CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

[JB]

Hey why wasn’t we talking about this S2 stuff last year or the year before again?

It's up to CJ to prove the S2 ain't all that

 

[cuppacoffee]

I get what you're saying and even if they took he chance and weren't able to draft Williams/Maye. McCarthy/Sanders would've been on the board for them to pick. Point is a top 10 pick would've been good enough to draft a QB next yr, particularly having an extra 1st next yr. But Cal shockingly couldn't stay patient. SMH

There is no reason I can think of that precludes the team from drafting one of those QBs next year.
But I doubt it will be necessary.

Not drafting a QB this year would have been the equivalent of "kicking the can down the road".
Texan fans have been 'waiting until next year' since the inception of the team.

Casserio decided to "get off the pot". Some trust him, some don't. I choose to trust him. Time will tell.

 

[Texansballer74]

It's up to CJ to prove the S2 ain't all that

He’s already proven that’s a piece of crap. Go look at his play on the field.
Better yet let’s see how the HOF quarterback breaks down his play

 

[JB]

He’s already proven that’s a piece of crap. Go look at his play on the field.
Better yet let’s see how the HOF quarterback breaks down his play

He hasn't proven squat until he does it in the NFL

 

[Texazan]

Steelb can be funny like that.

He would say he wants a generational talent at QB, but in the next sentence he would say he hopes Mills can buck the trend so that the Texans would have one less thing to worry about.

On the one hand, he will say "don't settle for a mediocre QB", it will set your team back many years.

On the other hand, he continues to say that having Mills turn out to be a stud would be great.

Of course, it would.
But he didn't even realized that he was promoting a proposition that he's always been against.

Mediocrity.

Spot on.

At this point it's safe to say he's trolling the entire board. Fine by me. If you're devoid of useful opinion due to an irrational grieveance then have at it. I'm no longer getting caught up in that. Moving on.

 

[steelbtexan]

There is no reason I can think of that precludes the team from drafting one of those QBs next year.
But I doubt it will be necessary.

Not drafting a QB this year would have been the equivalent of "kicking the can down the road".
Texan fans have been 'waiting until next year' since the inception of the team.

Casserio decided to "get off the pot". Some trust him, some don't. I choose to trust him. Time will tell.

I trust Caserio, this was a Cal decision and I don't trust Cal's motives at all. But hey, it's his team and if this doesn't work I could see the McNair family selling the team, which would be worth the price of mediocrity for a few years.

Patience is usually the correct path. Sad thing is they could have built a dynasty and now all of the Derrick trade is gone and they're just going to eventually be another good team with the stadium full.

 

[steelbtexan]

Steelb can be funny like that.

He would say he wants a generational talent at QB, but in the next sentence he would say he hopes Mills can buck the trend so that the Texans would have one less thing to worry about.

On the one hand, he will say "don't settle for a mediocre QB", it will set your team back many years.

On the other hand, he continues to say that having Mills turn out to be a stud would be great.

Of course, it would.
But he didn't even realized that he was promoting a proposition that he's always been against.

Mediocrity.

What I said was his rookie yr Mills was the 2nd best QB in his class. Last year he really didn't get a fair chance and I'm good with moving on from him but not for a QB in this class because while Stroud isn't a bad QB, he's not a championship level QB. Better to wait than be stuck in purgatory.

 

[DBCooper]

I trust Caserio, this was a Cal decision and I don't trust Cal's motives at all. But hey, it's his team and if this doesn't work I could see the McNair family selling the team, which would be worth the price of mediocrity for a few years.

Patience is usually the correct path. Sad thing is they could have built a dynasty and now all of the Derrick trade is gone and they're just going to eventually be another good team with the stadium full.

How is this a Cal decision amigo?

We need a good QB to compete in this league, you’ve even gone as far to say we need a top 5 QB to win it all.

I see Caserio and DeMeco identifying what they need to compete right now and making it happen. Winning puts butts in seats. Anyway CJ is unproven, not a superstar in college, no connection to Houston, how would that put butts in seats for Cal?

This was a football decision.

 

[steelbtexan]

Spot on.

At this point it's safe to say he's trolling the entire board. Fine by me. If you're devoid of useful opinion due to an irrational grieveance then have at it. I'm no longer getting caught up in that. Moving on.

