CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

[DocBar]

I'm certainly not going to change your mind, but drafting Stroud will put butts in the seats, instead of drafting say 1-2 Anderson and trading up to 1-9 from 1-12 and drafting say, Carter and having the best 2 defensive guys in this draft on your team. Then drafting a QB in 2024 because you haven't burned through the Derrick draft picks like a drunken sailor. (I just used Carter as an example, so guys like JB dont say Carter is a turd and I would never draft him.)

Fact is everytime I here Stroud speak, I just shake my head. Did you know Day calls all of the audibles for the Ohio St. offense? I figure you do since you live in Ohio. Stroud has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb according to his test scores. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's a football savant like he claims to be. My experience in life is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he ain't that smart.

You're quite right. You won't change my mind. Stroud's play on the field will make my mind up. I wasn't all in on Stroud. I do not like OSU QBs in the NFL.
If I were drafting a QB to put butts in seats, I would've drafted Richardson. The NFL has never seen his level of athleticism before. Not Newton, Not Vick, not Jackson. Never. That kind of innate athleticism puts butts in seats way more than a pocket passer who occasionally uses his legs and isn't great under pressure (few QBs are great under pressure).
I'm hoping that CJS can be a franchise, elite QB. I don't believe he is one right now. I don't believe any 2023 drafted QB is a franchise QB right now. They've gotta prove it on the field.
FWIW, I would've taken a flyer on Clayton Tune. System QB who ran the system like a maestro. Leader. Accurate. Mobile when he needs to be. Makes off-schedule plays. Full field reader. Has intangibles. Biggest knock I have on him is anticipation, which is a big knock and why I said I would take a flyer on him. I hope he does well in Arizona.

 

[DocBar]

So what is the appropriate response according to you?

Especially when it's clear as day that the young man makes bad choices in the people he hangs with?

NFL analysts, players defend C.J. Stroud against 'concerns' raised about his character (sportsnaut.com)
Seems like more opinion from you that isn't based on fact.

 

[rmartin65]

Fact is everytime I here Stroud speak, I just shake my head. Did you know Day calls all of the audibles for the Ohio St. offense? I figure you do since you live in Ohio. Stroud has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb according to his test scores. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's a football savant like he claims to be. My experience in life is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he ain't that smart.

Do you really shake your head when you “here” him speak?

 

[The1ApplePie]

I'm a Trojan fan, and the amount of Caleb Williams hype has gotten old, even for me. The same crap happened to Sam Darnold, he was the next Andrew Luck as a sophomore, then had a slump. Never lived up to the hype, a bust certainly, but not awful.

The whole class reeks of 2006, which maybe produced a single HoF in Nick Mangold. 2011 was seen as a down year, and has tons of future HoF players.

 

[The1ApplePie]

The problem is you were going to have to use ALOT to get into the top 3 next season because of Caleb Williams. Plus, I don't think the Texans are picking in the top 10 with Carter and Anderson. So, you would be giving up probably a 2025 1st and 2nd along with other capital. Bird in the hand.

Yeah. The logic of improving the team in the 2023 draft, then somehow still landing the No. 1 pick for Williams is truly mind-boggling.

 

[steelbtexan]

Do you really shake your head when you “here” him speak?

Yes

 

[steelbtexan]

NFL analysts, players defend C.J. Stroud against 'concerns' raised about his character (sportsnaut.com)
Seems like more opinion from you that isn't based on fact.

Of course they do. It's a fraternity or in DM's clients more like a mob

 

[steelbtexan]

You're quite right. You won't change my mind. Stroud's play on the field will make my mind up. I wasn't all in on Stroud. I do not like OSU QBs in the NFL.
If I were drafting a QB to put butts in seats, I would've drafted Richardson. The NFL has never seen his level of athleticism before. Not Newton, Not Vick, not Jackson. Never. That kind of innate athleticism puts butts in seats way more than a pocket passer who occasionally uses his legs and isn't great under pressure (few QBs are great under pressure).
I'm hoping that CJS can be a franchise, elite QB. I don't believe he is one right now. I don't believe any 2023 drafted QB is a franchise QB right now. They've gotta prove it on the field.
FWIW, I would've taken a flyer on Clayton Tune. System QB who ran the system like a maestro. Leader. Accurate. Mobile when he needs to be. Makes off-schedule plays. Full field reader. Has intangibles. Biggest knock I have on him is anticipation, which is a big knock and why I said I would take a flyer on him. I hope he does well in Arizona.

