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Carson Wentz, My #1 QB going into 2015 college season

I wouldn't be mad if we took him with the 31st pick (Pats don't have a #1) and let him sit for a year to learn the system.
 
PapaL said:
I wouldn't be mad if we took him with the 31st pick (Pats don't have a #1) and let him sit for a year to learn the system.
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Based on what I have seen in this game, although it's limited and against inferior competition, I would be ok with us taking him in the 1st round. I have no idea if he's worth it, but I like what I see.
 
PapaL said:
I wouldn't be mad if we took him with the 31st pick (Pats don't have a #1) and let him sit for a year to learn the system.
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I would be mad if we waited till the 31st pick to move on him as I don't think he gets that far.
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 3h3 hours ago

North Dakota State QB Wentz 8 of 11 for a TD in 1st quarter. He just ran for a TD early in 2nd quarter. NDSU leads 17-0 in FCS title game.

Wentz made 6 of his completions in 1st quarter throwing into a strong wind.

I think the city of Bismarck, N.D., Wentz's hometown, will have a lot to be proud of come May 1, day after #NFLDraft concludes.

Carson Wentz played an unbelievably good game today in the FCS title game. He really helped himself w/ his performance.
 
[URL='https://twitter.com/MikeMayock']Mayock: Carson Wentz in conversation to be first QB drafted
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000619814/article/mayock-carson-wentz-in-conversation-to-be-first-qb-drafted


Mike Mayock ‏@MikeMayock 7h7 hours ago
I'm saying he's in the conversation to be the 1st qb taken...if he checks all the intangible boxes- watch out !
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Mike Mayock ‏@MikeMayock 8h8 hours ago
Mike Mayock Retweeted
DJ- he's totally legit... In the conversation with goff, lynch and cook...arm talent, accuracy , size and athletic https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/685874994270748673…

NFLDraftScout.com
2016 NFL Draft: NDSU QB Carson Wentz proves he's first-round worthy
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...dsu-qb-carson-wentz-more-than-passes-eye-test

Tony Romo's heir? Sabin: Why Cowboys, other NFL teams are eyeing North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ams-eyeing-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz
Vs Jacksonville State.
16 Comp 29 ATT 197 YDs 6.8 YPA 1 TD 2INT
9 Carries 79 YDs 8.8 YPC 2 TDs 29Long
 
Texian said:
Mayock: Carson Wentz in conversation to be first QB drafted
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000619814/article/mayock-carson-wentz-in-conversation-to-be-first-qb-drafted


Mike Mayock ‏@MikeMayock 7h7 hours ago
I'm saying he's in the conversation to be the 1st qb taken...if he checks all the intangible boxes- watch out !


Mike Mayock ‏@MikeMayock 8h8 hours ago
Mike Mayock Retweeted
DJ- he's totally legit... In the conversation with goff, lynch and cook...arm talent, accuracy , size and athletic https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/685874994270748673…

NFLDraftScout.com
2016 NFL Draft: NDSU QB Carson Wentz proves he's first-round worthy
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...dsu-qb-carson-wentz-more-than-passes-eye-test

Tony Romo's heir? Sabin: Why Cowboys, other NFL teams are eyeing North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ams-eyeing-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz
Vs Jacksonville State.
16 Comp 29 ATT 197 YDs 6.8 YPA 1 TD 2INT
9 Carries 79 YDs 8.8 YPC 2 TDs 29Long
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I'll be pissed if the "cowpatties" get Goff, Lynch, or Wentz but I realize they are bound to get one of them with the 4th pick! Guess the only hope that at least one of them falls to us is for some teams that need a QB to go after RG3, Manziel, or Kaepernick in the off season. But, there's a good chance all 3 and maybe even Cook will be gone by the time we pick at #21 or #22. I really like Wentz and by the time it is all said and done he could be the one that ends up being the top QB taken.
 