I have an opinion that happens to be different on the McNair's motives which are based on history and on Stroud and his ability to be a championship level QB. My opinion happens to be different than yours. There's no trolling or grievances involved. Just differing opinions.

My point is next season I want Stroud to be held to the same standards Mills was held too, if not a higher standard because Stroud has more ability and better weapons to work with than Mills ever thought about having.

 

[Lucky]

My point is next season I want Stroud to be held to the same standards Mills was held too, if not a higher standard because Stroud has more ability and better weapons to work with than Mills ever thought about having.

I expect that if Stroud is the 32nd ranked QB next year, he will find himself holding a clipboard on the sidelines. As Mills did.

 

[steelbtexan]

How is this a Cal decision amigo?

We need a good QB to compete in this league, you’ve even gone as far to say we need a top 5 QB to win it all.

I see Caserio and DeMeco identifying what they need to compete right now and making it happen. Winning puts butts in seats. Anyway CJ is unproven, not a superstar in college, no connection to Houston, how would that put butts in seats for Cal?

This was a football decision.

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

 

[steelbtexan]

I expect that if Stroud is the 32nd ranked QB next year, he will find himself holding a clipboard on the sidelines. As Mills did.

He shouldn't be the 32nd ranked QB after they improved the ol and the weapons around him. I'm just hoping that they didn't gift the Cards a top 10 pick.

 

[DBCooper]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

Still won’t put butts in seats until we start winning.

And winning is what we all want.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Did I mention that I am pizzed at Casserio for letting LAC steal my QB.

Will be the next Brady. Mark it down said so.

 

[Lucky]

Still won’t put butts in seats until we start winning.

And winning is what we all want.

I think there will be more excitement for the Texans, initially. New coach, new QB, new players. But for that to sustain, wins have to be a big part of that equation.

 

[The1ApplePie]

What’s the goal next year? Win the division? Do you think CJ gives us the best chance to win?

Can you think of any good reason to let him sit for a year?

If the Texans decide to start Case, what do you imagine would be the reason?

The goal next year is to develop all of your young talent, win as many games as you can. Getting all you young guys to gel for this season and the future, see what you have. They could steal the division possibly. The Jags are the best team on paper, but like I said in another thread, they tend to explode after having a good year. Every AFC South team is a bunch of young guys with some veteran pieces, so it really depends on who's young guys reach their potential first.

 

[The1ApplePie]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

So it was a Cal thing because of something 20 years ago? QB was always going to be the pick at 2, an either Young or Stroud at that. According to DeMeco (who could be lying, of course), they were going to pick CJ without Cal's knowledge.

You aren't getting one of the hottest coaching candidates by forcing him to roll with Mills, the worst starting QB in the NFL. Again, if you wanted to suck for another year, you keep Lovie.

 

[Earl34]

Spot on.

At this point it's safe to say he's trolling the entire board. Fine by me. If you're devoid of useful opinion due to an irrational grieveance then have at it. I'm no longer getting caught up in that. Moving on.

Bingo. It's not a discussion. It's irrational grievances, mixed with a strong dislike of a draft pick and nothing will change that opinion. I'm going to drop out of this conversation. However, before I leave, here is a PSA to what is at the bottom of the rabbit hole that is being dug. I expect a similar post about Shroud in 3 or 4 years.

I did because I thought it would give the Texans their best chance to win a SB. In fact I wanted them to draft another QB with the same style, so the transition would be easier when Derrick got hurt. They weren't ever going to win a championship with Derrick running a conventional offense.

Of course it wouldn't have hurt my feelings to see Derrick get hurt either.

My work is done. After all these years, you finally admit it. Now, wasn't that cathartic? I knew that all along and also include the WR target narrative as a setup expecting him to fail without his blankey.

Now that Derrick is one of the most hateful, despicable public figures in Houston history, you don't have to hide behind flimsy narratives. You can call him dumb and wish for him to get hurt without any complaints, pushbacks, posters defending him or bashing you. Doesn't it feel great?

 

[santo]

So it was a Cal thing because of something 20 years ago? QB was always going to be the pick at 2, an either Young or Stroud at that. According to DeMeco (who could be lying, of course), they were going to pick CJ without Cal's knowledge.

