HoustonTexans.com 2015 Mock Draft Survey

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Mock Draft 2.0: Corner Market?

The Combine is next week, so it's the perfect time to update the Mock Draft Survey.

Several writers have updated their 2015 Mocks, and a few others submitted their first of the winter.

Cornerback was the most popular projection with six of the 27 analysts choosing that spot. In Mock Draft Survey, 1.0, defensive line was the most popular position picked. Michigan State corner Trae Waynes was the most selected player, with four analysts pegging the Spartan to Houston with the 16th overall pick.

Pick breakdown (27 mocks)
CB: 6 (22%)
OT: 5 (19%)
LB: 4 (15%)
DL: 3 (11%)
TE: 3 (11%)
WR: 2 (7%)
RB: 2 (7%)
S: 2 (7%)

Website (Writer)	        Pick	                Latest Mock	        Last Mock
ESPN.com (Mel Kiper)	        OL Ereck Flowers, Miami (FL)	Feb. 11	1/15: CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State
ESPN.com (Todd McShay)	        OL Andrus Peat, Stanford	Feb. 5	12/17: WR Devante Parker, Louisville
NFL.com (Daniel Jeremiah)	OT Andrus Peat, Stanford	Jan. 14	N/A
NFL.com (Bucky Brooks)	        WR Devante Parker, Louisville	Jan. 19	N/A
NFL.com (Brian Baldinger)	N/A		
NFL.com (Charles Davis)	        RB Todd Gurley, Georgia	Feb. 10	N/A
NFL.com (Matt Smith)	        N/A		
NFL.com (Chase Goodbread)	N/A		
NFL.com (Mike Huguenin)		N/A		
NFL.com (Lance Zierlein)	LB Bud Dupree, Kentucky	Feb. 5	N/A
SportsIllustrated (Chris Burke)	LB Vic Beasley, Clemson	Feb. 5	1/14: TE Maxx Williams, Minnesota
CBSSports.com (Rob Rang)	S Landon Collins, Alabama	Feb. 9	1/20: DT Danny Shelton, Washington
CBSSports.com (Dane Brugler)	CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State	Feb. 9	1/20: CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State
CBSSports.com (Pete Prisco)	N/A		
CBSSports.com (Pat Kirwan)	LB Shaq Thompson, Washington	Feb. 11	N/A
CBSSports.com (Will Brinson)	N/A		
SportsIllustrated (Doug Farrar)	N/A		
SportsIllustrated (Don Banks)	N/A		
Bleacher Report (Matt Miller)	CB Marcus Peters, Washington	Dec. 30	N/A
Josh Norris(Rotoworld/NBCSports)C Cameron Erving, Florida State	Feb. 2	
Yahoo! Sports (Eric Edholm)	WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma	Dec. 4	N/A
FOXSports.com (Peter Schrager)	DT Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma	Feb. 9	1/21: DT Danny Shelton, Washington
Bleacher Report (Tyler Conway)	TE Maxx Wlliams, Minnesota	Jan. 16	N/A
Optimum Scouting (Eric Galko)	TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Jan. 27	1/5: DT Eddie Goldman, Florida State
Bleacher Report (Tim Daniels)	OL La'El Collins, LSU Feb. 4	1/21: QB Brett Hundley, UCLA
Bleacher Report (Donald Wood)	TE Max Williams, Minnesota Feb. 11	12/30: OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M
Bleacher Report(Matt Fitzgerald)CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jan. 17	N/A
Bleacher Report (R. Cory Smith)	SS Landon Collins, Alabama	Feb. 7	1/8: SS Landon Collins, Alabama
Bleacher Report (Tim Keeney)	CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State	Feb. 8	12/31: CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State
NFL Spin Zone (Ben Carter)	DT Danny Shelton, Washington	Jan. 22	1/22: DT Danny Shelton, Washington
OurLads.com	                CB Ladarius Gunter, Miami, FL Feb. 10	N/A
WalterFootball.com	        RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Feb. 11	1/21: RB Todd Gurley, Georgia
SB Nation (Dan Kadar)	        LB Shaq Thompson, Washington Feb. 9	1/19: LB Eric Kendricks, UCLA
DraftCountdown.com(Scott Wright)CB Trae Waynes, Michigan State	Jan. 30	N/A
DraftTek.com                    DT Malcom Brown, Texas	Feb. 11	1/22: DT Danny Shelton, Washington
Chron.com (John McClain)	N/A

 

[badboy]

I am more excited by those thinking Danny Shelton and Devante Parker will be there. Yay!