ObsiWan said:
And they played against who? Do you even know where Jacksonville St. is?
Wake me up when he plays in the senior bowl or something.
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Charlie Casserly is that you?

Guess why Texans passed on Ben Roethlisberger because he played for Miami of Ohio & never played anybody.

OR
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Hello Rick Smith is that you?

You have Joe Flacco there for the taking but trade his rights to Baltimore, believing playing @ Delaware he never played anybody therefore lacked NFL pedigree.

Division 1 FCS isn't as sexy as SEC that's for sure but if you can't evaluate talent, scoure the country for a franchise QB, you could be missing out on next one up.

Learn from your own (McNair) brief, pathetic history of mistakes judging QB position. Texan Fans deserve a QB who can lead & inspire a franchise & your not getting any younger or wiser if you don't!
 
beerlover said:
Charlie Casserly is that you?

Guess why Texans passed on Ben Roethlisberger because he played for Miami of Ohio & never played anybody.

OR
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Hello Rick Smith is that you?

You have Joe Flacco there for the taking but trade his rights to Baltimore, believing playing @ Delaware he never played anybody therefore lacked NFL pedigree.

Division 1 FCS isn't as sexy as SEC that's for sure but if you can't evaluate talent, scoure the country for a franchise QB, you could be missing out on next one up.

Learn from your own (McNair) brief, pathetic history of mistakes judging QB position. Texan Fans deserve a QB who can lead & inspire a franchise & your not getting any younger or wiser if you don't!
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I thought they passed on Big Ben because they already had their golden boy QB . That was 04 and in 05 they passed on Discount Double Check for the same reason . Oh but them Carr's were good people .

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Honoring Earl 34 said:
I thought they passed on Big Ben because they already had their golden boy QB . That was 04 and in 05 they passed on Discount Double Check for the same reason . Oh but them Carr's were good people .

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Thanks for saving me the keystrokes.
And, for the record, I have nothing against small school QBs. One of my favorites, Steve McNair, is from tiny Alcorn St.
 
ObsiWan said:
And they played against who? Do you even know where Jacksonville St. is?
Wake me up when he plays in the senior bowl or something.
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I understand the competition argument, but if you cannot or will not project, it doesn't mean others can't or won't.

You can see Lebron on a playground and not know who he is and some would say that guy has NBA talent. Some would say no, and some would say "wake me up when he plays better competition".

But I think people here thirst for actual analysis because "I'll wait until I see" it isn't really a discussion point in a thread like this.

Do you have any actual opinions about Wentz?

Yes, you have to project a bit further than someone that plays on a higher level of football, but it's all still projection.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I understand the competition argument, but if you cannot or will not project, it doesn't mean others can't or won't.

You can see Lebron on a playground and not know who he is and some would say that guy has NBA talent. Some would say no, and some would say "wake me up when he plays better competition".

But I think people here thirst for actual analysis because "I'll wait until I see" it isn't really a discussion point in a thread like this.

Do you have any actual opinions about Wentz?

Yes, you have to project a bit further than someone that plays on a higher level of football, but it's all still projection.
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Wentz has the size and the arm strength folks like to see in an NFL QB. And I readily admit I haven't seen much of him. What I saw was the little I watched of the NDSU game this past weekend. And he looked pretty good.
My point was that their opponent was pretty much overmatched across the board. So it's tough, for me anyway, to project what he would do at the next level. Hell, for all I know he could be the next Steve McNair.
All that to say I need more data. Was he invited to the Senior Bowl or East-West Game? Maybe games like that will give me, all of us, a better look at what he can do.
 
ObsiWan said:
Wentz has the size and the arm strength folks like to see in an NFL QB. And I readily admit I haven't seen much of him. What I saw was the little I watched of the NDSU game this past weekend. And he looked pretty good.
My point was that their opponent was pretty much overmatched across the board. So it's tough, for me anyway, to project what he would do at the next level. Hell, for all I know he could be the next Steve McNair.
All that to say I need more data. Was he invited to the Senior Bowl or East-West Game? Maybe games like that will give me, all of us, a better look at what he can do.
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Watch the 2014 playoff games: http://draftbreakdown.com/players/carson-wentz/
 
What would you give up to get him?