You aren't getting one of the hottest coaching candidates by forcing him to roll with Mills, the worst starting QB in the NFL. Again, if you wanted to suck for another year, you keep Lovie.

I don’t think they wanted to suck with Lovie, but he couldn’t win any games. If they wanted a qb in 2024 they would have kept Culley, but he actually won more games than Lovie so that wouldn’t have worked. lol

DeMeco didn’t take the job to tank or start the season with Mills, that’s for sure.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

Catching a lot of flack steel?

About what you posted above ^. I am surprised that you gave any credence to message board rumors.

I've noticed over the years that you are your own man and make up your own mind what you believe.

Hang in there.

 

[Rpgczar]

Colts fan here I think you got the safest pick between us and the titans. Plus if stroud can continue to be accurate like he was in college you will definitely have the best qb. Stroud's upside is Joe burrow in my opinion.

 

[michaelm]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

This could be just a smoke screen. Feel free to cite your sources on Stroud being an ownership decision

Ryans and Caserio kept the decision under strict lock and key. Not even owner Cal McNair knew that Stroud, the Ohio State quarterback, would be the No. 2 pick.

Texans coach Demeco Ryans reveals why no one knew what Houston was going to do at No. 2

Texans coach Demeco Ryans reveals why no one knew what Houston was going to do with the No. 2 overall pick

news.yahoo.com

 

[cuppacoffee]

I don’t think they wanted to suck with Lovie, but he couldn’t win any games. If they wanted a qb in 2024 they would have kept Culley, but he actually won more games than Lovie so that wouldn’t have worked. lol

DeMeco didn’t take the job to tank or start the season with Mills, that’s for sure. that's my opinion.

Fixed.

I suppose ambition and money had more to do with it.

 

[Texansballer74]

He hasn't proven squat until he does it in the NFL

Yes he Fhe has. Again wtf this wasn’t the got darn criteria last season? Y’all kill me with this silly stuff.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Colts fan here I think you got the safest pick between us and the titans. Plus if stroud can continue to be accurate like he was in college you will definitely have the best qb. Stroud's upside is Joe burrow in my opinion.

Welcome to the board, but you guys still owe us an insane psycho-karmic debt for all the beat-downs we had to take at the hands of Manning and Luck.

There were several guys over here stumping for Richardson over Stroud. There could be epic battles in our future.

 

[steelbtexan]

This could be just a smoke screen. Feel free to cite your sources on Stroud being an ownership decision

I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but Cal did exactly what his dad did with Carr.

 

[DocBar]

Agreed, but those are just my opinion which could be totally wrong.
But I did even say I can see an avenue in my evaluation of them where they could be top tier players at their respective positions.

I personally would’ve targeted Richardson just because of all the tools and despite his numbers I saw good things on film that I believe in the right situation can be developed

But Stroud I think has the best overall arm talent the draft all things considered…placement, velocity, touch and accuracy. Not the creator Young is, but he’s not a statue. Not the physical freak or stature of Richardson but not a potato either. He was a safe top pick I think.

Basically, I think if they get the rest of the roster right stroud can be like a Troy Aikman which I’m ok with as a top draft pick.

Good Lord, please be better than Troy Aikman, Stroud!! SB trophies and surrounding talent made Aikman a HoFer, not his talent level.
Troy Aikman Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

With the system Slowik is installing, Stroud should be a perfect fit. I could see Stroud having a very successful career in that system. With the system Ryans/Burke are installing, I expect the Texans to be competitive in '23 & '24 and in the playoffs in '25.
That gives Caserio and Ryans two more drafts to get this roster in shape. I like the direction the team is headed in.

 

[michaelm]

I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but Cal did exactly what his dad did with Carr.

I'm open minded.
If you could present anything other than your assumptions, based on literally anything other than your dislike for a player because of who he chose as his agent, I'd be willing to listen.

 

[JB]

Better to wait than be stuck in purgatory.

Isn't waiting condemning you to purgatory for at least a year longer?

 

[JB]

Yes he Fhe has. Again wtf this wasn’t the got darn criteria last season? Y’all kill me with this silly stuff.