 

[nero THE zero]

I'm fascinated by Shaq Thompson. What is he? LB? S? RB?

 

[Playoffs]

I'm fascinated by Shaq Thompson. What is he? LB? S? RB?

He sees himself as an OLB, strong side.

I think I read he does not want to workout with RBs at Combine.

 

[IDEXAN]

Yahoo! Sports (Eric Edholm) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
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That pick by the Texans with their #16 would totally shock me.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yahoo! Sports (Eric Edholm) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
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That pick by the Texans with their #16 would totally shock me.

I would be shocked too. But very happy, DGB would add the thing this team is badly lacking, a true speed deep threat. Not gonna happen with the McNair's running things. DGB isn't McNair worthy.

 

[infantrycak]

I would be shocked too. But very happy, DGB would add the thing this team is badly lacking, a true speed deep threat. Not gonna happen with the McNair's running things. DGB isn't McNair worthy.

Deja vu to the Da'Rick Rogers campaign around here.

 

[htownfan32]

Deja vu to the Da'Rick Rogers campaign around here.

Bingo. Unless DGB interviews really well at the combine and shows teams something they didn't expect, he'll fall to the 2nd or 3rd round just like Da'Rick Rogers.

DGB is a more impressive physical specimen than Rogers, though. 6'5-6'6 burners don't grow on trees.

 

[steelbtexan]

Deja vu to the Da'Rick Rogers campaign around here.

Exactly

It's not going to happen. The Texans org values character more than talent.

The Texans are my definition of what a corporate team looks like.

 

[infantrycak]

Exactly

It's not going to happen. The Texans org values character more than talent.

The Texans are my definition of what a corporate team looks like.

Wouldn't be too happy with that "exactly" comparison from your POV. The entire NFL agreed with the Texans on Rodgers (guess all 32 are corporate - whatever kind of whack insult that's supposed to be) while folks around here were giving the same pitch as DGB about taking him late 1st or 2nd...and he has been a gigantic nothing in the NFL.

 

[steelbtexan]

Wouldn't be too happy with that "exactly" comparison from your POV. The entire NFL agreed with the Texans on Rodgers (guess all 32 are corporate - whatever kind of whack insult that's supposed to be) while folks around here were giving the same pitch as DGB about taking him late 1st or 2nd...and he has been a gigantic nothing in the NFL.

Exactly means I totally agree with you.

Coroprate team means they put image ahead of talent.

I seem to recall Rodgers doing well when Wayne went down against our very own Texans. Didn't Rodgers catch a TD in that playoff comeback win against the Chiefs?

Then he DUI'ed himself out of the league. But the Texans arch rival Colts did get a couple of good yrs out of an UDFA. (Rodgers.) When your arch rival is able to get a leg up on you talentwise by signing guys like Rodgers/D'Qwell Jackson/Vontae Davis etc... because the Texans owner doesn't considers guys like this Texans worthy it puts the player personnel people at disadvantage.

 

[infantrycak]

But the Texans arch rival Colts did get a couple of good yrs out of an UDFA. (Rodgers.) When your arch rival is able to get a leg up on you talentwise by signing guys like Rodgers/D'Qwell Jackson/Vontae Davis etc... because the Texans owner doesn't considers guys like this Texans worthy it puts the player personnel people at disadvantage.

They got 192 yds, 2 TDs regular season and 46 yds 0 TDs postseason out of him in 2013. It essentially all came in 1 game (107 yds, 2 TDs) against Cincy which Indy lost.

You want to explain the competitive disadvantage thing again?

Why are you bringing up D'Qwell Jackson and Vontae Davis? Neither had character issues.

 

[steelbtexan]

They got 192 yds, 2 TDs regular season and 46 yds 0 TDs postseason out of him in 2013. It essentially all came in 1 game (107 yds, 2 TDs) against Cincy which Indy lost.

You want to explain the competitive disadvantage thing again?

Why are you bringing up D'Qwell Jackson and Vontae Davis? Neither had character issues.

Vontae Davis had a well known rep for being a head case.

Jackson punched a pizza delivery guy over a parking spot.

Bradshaw, Pot and assault coming out of Marshall IIRC.