We know where we'll be picking now. You have an idea of where he's going to go. Are you willing to give up what it's going to take to get him?
 
thunderkyss said:
What would you give up to get him?

We know where we'll be picking now. You have an idea of where he's going to go. Are you willing to give up what it's going to take to get him?
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At this present time, nothing. I am not really sure how I feel about Wentz.
 
I'd move up 3 to 4 places, for the simple fact of I'm tired of teams jumping right in front of us when we're in position to draft an offensive talent to help us out in the first round (or first pick in the second).
 
:swatter::swatter:
Brandon420tx said:
I'd move up 3 to 4 places, for the simple fact of I'm tired of teams jumping right in front of us when we're in position to draft an offensive talent to help us out in the first round (or first pick in the second).
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Notice they get proactive after the fact? Last year they moved higher twice (2nd & 3rd round) so maybe this will be the year they do it in the first. Anybody remember the only other time they did that & how well that turned out? First one gets a rep :swatter:
 
beerlover said:
:swatter::swatter:

Notice they get proactive after the fact? Last year they moved higher twice (2nd & 3rd round) so maybe this will be the year they do it in the first. Anybody remember the only other time they did that & how well that turned out? First one gets a rep :swatter:
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When they traded back into the first to get Babin?
 
beerlover said:
:swatter::swatter:

Notice they get proactive after the fact? Last year they moved higher twice (2nd & 3rd round) so maybe this will be the year they do it in the first. Anybody remember the only other time they did that & how well that turned out? First one gets a rep :swatter:
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Jason Babin in the worst trade ever?
 
Based on the Championship game and Wentz starting and playing the entire game, I'm convinced that his wrist is fine and is now, at this stage in the process, my #1 QB in this year's draft.
 
Texian said:
Draft Breakdown Retweeted
Matheus Milanez ‏@biffmila 24m24 minutes ago

NEW at @draftbreakdown: QB Carson Wentz (North Dakota State) vs Jacksonville State (2015) http://draftbreakdown.com/video/carson-wentz-vs-jacksonville-state-2015/…
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That's the first time I've seen any of his play. I could get behind that. Seems fairly accurate with a quick release. And for those that knock him for the competition he played against, it's not like he had a bunch of draftable players on his team helping him out
 
Texian said:
Based on the Championship game and Wentz starting and playing the entire game, I'm convinced that his wrist is fine and is now, at this stage in the process, my #1 QB in this year's draft.
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I'm interested to see how he performs at SB away from NDSU. That place somehow just breeds success. This will be a good crop of SB QB's this year. Best in a while I think.

Brandon Allen
Jacoby Brissett
Jake Coker
Jeff Driskel
Kevin Hogan
Cody Kessler
Dak Prescott
Carson Wentz

If he stands out above that crowd then his stock might start to soar.
 
WolverineFan said:
I'm interested to see how he performs at SB away from NDSU. That place somehow just breeds success. This will be a good crop of SB QB's this year. Best in a while I think.

Brandon Allen
Jacoby Brissett
Jake Coker
Jeff Driskel
Kevin Hogan
Cody Kessler
Dak Prescott
Carson Wentz

If he stands out above that crowd then his stock might start to soar.
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That will be a huge determining factor. I like the kid and in another thread said i have him at 1.a while goff is 1.b, but he has to perform at the SB. Its not like NDSU really missed a beat when he was out. While he wasnt playing with NFL caliber talent, his team for the most part was by far and away the better team all around when they stepped on the field for most games
 
Comparable peak: Joe Flacco

Recent comparable prospect: Jake Locker

Overall: Of all of the high-end projects in this class, I think Carson Wentz is the one who is the furthest away. He not only has to adjust to the speed of the NFL from college football, but he's not doing it from a baseline speed of Power Five schools, like Jared Goff and Connor Cook are, or even a mid-major, like Paxton Lynch is, but instead from the FCS level.