I know some here consider my dislike of Stroud as a person (Just like I disliked Derrick) racist. However I wanted Hooker to be the QB. I would've rather had Richardson over Stroud, because not only is he a much better athlete, he's a much better person as well.

 

[thunderkyss]

Schefter and Rapport ADMITTED they had no clue what the Texans were going to do. Caserio and Ryans said there were no leaks because they didn't tell anyone.

I did see someone “suggest” the Texans take Anderson at 1.2 then trade up for Stroud. So somebody knew

 

[steelbtexan]

Who would those people be exactly?

DM/Derrick/Vick etc...

 

[The1ApplePie]

I know some here consider my dislike of Stroud as a person (Just like I disliked Derrick) racist. However I wanted Hooker to be the QB. I would've rather had Richardson over Stroud, because not only is he a much better athlete, he's a much person.

I'm not one of them chief, I know that isn't your problem with him.

Now another poster, that is 100% the problem, but we can't mention NSZ stuff any more.

 

[thunderkyss]

You say this is your opinion but the way you’re acting as if it’s a fact. Did Cal tell you it was his decision because what he said was, “ he let the football guys make football decisions. ( paraphrasing)

Did you even listen to the presser?

Weren’t you paying attention? Some guy on 97.5 admitted it & his sidekick confirmed.

 

[steelbtexan]

You say this is your opinion but the way you’re acting as if it’s a fact. Did Cal tell you it was his decision because what he said was, “ he let the football guys make football decisions. ( paraphrasing)

Did you even listen to the presser?

I'm giving my opinion, you're taking it as fact.

I thought it and people in the media said they had heard the same thing. Why did I think what I thought? Because this is the same gameplan Bob McNair used to fill up the stadium when he chose Carr over Peppers. Like I said before the draft even started, history is repeating itself.

No I dont like to waste time listening to a guy tell me how smart he is. My experience is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

 

[sometexansfan]

DM/Derrick/Vick etc...

I imagine he's done business with his agent, I doubt he's ever hung out with Vick or Watson though.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

I did see someone “suggest” the Texans take Anderson at 1.2 then trade up for Stroud. So somebody knew

NO they didn't. That was the OBVIOUS trade. He was totally guessing. I think it was Rapport.

 

[Texazan]

I'm certainly not going to change your mind, but drafting Stroud will put butts in the seats, instead of drafting say 1-2 Anderson and trading up to 1-9 from 1-12 and drafting say, Carter and having the best 2 defensive guys in this draft on your team. Then drafting a QB in 2024 because you haven't burned through the Derrick draft picks like a drunken sailor. (I just used Carter as an example, so guys like JB dont say Carter is a turd and I would never draft him.)

Fact is everytime I here Stroud speak, I just shake my head. Did you know Day calls all of the audibles for the Ohio St. offense? I figure you do since you live in Ohio. Stroud has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb according to his test scores. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's a football savant like he claims to be. My experience in life is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he ain't that smart.

Come on now, I’ve seen you post a recent reply to Texian how much you liked Carter.

Carter is a turd, flat out POS, did you see the body cam? Two people were dead and he flat out lied to cover his ass. He couldn’t find the character to tell the truth. He never tried to see if he could help anyone, he just split. That’s low character. How does Carter know what’s just occurred (wreck with two dead, one a teammate) and just shrug his shoulders and lie? But here you are dogging Stroud for who he’s “hanging with”?

 

[DocBar]

I'm giving my opinion, you're taking it as fact.

I thought it and people in the media said they had heard the same thing. Why did I think what I thought? Because this is the same gameplan Bob McNair used to fill up the stadium when he chose Carr over Peppers. Like I said before the draft even started, history is repeating itself.

No I dont like to waste time listening to a guy tell me how smart he is. My experience is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

We shall all see. I'm not sold on CJS. I hope the best for him. I don't understand, at all, the character concerns you have about him. I wonder if his agent of choice (whom I despise) had a say in his S2 preparation.
I find it odd that the Texans get a profoundly more prepared "Carr" AND a potential Peppers in the 2023 draft and you still ***** about it. What do the Texans have to do to satisfy you, as a fan?
BTW, I can name many people who've said they are smarter than Einstein and have proven it. Proven it by experiment and by observation. CJS has proven he can throw the ball where it needs to go. Sure, he had talent around him. It takes talent around any QB to succeed. Would the '22 Houston Texans beat the "22 OSU Buckeyes head-to-head? Serious question.