Lets just agree to disagree that the Texans weren't built properly and the only reason for those 2 division championships were 1. Manning was hurt, 2. Luck was a rookie.

 

[bah007]

Davis didn't have a rep. The rep was put on him because of the rep that his brother had.

This bad boy stuff is ridiculous. Character is important, if for anything else just because the team won't have to worry about you off the field. Where are all these head cases out there that are elite players leading their team to championships?

I generally don't disagree with most of what you have to say but this topic is just bizarre. The way you go about it so consistently. Where are all the success stories that back up your argument? Nearly every top player in the league is a guy that went through this process with no character concerns.

 

[steelbtexan]

Davis didn't have a rep. The rep was put on him because of the rep that his brother had.

This bad boy stuff is ridiculous. Character is important, if for anything else just because the team won't have to worry about you off the field. Where are all these head cases out there that are elite players leading their team to championships?

I don't want a team of head cases.

But a couple wont destroy a team.

 

[bah007]

I don't want a team of head cases.

But a couple wont destroy a team.

Again, I don't disagree with that statement. But you don't come off that way in most of these threads. You back these guys so hard that you come across as an advocate. It almost seems that if two players were equal you would want the one with the worse rep, as if that gives him some kind of advantage.

I'm not saying that that is your stance, but that's the way it comes across because you bring it up so consistently.

I also tend to think that a couple of head cases have a higher probability of destroying a team than they do of making it elite.

 

[steelbtexan]

Again, I don't disagree with that statement. But you don't come off that way in most of these threads. You back these guys so hard that you come across as an advocate. It almost seems that if two players were equal you would want the one with the worse rep, as if that gives him some kind of advantage.

I'm not saying that that is your stance, but that's the way it comes across because you bring it up so consistently.

I also tend to think that a couple of head cases have a higher probability of destroying a team than they do of making it elite.

Sorry I don't mean to come across that way. I want a team built like the 90's Cowboys teams, where talent trumps all. If 2 athletes are about equal then character wins out.

I personally wouldn't draft a head case before the 3rd rd. (Jimmy Johnson drafting Cecil Collins with the Dolphins and Eric Williams with the Cowboys.) Rds. 5-7 are made for talented but troubled players. IMHO

My question for you is if the Texans don't draft the most talented players are they truly trying to put the best product on the field possible?

How do you think the McNair's feel about this philosophy? Are they about marketing or putting the best team on the field possible? Or is the answer somewhere in between?

 

[infantrycak]

Rds. 5-7 are made for talented but troubled players. IMHO

I agree with this statement but you extend it out and try to use folks like Lynch a 1st rounder as an example. Or advocate for Rogers or this latest guy as if they shouldn't fall at all (or only down to where the Texans are still in the 1st at 16 or 27). All while slamming the Texans for playing Mr. Clean when clearly they have not.

I'd love to see more late round flyers 5-7 as you say when people drop. Up top damn right the Texans should be concerned about issues which may bust players out.

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree with this statement but you extend it out and try to use folks like Lynch a 1st rounder as an example. Or advocate for Rogers or this latest guy as if they shouldn't fall at all (or only down to where the Texans are still in the 1st at 16 or 27). All while slamming the Texans for playing Mr. Clean when clearly they have not.

I'd love to see more late round flyers 5-7 as you say when people drop. Up top damn right the Texans should be concerned about issues which may bust players out.

Well I've been misunderstood then. I would draft Green-Beckham in the 3rd if available. He's a special talent and exactly what the Texans need to open up their offense/red zone weapon.

The Seahawks gave up a 4th for Lynch. IIRC

We will have to disagree about the Mr.Clean image. It's very important to the McNair's corporate image.

 

[infantrycak]

If the guy is available in the 3rd given what I know I would take him too.

Would you have not taken Cushing in the 1st?

We've had this discussion many times. I don't mind taking a value flyer as you quasi say 3rd or below.

 

[JB]

If the guy is available in the 3rd given what I know I would take him too.

Would you have not taken Cushing in the 1st?

We've had this discussion many times. I don't mind taking a value flyer as you quasi say 3rd or below.

It's hard to quantify something like that into a simple yes or no. 1st round talent falling to the 3rd... have you done your homework on him? Do 31 other teams know something you don't?

 

[infantrycak]

It's hard to quantify something like that into a simple yes or no. 1st round talent falling to the 3rd... have you done your homework on him? Do 31 other teams know something you don't?

