform ever better.
 
Mr teX said:
Considering he split carries, missed 2-3 games b/c of concussion and ran behind 1 of the worst o-lines in the league, DJ performed well imo. 630 yards 6 TD’s and 33 recs..that’s a 4 million dollar back imo. And too, A cintilla of improvement in any 1 of those things (i.e. more carries, better blocking or more games played) or a combo of improvement in any or all 3, could see him perform ever better.
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That's what I wanted to add.
Except for the part that he may get another concussion and be done with for the season at any time.
The last one was pretty serious; and from what I read, the serious one tends to facilitate another one .
 
thunderkyss said:
He may not be young, but I bet Hyde would take a $3M deal.
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COVID economics is being viewed as a bad thing overall for the NFL when talking about the salary cap..really its only bad for players & its going to be great for NFL FO's. I don't think we resign DJ for that 6 mil without COVID economics in play. Likewise, there are going to be alot of JD Clowney's out on the market this year; That is, guys who think they're worth more....and in some cases it will be true, but will be forced to take less on 1 year prove it deals in hopes that the market returns to normal in 2022.

So yeah, Hyde probably would take that 3M deal, but is he really a better back than DJ at this point? DJ rushed for & caught for more yards, and TD's than Hyde did for Seattle last year.
 
76Texan said:
That's what I wanted to add.
Except for the part that he may get another concussion and be done with for the season at any time.
The last one was pretty serious; and from what I read, the serious one tends to facilitate another one .
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I hear ya, but alot of people thought the same thing about Cooks last year & he put up great numbers and only missed 1 game.
 
Mr teX said:
COVID economics is being viewed as a bad thing overall for the NFL when talking about the salary cap..really its only bad for players & its going to be great for NFL FO's. I don't think we resign DJ for that 6 mil without COVID economics in play. Likewise, there are going to be alot of JD Clowney's out on the market this year; That is, guys who think they're worth this, but will be forced to take less on 1 year prove it deals in hopes that the market returns to normal in 2022.

So yeah, Hyde probably would take that 3M deal, but is he really a better back than DJ at this point? DJ rushed for & caught for more yards, and TD's than Hyde did for Seattle last year.
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But Chris Carson has been the feature back for the Seahawks the last 3 years .
Hyde (whom I think is JAG) didn't have much opportunity.
 
76Texan said:
But Chris Carson has been the feature back for the Seahawks the last 3 years .
Hyde (whom I think is JAG) didn't have much opportunity.
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Carson, Penny and Hyde all saw snaps last year, but none were anything special; Hyde was 3rd in that rotation...tells you all you need to know about him right there.
 
Mr teX said:
Carson, Penny and Hyde all saw snaps last year, but none were anything special; Hyde was 3rd in that rotation...tells you all you need to know about him right there.
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True, as I said, I think Hyde is a JAG.

But DJ is not much above that, and he's going to earn more, even after the cut.

I think Hyde may sign for the veteran minimum.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m not a doctor, but I don’t believe they “cleared” him with even a mild concussion.

It’s ok to say, “oops, I got that wrong.” Every now and then.
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His head his the ground very hard.
That's the definition of a concussion.

He was dazed for over a minute.
He had zero response when the DB took the ball away from him.
Those are symptoms.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I think the Texans could get Le'Veon Bell for the same or less b/c the Chiefs are going to have to start cutting salaries at some point.....Bell will be a cap casualty.
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PFF projects that Bell and another free agent or two will get $5M per, and a few will get more than that.

DJ was 19th in total yards, with just 1 fumble, and a fair number of TDs.

$4.25M is in line with the salary scale.

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If he's going to earn the bonus, I think he will have to be more productive; right?
 
Mr teX said:
Hope you don’t mean young backs via FA...you’re gonna be paying a premium and way more for those guys than you are resigning Johnson on a 1 year deal;.that is if you want someone worth a damn. Plus too the young backs are gonna be here through the draft and FA regardless. The only guys we have a the position currently on the roster are Johnson and Howell I believe.

I like the deal simply b/c he’s a vet, he wants to be here, you didn’t break the bank and actually lessened his cap hit to well under what you would’ve paid him and he’s actually a good back. He showed what he could do in a few games .......when he’s got lanes to run through.
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I wish they would've gone in a different direction.

But I understand why they did.

It only cost them 2 mil.

Getting say Peterson for the vet min plus adding a rookie is the way I would've gone. God how do the Texans always put them in this position?
 
Mr teX said:
the market might be bloated, but fournette or any of these younger guys you’re talking about aren’t coming here on 1 year deals for 4 million guaranteed. The other thing is we can’t afford to waste ANY of our draft picks this year on a rb. Perhaps an undrafted guy...but even in that scenario, they have to want to come here over other offers they may recieve from other teams...especially given the press we’ve enjoyed as of late. It’s just not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
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If a RB like Kylin Hill falls to Cards the 4th rd they should absolutely pick him. That guy could solve the Texans RB position for the next 5 yrs. If you're looking for value that would be great value. IMHO
 
76Texan said:
His head his the ground very hard.
That's the definition of a concussion.
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Again, I'm not a doctor. The NFL requires a third party specialist on the sidelines to determine whether the player suffered a concussion or not. That person (who is a doctor & probably knows the definition of "concussion") said whatever it was Brandin Cooks experienced there, was not a concussion.
 
thunderkyss said:
Again, I'm not a doctor. The NFL requires a third party specialist on the sidelines to determine whether the player suffered a concussion or not. That person (who is a doctor & probably knows the definition of "concussion") said whatever it was Brandin Cooks experienced there, was not a concussion.
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Yes, but 76 knows all.