 

[Texansballer74]

I'm giving my opinion, you're taking it as fact.

I thought it and people in the media said they had heard the same thing. Why did I think what I thought? Because this is the same gameplan Bob McNair used to fill up the stadium when he chose Carr over Peppers. Like I said before the draft even started, history is repeating itself.

No I dont like to waste time listening to a guy tell me how smart he is. My experience is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

Go back and read you own words.

 

[steelbtexan]

Come on now, I’ve seen you post a reply to Texian how much you liked Carter.

Carter is a turd, flat out POS, did you see the body cam? Two people were dead and he flat out lied to cover his ass. He couldn’t find the character to tell the truth. He never tried to see if he could help anyone, he just split. That’s low character. How does Carter know what’s occurred and just shrug his shoulders and lie? But here you are dogging Stroud for who he’s “hanging with”?

I can understand why Carter did what he did and BTW, the driver of the other car was responsible for her and the other guys death. No other person was responsible for those deaths but her. Hence Carter was charged with reckless driving/speeding and not manslaughter. Would Carter coming clean with LEO saved those people's lives?

 

[JB]

I can understand why Carter did what he did and BTW, the driver of the other car was responsible for her and the other guys death. No other person was responsible for those deaths but her. Hence Carter was charged with reckless driving/speeding and not manslaughter. Would Carter coming clean with LEO saved those people's lives?

What about his showing up for his pro day out of shape and unable to complete it?

 

[steelbtexan]

Go back and read you own words.

I reread the post and I think you're believing what you want to believe. Would you like me to start out each post with IMHO? I thought that was easy to understand and it seems like you're trying to frame my opinions in a certain way because you disagree with my opinion.

 

[steelbtexan]

What about his showing up for his pro day out of shape and unable to complete it?

If I was worrying about whether I was going to jail or not my performance would suffer. Look no further than Derrick as an example. I knew I should've used a diiferent player as an example because we would head down this rabbit hole. Sometimes I'm just a dumbazz kinda like another player we've been talking about.

 

[BattleRedBlud]

The agents job is to do what his client wants. After the hiring of Caserio and the private meeting he had with Cal. Watson demanded a trade. David honored his client wishes. So how is he the problem?

As a fan of the Houston Texans, my support is for the entire organization itself and not just the individual players. Mulughetas opinion and my own differ in that he believes the player to be the most important aspect of the team.


That in itself isn't a bad thing, where the player in concernd, and I can see whay a player would choose him as an agent. But from a team perspective, it doesn't make doing business easy.

And then there is Mulughetas stance on racism. I have nothing against standing up for what you believe in, but as a fan of the team, I want the players focused on playing and winning, not on things taking place off the field. Hard to focus on the game when your agent is so focused on racial injustices.



NFL agent calls for Texas donors to give up suites in 'Eyes of Texas' controversy (247sports.com)

Again, nothing wrong with that. And I understand that these battles need to be discussed and fought. However,......I want what is best for my team, and that is laser focus on the product on the field, not in possibly getting unintentionally (or intentionally) pulled in another direction by their Agent.

And then forced trade of Deshaun Watson and Jalen Ramsey. I understand that the player makes the demand and the Agent works to make it happen. BUT again, I am team first above individual player. Mulugheta coached these two on what to do and what to say in order to fulfill their wishes. Again, good for the player, but I don't want the team I follow to be getting undermined at every turn by a players agent. Mulugheta is a smart one, and those are the dangerous ones.

I also don't need to mention how the Mulugheta mob came out to attack Brady Quin for mentioning CJ strouds test scores. Something doesn't sit well with me concerning Mulugheta, and I think the longer he is employed by the good athletes, the more backhanded and devious things we may see.

All this said, Mulugheta is as GOOD an agent as a player can have, but that does not always equal good things for the team. And I am team first above else, so I would prefer to stay away from him as much as possible. I am not taking anything away from his clients. I will root for them (If they play for the Texans), but I would caution this franchise to deal with him as little as possible.

All this of course, is just my opinion, please take it as such.

 

[Texansballer74]

As a fan of the Houston Texans, my support is for the entire organization itself and not just the individual players. Mulughetas opinion and my own differ in that he believes the player to be the most important aspect of the team.
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That in itself isn't a bad thing, where the player in concernd, and I can see whay a player would choose him as an agent. But from a team perspective, it doesn't make doing business easy.