I agree. It will always be a gamble. The point is getting to where the value overwhelms.

In steelb's and badboy's defense, I didn't think Rogers would fall entirely out of the draft.

But I wouldn't be here beotching if the Texans had taken him in the 4th and he failed as he has. They overlook we took a WR special teamer in the 4th with a checkered past.

It's the no matter what the Texans do it's wrong that pisses me off.

 

[JB]

I agree. It will always be a gamble. The point is getting to where the value overwhelms.

In steelb's and badboy's defense, I didn't think Rogers would fall entirely out of the draft.

But I wouldn't be here beotching if the Texans had taken him in the 4th and he failed as he has.

It's the no matter what the Texans do it's wrong that pisses me off.

Yeah it gets old. I was just saying without knowing all the circumstances it's hard to say what you would do. Maybe someone else also fell you really want there. Maybe the guy totally blew the interview. Maybe the coach just don't like his demeanor. Easy for us to nitpick after the fact, can't be easy when on the clock and making decisions

 

[steelbtexan]

If the guy is available in the 3rd given what I know I would take him too.

Would you have not taken Cushing in the 1st?

We've had this discussion many times. I don't mind taking a value flyer as you quasi say 3rd or below.

I said I would've taken Matthews at the time.

I was actually hoping after Cushing was picked they would trade back into the 1st and take Matthews.

They chose to wait and take Barwin in the 2nd and the rest is history.

 

[JB]

I said I would've taken Matthews at the time.

I was actually hoping after Cushing was picked they would trade back into the 1st and take Matthews.

They chose to wait and take Barwin in the 2nd and the rest is history.

yeah I wanted Matthews also, but wasn't upset with the Cushing pick. I was upset with the Barwin pick. IIRC, I wanted either William Moore or Paul Kruger

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree. It will always be a gamble. The point is getting to where the value overwhelms.

In steelb's and badboy's defense, I didn't think Rogers would fall entirely out of the draft.

But I wouldn't be here beotching if the Texans had taken him in the 4th and he failed as he has. They overlook we took a WR special teamer in the 4th with a checkered past.

It's the no matter what the Texans do it's wrong that pisses me off.

3 bad drafts in a row and being cap strapped so they cant be players in FA and a GM who back stabs a good man who helped him get his job in the 1st place in the back. So that the GM who by insider accounts was a huge part of the issues within the org gets to keep his job pisses me off. (Not saying Kubiak was a great HC, but Smith did him no favors.)

I will try to tone down my reactions to what I see as problems within the org. However if I think they have a crappy FA period while teams like the Broncos/Pats are making moves I will point it out. Same if they have another Williams/Montgomery type draft.

I actually like last yrs draft and think it still has promise. I liked the BOB hire, I love the job Brian Gaine did last yr and hope he has more responsibility in FA/Draft. So don't think that I think everything the Texans do is crap. Because that isn't true.

 

[steelbtexan]

It's hard to quantify something like that into a simple yes or no. 1st round talent falling to the 3rd... have you done your homework on him? Do 31 other teams know something you don't?

You take the talent and worry about the other stuff later.

Talent should trump all. IMHO if you're trying to put the best product on the field as possible.

 

[JB]

You take the talent and worry about the other stuff later.

Talent should trump all. IMHO if you're trying to put the best product on the field as possible.

it's a new NFL. Doesn't matter how talented on the field if they can't see it

 

[infantrycak]

3 bad drafts in a row and being cap strapped so they cant be players in FA and a GM who back stabs a good man who helped him get his job in the 1st place in the back. So that the GM who by insider accounts was a huge part of the issues within the org gets to keep his job pisses me off. (Not saying Kubiak was a great HC, but Smith did him no favors.)

I will try to tone down my reactions to what I see as problems within the org. However if I think they have a crappy FA period while teams like the Broncos/Pats are making moves I will point it out. Same if they have another Williams/Montgomery type draft.

I actually like last yrs draft and think it still has promise. I liked the BOB hire, I love the job Brian Gaine did last yr and hope he has more responsibility in FA/Draft. So don't think that I think everything the Texans do is crap. Because that isn't true.

Purely me, not an instruction (I say that for bystanders not you), keep it coming with those you may think drop. Rail on picks if you don't like them. Whatever. I will chip away at "extreme expression" sometimes but I know you care and get passionate. Everyone learns from each other.