What has he done in the NFL? College stars fail in the NFL every year. I don't think Stroud will, but I don't KNOW that.

 

[steelbtexan]

Isn't waiting condemning you to purgatory for at least a year longer?

It's not doing anything to me.

I've moved on.

It was interesting listening to 97.5 today. They agreed with me that the Stroud pick was a financial move. Even if Stroud has success, I don't like how Cal runs this franchise anymore than I liked how his dad ran the franchise.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm open minded.
If you could present anything other than your assumptions, based on literally anything other than your dislike for a player because of who he chose as his agent, I'd be willing to listen.

The guys on 97.5 agreed with me that the QB pick was a financial move. I doubt that meets your criteria, because Cal, Caserio, Ryans didn't say it.

 

[Speedy]

He’s already proven that’s a piece of crap. Go look at his play on the field.
Better yet let’s see how the HOF quarterback breaks down his play

Come on, man. I like Stroud but let's not act there's never been QBs who look great in college and never amount to squat in the NFL. Like you're always telling everyone, let's let the man play first.

 

[michaelm]

The guys on 97.5 agreed with me that the QB pick was a financial move. I doubt that meets your criteria, because Cal, Caserio, Ryans didn't say it.

Interesting, this is the first I've heard anyone in media have that opinion.
Which guys said that? I'd be interested in hearing what they said.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

The rumor was people making **** up because they had NO CLUE about what the Texans were thinking. Speculation was based on the disinformation campaign to get Stroud to drop by the COLTS and TITANS. You don't know what Cal wanted. All that noises...was just that...noise.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

The guys on 97.5 agreed with me that the QB pick was a financial move. I doubt that meets your criteria, because Cal, Caserio, Ryans didn't say it.

And they know this how? Again, pulling **** out of their asses...trying to make it fact based on no hard information. Caserio and Ryans didn't talk to Lance or John. They don't know ****.

 

[steelbtexan]

Interesting, this is the first I've heard anyone in media have that opinion.
Which guys said that? I'd be interested in hearing what they said.

The guys that are on at 2pm.

 

[steelbtexan]

And they know this how? Again, pulling **** out of their asses...trying to make it fact based on no hard information. Caserio and Ryans didn't talk to Lance or John. They don't know ****.

So like I said only Cal/Caserio/Ryans saying this will satisfy you. That's never going to happen.

 

[Texansballer74]

Come on, man. I like Stroud but let's not act there's never been QBs who look great in college and never amount to squat in the NFL. Like you're always telling everyone, let's let the man play first.

That is no what I’m saying. People are shitting on the dude because of his freaking agent . Joker posting this S2 crap like it’s a indictment on how he played or will play. Talking about he needs to learn when to shut up. Oh he’s a piece of crap because he’s of Vick, Watson and Burrow’s game. Wait they never mention him being a fan of Burrow.
So you Come on Man. I know every freaking player has flaws. I’m not going to sit on here and crap on them all because they wasn’t the player I wanted. Shoot at least let them get on the field first before crapping on them.

 

[DocBar]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

We have no idea who wanted Stroud. We do know that Caserio and Ryans kept their draft selections close to the vest so that there wouldn't be leaks. That tell me that every rumor leading up to the draft was manufactured to get clicks. Nothing more. "Rumor has it" means someone made something up this year, regarding the Texans draft.

 

[DocBar]

The guys on 97.5 agreed with me that the QB pick was a financial move. I doubt that meets your criteria, because Cal, Caserio, Ryans didn't say it.

How on earth is drafting Stroud a financial move? For the 5th year option? To not have to pay a veteran?
To not move up to take Young?
I'll take CJS and WAJ over just BY.
Regardless of our opinions, we'll all find out how the draft played out over the next 3 years.

 

[steelbtexan]

How on earth is drafting Stroud a financial move? For the 5th year option? To not have to pay a veteran?
To not move up to take Young?
I'll take CJS and WAJ over just BY.
Regardless of our opinions, we'll all find out how the draft played out over the next 3 years.