And then there is Mulughetas stance on racism. I have nothing against standing up for what you believe in, but as a fan of the team, I want the players focused on playing and winning, not on things taking place off the field. Hard to focus on the game when your agent is so focused on racial injustices.

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NFL agent calls for Texas donors to give up suites in 'Eyes of Texas' controversy (247sports.com)

Again, nothing wrong with that. And I understand that these battles need to be discussed and fought. However,......I want what is best for my team, and that is laser focus on the product on the field, not in possibly getting unintentionally (or intentionally) pulled in another direction by their Agent.

And then forced trade of Deshaun Watson and Jalen Ramsey. I understand that the player makes the demand and the Agent works to make it happen. BUT again, I am team first above individual player. Mulugheta coached these two on what to do and what to say in order to fulfill their wishes. Again, good for the player, but I don't want the team I follow to be getting undermined at every turn by a players agent. Mulugheta is a smart one, and those are the dangerous ones.

I also don't need to mention how the Mulugheta mob came out to attack Brady Quin for mentioning CJ strouds test scores. Something doesn't sit well with me concerning Mulugheta, and I think the longer he is employed by the good athletes, the more backhanded and devious things we may see.

All this said, Mulugheta is as GOOD an agent as a player can have, but that does not always equal good things for the team. And I am team first above else, so I would prefer to stay away from him as much as possible. I am not taking anything away from his clients. I will root for them (If they play for the Texans), but I would caution this franchise to deal with him as little as possible.

All this of course, is just my opinion, please take it as such.

They demanded to be traded. Both players won’t out of the situation they were in and forced it. Not the agent. Both were disgruntled and acted like some spoiled bleeps.

 

[paycheck71]

What I said was his rookie yr Mills was the 2nd best QB in his class. Last year he really didn't get a fair chance and I'm good with moving on from him but not for a QB in this class because while Stroud isn't a bad QB, he's not a championship level QB. Better to wait than be stuck in purgatory.

Are you saying Mills is a championship QB that didn't get a chance? I'm confused because you're contradicting yourself all over the place. I was pulling for Mills just as much as you, but last season clearly showed he's not it. Now I'm going to be pulling for CJ as much as I did for Mills, and like someone else said, if he finishes 32nd ranked, like Mills did, it's over.

And, for the record, leading up to the draft I was skeptical on Stroud, just because of the history of Ohio State QB's in the pros. And my wife is an Ohio State alum, and we go to at least one home game every year. But now I don't care, I'm going to pull for him and the Texans.

 

[michaelm]

So what is the appropriate response according to you?

Especially when it's clear as day that the young man makes bad choices in the people he hangs with?

Who does he hang with?

 

[paycheck71]

Who does he hang with?

Vick and Watson (according to steelb)

 

[steelbtexan]

Are you saying Mills is a championship QB that didn't get a chance? I'm confused because you're contradicting yourself all over the place. I was pulling for Mills just as much as you, but last season clearly showed he's not it. Now I'm going to be pulling for CJ as much as I did for Mills, and like someone else said, if he finishes 32nd ranked, like Mills did, it's over.

And, for the record, leading up to the draft I was skeptical on Stroud, just because of the history of Ohio State QB's in the pros. And my wife is an Ohio State alum, and we go to at least one home game every year. But now I don't care, I'm going to pull for him and the Texans.

Nope I wanted them to build out the team and draft a QB in 2024.

I'm rooting for him to succeed, but I'm going to give him the Mills treatment.

 

[Texansballer74]

Nope I wanted them to build out the team and draft a QB in 2024.

I'm rooting for him to succeed, but I'm going to give him the Mills treatment.

Dude they’re building the team the way they want to build it. They give 2 F’s about a fans way of building a team. In this draft alone they have addressed the holes on this team. Last season they’ve did the same thing.
And stop it with that nonsense, mostly everyone on this board was pulling for Mills. Only a select few was critical. Oh and you’re already given him the Watson treatment. You did the same exact thing when we draft Watson. Now you’re truly thinking people are stupid enough to think this is about how Mills was treated around here. Lmao too funny

 

[Speedy]

As a fan of the Houston Texans, my support is for the entire organization itself and not just the individual players. Mulughetas opinion and my own differ in that he believes the player to be the most important aspect of the team.
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That in itself isn't a bad thing, where the player in concernd, and I can see whay a player would choose him as an agent. But from a team perspective, it doesn't make doing business easy.