Wentz is a pretty big boom-bust prospect at this point. Even then, his peak is to be a quality NFL starter, not a "franchise quarterback." If he doesn't land with the right mentor, his career will not turn out the way anyone has it planned. You don't draft him and hope to figure out a path to success later. You need a map of how you're getting him on the field in two years in your hand when you turn in his card in Chicago. He already broke his wrist and missed two-and-a-half months this season. His timing needs a boost, and sooner rather than later.

Link

Yeah, it's from the Bleacher Report, but it's another point of view.
 
DocBar said:
Comparable peak: Joe Flacco

Recent comparable prospect: Jake Locker

Overall: Of all of the high-end projects in this class, I think Carson Wentz is the one who is the furthest away. He not only has to adjust to the speed of the NFL from college football, but he's not doing it from a baseline speed of Power Five schools, like Jared Goff and Connor Cook are, or even a mid-major, like Paxton Lynch is, but instead from the FCS level.

Wentz is a pretty big boom-bust prospect at this point. Even then, his peak is to be a quality NFL starter, not a "franchise quarterback." If he doesn't land with the right mentor, his career will not turn out the way anyone has it planned. You don't draft him and hope to figure out a path to success later. You need a map of how you're getting him on the field in two years in your hand when you turn in his card in Chicago. He already broke his wrist and missed two-and-a-half months this season. His timing needs a boost, and sooner rather than later.

Link

Yeah, it's from the Bleacher Report, but it's another point of view.
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Justis looks like a very fine bright young man who could still be in high school and has never been on a football field. If Mike Mayock thinks Wentz could be the first QB drafted, who you going with? Mike or Justis?

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Texian said:
Justis looks like a very fine bright young man who could still be in high school and has never been on a football field. If Mike Mayock thinks Wentz could be the first QB drafted, who you going with? Mike or Justis?

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I also do not quite understand why everyone wants to say Wentz compares to Flacco. I guess because they both played in FCS? Wentz is way more athletic then Flacco
 
I didn't say I agreed with either. Just putting info out there.


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Texian said:
Justis looks like a very fine bright young man who could still be in high school and has never been on a football field. If Mike Mayock thinks Wentz could be the first QB drafted, who you going with? Mike or Justis?

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Did he say anything untrue?

Comparing him to Jake Locker... I thought Locker's issue was that he couldn't stay healthy & that pretty much screwed up his development.

The thing about having to adjust to the NFL, I think it's a little overstated, but it is an issue. Many players, like Flacco & Ben have overcome that.

& it's not a bad idea to have a plan for how you're going to get your "franchise" QB ready for the NFL.
 
Texian said:
Based on the Championship game and Wentz starting and playing the entire game, I'm convinced that his wrist is fine and is now, at this stage in the process, my #1 QB in this year's draft.
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I am not overly high on Wentz. Not convinced he is a pocket passer, reminds me of Kaepernick a bit in when things break down some he immediately wants to run. Not sure if he lacks ability to progress through reads or if he is just slow at it, either way its a problem. I think he has some bad habits that will take a while to correct, if they can be corrected. He will be a guy who will climb the charts because he looks good in shorts. Hopefully the Browns draft him lol
 
Very happy for Wentz just on a human level for his getting recognized right now, just as I'd be happy to hear about any kid working his way up. But f*ck if it doesn't sting as a fan to have him wiggle his way up and out of range for us to go get. We draft fist overall and there's no real standout 1.1-worthy QB to hitch the franchise to, we draft 22 and the guy I think would be terrific at that spot goes and works his way possibly into the top 10.

Frusf*ck*ngstrating.
 
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