Dont believe me? Read some of his posts.
 
thunderkyss said:
Again, I'm not a doctor. The NFL requires a third party specialist on the sidelines to determine whether the player suffered a concussion or not. That person (who is a doctor & probably knows the definition of "concussion") said whatever it was Brandin Cooks experienced there, was not a concussion.
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You read the medical explanations; however many you like.
When a person hit the ground with his head in that fashion, it's defined as a concussion.
That has not changed over the years.


DJ passed the protocol and was cleared to play because he did not show severe/prolonged effects.

Nobody knows for sure about the long term effects, but we know that the more head impacts a person suffer, the higher the likelihood of a recurrence, and the higher the possibility of a severe one.

Now if you want to use the term "head impact" instead of "concussion", feel free to do so.
 
76Texan said:
You read the medical explanations; however many you like.
When a person hit the ground with his head in that fashion, it's defined as a concussion.
That has not changed over the years.


DJ passed the protocol and was cleared to play because he did not show severe/prolonged effects.

Nobody knows for sure about the long term effects, but we know that the more head impacts a person suffer, the higher the likelihood of a recurrence, and the higher the possibility of a severe one.

Now if you want to use the term "head impact" instead of "concussion", feel free to do so.
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I think maybe you’re confusing collision with concussion

Regardless, when someone here talks about Cooks not getting a concussion, we’re generally talking about the kind that takes him out of the game. Primarily because those affect his availability, & therefore his value.

It would be unreasonable to think he’ll never hit his head again.
 
I seem to recall @CloakNNNdagger doing a very good break down on how concussions are determined and what the difference is between a mild one and one that is marked on his player record for number of concussions taken. Pretty sure just hitting your head hard isn't enough to classify something as a concussions otherwise I would get a concussion every time I go over to my mother in law's house with her low hanging chandelier.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think maybe you’re confusing collision with concussion

Regardless, when someone here talks about Cooks not getting a concussion, we’re generally talking about the kind that takes him out of the game. Primarily because those affect his availability, & therefore his value.

It would be unreasonable to think he’ll never hit his head again.
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A concussion, also known as a mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI), is caused by a bump, blow, or jolt to either the head or the body that causes the brain to move rapidly inside the skull. A concussion changes how the brain normally functions.

Concussions are a major component of what the Brain Injury Research Institute studies. Concussions can have serious and long-term health effects, and even a seemingly mild 'ding' or a bump on the head can be serious.

Brain Injury Research | Brain Injury Research Institute

Learn about the work being done by the team of doctors at the Brain Injury Research Institute. We want to find prevention and treatments for chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
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1. The term concussion is generally interchangeable with mild traumatic brain injury. Most people will at some point in their life suffer a mild concussion, whether in a fall, in a sports accident or after being struck in the head by an object. The larger the number of concussions suffered, the greater are the chances that the individual will develop chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

2. An estimated 1.6-3.8 million sports- and recreation-related concussions occur in the United States each year.

3. Brain injuries cause more deaths than any other sports injury. In football, brain injuries account for 65% to 95% of all fatalities. Football injuries associated with the brain occur at the rate of one in every 5.5 games.

4. An athlete who sustains concussion is 4-6 times more likely to sustain a second concussion.

What is a Concussion? | Brain Injury Research Institute

The Brain Injury Research Institute explains how one can suffer a concussion, as well as how this can affect the brain long-term.
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I have nothing further to add.
 
maverick512000 said:
I seem to recall @CloakNNNdagger doing a very good break down on how concussions are determined and what the difference is between a mild one and one that is marked on his player record for number of concussions taken. Pretty sure just hitting your head hard isn't enough to classify something as a concussions otherwise I would get a concussion every time I go over to my mother in law's house with her low hanging chandelier.
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www.sbnation.com

NFL concussion protocol cannot save football

NFL players are going to try to fake the concussion protocol, no matter how good it is.
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The wife says husband suffered multi concussions through the years; she must have observed the symptoms at home, but Brady never reported any to the team.
Obviously, he passed all the tests.

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NFL’s headache worsens as Calvin Johnson says he hid concussions from team doctors

Megatron is presenting a potential Mega-headache to the NFL. He’s joined the list of NFL players who suffered concussions and didn’t tell team medical personnel. Who’s next? This …
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"During 2001-2005, children and youth ages 5-18 years accounted for 2.4 million sports-related emergency department (ED) visits annually, of which 6% (135,000) involved a concussion."

This is the picture that my son's head coach showed in his slide show during a parent meeting. lol

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The truth is that there will most likely be no way to stop concussions from high risk sports, regardless if it's football, soccer, BMX, snow skiiing, skateboarding, MMA, etc.

That said, maybe having 6 year olds run Oklahoma drills every day at football practice is not such a good idea. . . :thinking:
 
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