As bah said (I think) a lot of the time it isn't so much the point as the length you go to assert it. To each his own and I'm a heel nipper on extremism.

 

[JB]

I'm a heel nipper

sounds kinky...

I know you care and get passionate. Everyone learns from each other.

Well said

 

[Fred]

Yahoo! Sports (Eric Edholm) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
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That pick by the Texans with their #16 would totally shock me.

I would be shocked too. But very happy, DGB would add the thing this team is badly lacking, a true speed deep threat. Not gonna happen with the McNair's running things. DGB isn't McNair worthy.

Well I've been misunderstood then. I would draft Green-Beckham in the 3rd if available. He's a special talent and exactly what the Texans need to open up their offense/red zone weapon.

If you've been misunderstood it is probably because people have been reading your posts.

In this very thread you posted you would be "very happy" if the Texans drafted Green-Beckham at 16 in the first round, and now 12 hours later, you are claiming that you wouldn't draft any head cases (even naming DGB) until the 3rd round.

Your entire posting history (until this last one) is based on "the Texans suck because McNair doesn't draft / sign every single dirtbag that is available" meme. Come on man!!!! Don't change now!!! Start bitching about that McNair probably won't be going after free agents Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Aaron Hernadez, O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, and JaMarcus Russell.

 

[beerlover]

This is supposed to be a survey right? Apparent to me regardless draft class there was a disconnect within the organization, then deterioration of direction/orders, trickling down to coaching staff then players reaching end result of 2-14. O'Brian, first year NFL Head Football coaching gig, had to learn some hard lessons, like dealing with identifying replacement QB's, inept medical conclusions galore including 1st overall pick for crying out loud, yet still managed to keep attention of his players, be competitive & now tweaking his coaching staff for even better results. I feel the players drafted will now have a much better chance to justify their selections.

Moving forward addressing key clog in middle of defense then adding skill players on the offense will reap great rewards & all are doable this time around building on a solid year of work. Signing Mallet to a short term, incentive laden offer sheet that can easily be converted into a lucrative long term contract a critical first step in free agency along with resigning KJ before he ever hits the market.

AS a draft picker I feel confident taking best player available any position #16. After that it gets fuzzier, less structured & new information surfaces about players who look like pro players off the grid of big time College Football, those diamonds in the rough. Information, analysis & thoroughly understanding direction of Texans key. This is why every teams big boards vary so truth be told there is no blanket bpa for every draft slot only bpa for every team when they select. This is the fun part, to really know your team & player who is best fit.

 

[thunderkyss]

I personally wouldn't draft a head case before the 3rd rd. (Jimmy Johnson drafting Cecil Collins with the Dolphins and Eric Williams with the Cowboys.) Rds. 5-7 are made for talented but troubled players. IMHO

My question for you is if the Texans don't draft the most talented players are they truly trying to put the best product on the field possible?

I can understand that. You're saying guys drafted below the third round normally don't set themselves apart talent wise, however sometimes talented individuals fall this far because of character issues. In this case, we should take the more talented player.

Makes sense.

 

[thunderkyss]

3 bad drafts in a row...

I keep seeing this. Obviously "bad drafts" mean different things to different people, but just looking at those drafts....

2012
Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, & Jared Crick... no play makers, but I think three solid players. All starters in 2014.

2013
DeAndre Hopkins, Dj Swearinger, Chris Jones, & Ryan Griffin... Three starters (though one isn't playing for our team) & I think the best TE on our roster.

2014
Clowney, Nix, XSF, Pagan, & Blue.... damn good prospects imo. Didn't contribute a lot in 2014, I understand that. But from the guy making those picks perspective, I wouldn't say it was a bad draft, even in hindsight, looking long term. & I'd throw Savage in there as a damn good prospect as well.

 

[Marshall]

Yahoo! Sports (Eric Edholm) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
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That pick by the Texans with their #16 would totally shock me.