And then there is Mulughetas stance on racism. I have nothing against standing up for what you believe in, but as a fan of the team, I want the players focused on playing and winning, not on things taking place off the field. Hard to focus on the game when your agent is so focused on racial injustices.

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NFL agent calls for Texas donors to give up suites in 'Eyes of Texas' controversy (247sports.com)

Again, nothing wrong with that. And I understand that these battles need to be discussed and fought. However,......I want what is best for my team, and that is laser focus on the product on the field, not in possibly getting unintentionally (or intentionally) pulled in another direction by their Agent.

And then forced trade of Deshaun Watson and Jalen Ramsey. I understand that the player makes the demand and the Agent works to make it happen. BUT again, I am team first above individual player. Mulugheta coached these two on what to do and what to say in order to fulfill their wishes. Again, good for the player, but I don't want the team I follow to be getting undermined at every turn by a players agent. Mulugheta is a smart one, and those are the dangerous ones.

I also don't need to mention how the Mulugheta mob came out to attack Brady Quin for mentioning CJ strouds test scores. Something doesn't sit well with me concerning Mulugheta, and I think the longer he is employed by the good athletes, the more backhanded and devious things we may see.

All this said, Mulugheta is as GOOD an agent as a player can have, but that does not always equal good things for the team. And I am team first above else, so I would prefer to stay away from him as much as possible. I am not taking anything away from his clients. I will root for them (If they play for the Texans), but I would caution this franchise to deal with him as little as possible.

All this of course, is just my opinion, please take it as such.

I think it would be wise for the Texans to draft a QB in about 3 years or so. I was surprised they went with a high profile Mulugheta client so soon after getting burned, and if they weren't so screwed at the position or had they not messed around and won that last game, I don't think they wouldn't have, but they really don't have to deal with him for 4-5 years. I would at least have a plan for QB to fall back on just in case things do end up going south.

Mulugheta may be good for his clients but that doesn't mean he's good for the game, or that he's not scum. If you believe the story CND shared a while back about Watson and the demands he was making for Watson to stay, this guy is as racist as they come. We'll see what kind of effect he'll have on Stroud in a few years. Stroud is saying all the feel good things right now, but Watson did too. Even gave his 1st paycheck to cafeteria workers effected by Harvey and was crying like a woman watching a This Is Us marathon when he signed his big deal with us. So you never know what these guys are really thinking or how their thinking is influenced and changed over time.

 

[BattleRedBlud]

I think it would be wise for the Texans to draft a QB in about 3 years or so. I was surprised they went with a high profile Mulugheta client so soon after getting burned, and if they weren't so screwed at the position or had they not messed around and won that last game, I don't think they wouldn't have, but they really don't have to deal with him for 4-5 years. I would at least have a plan for QB to fall back on just in case things do end up going south.

Mulugheta may be good for his clients but that doesn't mean he's good for the game, or that he's not scum. If you believe the story CND shared a while back about Watson and the demands he was making for Watson to stay, this guy is as racist as they come. We'll see what kind of effect he'll have on Stroud in a few years. Stroud is saying all the feel good things right now, but Watson did too. Even gave his 1st paycheck to cafeteria workers effected by Harvey and was crying like a woman watching a This Is Us marathon when he signed his big deal with us. So you never know what these guys are really thinking or how their thinking is influenced and changed over time.

Precisely my point Speedy, I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this way.
First thing is first however - CJ Stroud has to be good enough and valuable enough to make demands in 3 to 4 years. If he is anything less than Elite, it won't be as hard to move on from him IF that time ever comes.
Second thing - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If this organization ever gets dumb enough to give all control to the player (for example the no-trade clause) of Mulugheta then they deserve everything coming their way.

I will close in saying, I don't believe the Texans should shy away from Players first and Mullugheta, but they need to air on the side of caution any time in dealing with that group.

 

[steelbtexan]

Dude they’re building the team the way they want to build it. They give 2 F’s about a fans way of building a team. In this draft alone they have addressed the holes on this team. Last season they’ve did the same thing.
And stop it with that nonsense, mostly everyone on this board was pulling for Mills. Only a select few was critical. Oh and you’re already given him the Watson treatment. You did the same exact thing when we draft Watson. Now you’re truly thinking people are stupid enough to think this is about how Mills was treated around here. Lmao too funny

Funny that you used the word stupid.