I'm certainly not going to change your mind, but drafting Stroud will put butts in the seats, instead of drafting say 1-2 Anderson and trading up to 1-9 from 1-12 and drafting say, Carter and having the best 2 defensive guys in this draft on your team. Then drafting a QB in 2024 because you haven't burned through the Derrick draft picks like a drunken sailor. (I just used Carter as an example, so guys like JB dont say Carter is a turd and I would never draft him.)

Fact is everytime I here Stroud speak, I just shake my head. Did you know Day calls all of the audibles for the Ohio St. offense? I figure you do since you live in Ohio. Stroud has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb according to his test scores. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's a football savant like he claims to be. My experience in life is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he ain't that smart.

 

[steelbtexan]

delete

 

[steelbtexan]

That is no what I’m saying. People are shitting on the dude because of his freaking agent . Joker posting this S2 crap like it’s a indictment on how he played or will play. Talking about he needs to learn when to shut up. Oh he’s a piece of crap because he’s of Vick, Watson and Burrow’s game. Wait they never mention him being a fan of Burrow.
So you Come on Man. I know every freaking player has flaws. I’m not going to sit on here and crap on them all because they wasn’t the player I wanted. Shoot at least let them get on the field first before crapping on them.

So what is the appropriate response according to you?

Especially when it's clear as day that the young man makes bad choices in the people he hangs with?

 

[Mr.Scarface]

So like I said only Cal/Caserio/Ryans saying this will satisfy you. That's never going to happen.

Schefter and Rapport ADMITTED they had no clue what the Texans were going to do. Caserio and Ryans said there were no leaks because they didn't tell anyone.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

I'm certainly not going to change your mind, but drafting Stroud will put butts in the seats, instead of drafting say 1-2 Anderson and trading up to 1-9 from 1-12 and drafting say, Carter and having the best 2 defensive guys in this draft on your team. Then drafting a QB in 2024 because you haven't burned through the Derrick draft picks like a drunken sailor. (I just used Carter as an example, so guys like JB dont say Carter is a turd and I would never draft him.)

Fact is everytime I here Stroud speak, I just shake my head. Did you know Day calls all of the audibles for the Ohio St. offense? I figure you do since you live in Ohio. Stroud has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb according to his test scores. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's a football savant like he claims to be. My experience in life is if a guy has to tell you how smart he is, he ain't that smart.

The problem is you were going to have to use ALOT to get into the top 3 next season because of Caleb Williams. Plus, I don't think the Texans are picking in the top 10 with Carter and Anderson. So, you would be giving up probably a 2025 1st and 2nd along with other capital. Bird in the hand.

 

[BattleRedBlud]

People are shitting on the dude because of his freaking agent .

Only partially true.
Yes the agent is an issue, I can't stand Mulugheta myself. Good thing is I don't have to deal with him.
Most folks on this board are excited about Stroud.
Some are hesitant to believe in him.
Some don't think he is the QB to carry us into a Championship title.
And a handful just don't want you to be happy with your team because their opinion is laughable.

Tune it out (not easy I know) and just enjoy the team for what it currently is what it can be soon.

 

[Texansballer74]

Ownership made this decision, just like they did with Carr. Nothing has changed down on Kirby in this regard. Cal wanted a QB and Stroud is the QB they settled on. Rumor before the draft was the Texans FO was split on this QB class. Who do you think made the final decision? I don't think they will be bad with Stroud, but I think he won't bring a championship to Kirby.

You say this is your opinion but the way you’re acting as if it’s a fact. Did Cal tell you it was his decision because what he said was, “ he let the football guys make football decisions. ( paraphrasing)

Did you even listen to the presser?

 

[sometexansfan]

So what is the appropriate response according to you?

Especially when it's clear as day that the young man makes bad choices in the people he hangs with?

Who would those people be exactly?

 

[Texansballer74]

Only partially true.
Yes the agent is an issue, I can't stand Mulugheta myself. Good thing is I don't have to deal with him.
Most folks on this board are excited about Stroud.
Some are hesitant to believe in him.
Some don't think he is the QB to carry us into a Championship title.
And a handful just don't want you to be happy with your team because their opinion is laughable.

Tune it out (not easy I know) and just enjoy the team for what it currently is what it can be soon.

The agents job is to do what his client wants. After the hiring of Caserio and the private meeting he had with Cal. Watson demanded a trade. David honored his client wishes. So how is he the problem?