16 players who will be picked before we pick Green-Beckham:

1. Jameis Winston - QB
2. Shane Ray - DE/OLB
3. Brandon Sherff - OT/OG
4. Leonard Williams - DT/DE
5. Marcus Mariota - QB
6. Dante Fowler - OLB/DE
7. La'el Collins - OT/OG
8. Amari Cooper - WR
9. Andrus Peat - OT
10. Danny Shelton - DT
11. Kevin White - WR
12. T J Clemming - OT
13. Vic Beasely - OLB
14. Alvin (Bud) Dupree - DE/OLB
15. Landon Collins - SS
16. Shaq Thompson - OLB/ILB/S

17. Malcom Brown - DT
18. DeVante Parker - WR
19. Melvin Gordon - RB
20. Eddie Goldman - DT
21. Trae Waynes - CB
22. Todd Gurley - WR
23. Ereck Flowers - OT
24. Jordan Phillips - DT
25. Bernardick McKinney - ILB
26. Jaelon Strong - WR
27. P J Williams - CB
28. Devin Funchess - WR/TE
29. Arick Armstead - DE
30. Cameron Erving - OT/OG
31. Carl Davis - DT/DE
32. A J Cann - OG

That's twice as many and I could probably find another 16 before we would consider Green-Beckham. But if he's still there at 2-19 (pick 51), then we might take a flyer on him.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you've been misunderstood it is probably because people have been reading your posts.

In this very thread you posted you would be "very happy" if the Texans drafted Green-Beckham at 16 in the first round, and now 12 hours later, you are claiming that you wouldn't draft any head cases (even naming DGB) until the 3rd round.

Your entire posting history (until this last one) is based on "the Texans suck because McNair doesn't draft / sign every single dirtbag that is available" meme. Come on man!!!! Don't change now!!! Start bitching about that McNair probably won't be going after free agents Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Aaron Hernadez, O.J. Simpson, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, and JaMarcus Russell.

There's a difference about whether I would be happy with DGB at 16 and whether I would actually draft DGB at 16.

I put that mock out there as a point of discussion which it helped cause. In that mock I tried to select the most talented player at each pick without character concerns.

The McNair's are very successful owners. Their on the field product success has been sporadic at best. Why is this and do you think it might be time to change the model? Hopefully with the hiring of BOB/Gaine the model will change. But hopefully Cal McNair/Smith aren't still pulling the strings when it comes to player personnel behind closed doors.

 

[steelbtexan]

This is supposed to be a survey right? Apparent to me regardless draft class there was a disconnect within the organization, then deterioration of direction/orders, trickling down to coaching staff then players reaching end result of 2-14. O'Brian, first year NFL Head Football coaching gig, had to learn some hard lessons, like dealing with identifying replacement QB's, inept medical conclusions galore including 1st overall pick for crying out loud, yet still managed to keep attention of his players, be competitive & now tweaking his coaching staff for even better results. I feel the players drafted will now have a much better chance to justify their selections.

Moving forward addressing key clog in middle of defense then adding skill players on the offense will reap great rewards & all are doable this time around building on a solid year of work. Signing Mallet to a short term, incentive laden offer sheet that can easily be converted into a lucrative long term contract a critical first step in free agency along with resigning KJ before he ever hits the market.

AS a draft picker I feel confident taking best player available any position #16. After that it gets fuzzier, less structured & new information surfaces about players who look like pro players off the grid of big time College Football, those diamonds in the rough. Information, analysis & thoroughly understanding direction of Texans key. This is why every teams big boards vary so truth be told there is no blanket bpa for every draft slot only bpa for every team when they select. This is the fun part, to really know your team & player who is best fit.

Hopefully you're right. If BOB/Gaine have the juice in the war room the team will be OK. If Cal/Smith are involved then you can expext more of the same.

BPA= talent should trump all.

 

[steelbtexan]

I keep seeing this. Obviously "bad drafts" mean different things to different people, but just looking at those drafts....

2012
Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, & Jared Crick... no play makers, but I think three solid players. All starters in 2014.

2013
DeAndre Hopkins, Dj Swearinger, Chris Jones, & Ryan Griffin... Three starters (though one isn't playing for our team) & I think the best TE on our roster.

2014
Clowney, Nix, XSF, Pagan, & Blue.... damn good prospects imo. Didn't contribute a lot in 2014, I understand that. But from the guy making those picks perspective, I wouldn't say it was a bad draft, even in hindsight, looking long term. & I'd throw Savage in there as a damn good prospect as well.

Those type of drafts will get a team to 9-7, 7-9 type team and on a perpetual treadmill. Especially when you don't have the $$$$ to add to the team in FA.