Like I said I will root for him.

But he's getting the Mills treatment, whether you like it or not and it was more than just a few.
. I realize for the last 2 decades the McNair's don't care what the fans think as long as they keep cashing those checks. Are you just now coming to this realization?

For some reason you seem really butthurt. Seems like nobody learned anything from the Derrick fiasco.

 

[Texansballer74]

So what is the appropriate response according to you?

Especially when it's clear as day that the young man makes bad choices in the people he hangs with?

How the F does he make bad choices? Good grief Steel you’re dead wrong for this crap . And you won why you’re being viewed as you know what.

 

[michaelm]

Never mind. Don't have the energy to argue with lies today.

 

[steelbtexan]

How the F does he make bad choices? Good grief Steel you’re dead wrong for this crap . And you won why you’re being viewed as you know what.

DM is representing him, that means Stroud is all about getting paid and less about winning championships. His idols don't bother you?

I won what? I'm just giving my opinions. I will ask you again what you want my response to be?

 

[corry]

Hey why wasn’t we talking about this S2 stuff last year or the year before again?

Because there wasn't a QB prospect worth dumping down the draft apparently.

Pretty telling that people were trying to get the Texans to over think this.

 

[corry]

DM is representing him, that means Stroud is all about getting paid and less about winning championships. His idols don't bother you?

I won what? I'm just giving my opinions. I will ask you again what you want my response to be?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590412456911785984

You are blatantly ignorant. Or just lazy.

Oh, by the way... this guy doesn't care about winning.

 

[steelbtexan]

Because there wasn't a QB prospect worth dumping down the draft apparently.

Pretty telling that people were trying to get the Texans to over think this.

Hey why wasn’t we talking about this S2 stuff last year or the year before again?

Very simple answer, we didn't know the S-2 test existed last year. I'm a believer in people who don't do well on this test don't perform well in the NFL. There's 5 years of data to support my position. BTW, scoring high on the test doesn't insure success in the NFL.

 

[steelbtexan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590412456911785984

You are blatantly ignorant. Or just lazy.

Oh, by the way... this guy doesn't care about winning.

Attack the post not the poster. There's a certain mod out there that would ban me if I made this post. With that said, apparently you have a reading comprehension issue, again, what I said was his choice of agent tells you he's more about getting paid rather than winning championships. Go back and look at DM and his client list history.

 

[Texansballer74]

Very simple answer, we didn't know the S-2 test existed last year. I'm a believer in people who don't do well on this test don't perform well in the NFL. There's 5 years of data to support my position. BTW, scoring high on the test doesn't insure success in the NFL.

Exactly so let’s not use it now because it’s really an unfinished product. Half of the darn NFL teams doesn’t employ this and the Texans are one of them.

 

[corry]

Very simple answer, we didn't know the S-2 test existed last year. I'm a believer in people who don't do well on this test don't perform well in the NFL. There's 5 years of data to support my position. BTW, scoring high on the test doesn't insure success in the NFL.

5 years isn't a real sample size.

Who were the QB's drafted in the last 5 years in the top 10?

Lawrence
Murray
Daniel Jones(Late riser)
Zach Wilson(Late riser)
Joe Burrow
Tua
Herbert
Fields
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Trey Lance(Late Riser)
Anthony Richardson

We are in what we call unseen waters with Stroud. Basing an opinion off small sample size is just being uninformed.

 

[corry]

Attack the post not the poster. There's a certain mod out there that would ban me if I made this post. With that said, apparently you have a reading comprehension issue, again, what I said was his choice of agent tells you he's more about getting paid rather than winning championships. Go back and look at DM and his client list history.

No reading comprehension issue here. You are making a claim about a player without any factual information just because its part of your narrative. Clown comment. Sorry.

 

[steelbtexan]

Never mind. Don't have the energy to argue with lies today.

Opinions are lies?

Maybe you should remember back to the Derrick fiasco to be able to get where I'm coming from. I guess you're all on board with DM holding the Texans hostage in 3 years like he did with Derrick? A contract negotiated by DM and signed by one of his clients isn't worth the paper I wiped my butt with this morning. That speaks to the character of DM and his clients. Cal will get what he deserves in 3 years, not that he cares because butts will be back in the seats and that's all he cares about and in this regard Cal and DM have a lot in common.

Like I've said before I would draft a DM client only if I thought he was a generational prospect and Stroud ain't that guy.