 

[steelbtexan]

16 players who will be picked before we pick Green-Beckham:

1. Jameis Winston - QB
2. Shane Ray - DE/OLB
3. Brandon Sherff - OT/OG
4. Leonard Williams - DT/DE
5. Marcus Mariota - QB
6. Dante Fowler - OLB/DE
7. La'el Collins - OT/OG
8. Amari Cooper - WR
9. Andrus Peat - OT
10. Danny Shelton - DT
11. Kevin White - WR
12. T J Clemming - OT
13. Vic Beasely - OLB
14. Alvin (Bud) Dupree - DE/OLB
15. Landon Collins - SS
16. Shaq Thompson - OLB/ILB/S

17. Malcom Brown - DT
18. DeVante Parker - WR
19. Melvin Gordon - RB
20. Eddie Goldman - DT
21. Trae Waynes - CB
22. Todd Gurley - WR
23. Ereck Flowers - OT
24. Jordan Phillips - DT
25. Bernardick McKinney - ILB
26. Jaelon Strong - WR
27. P J Williams - CB
28. Devin Funchess - WR/TE
29. Arick Armstead - DE
30. Cameron Erving - OT/OG
31. Carl Davis - DT/DE
32. A J Cann - OG

That's twice as many and I could probably find another 16 before we would consider Green-Beckham. But if he's still there at 2-19 (pick 51), then we might take a flyer on him.

Give me Parker/Brown/Dawson/Flowers ahead of DGB talentwise off of this list.

 

[beerlover]

BPA= talent should trump all.

not necessarily. ability to develop into something more than it appears on the surface can trump talent on any given day. we see it on the field, its coaching, its desire/passion, work ethic & refusal to fail. watt is a great example here, Brady for Patriots, Russell Wilson for Seahawks etc. etc. it happens just have to look for the perfect storm

 

[steelbtexan]

not necessarily. ability to develop into something more than it appears on the surface can trump talent on any given day. we see it on the field, its coaching, its desire/passion, work ethic & refusal to fail. watt is a great example here, Brady for Patriots, Russell Wilson for Seahawks etc. etc. it happens just have to look for the perfect storm

You realize how rare stories like Watt/Wilson/Brady are?

Give me the talent above all else. The one caveat I have on this rule is the player cant be dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[beerlover]

You realize how rare stories like Watt/Wilson/Brady are?

Give me the talent above all else. The one caveat I have on this rule is the player cant be dumb as a box of rocks.

ok then, here is one for you this year. Jaquiski Tartt, Safety, Samford. 6-1 220

this years Jonathan Cyprien. Think Texans should take a look in 2nd?

 

[steelbtexan]

ok then, here is one for you this year. Jaquiski Tartt, Safety, Samford. 6-1 220

this years Jonathan Cyprien. Think Texans should take a look in 2nd?

I wouldn't have a problem at all with picking Tartt.

My Favorite safety in this draft is Prewitt. If he's there in the 2nd he would be my pick.

 

[beerlover]

I wouldn't have a problem at all with picking Tartt.

My Favorite safety in this draft is Prewitt. If he's there in the 2nd he would be my pick.

I know you would. My point is Tartt is more under the radar prospect, diamond in rough who can become a truly great player with high upside not just because of natural raw talent but the work ethic & underdog mentality to beat the small school/prospect odds. Both similar size, one comes from high profile SEC other Division I-FCS. Tartt appears to me anyway of having more fluid hips & recovery speed that are so important to blanket big receivers & TE's as opposed to highlight reel knockout hits (translate to flags). Still 277 total tackles, including 199 solo tackles. He also had six interceptions, 20 pass break-ups and 6.5 tackles for loss reflects the type of production Texans should covet.

 

[steelbtexan]

I know you would. My point is Tartt is more under the radar prospect, diamond in rough who can become a truly great player with high upside not just because of natural raw talent but the work ethic & underdog mentality to beat the small school/prospect odds. Both similar size, one comes from high profile SEC other Division I-FCS. Tartt appears to me anyway of having more fluid hips & recovery speed that are so important to blanket big receivers & TE's as opposed to highlight reel knockout hits (translate to flags). Still 277 total tackles, including 199 solo tackles. He also had six interceptions, 20 pass break-ups and 6.5 tackles for loss reflects the type of production Texans should covet.

I've watched some video of Tartt and the guy would immediately become the most physically gifted S on the team. He's a playmaker.

I wonder how long it would take him to adjust from small school guy to the NFL.

Does Jaxson Shipley remind you of Welker?