 

[steelbtexan]

5 years isn't a real sample size.

Who were the QB's drafted in the last 5 years in the top 10?

Lawrence
Murray
Daniel Jones(Late riser)
Zach Wilson(Late riser)
Joe Burrow
Tua
Herbert
Fields
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Trey Lance(Late Riser)
Anthony Richardson

We are in what we call unseen waters with Stroud. Basing an opinion off small sample size is just being uninformed.

We've seen these waters before with guys who didn't test well before the S-2. The list of busts is much longer than the list of low wunderlich guys that had success. Of course there are outliers in every test.

5 years is a lot of data. IMHO, How many years would it take for you to see a trend?

 

[steelbtexan]

No reading comprehension issue here. You are making a claim about a player without any factual information just because its part of your narrative. Clown comment. Sorry.

His choice of an agent is a fact as is the past Derrick fiasco and the agents role in that fiasco. Bottom line is sleep with dogs and you can expect to get fleas on you. Sad thing is Cal chose to get fleas on him again.

 

[corry]

We've seen these waters before with guys who didn't test well before the S-2. The list of busts is much longer than the list of low wunderlich guys that had success. Of course there are outliers in every test.

5 years is a lot of data. IMHO, How many years would it take for you to see a trend?

5 years is arbitrary when it comes to TOP 10 Talent.

Do you not understand how data works? You take into account what the variables are and then group accordingly.

You are making career assumptions based on 12 QB's... Multiple of which were not even projected to be first round until late.

How many of those guys were actually real Heisman Candidates and not projections?

Trevor Lawrence
Justin Fields
Kyler Murray
Bryce Young
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Tua

I can groom this down more and more if we need to.

Small sample size is small sample size.

 

[steelbtexan]

Exactly so let’s not use it now because it’s really an unfinished product. Half of the darn NFL teams doesn’t employ this and the Texans are one of them.

The S-2 is only marketed to half of the NFL by design. How many more years will it take before you consider this test to be a valid predictor of a QB success?

 

[rmartin65]

I thought you didn't care too much about character, @steelbtexan ?

There's a difference about whether I would be happy with DGB at 16 and whether I would actually draft DGB at 16.

I put that mock out there as a point of discussion which it helped cause. In that mock I tried to select the most talented player at each pick without character concerns.

The McNair's are very successful owners. Their on the field product success has been sporadic at best. Why is this and do you think it might be time to change the model? Hopefully with the hiring of BOB/Gaine the model will change. But hopefully Cal McNair/Smith aren't still pulling the strings when it comes to player personnel behind closed doors.

All of these guys were in trouble with their college teams/suspended/LEO.

They were off the Texans draft board, hence the Texans are at a competitive dis advantage., sat what you want but the facts are the teams like the Seahawks/49ers/Ravens etc... were where the Texans were in 2008 and they are where they are now. Where are the Texans?

Sunday School is open, I cant wait to see Garappolo in action.

Exhibit A rookies, Terrell Davis/Portis/Mike Anderson if you want ZBS guys. Point is that Blue is a good backup/3rd down type RB. Certainly not a starting NFL type RB. What would it hurt to bring in Rice to camp for a look see? (Maybe he could help, maybe not) Just another example the Texans not doing everything they can to put the best product on the field as possible.

Polk is the only above avg RB on the roster and with his health history I give him 3-4 games before his hamstring goes out or he hurts his chronically bad shoulder.

I do believe the Texans will pickup a RB by WW or trade late in camp. The situation is pretty desperate.

 

[rmartin65]

Let's not forget about this one-

Didn't for the 90's Cowboys. Tell me more about Ray Lewis Ravens. The Seahawks were Marshawn Lynch's straight out of Compton's team. It's all on the HC to keep his criminals in line. Re: Belichick/Hernandez.

Carry on

 

[rmartin65]

And, actually, this whole thread is good

My favorite @steelbtexan quote:

Newton/Irvin/Tuenei(SP)/Williams were all chior boys on those Cowboy teams.

They also were SB champions.

Ravens this yrs SB champs

Lewis/Suggs/Jimmy Smith/McKinnie etc.... were all role models... to win a SB you have to have a mixture of chiorboys that can play and badboys too. But they all have to be able to shine the brightest when the stakes are at the highest, This is what the Texans are missing and it starts at the top with Rick/Gary/Wade and the players follow their lead of not being at their best when the playoffs/SB are on the line.